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Author Topic: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods  (Read 220259 times)

Offline supermuble

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Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« on: November 19, 2008, 09:48:27 PM »
I would like to start this thread to discuss ways of nullifying the effect of Lenz law.

Most of the free energy motors bypass Lenz law, therefore they can produce more energy than conventional science says is possible. If you remove Lenz law, so much electricity can be made from a generator that it can be made into a closed loop system that is "self powering."

For those of you who don't know what Lenz law is:

Lenz law states that the magnetic fields in a coil of wire will always be formed in opposition to the magnetic field that created it, therefore it always takes more magnetic force to induce more current in a coil of wire. Lenz law basically says that you are ALWAYS GOING TO LOSE ENERGY when you induce current into an inductor (coil).

We do not need to cancel this law (render it invalid), we just need to discuss ways of canceling the negative effect it has on our motors and generators.

Please share examples, patents, pictures, videos and any other information showing how to remove Lenz law !

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1203/lenzslawfe6.jpg)



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« on: November 19, 2008, 09:48:27 PM »

Offline Nali2001

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2008, 02:19:45 AM »
Lindemann wrote in another forum:
Regarding the works of Jim Murray and his dyna flux generator:
Jim Murray video about his life/works: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6761827664845630969&hl=en
And his generator Patent: http://www.google.com/patents?id=qog8AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=4780632


Thank you for your kind and insightful remarks. With regard to your post about the Jim Murray Generator design, I have known Jim Murray for 20 years and we published this patent in Borderland Magazine back in the 1980's. All of the people I worked with in Santa Barbara, including Mike Knox, Eric Dollard, and Chris Carson, met with Jim Murray a number of times after I moved away in 1992. Jim and Eric subsequently solved the solid-state method for converting reactive power back to real power using Jim's methods applied to Eric's FOUR QUADRANT THEORY of electric waves. All of these things you mention have already been accomplished.

While Jim has built working models of this generator, getting all of the electrical and physical resonances in phase is tricky. The machine does NOT exhibit drag free operation until these conditions are all balanced and synchronized. Still and all, it does PROVE that electric motors and generators are NOT converting mechanical energy into electrical energy. The First Law of Thermodynamics does not apply to properly built motors and generators. For those of us who know the truth, this is not a problem.

As you have correctly stated, there is little purpose showing more precise theory in a forum like this when the model building difficulty only gets worse than what has already been shown. I will tell you plainly, however, that the CONSTANT RELUCTANCE MOTOR is the ticket and special geometries are the method of accomplishment. When the reluctance does not change at all during the power stroke, then the inductance of the circuit remains relatively constant as well. This allows for the design of a true, constant speed, synchronous motor that produces maximum mechanical power on 95% reactive power and about 5% real power. This allows a COP=20 operation as technically feasible.


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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2008, 07:32:18 AM »
Good Jim Murry video! I watched the whole thing. Steven Greer is the most courageous person there is on Earth, and Jim Murray is helping the right guy, that's for sure. That was an amazing story. Thanks Nali2001!

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Offline capthook

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2008, 09:12:12 AM »
Overcoming Lenz’s Law would be a huge benefit and it’s almost hard to believe that after all these years and the technologies of the day and age it hasn’t been conquered.

I have had an interest in this subject, and here is some information I have gathered in the past.  I haven’t  tested any of these ideas, but maybe someone here can make better use of this information than I have thus far.

1.   Lenz Free Coils:  Several proposed coils designs to negate Lenz  http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields8.htm

   Fields 8-10 discusses the proposed designs.  I would be interested on comments    from others on these!

2.   Coil/core cogging minimizing coil arrangement: Muller design (1st picture)
   When 1 coil is pulling back, another is pulling forward, equalizing the cogging    forces. (not Lenz cancelling, but helpful with iron cored coils - at the expense of rectifiying each coil individually)

3.   Lenz minimizing coil design: Muller design (2nd picture)
   More of the power is generated further back from the magnets.

4.   No-load (Lenz free) generator U.S. Patent: 6,208,061 (http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search  and enter patent #)


EDIT: corrected patent # in line 4


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Offline gyulasun

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 04:26:18 PM »
The best anti - lentz motor....It works great:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-energy/files/anti-lenz/stanley_anti_lenz.gif

http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/garry2coils.html

http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=510

http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/pugh.html 


Hi Wings,

I do not know if you built Garry's anti-Lenz motor but Stefan modified his comments written on his own drawing you attached ? Here is his comments on his ex free-energy yahoo group (where his drawing also was uploaded), message #2506

Hi All, after rechecking again my cables it seems that I made one mistake in connecting the coils.
Now after remeasuring the coils as shown in the diagramm, the induction voltage from the magnet adds up,instead of canceling, so after rethinking about it, I came to find the error: I used 2 equally wound coils. That is wrong !
Now if you look from behind each coil into the direction airgap it is clear, that one coil has to be left-turn wound and the other
coil has to be right-turn wound !
This is not the case with 2 equally wound coils and just rotating one by 180 degrees !
So this is very important and wrongly stated in my diagramm.
I will tommorow wind another coil the right way and retest it and post it.  Regards, Stefan.
And later he continued in his reply#2579:
Hi all,  I changed here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-energy/files/anti-lenz/  the description of the stanley_anti_lenz.gif file into:  it does not work...
Sorry, but I will still keep the file up there for reference.
Now we have to find out, why Garry gets only 2 Volts out when he turns his motor manually, although a single coil puts out 9 Volts. How is he canceling the lenz law induction in his motor...?  Regards, Stefan.

Another thing I mention is that Garry's setup as shown with the two parallel connected coil pairs is for pulse motors and NOT for generators, i.e. not to induce current into a load (in Garry's motor there was no any load across any of the paralleled coil pairs). This clarifies the controversy shown in Ron's excellent tests made with the different coil-connecting combinations in the link you gave ( http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/pugh.html ).

I personally believe that the correct term to examine here is the counter (or back) EMF induced in the coils when the magnet is approaching, this is not the question of Lenz law effect.  When the paralled coil pair is energized to pull the approaching magnet in,  it is sure the magnet induces an opposing voltage/current in the coils with respect to our input voltage/current just like in a normal DC motor with permanent magnets. The difference is that the input voltage is switched off when the magnet arrives at the coils center, so no input current, hence no more counter EMF current. The good thing is that Garry used 12 coil pairs and 12 magnet pairs so he seemed to "gain flux" from the many Neo magnets. I say this because later Garry wrote that when he reduced the coil pairs to 6 the ou effect he had seemed to experience was gone.

Finally please notice this thread here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5890.0   maybe this is a genuine solution for getting rid of back emf ?    I think it is worth considering.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 04:52:04 PM »
I am going to make a very compact alternator just to experiment with out of a long magnet that has N and S running lengthwise. This magnet is larger than the one shown in the pic. I will also wrap the coils all the way around.

Faraday's law of induction says that when you cut lines of force with a magnet at 90 degrees (right hand angles) you get the most induced current. So that is why the Bedini-Cole window motor works. According to some other electrical theories in the book, you shouldn't be able to create electricity without having Lenz's law, but we know this is not correct. The books are misleading.

I've tested this arrangement at 1400 rpm and it produces 99 MA and 1.125 volts. It is only about 3" long with the center cores. Hooking it to a Dremel at low speed made 500ma and 3 volts. With 6 times more copper and a larger magnet, I should be able to produce something useable without Lenz law.



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Offline Nali2001

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 05:20:32 PM »
One other Lenz free thing is the 'attraction motor' or rather a pulse driven variable reluctance motor. Since the 'torque producing method' involved does not use/interact with secondary magnetic fields (say, a rotor with magnets) it does not have a back emf. But it's a motor and not a generator....
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor-secrets.html

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 05:54:01 PM »
  It would appear that the best way to get around Lenz law is to effect the magnetic flux density of the coil core with something that doesn't care about the induced current. Is there a way to retard the current of the coil so that the prime mover is long gone before the coil current flows.  Like a cap bank to get a leading voltage and lagging current.  Then pull the current through a current transformer cap network to put things back in phase?

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 07:10:36 PM »
@Supermuble & All

Thanks Supermuble for opening this thread  :) It rekindled an old Idea I had but never tried  :P

Has anyone looked at this link? http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields10.htm in #3 it talks about Ed Leedskalnin mentioning "I made more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper"  :o  If you click on the Ed Leedskalnin link or go to http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/exper/magcur.htm and near the bottom there's a paragraph that starts with "Now about a generator" that's interesting.

Also, after reading about the Jeff Cook Effect Generator some time ago I wondered if his type of iron wire coil couldn't be applied to a Bedini setup and what it might do ??? I wasn't able to find a local source of this type of wire but I'm going to start looking again  ;D

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Paul 

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 10:29:42 PM »
In 1910 Lenz´s Law was not canceled  ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aWobDU0Cm0&feature=related

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khabe

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2008, 06:04:22 AM »
@ Nali2001

Thank you for the link to the Jim Murray video, that was quite the eye opener  :o

I was wondering about the part where he was oscillating between the source to destination power station by reversing the VAR (hope I got that right)  :P would it be possible to do a mini version of this using a12 VDC to 100 VAC inverter as the source and a generator using this method?

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Paul

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2008, 07:38:54 AM »
If Lenz's Law could be circumvented it would not be called Lenz's Law.
Perhaps Lenz's Generally Works But Sometimes Doesn't Principle.

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2008, 08:03:14 AM »
@ Evil Roy Slade

Have you watched the Jim Murray video that Nali2001 posted earlier? 

In it Jim Murray describes how he tuned his receiving station to the sending one, somehow in that example (although he blew some Christmas lights in the process  ;D)  he did get it to work where the generator turned into a motor and didn't register a load  :o even though people were using electricity to power their homes  :o

Doesn't that strike you as a possible break in our current laws  ???  Lenz or otherwise  ;)  We're only human and haven't figured everything out yet ;D Besides I haven't seen anyone on this site or any other with that much of a history in trying different projects on that scale, have you? 

Regards,
Paul
 


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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2008, 11:49:11 AM »
Thane's motor is a good example of not only negating lenz's law but defying it completely by acceleration of the rotor.

 

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