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Author Topic: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube  (Read 29348 times)

derricka

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 09:32:44 PM »
Sorry to be the one to break the bad news, but the forces do balance out.  The weak repulsion going in, and the weak attraction on the way out,  add up to balance against the stronger pull going through.  This type of magnet system  is just a ring of magnets with all like poles pointed inwards, and is sometimes referred to as a bedini gate.  These types of magnet systems are fun to play with though, and in repulsion can behave like an invisible rubber membrane.

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2008, 09:36:57 PM »


Thanks for breaking it to us gently, derricka.


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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2008, 10:39:23 PM »

No way.


Show us!


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I'll try to make a video later tonight. I'm pretty busy right now though. Hint: obviously you can levitate a magnet over another magnet, by mutual repulsion. But did you know you can also levitate a magnet, under another magnet, and have it maintain a fixed position against gravity?

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 11:03:57 PM »

Derricka & TinselKoala, I encourage you to read the topics in which you post, to save you any embarrassment in the future....my comments in response to you both were a bit 'tongue in cheek', as I'd already commented on the ring magnet scenario and commensurate difficulties higher in the thread.

Keep up the enthusiasm, however!

http://www.arttec.net/Levitation/index.html

http://www.levitron.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1vyB-O5i6E


Magnetic levitation of various expression, has been around for some time now.


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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2008, 12:03:21 AM »
@Techstuf
Perhaps you should re-read your last comment and tell me who should be embarrassed.

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2008, 12:38:30 AM »
OK, TechStuff, I get the humor/irony now!

I was just leaving work when I made that last post and was too hurried to take things any way but literally. But maybe I could be talking about a different ring magnet scenario than that mentioned in your post (which I did read, along with all others in this thread)

But I'm actually referring to what I call the "magnetic non-contact trailer hitch" which is a quasi-stable configuration of magnets, not in contact, that can transmit both pushes and pulls but is free to rotate and swivel.

I will demonstrate what I mean in a video that I will post later on tonight, if I can stay awake.

No doubt TS and others who have played with magnets have also noticed this effect, but I haven't seen it talked about.

One can also reproduce this effect with flat magnets properly stacked with spacers, on wheels, to make a train of cars that will stay connected, but not in contact, while being pushed or pulled.

I learnt about that configuration from Nikolayev, the teacher of Stefan Marinov.

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2008, 01:57:34 AM »
And here it is ( or very soon will be) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNaxoKkGTRM

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2008, 05:35:32 AM »
Tinselkoala:

Nice video.  Very well explained.  Thank you.


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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2008, 07:52:53 AM »
Tinsel tried to explain it well,
but if you watch the original video there are 4 stator magnet rings which could
be different sizes and which might have different polarities, so to make an
asymmetically flux and thus it seems from the video,
that he really needs not to push it much at all into the gate and
it flies out with pretty much velocity.

So I still disagree to the guys who say that the forces are symmetrical.

With the right iron core pieces inside the flux gate you can make such
a setup very asymmetrical and thus get acceleration into one direction.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2008, 08:38:55 AM »
He is tolding that there is different distance between four gates (as you can see as well), he is tolding that there is two poluses on the "bullet" ... man shows on the paper what kind magnet he hoped/planned to have for moving  inside of flux gate, unfortunately its not much visible. As I told before he is speaking not much useful ... by my opinion he knows not much about magnetism. What he is doing is hoping  discovered invention ...therms and words he is using are ... very amateur ...
There are very many similar gates on related videos ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nchubCR3tIk&feature=related

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2008, 08:48:13 AM »
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So I still disagree to the guys who say that the forces are symmetrical.

With the right iron core pieces inside the flux gate you can make such
a setup very asymmetrical and thus get acceleration into one direction.

Regards, Stefan
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbqsWOK0uMo


Given that the best demonstration of the flux gate thus far has been given by Howard Johnson himself, I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of repeat attempts have mistaken force over time asymmetry for actual force asymmetry.  Those who've been stubborn enough to have bumped ceilings with HJ, have no doubt glimpsed past the event horizon into a veritable Laurentian abyssal of composite field complexities.  I think that if anyone working with magnets were to test the radius of actual field influence of each magnet, they may come away with a newfound respect for 'near surface' dynamics.   What appears more impressive with a composite field flux gate is the fact field asymmetry is more prevalent.  Again, I refer the reader back to Peregrinus.  A simple cone shaped neo is, by nature of it's existence, an asymmetrical field generator. 

In no way do I feel that HJ's flux gate is a dead end.  Only that it is inefficient for the purposes of conventional power generation.  Now, as a vehicle for unconventional power generation, it's potential for efficiency looks much brighter.

HJ inspired the expression:  "90 degree rule"  referring to perpendicular field interactions as a basis for the flux gate research.  What becomes readily apparent is that the system prefers movement in one direction, but what is occuring is actually more complex.  Oversimplified, one might use an obtuse triangle for comparison.  Despite how it might feel, It takes the same amount of energy to push a weight up the left side as the right. Again, of course the triangle concept is not a direct analog....however, one gets the idea.


(http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/38600/38600/Triwent7_38600_lg.gif)


Howard appears to have produced a self powered unit, although I personally have never seen a demo of convincing run time. The timing of flux gate systems is so diabolical and misleading, that I'm fairly certain it ran finicky and produced very little, if any, usable power.


That's the potatoes of it.  The meat comes after one realizes that he need not settle on a wheel that barely turns.....and asks: what can be done with a wheel that provides so little resistance despite being spun at high speed with stator and rotor magnets in close proximity?


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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2008, 09:07:08 AM »
For those interested in magnetic gates, check out this article here:

http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90

Specifically, see the demo video here (also linked in the article):

http://www.fdp.nu/The%2090%20degree%20rule-filer/Arm%20Ramp%20Test.asf

This simple demo shows that the 90 degree gate is biased so that it takes less force to enter in one direction and much more to enter from the other direction. The kick out of the gate is the same in both cases though. The idea is that if you can stagger these gates in such a way that the fields do not interfere with each other and kill the gating effect, that it should be possible to produce a continuous rotating disk with a series of gates or at least a linear track.

God Bless,
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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2008, 07:50:17 PM »

It appears that Stefan's site is being 'handled' and as such, it has proven difficult for me to post helpful information here.  Even my general inferences now seem to invoke the censors....


I may endeavor to get information to the web via another channel.


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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2008, 09:13:34 PM »
It appears that Stefan's site is being 'handled' and as such, it has proven difficult for me to post helpful information here.  Even my general inferences now seem to invoke the censors....


I may endeavor to get information to the web via another channel.


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What do you mean by "handled" ?
I don´t censor anything, but just spam.

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Re: Magnetic engine efficient accelerating magnet gate on youtube
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2008, 01:28:32 AM »
Several of my posts have disappeared upon hitting the post button, or the site won't load....or the site will load fine until I hit the reply button.  These kinds of harrassments have followed me from site to site, so when I use the term "handled" I am referencing TPTB.  Of course, when I am posting literally anything BUT important information....the posts usually go through.  Which seems indicative of real time go/no go analysis. The myriad 'intrigues' I've experienced go way beyond chance 'glitches', so I'm positive that my internet interactions are being 'handled' somewhere enroute.  I've had blue screens upon submitting posts, keyboard lockups, resulting in multiple driver reinstalls.  Hard drive failures, Mobo failures, monitor driver unloads....ALL at critical moments.


At this point, I think somebody should do a remake of the miniseries "V", only change a few subplot lines, names and characters and call it:


"Z"



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