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Author Topic: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!  (Read 7325 times)

Offline froarty

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I propose that ZPE can be extracted using Casimir plates as nanoscopic reactors where certain wavelengths of  vacuum fluctuations are restricted. This restriction causes a vacumn pressure differential that is known to push unbraced casimir plates together. Hydrogen atoms entering these nano-reactors will have their electron radius drop below conventional zero state in proportion to how close the plates are spaced (how restricted the wavelengths). the electron gives off no photon because no energy differential occurred. the sea of virtual particles between itself and the nucleus simply shrank. Likewise an atom exiting the confinement field would have it's electron translate up in the same manner without absorbing a photon. The secret to rectifying ZPE is to cause the atoms inside the nanoreactors to form bonds while their electrons are in this sub zero radius. This will inhibit their free translation back to zero state when exiting the plates. the sea would rise but the electrons are now tied together and the vacuum fluctuations would have to contribute energy in an organized manner instead of chaos to push the electrons back up to zero state/ normal radius!

  By coincidence porous catalyst such as nickel and platinum form cavities that would contain a proportion of "braced" plates of a geometry supporting casimir effect. maybe some of those cold fusion pellets or Blacklights Nickel catalyst are already rectifying ZPE?

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2008, 02:31:25 PM »
Oh, is that all...

So all we have to do is to use Mills' "Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantummechanics",
which is only completely unaccepted by established science,
and simply make nano-reactors in which we magically squeeze hydrogen atoms into
their "hydrino" sub-zero energy level, yet still cause them to bond somehow, without
emitting any photons?
You do realise that even in Mills' theory and his replicated though still not commonly
accepted Blacklight-hydrino experiment, generation of hydrinos from pure hydrogen
always involves emission of very high frequency UV light?
Mills' company is not called "Blacklight Power" for nothing.
As far as I know his theory does not allow squeezing of hydrogen into its sub-zero
energy state, without emission of UV photons.

And "nano-reactors", yeah, if we could esily construct active nanostructures,
we could do a lot. Nanodiodes for example would already be a great help.
But constructing such nanostructured "metamaterials" is not really something
we are very good at yet. ;)

Then, the Casimir effect, that involves the attraction of two plates because of the
simple fact that the distance between the plates in relation to their surface dimensions
is so small that only a relatively small amount of incident radiation (incoming waves)
can "get in between" the plates, all larger wavelengths cannot, and all larger wavelengths
push on the outer surface of the plates, so there is a net force pushing on these outer
surfaces that is larger than the net force pushing on the inner surfaces, and the plates
are pushed closer together. The closer they get, the larger the net force.
How would you control the exact location of the occurrence of the Casimir effect?
How do you imagine to be able to allow only the hydrogen atoms to experience
Casimir forces and to keep any of the surrounding atoms from experiencing the same
effect? After all, it would be like putting two plates in a room with a lot of other plates,
and then expecting only those two plates to experience the Casimir effect while the
surrounding plates do not...?
Also, why would two hydrogen atoms bond when pushed together? Atoms repel...
unless they form a chemical bond, which involves emission of photons...

Well... I see an interesting setup for a thought experiment which does not seem
to have been followed through completely yet... ;)

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2008, 03:08:07 PM »
Yes, my son made similar point and I was just about to press send on the email below when your post arrived: BTW I don't want to take anything from DR Mills -I just want a "working" model so technicians like myself can usefully experiment with the variables. Also I believe that light or heat are produced but only when molecules formed inside confinement exit the field. The nano reactors I mention may now producible by the plasmonic industry - if the resonator beads were flattened and braced closely together they would form a nanoscopic "casmir field" - My poor use of the term "reactor" is probably misleading - I meant an area where the virtual particles are restricted.

Kevin,   
Last night I made the simplified post below concentrating on just Casmir plates without complicating things talking about use of nickel cavities as the plates. I am working on a simple Flash presentation of hydrogen atoms Passing thru confinement plates for 2 conditions and a 3rd condition where the atoms travel outside the plates.
The 1st animation will depict single hydrogen atoms with 1 electron in their lowest orbital forming a normal covalent bond outside of the confinement field.
 
The 2nd animation below the original will duplicate the animation forming a bond inside the field but modify the electron orbits lower than minimum shell radius - this support my theory that electrons in a field where virtual particle density has been reduced will fall proportionately closer to the nucleus! The covalent bond will also therefore form a much smaller covalent molecular radius. This bond will act like a rubber band that gets stressed by the rising sea of virtual particles when the molecule exits the plates. I am not sure if the rising sea will do work/release heat or light immediately and drag the submerged electrons with their covalent bond up to normal radius or if these so called “hydrinos” are stable enough to exist outside of the plates and act as  energy transports - fuel. They could potentially hold much more energy than normal shells forming an entire family of sub zero shells only limited by the minimum plate spacing for the atom to gain entry.

The 3rd animation will just depict atoms translating in and out of the field without forming bonds and without losing or gaining energy, they will appear to compress inside the field and expand outside the field in proportion to the rise and fall in density of vacuum fluctuations, aka virtual particles aka pico-scopic “thumbs” instantaneously protruding into and out of our dimension. This is the force that displaces the electron from ever reaching it’s proton and determines the normal minimum electron radius for each element.

Dad

original post:
I propose that ZPE can be extracted using Casimir plates as nanoscopic reactors where certain wavelengths of  vacuum fluctuations are restricted. This restriction causes a vacumn pressure differential that is known to push unbraced casimir plates together. Hydrogen atoms entering these nano-reactors will have their electron radius drop below conventional zero state in proportion to how close the plates are spaced (how restricted the wavelengths). the electron gives off no photon because no energy differential occurred. the sea of virtual particles between itself and the nucleus simply shrank. Likewise an atom exiting the confinement field would have it's electron translate up in the same manner without absorbing a photon. The secret to rectifying ZPE is to cause the atoms inside the nanoreactors to form bonds while their electrons are in this sub zero radius. This will inhibit their free translation back to zero state when exiting the plates. the sea would rise but the electrons are now tied together and the vacuum fluctuations would have to contribute energy in an organized manner instead of chaos to push the electrons back up to zero state/ normal radius!

  By coincidence porous catalyst such as nickel and platinum form cavities that would contain a proportion of "braced" plates of a geometry supporting casimir effect. maybe some of those cold fusion pellets or Blacklights Nickel catalyst are already rectifying ZPE?

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
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Offline froarty

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2008, 04:35:14 PM »
You made some other points that I will respond to individually 1 per post:

1. The closer the plates get, the larger the net force.How would you control the exact location of the occurrence of the Casimir effect?

reply: The step function used by normal shells would apply such that restricting the density of virtual particles in progressively smaller confinement fields between plates would allow the electron to appear proportionally closer to the nucleus but without giving up energy - Quite possibly the distance has not changed from the electrons' perspective - since we are modifying the density of virtual particles the electrons orbit could be displaced along an axis into another dimension and only appears smaller. Upon leaving the field the orbit would simply twist fully back into our normal space. The dx of the radius zero and no energy gain. If you form a covalent bond while these electrons are displaced they will no longer be able to twist back into normal space without the normally chaotic virtual particles having to organize and "push" the molecule back into our dimension. You are forcing the ether to spring load these atoms closer together than a  covalent bond would normally form. If Mills' is correct than the molecule will be stable and can be used as a fuel. some of these molecules may be "too" compressed to exist in our space and could explain the blue light as their bonds are ripped apart by the translation. Another family of shells by displacement in the "Z" direction would also redeem Mills
family of HHC products.

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2008, 04:55:04 PM »
 2. I am incapable of understanding Mills'"Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantummechanics", and I never asked any one to accept it. I am simply proposing a working mans theory/model that would explain the claimed results in a manner that anyone can grasp. In electronics we don't need perfection, If a working theory allows us to manipulate the variables to achieve the desired effect we use it.

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2008, 05:00:44 PM »
Hmm... seems there is more to your idea than originally met the eye ;)

Your replies are of the clarity and tone that indicate a serious
path of thought and one that may deserve more thought on my part. :)
If you could, at your leasure, elucidate your idea some more,
that would be helpfull.

Meanwhile I shall shut up and let you point out the points you
want to point out. ;D

Kind regards,
Koen

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2008, 06:23:06 PM »
Haven't read the above yet.
Stupid question maybe, but is it the Casimir force that keeps the electron and nucleus apart?

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2008, 07:00:19 PM »
Yes, vacumn fluctuations, also known as virtual particles, also can be described as an infinity of pico scopic "thumbs" instantly winking into and out of existence in normal space. They carry no charge but physically repel or displace any type of matter such that their density per unit of space is effected by the matter with which it shares space. they repel both the electron and nucleus in equilibrium against the electrons desire to reach the proton. they effectively determine an elements minimum radius from the nucleus as seen in the periodic chart. Casimir plates take advantage of the boundary effect between metal surfaces and free space. It takes 2 plates to set up a condition where this difference in virtual particle density can be exploited to do work --But--- in this case just moving 2 plates together does not provide "useful work" in that it would take an equal or greater force to now pry the plates apart. My theory is we can capture. The Mills' device appears to side step this by allowing hydrogen atoms in a "casimir cavity" to covalently bond while partially twisted into the dimension where virtual particles originate. the bond keeps the atoms from translating fully back to normal space when exiting the plates and energy is stored in the form of these normally chaotic virtual particles trying to expell the molecule out of its universe - The molecule only appears smaller from our perspective because it is actually displaced into another dimension. If the molecule is too compressed it will break the bond and release energy.

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2008, 08:11:15 PM »
Question 4: How do you imagine to be able to allow only the hydrogen atoms to experience
Casimir forces and to keep any of the surrounding atoms from experiencing the same
effect? After all, it would be like putting two plates in a room with a lot of other plates,
and then expecting only those two plates to experience the Casimir effect while the
surrounding plates do not...?
Question 3 Also, why would two hydrogen atoms bond when pushed together? Atoms repel...
unless they form a chemical bond, which involves emission of photons...  

Answer 3 : My weak chemistry background is showing : If the covalent bonding of H2 releases a photon I'm ok with that - you have to invest energy to make energy and giving up a photon to bond in.... oh lets go SCIFI and call it "N" space then fine. You will reap a handsome profit when that molecule exits the field still submerged in "N" space and the covalent bond is you rectifier or dam if you like. So far I have heard no mention of these material by products of the Blacklight being analysed but if they do exist it would be a real shame to burn them as fuel. If they are bonded into partial "submergence" in N space than they may be the long sought "oar" science has sought in order to dip into the ether. Can you imagine plasma coils of these interdimensional "hydrinos" flowing thru them to claw through space without propellant!

Answer 4   the first part of your question was why only the hydrogen atoms experience
Casimir forces and  keep any of the surrounding atoms from experiencing the same
effect? The short answer is I don't.... the casimir plates are primarily catalysts not reactants but so what if does react? any atoms small enough to fit between the plates that form molecular bonds while twisted into N space will serve as an energy container -hydrogen has the best opportunity since it's radius would allow plates the minimum spacing possible thereby minimum density of virtual particles and maximize the atoms displacement into N space. = more stress on the covalent bond when exiting the plates and the further this little "oar" bites into the ether.

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Re: Casmir effect allows sub zero state of electron and method to rectify ZPE!
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2008, 10:28:20 PM »
I tried to join a Yahoo group on Classical Physics that Dr Mills is a part of but the moderator decided not to forward my post to the members of SCP for two reasons.  (1)  When he went to my web page he had to have a user name and password.  Members do not respond well to this arrangement unless he has decided that it is worth their while.  (2)  In this case he decided that it is not worth their while because ZPE is antithetical to the Theory of Classical Physics.

My Reply,
OK.... Hope Dr Mills understands I tried.
        I just created the blog – it was not meant to be a forum but I understand your skepticism. I use the Over Unity Forum  and I would appreciate if you checked it out for yourself or at least pass along one suggestion to Dr Mills:  I think the HHC byproducts may actually be  partially twisted into N-space. The atoms in his molecules formed covalent bonds while in Casimir confinement inside the catalyst and they want to be pushed back into normal space but are held hostage by the covalent bond forming an “interdimensional” molecule. Burning this product as fuel would be a waste! They represent N-space “oars” that could be driven thru closed circuit coils to drive a spacecraft without propellant!
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