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Author Topic: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION  (Read 48406 times)

wattsup

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2008, 04:27:01 AM »
@Guys

I wanted to post here for a few days but always felt it is way out of left field at this point.

If you can answer this one question, that I do not have the answer myself, then the great mystery of magnetic rotating wheels will be solved. Here is the question.

Q: Is there a known material that can be used to cover a portion of any magnet to inhibit the field from exiting through that covered area?

Find the answer to that one question and you will solve this in a day. This is really the only question you need to solve so before you answer this one question, put all your, wheels, drawings, etc., etc., aside. Just take two magnets, mark the N and S ends and do lots of tests and reading.

Keep in mind some basic points.

Attraction and repulsion. The North repulses, the South attracts that repulsion so they stick together.
The North repulses against another North that repulses so they do not stick and actually have the strongest repulsion when N/N. The South attracts against another South that attracts so there is no possibility of mutual attraction hence only one possibility left that is "mild" repulsion.

When you look at a top view of a set-up using magnets, think of the magnetic fields as follows.
North Left, North Right, North Up, North Down all exiting the N polarity.
South Left, South Right, South Up, South Down all entering the S polarity.

I consider that the best form of rotation will be with repulsion and the direction of mutual repulsion between two magnets.

So if you can find a way to control the magnetic directionality while neutralizing or greatly inhibiting other parts of the field, then the answer will be obvious.

All the best.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2008, 05:01:48 AM »
Q: Is there a known material that can be used to cover a portion of any magnet to inhibit the field from exiting through that covered area?
-  Any magnetic material (steel; your hardrive magnet with steel back), it will redirect magnetic flux, and “inhibit the field from exiting through that covered area”. Problem is – it does not work as shield to make endless variations of magnetic gates (shield has to block magnetic field, but not interact with magnet; never seen such material).

“His track has to be long enough to allow the runner magnet to gather enough inertia to go past problem  areas with ease.  I am not sure also if he is using the same magnetic track structure
- Yes the same “structure”. Here’s pretty long track, and when alone the ball rolls along. As soon as second rack involved, ball reducing speed and can’t overcome “sticky” spot for entrance to another track (on attach shown where the smallest ball is).
I'm afraid this idea has "dead end" as well...

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2008, 03:01:33 PM »
 Below shows where there to much of a gap for the balls to make it around the curve. I can get the balls around a curve, around a U shaped curve and even around more then 3/4 of a circle. If we built a track long enough to create enough energy to pulse a field strong enough to pull the balls far enough from the end, we could create a perpetual motion. It can be done but it would take a very long track to do so.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #93 on: November 26, 2008, 01:49:57 AM »
Well, OK, do it.
Borrow some money and buy a bunch of magnets and track materials, and build the thing and show it. If it continues to go around and around on its own, you will have no problem paying off the loans.

It's a good investment, right?
Sure thing, can't lose, right?

GO for it!!


I'll be looking for your pictures of your very long track SMOT perpetual motion machine.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #94 on: November 26, 2008, 02:42:18 AM »
There is to big of a gap here.
- If you decries this distance, the opposite force from 2-nd track will be increased, and run gets even less.
Did you try it? Can you show us a video ("I can get the balls around a curve") please. I’d like to see how ball will stop in the middle of the track (if it will be long enough).Thks.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2008, 03:21:43 AM by Light »

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #95 on: November 26, 2008, 07:04:12 AM »
 TinselKoala, I am putting my money in the updated Bedini design I have. I am not even going to tempt putting a mile long magnet rail together. LOL

Light, I posted the video before but here it is again. It shows the ball going down a straight then thru a curve amd then back up another straight.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXZFtUS0URQ

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #96 on: November 26, 2008, 02:07:32 PM »
@all

I do not agree with the behaviour of this guy, but it seems that he found a way to shield magnets.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=59TOZ6Bdbmw&NR=1

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #97 on: November 26, 2008, 02:29:23 PM »
@nievesoliveras

Damn good find.
Here is one of his other videos explaining the shield as follows

Magnet
Rubber Liner
Tin shield
Rubber Liner
Tin shield

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=agReLN-tGQE&feature=channel

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #98 on: November 26, 2008, 05:55:59 PM »
Hi Folks,

He has had a thread on his one way shieldings here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4528.0

but naysayers seem to overcome him... :o

I hope he can continue his good direction to a genuin magnet motor.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #99 on: November 26, 2008, 11:25:27 PM »
Hi Guys,

I have not been posting for a while. Doing lots of experiments.

The ideal SMOT magnet track should "Draw in any steel ball on the tracks enter point and catapult the ball out at the tracks end without any end of track resistance.   This should be done in a track round or curved configuration.  No metal shielding required.

I just found out how to do just that and will make a movie showing a 2 inch steel ball rolling in a circle continuosly.. I have to place and secure all the magnets correctly so it might take a while..

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2008, 12:53:59 AM »
"I just found out how to do just that and will make a movie showing a 2 inch steel ball rolling in a circle continuosly.. I have to place and secure all the magnets correctly so it might take a while.."

From the above statement I conclude that you haven't actually done it yet, you just know how to do it.

This is something we have all heard before, too many times. Why is this time any different? After all, your SMOT doesn't differ in any significant way from many others that don't work, even though they at first showed promise.

Take as long as you need. I, for one, won't be holding my breath.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #101 on: November 27, 2008, 01:36:23 AM »
TinselKoala, wasn't you who said we couldn't get around a curve? Not only did we, but we proved it in a video.

 You may aught to start giving us the benefit of the doubt.  ;)

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #102 on: November 27, 2008, 01:39:26 AM »
"I just found out how to do just that and will make a movie showing a 2 inch steel ball rolling in a circle continuosly.. I have to place and secure all the magnets correctly so it might take a while.."

From the above statement I conclude that you haven't actually done it yet, you just know how to do it.

This is something we have all heard before, too many times. Why is this time any different? After all, your SMOT doesn't differ in any significant way from many others that don't work, even though they at first showed promise.

Take as long as you need. I, for one, won't be holding my breath. 


How much cash will you donate to a charity of my choice say I constructed it --- and it ran?



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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #103 on: November 27, 2008, 02:16:18 AM »
“Light, I posted the video before but here it is again. It shows the ball going down a straight then thru a curve amd then back up another straight.
- I saw it, thks. It’s going nowhere if track will be longer. That’s what we awaiting – video with a long (2-3 feet) track. On short track the inertia, that what's doing the trick; on long track it’s gonna be different picture.

And all these videos showing nothing – stop to move hand and  everything stops, as well as a shields – it’s not a shield, it’s magnetic deflector (like on your comp hard drive magnet), it does not shields, it’s redirecting the flux, so useless for PM.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #104 on: November 27, 2008, 04:11:54 AM »
TinselKoala, wasn't you who said we couldn't get around a curve? Not only did we, but we proved it in a video.

 You may aught to start giving us the benefit of the doubt.  ;)

I think I might know someone who would be interested. What was his name now ... oh yeah, Omnibus I think. He's a good man to prove your device beyond any doubt.  ;)