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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2008, 11:27:48 PM »
My flywheel setup.

Building a sawhorse to mount it on right now,

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #136 on: December 08, 2008, 01:34:32 AM »
TinselKoala,

Exactly what have you experimented with that worked or did not work?

Name a few things and show me on the internet where I can view them and then I can sit on a fence be a skeptic.

(snip)

Ah, so you think maybe I'm an unqualified armchair critic. Sorry to disappoint you.

The short answer is , "Many, many, many."

Here's one good one you can download:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wuldel0syug
And one related to the above:
http://www.mediafire.com/?xhtlsgmm2tt
Here's another one you might like:
http://www.mediafire.com/?kg1diqlmdim
And another:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tv3o955ylbx

You could also check out my YouTube channel, although I just started it. There are a few vids there on topics from this forum.

Here's a picture of my "current" project, showing the efficient conversion of mechanical motion to electrical power:


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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #137 on: December 08, 2008, 01:36:52 AM »
TinselKoala, "There isn't a square or rectangular SMOT design that works."

 I am sorry but you are wrong. they do work but they do not work longer then 1 to 5 minutes and that is one reason we have changed directions.
(snip)

If you have one that runs for five minutes that would be big news. Why don't you share it?

Oh, and we should really see it start with a "calibrated push", and then compare its performance with the same push, but with the track or stator magnets removed.


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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #137 on: December 08, 2008, 01:36:52 AM »
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #138 on: December 08, 2008, 01:47:56 AM »
Ah, so you think maybe I'm an unqualified armchair critic. Sorry to disappoint you.

The short answer is , "Many, many, many."

Probably too many! You got anything we can look forward to with the bifilar coils or other magnetic projects?

0c

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #139 on: December 08, 2008, 03:35:59 AM »
Hi Guys,

I would like to think that we are all attempting to build a self sustained device that will not only power its own self but other things as well.  Call it a self runner, overunity, or perpetual motion.  Whatever.  I for one am crazy enough to try.

I dont know how long ceramic or neo magnets hold their energy but I was told "YEARS" by a magnet engineer working in a large magnet manufacturing corporation.   Thats why I elected to try permanent magnetic energy as my go to power source. "BUT"-- Cant heat up the magnets or they will fail.

I had hand built many- many  electronic motor devices. Some of them were extremely effecient. But take away the electronics that power such devices and they all stop running.   
You cant power an auto electrical motor by attaching a powered wall socket to run it 200 miles.

Batterys need a lot more development before they can be a viable power source for todays modern electric motors.  ( This is one of my U tube electrical magnet gearing devices.)  I got bored and moved on.   Its up for sale to any one interested.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0jRIUXbDnBI&feature=related

Tom

« Last Edit: December 08, 2008, 04:02:19 AM by magnetman12003 »

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #140 on: December 08, 2008, 07:31:24 AM »
@TK

Regarding your second video, I always tell guys who work on such wheels that the most important part of the system will be how well balanced the wheel is without any additions. Meaning if removed all moving shifting parts from the wheel and you slowly turn the wheel a few degrees and let it go, it should not move. If it backs up a few degrees or forward a few degrees, this means the initial wheel is not balanced or off centered and therefore at a certain stage in the rotation, the completed system will have to overcome that imbalance. Most times this is what kills the deal. Balancing the wheel is of prime importance.

Last point is the ratio of weight of the shifting components versus the weight of the total wheel. This is where you can develop some inertia if the ratio is favorable to the shifting components. Yes I know even one gram on the right should do it but if the wheel itself is off by a few grams, you're cooked.

My last wheel was water jet cut in solid 3/4" aluminum plate stock then totally balanced and I though it would be light enough but my eight 3/4" steel balls were still not heavy enough. When I get the time I will make another one this time out of 1" plastic stock and use 1" steel balls as the shifters.

You can see it here, just go down from the link point to the images. It's a long post.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3070.msg45101#msg45101

With such a design I am using both the top and bottom parts of each circle to effect the ball. Just as is it almost goes on its own but the wheel weight is just to much. It would work with a magnet system but I am as stubborn as they get so I wanted to do this without magnets. All I need is a slight push for 5 degrees.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #141 on: December 08, 2008, 06:27:23 PM »
Your point?

My mondrasek wheel is pretty well balanced, as you can see in the videos. It's turning on sapphire ball bearings. An imbalance of less than one gram is plenty sufficient to get it turning.

You claim your wheel would work "with a magnet system".

One wonders why, then, you haven't shown it. The thousand dollar prize would have gone a long way towards helping you do it without magnets.

Please build your wheel and show it running with magnets, as you claim.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #142 on: December 08, 2008, 08:00:37 PM »
Hi Guys, Remember those box tracks that first started this thread?

Well if anyone made them they can be used as a "VARIABLE SIZE" huge ring magnet as I discovered. Simply by adjusting 4 box tracks as per the illustrations. No problems with corner areas.when  building the magnet gravity device.

The center point acts just like the huge ring magnet laying next to the box tracks.

I plan to use them if my large ring magnet does not work out building the magnet/gravity motor device.

Tom
« Last Edit: December 08, 2008, 08:25:06 PM by magnetman12003 »

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #143 on: December 08, 2008, 08:02:33 PM »
Here is box 1

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #144 on: December 08, 2008, 11:06:48 PM »
@TK

Regarding your second video, I always tell guys who work on such wheels that the most important part of the system will be how well balanced the wheel is without any additions. Meaning if removed all moving shifting parts from the wheel and you slowly turn the wheel a few degrees and let it go, it should not move. If it backs up a few degrees or forward a few degrees, this means the initial wheel is not balanced or off centered and therefore at a certain stage in the rotation, the completed system will have to overcome that imbalance. Most times this is what kills the deal. Balancing the wheel is of prime importance.

Last point is the ratio of weight of the shifting components versus the weight of the total wheel. This is where you can develop some inertia if the ratio is favorable to the shifting components. Yes I know even one gram on the right should do it but if the wheel itself is off by a few grams, you're cooked.

My last wheel was water jet cut in solid 3/4" aluminum plate stock then totally balanced and I though it would be light enough but my eight 3/4" steel balls were still not heavy enough. When I get the time I will make another one this time out of 1" plastic stock and use 1" steel balls as the shifters.

You can see it here, just go down from the link point to the images. It's a long post.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3070.msg45101#msg45101

With such a design I am using both the top and bottom parts of each circle to effect the ball. Just as is it almost goes on its own but the wheel weight is just to much. It would work with a magnet system but I am as stubborn as they get so I wanted to do this without magnets. All I need is a slight push for 5 degrees.
       Check this video out.  Its close to what you illustrate

.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GhR-K10UjnY&eurl=http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Gravity_Motors

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #145 on: December 09, 2008, 08:53:24 PM »
Hi All,

I have questions I need to ask.

If I personally  invent something that is a self runner I plan to show/tell all to the world for free and hopefully "ALL" revenues in some way might be directed to charitible organizations

Now say someone on this overunity site does manage to construct a self runner that powers itself and other devices as well.  Its a real working overunity device. ...... All hypothetical........

Say also all information about how to construct such an "UNPATENTED"  device is posted by the TRUE inventor on this site and is now given freely to the world.  All his postings here are time dated.

Whats to prevent some unscrupulous, greedy person from making a bee line to the patent office and patenting this idea claiming he is the inventor? Then have the nerve of preventing anyone from pursuing its development unless he was part any self serving revenue generated from it?

Just what are the legalitys?    Any patent attorneys viewing this site can give advice

Tom


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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #146 on: December 09, 2008, 09:20:53 PM »
@magnetman12003

I think that the best thing to do is to call the news media and advertize through them that there is an overunity invention that is going to be given to humanity and that it will be done after the news of its existence have run the whole planet. Also say that it will be free to everybody.

Then after it is world spread, release the information to replicate it. Everybody will know that it is free.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #147 on: December 09, 2008, 09:48:02 PM »
Hi,

Thats excellent advise.

In addition one would also have to previously sent all info to many trusted partys. Unknown to anyone but the inventor.

They in turn would dump all that info on the internet should the inventor meet a untimely departure due to unnatural causes.

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #148 on: February 03, 2009, 04:17:35 PM »
Bump.

I guess that the reason we haven't heard anything for a while is that the inventor has perfected the design and is quietly commercializing it. So we should all be selling off our oil stocks before they crash.

Or, maybe, there's some other problem, like...

the design simply doesn't work.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #149 on: February 06, 2009, 02:41:17 AM »
Bump.

I guess that the reason we haven't heard anything for a while is that the inventor has perfected the design and is quietly commercializing it. So we should all be selling off our oil stocks before they crash.

Or, maybe, there's some other problem, like...

the design simply doesn't work.

I might be wrong. But I think you made this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9UKcGTcfwo

If so, pls tell the truth about it, I still wonder how you did it after so many sleepless nights.

 

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