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Offline Zhang Yalin

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Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« on: November 10, 2008, 07:16:43 AM »

Why the potential energy is unlimited?
 
The definition of potential energy is not correct and the conservation law of mechanical energy is faultiness for the following reasons.
Potential energy can be converted into kinetic energy, the resistance removed. Otherwise, the kinetic energy can't be changed into potential energy at all.
Mechanical energy is just produced by the movement of objects according to the definition of it.
Force is the cause to change the movement of the objects by the first law of Newton. Therefore force is the real source of mechanical energy.
The force (outside force) is limited. However, gravity is a special force which is unlimited.
As a result, mechanical energy can be divided into two types; one is called kinetic energy (limited) the other potential energy (unlimited).
Potential energy of objects is unlimited because it got from gravity, and it is general knowledge that gravity is eternal.
Gravitational potential energy of objects is created by gravity. If there is no gravity, the potential energy will disappear.
At present, the potential energy is generally agreed that it comes from the movement of objects being taken from low to high.
But people have ignored that the kinetic energy has already been consumed during the period of movement.
The movement of objects takes place depending on the force acted on. Without force acting on the objects maintain static. Even with equal forces from opposite directions act on each other, they can't move as well. Gravity is just in this condition.
The potential energy is always equal to the weight of objects no matter the objects is low or high. Potential energy will be zero only when the gravity disappears.
In the absence of resistance, the potential energy will be released to do work.
The formula of potential energy: U = mgh, U represents work more suitable than energy.
In a word, force is energy itself or a form of expression of energy just like the electric energy, the heat energy and so on.
According to the following formulas: W=F•S, F=ma=1/S(E2-E1), Work or energy is made up of force while the quantity of force is measured by work or energy. The force consumed has turned into work; unconsumed, energy.
We can get potential energy by producing a vacuum without doing work.
Referring to the Torricelli experiment, We put a cylinder with water into a water basin ( set a splints in the upper part of the cylinder, switched by lines), get a inflated balloon with a hollow tail from the bottom of the cylinder, when the balloon floated up to top, release the air by pulling the switch wire of the splints, then pulling the deflated balloon out.  In the course of the experiment, W1=G(water)h, W2=G(air)h, W3=G(water)h=P(atmospheric pressure)V . We will get W1 from W2, and W3 from the atmospheric pressure  will compensate for W1.


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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2008, 10:27:43 AM »
Why the potential energy is unlimited?
 
The definition of potential energy is not correct and the conservation law of mechanical energy is faultiness for the following reasons.
Potential energy can be converted into kinetic energy, the resistance removed. Otherwise, the kinetic energy can't be changed into potential energy at all.
Mechanical energy is just produced by the movement of objects according to the definition of it.
Force is the cause to change the movement of the objects by the first law of Newton. Therefore force is the real source of mechanical energy.
The force (outside force) is limited. However, gravity is a special force which is unlimited.
As a result, mechanical energy can be divided into two types; one is called kinetic energy (limited) the other potential energy (unlimited).
Potential energy of objects is unlimited because it got from gravity, and it is general knowledge that gravity is eternal.
Gravitational potential energy of objects is created by gravity. If there is no gravity, the potential energy will disappear.
At present, the potential energy is generally agreed that it comes from the movement of objects being taken from low to high.
But people have ignored that the kinetic energy has already been consumed during the period of movement.
The movement of objects takes place depending on the force acted on. Without force acting on the objects maintain static. Even with equal forces from opposite directions act on each other, they can't move as well. Gravity is just in this condition.
The potential energy is always equal to the weight of objects no matter the objects is low or high. Potential energy will be zero only when the gravity disappears.
In the absence of resistance, the potential energy will be released to do work.
The formula of potential energy: U = mgh, U represents work more suitable than energy.
In a word, force is energy itself or a form of expression of energy just like the electric energy, the heat energy and so on.
According to the following formulas: W=F•S, F=ma=1/S(E2-E1), Work or energy is made up of force while the quantity of force is measured by work or energy. The force consumed has turned into work; unconsumed, energy.
We can get potential energy by producing a vacuum without doing work.
Referring to the Torricelli experiment, We put a cylinder with water into a water basin ( set a splints in the upper part of the cylinder, switched by lines), get a inflated balloon with a hollow tail from the bottom of the cylinder, when the balloon floated up to top, release the air by pulling the switch wire of the splints, then pulling the deflated balloon out.  In the course of the experiment, W1=G(water)h, W2=G(air)h, W3=G(water)h=P(atmospheric pressure)V . We will get W1 from W2, and W3 from the atmospheric pressure  will compensate for W1.




...so how can we acquire free electrical energy to run an electric vehicle for an example?

Offline AlanA

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2008, 09:47:42 PM »
@ Zhang Yalin

can you make a sketch. I don't know exactly what you mean (ballon, cylinder, ...)
Thanks

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2008, 10:00:18 PM »
Zhang said:

"We put a cylinder with water into a water basin ( set a splints in the upper part of the cylinder, switched by lines), get a inflated balloon with a hollow tail from the bottom of the cylinder, when the balloon floated up to top, release the air by pulling the switch wire of the splints, then pulling the deflated balloon out."

I say:

How does the inflated balloon get to the bottom of the cylinder of water? Is it inflated first, then pulled down there, or perhaps it is inflated while already at the bottom of the cylinder of water?

Because this system, too, is conservative. Buoyancy is just gravity, hiding underwater!! You will get out only what you put in, less losses. The work you put in, inflating the balloon, or pulling the inflated balloon to the bottom of the cylinder, is all the work you will be able to get back out.

Gravity isn't a force, any more than a bank is money. You can do work against gravity, by raising up a weight, or by sinking a buoyant object. Gravity will then happily return this work, minus losses due to friction, etc.


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Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 06:58:21 AM »
Please copy  the address below to see the picture.


http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oZYYjnAFMHDfVXtAeYfwGw

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 03:21:22 PM »
When your balloon goes up, an equal volume of water must go down.
And with it, goes your "extra" work.


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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 08:52:59 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 12:22:20 AM »
So tell us again, please: Just where is energy supposed to come out of this system?

Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 05:15:16 AM »

The energy used to put the balloon into the water is: W0=G(water)h(1m)
The buoyancy of the balloon will do work: W1=G(water)H(2-10m).
Releasing the air out of the balloon only costs us W2=G(air)H.
The vacuum produced by the balloon can absorb the water up, W3=W1=G(water)H,
The energy we get should be: E=W1-W2-W(W0 and other waste).
W2=775W1; W0=W1/10;
W2=P(atmospheric pressure)V(water or air)=100,000(J). η>80%..


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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2008, 09:51:03 AM »
hmm i think i get it correct me if i am wrong.
there is little pressure at bottom of the basin so because of this it is a lot easier to pump air inside the balloon with no water leaks. you just have to make the cylinder high enough to harness the kinetic energy of rising/falling of balloon to overcome the energy to pump air into the balloon.
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Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 10:36:05 AM »
Pump air into the balloon after pulling it out of the water.
It’s easy to do this just like opening an umbrella.


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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2008, 10:46:08 AM »
if you're going to have the trouble of putting the balloon back inside the water why not have it already in the water?

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 06:06:49 PM »
Why do you need a balloon, splints, and wire at all? Why not just introduce some air into the bottom of the tube, let the bubble rise to the top, and then let the air out with a small valve at the top of the tube.
Isn't this completely dynamically equivalent, and with less losses, than using the balloon to contain the "bubble"?

Now, without repeating those calculations, please tell me how to get energy out of this system. Do you run a turbine on the air ejected from the balloon (or valve), or attach a string to the balloon and let it pull something up as it rises, or what?

(BTW, Yalin, there's something wrong with your calculation...as I tried to tell you before, for the balloon to go up, water must come down---the balloon does work all right: it moves the water...)

Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2008, 08:19:45 AM »
Is there anyone understood my meaning? Please try to do my experiment than ask me constantly. My English is rather poor, Who will translate my paper into pure English? I would much obliged to him.

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Re: Why the potential energy is unlimited?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2008, 08:54:21 AM »
Is there anyone understood my meaning? Please try to do my experiment than ask me constantly. My English is rather poor, Who will translate my paper into pure English? I would much obliged to him.

do you have more picture examples? please post them here.

 

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