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Offline lltfdaniel1

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A Simple Overunity
« on: November 17, 2005, 02:56:32 PM »
This idea could very likely to work,

convert a Lawn mower into a Generator (Lawn Mower to generator). - DIRT CHEAP and Use an alternator.

Convert the lawn mower to run on Hydrogen.

Get the motor running on hydrogen.(Thus produceing power)

Use that power to Produce hydrogen to keep the motor going.(Use a Dual Circle , not a single circuit)

I Think will little maintence geting the fuel.useage right and what loads is a wise idea.

Daniel.

(Simple eh?)

although it would need tweaking.....
« Last Edit: November 17, 2005, 05:40:02 PM by lltfdaniel1 »

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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2006, 05:11:03 PM »
From the theme "A Simple Overunity" to a simple "Overunity Society",an outlook of
"freestyle" possibilities:

vehicles:

prismz.com? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Automite
home.earthlink.net? Urban EV,Fradella
austinev.org? ? ? ? ? ?Lavenami
mcn.org? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Electilite

Question:How many KW/HP/PS do we really need ?(austinev.org,page "Motors":line 4-6)

Electric "City-car" conversion:

Haeusler Zsolt? ? ? DE10011074? ? ?Electric Motor/Generator Conversion? ? ? ? ? ?1,5KW
Franz Hawlitschek DE4031920? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? *? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2,5-5KW
Manfred Hoyer? ? ?DE2529451? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? *? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3,3kw
Holger Zeissler? ? ?DE19522794? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?*? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8,0KW

REVA Electric Car
LOREMO L22
?
Peter Rust? ? ? ? ? ?DE10103188? ? ?Hybrid-Car-Conversion (~sigmaautomotive.com)

Kurt Fritzsche? ? ? ?DE4332378? ? ? Hybrid-Combustion/Electric-System: 3lt./100km published

Kurt Fritzsche + proepowersystems Thermo-dynamic Engine and Recuperator:would be 2lt./100km
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hydrogen:Safehydrogen
Fritzsche +proepowersystems+ Peter Rust-Motor/Generator-Couple DE3713965:would be 1lt./100km
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Fritzsche +proepowersystems+ Flynn Magnet-Motor WO0022000007285/Jakelj Magnet-Motor/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Klinsing DE2653497
 
This are the last steps of the combustion engine-aera,the next aera will be the e-recycling system
concept like Holger Zeissler DE19522794/trinitymotors.net? but with conventional OU Magnet-Motors.

Sincerely
? ? ? ? ? ? de Lanca
p.s.:I like car-design like Lotus Esprit and the? Maserati-models,but more important are for me
? ? ? functionality and the best response is the? Max Mueller Friedrich car-Idea DE2335220,
? ? ? the last page shall be ignored("Riesen-UFO",somebody could get headache!).
« Last Edit: January 22, 2006, 08:41:49 PM by lancaIV »

Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 07:43:46 AM »
Overunity - maybe.  Simple... it ain't.  ;)

Here are some questions to answer before you take apart your lawnmower.

1. A lawn mower makes electricity already to fire the plug to burn the gas.  IF you converted it to run on hydrogen - would it take less voltage to burn the hydrogen?

2. Turning a generator with the mower motor will put a drag on the mower... that will decrease the voltage and cause a stall.  Will the drag be more than the tall grass that stalls the mower while mowing?

3. Can you 'make' hydrogen out of the air or water?

4. How much electricity to make the hydrogen?  (see #2)

The internal combustion motor is just not the way to go.  If this idea is going to make it out of the 'half-baked' forum... you need to consider using a 'quasi-turbine motor' (google search) which is similiar to a rotary motor.  Compression will burn the fuel (like a diesel)... no need for wasting voltage on the spark.  :)
That's the first thing.
Secondly... if you can make hydrogen easily and cheaply then who would really worry about overunity?  Just doing that and using the right motor to turn a generator would mean cheap and clean electricity.

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Offline raburgeson

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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2006, 07:29:18 PM »
Maybe, ask you a simple question though. Lawn engines are vertical shaft and hydrogen fuel=water for exhaust. Don't you think it would be better to use a horz. shaft engine, it might be less suceptable to getting water introduced into the oil. A horizonal piston stroke quickly wears the cylinder egg shaped and even quicker still when the cylinders lubrication is contaminated. What the hay, I may not know what I'm talking about. Let's here from some others, I would think dieseling would not be possible with hydrogen because the engines actually work different. Hydrogen would detonate not burn delivering pure detonation damage.  You will be trying to preform a clean smooth burning of the fuel I think.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2006, 03:15:01 AM by raburgeson »

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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2006, 01:38:12 AM »
i agree with horiz shaft. and disagree with mr. oswald (sorry) the alt will put out between 14.5 and 18 v of electricity which can be passed through a converter (like what you use to run a tv in your car) extracting hydrogen from water can take as little as 12v leaving some left to charge a battery. using a higher HP motor (at least a 5 horse up to 17.5 (riding mower)) the spark is not waisted and more than one alt/gen can be hooked up if you use a riding mower! make sure to detach all non assentials and go!...... the exsaust (water) whould be run (through filter) to the water storage tank. see my first topic on hydrogen from water fro ideas on a system that rewuires very liitle input and has very high output. for higher rpms on your motor (to get high output from your alt/gen(s) weld a one inch pully to a three inch pully and attach the one inch to the crank via belt... then the alt/gen(s) attach to the three inch pully via belt (use one inch pully on alt/gen(s)) **** the alt/gen(s) sill turn three times faster than the crank**** this will result in lower motor strain and fuel consumption. 

keep in mind that a car alt is capable of powering more than one 12v system.. you can use one (total) system to power up to (but not limited to) three other systems. **** in other words**** three generaters running off of one generator for power leaving the final three powerplants free of burden or dranage other than what you are using the powerplants for.

look at the attached image for basic rpm increasing

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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2006, 01:47:01 AM »
thaught i should add i dont completely disagree with you mr oswald i do agree the int comb engine is less effective but we are talking rednecking it.... making something out of houshold parts... really how many of us have a 'quasi-turbine motor' laying in the back yard?......  :) really i do think that a more up to date engine would be more productive but at the same time it is quite impossable for most people.

danny

Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2006, 07:21:41 AM »
No need to explain.  I have no problem being disagreed with.  :)

My thinking is that - of course you could generate electricity with a lawnmower.  It would at least turn a generator if you connected one.  Actually you could build your own out of magnets from old hard drives form computers... There are some guys who build wind mills and turn generators made out of old brake drums and magnets.
This would work on a riding mower or a push.

So you would have a homemade generator that you could build for free - assuming you had an old lawnmower with a rusted deck you were trashing anyways.  Of course it would not be as efficient as a store bought model... but it's free.

And - maybe it wouldn't be dangerous or too costly to build the device to produce, capture and store the gas.

But even if you could rig that up for free... You'd have to convince me that you'd generate enough electricity to make the hydrogen... much less have any left to use to power anything else.
If a 9hp generator produces 4000w - all you need to know is how much hydrogen you would need to run the mower an hour... and then calculate the power needed to produce the hydrogen... and subtract from 4000w.
My bet is that it takes more than 4000w to generate the hydrogen to run a 9hp generator at for an hour.
In that case, you're better off with the homemade gas generator.

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Offline lltfdaniel1

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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2006, 11:25:36 AM »
well i know lawn mowers are 2-stroke, so bleh that won't work, (decided not to change since, you know they r , and where will the oil come from , :-D)

what about a 1000cc engine , to run a generator,

i know you can convert hydrogen , with little or no power,

expand, expand and it never stops (seeking) ,

simple , like 2 triangles that make a star , but if you mimic copy it without understanding then its a muck.


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Re: A Simple Overunity
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2009, 09:54:54 PM »
lltfdaniel1 said:
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convert a Lawn mower into a Generator (Lawn Mower to generator). - DIRT CHEAP and Use an alternator.

>>Is the lawn mower running a electric motor already?  (They exist in America.)  AC motors can be used as AC generators as well.  You didn't specify.

If not, what is your startup energy source?  Several solar panels to a DC motor would require startup costs, but would also be simple---in principal---to arrange construction for.

Re-edit:
I saw your drawing above.  This, as you presented it, to me, looks like a roto-verter setup. 

But without the slack straps to wheels.  The roto-verter is said to operate efficiently when there's some slack in the system, yes?   Yours reminds me of that.


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