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New Battery systems => Other new battery systems => Topic started by: callanan on November 08, 2008, 12:49:55 AM
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Hi All,
Please see the following. Simple to build with common off the shelf components and appears to charge batteries very well. Derived from the work of Dr. Stiffler and John Bedini.
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
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Hi!
Thanks!
I like the work of drstiffler.
Does that circuit can be changed to self charge?
Jesus
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Hi All,
Please see the following. Simple to build with common off the shelf components and appears to charge batteries very well. Derived from the work of Dr. Stiffler and John Bedini.
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
Hi All,
Sorry but the circuit diagram first posted is incorrect and is apparent in the breadboard picture. The following is correct.
Regards,
Ossie
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:)
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This must be a private joke, right?
Looks to me like if the transistor was removed the charging battery would charge to the supply battery less (Vdiode) and all the transistor is doing is wasting energy when it conducts.
I see no gain here and actually a big loss. Why are you connecting Dr. Stiffler to this half wave lossy switch?
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This must be a private joke, right?
Looks to me like if the transistor was removed the charging battery would charge to the supply battery less (Vdiode) and all the transistor is doing is wasting energy when it conducts.
I see no gain here and actually a big loss. Why are you connecting Dr. Stiffler to this half wave lossy switch?
Sorry to have wasted your time and offend you by mentioning Dr. Stiffler regarding what I have presented DrSimon. Judging from the overall response, you have helped me make up my mind to no longer post anything here...
Regards,
Ossie
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Sorry to have wasted your time and offend you by mentioning Dr. Stiffler regarding what I have presented DrSimon. Judging from the overall response, you have helped me make up my mind to no longer post anything here...
@callanon
Why should you be put off by a comment from someone who does not know what he is talking about? On the other hand you could help this new commer by teaching him.
Regards
AM
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This must be a private joke, right?
Looks to me like if the transistor was removed the charging battery would charge to the supply battery less (Vdiode) and all the transistor is doing is wasting energy when it conducts.
I see no gain here and actually a big loss. Why are you connecting Dr. Stiffler to this half wave lossy switch?
Hi "Simon" Says,
And what have you tried lately?
Keep at it Ossie!
Ben
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@callanan
I dont know what happened but I tried your new circuit and it did not work properly. It outputs less than input. I also made an identical circuit and put the output of one to the input of the other, but what happened was that the two batteries runned down very quick. I used 9volts batteries for the test though.
Any suggestions?
I found a drstiffler's circuit and made a change on yours with the same results. A graphic is included.
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Potential innovation presented.
Presenter 'offended' by remark from newby.
Presenter citing umberage leaves forum = Groundhog Day.
The cycle of bait and switch on this forum continues, which in itself could qualify as perpetual motion.
Regards...
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So this way the oscillator circuit can work !
BECAUS NOW an feedback couplimg is in, so that can oszillator.
(The 10uH Choke di this betwenn Emitter and ground.
(can also replaced wit an resistor 500 to 1000 ohms)
ATTENTION- the last Circuit have THE SAME MISTAKE that ist possibly
(all) from Dr Stifflers not good "out-worked" designs
The frequency will be an function of the 150pf Condensor + 10uH choke...
The condensor can be variable to variate or trimming
exacly the frequncy
If used an variable condensor (from AM Transistor receiver crap)-----
The last circuit(down of this) comes me stranger,
because in first trap /oscillator is not an choke or
resistor im Emitter Wirering THAT IS NEED ,
so this oscillator cant work ! (see the first circuit
as reference.)
So, IF this POSSIBLY work (after modification), you will be using to "onmittimg" D4 D6 D8,
because there are un-need , because D3 D5 D7 give the neede way for the polarity.
(if not other "mysterios" gohst are working in this circuit , dto do
strangers things, that are out the electronic rules.
Pese
I seen long ago this error in design from callan, an i wonder that
no ONE let know, the basic, to modify this.
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@pese
There are three circuits on the graphic. The first one is callanan's, the one beside it is my trial second circuit, the one at the botton is a circuit I found on a thread. Its title was something like "circuit for videos 10 and 10.1"
I dont know who did it.
By the way the second circuit does not work with the 10uh to ground, it only works if you eliminate it.
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So this way the oscillator circuit can work !
BECAUS NOW an feedback couplimg is in, so that can oszillator.
(The 10uH Choke di this betwenn Emitter and ground.
(can also replaced wit an resistor 500 to 1000 ohms)
ATTENTION- the last Circuit have THE SAME MISTAKE that ist possibly
(all) from Dr Stifflers not good "out-worked" designs
The frequency will be an function of the 150pf Condensor + 10uH choke...
The condensor can be variable to variate or trimming
exacly the frequncy
If used an variable condensor (from AM Transistor receiver crap)-----
The last circuit(down of this) comes me stranger,
because in first trap /oscillator is not an choke or
resistor im Emitter Wirering THAT IS NEED ,
so this oscillator cant work ! (see the first circuit
as reference.)
So, IF this POSSIBLY work (after modification), you will be using to "onmittimg" D4 D6 D8,
because there are un-need , because D3 D5 D7 give the neede way for the polarity.
(if not other "mysterios" gohst are working in this circuit , dto do
strangers things, that are out the electronic rules.
Pese
I seen long ago this error in design from callan, an i wonder that
no ONE let know, the basic, to modify this.
pese;
I can see from the number of posts you have made you are a real talker, to damn bad you don't know what you are saying in this context. Maybe if you left off the cryptic non-english you would come across better. GEE! the circuit you state as not working does indeed work, stop talking and read more, there are many replicators.
@All
Boy! Dr. Simon works with me dudes. He is not some sluff off. Typical knee jerk reaction from you all. No wonder I think this site is full of dysfunctional people.
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@drstiffler
Thank you for the aclaration.
By the way, I have been trying to get one of your sec circuits. Do you have any left?
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The 2 posters who like to let everyone know how "intelligent" they are with their 'Dr." designations would do well to go back to school to learn how to communicate with their fellow human with a little respect.
Outwardly...somene posted an innovation combining the ideas of others, which he thought was worthwhile...he offered up his idea for free to everyone, and received disrespect and derision.
The terms "sluff off" and "dysfunctional" apply more to the poster that his projected targets...I might also throw in arrogant.
You may know a little more than the majority here(whether you have gleened you knowledge from another is open to speculation, but your arrogance towards others here renders you irrelevant.
The road to alternate energy has many lanes...the way I see it your attitude places you in the breakdown lane of life.
Your remarks to Pese are totally uncalled for...I have never saw thet member disrespectfully regard another member...the same cannt be said for you.
Something I have learned from others, and try to practice daily in my life is 'The Golden Rule'...'Treat others as you yourself wish to be treated'.
Regards...
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The 2 posters who like to let everyone know how "intelligent" they are with their 'Dr." designations would do well to go back to school to learn how to communicate with their fellow human with a little respect.
Outwardly...somene posted an innovation combining the ideas of others, which he thought was worthwhile...he offered up his idea for free to everyone, and received disrespect and derision.
The terms "sluff off" and "dysfunctional" apply more to the poster that his projected targets...I might also throw in arrogant.
You may know a little more than the majority here(whether you have gleened you knowledge from another is open to speculation, but your arrogance towards others here renders you irrelevant.
The road to alternate energy has many lanes...the way I see it your attitude places you in the breakdown lane of life.
Your remarks to Pese are totally uncalled for...I have never saw thet member disrespectfully regard another member...the same cannt be said for you.
Something I have learned from others, and try to practice daily in my life is 'The Golden Rule'...'Treat others as you yourself wish to be treated'.
Regards...
REALLY!
I always thought that to get a point across one had to communicate at the level of te person(s) one was communicating with?
So? did I not get to your level???
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Cool down people, let the bad stuff go by you
I just looked in here and from what has been posted here I cant tell which circuit Dr stiffler says does work.
Dr?
I have many battery banks to try this on
Thanks
Lindsay
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@mannix
By the way, which one is the one that works?
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@pese
There are three circuits on the graphic. The first one is callanan's, the one beside it is my trial second circuit, the one at the botton is a circuit I found on a thread. Its title was something like "circuit for videos 10 and 10.1"
I dont know who did it.
By the way the second circuit does not work with the 10uh to ground, it only works if you eliminate it.
This from Tread Nov 07 must not work
near sam scematic from today, must work. becaus the feadback ofer LC vrom Emitter to Base of the transistor.
BUT als the same "mistake (no feedback , thats need for start oszilaataion. ) is done
in the circuit from "today" with the MPSA-06 transistor
Pese
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" Cool down people, let the bad stuff go by you "
I understand your point Mx.
A lot of that stuff has passed by me...as if on a conveyor belt on the good Dr's thread.
I remained silent out of territorial respect.
However, those who enter other threads with ego governing conduct, to the point where they cause a disruption in the dissemination of possibly important information which is of interest to me, my attention is warranted.
Any hybrid of a concept of mine and someone else - is of no concern of mine or that 'someone else'.
It is the sole concern, only of the developer of the hybrid.
Regards...
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@pese
Do you have a schematic of what you are saying?
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Hi Folks,
dispite all different opinions/experiences etc. :
I have tested Dr. Stifflers circuit presented here by nievesoliveras ( the one with emitter connected directly to the ground) for days in different configurations... and I have to tell you : it works fine. I had experience for years with a similar oscillator I developed and up until now I could not figure out exactly why it worked.
Now especially the latest circuit with very low inductance ( 2 - 3 myHenry ) at the 470 pF to the base starts at very low supply-levels. I came down to 2.5 Volt and had a very good puls of about 40 to 50 Volts at the collector.
From a technically viewpoint of a well educated electronic professional this circuit seems strange but the main point here is that circuits which produce ( working in a non-linear mode) puls-trains like this are strictly forbidden ( holy sinus ) and must be avoided under any circumstances - for obvious reasons because the wide spectrum disturbes other communication-systems. ( Military doesnt care- they do what they want )
So I hope I could clarify this here for all to calm down. I have not tested the circuit of callanan - but I would suggest to use a 2N2222 with high hfe ( > 200 ) because the BD139 has a different base-emitter-capacity, needs higher current to start working and is not suitable for a self starting oscillator but more apted for an amplifier.
@ nievesoliveras : do you have the means to measure the hfe of your BD139 ?
Now folks lets start all over again.
Regards
Kator01
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@kator1
The only test equipment I have is one digital tester and one analog tester.
The digital is from cen tech model p30756.
The analog is from radio shack it is a small one and does not have model number.
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fuck, must be a full moon today. Oh wait, it is...supermoon even...fine i'll grant that to everyone for their lack of cyber-mannerisms. :)
have we reached a new low on the OU forums with this thread, where people are singled out because of their language barrier and put into an inept category or something?
naturally I am not relying (or holding my breath) on Stefan Hartmann to do anything about it because he is as inept in running these forums as a moderator, as the rest of you who are slamming on basic human rights and privileges, of being treated with respect and dignity.
Dr. Stiffler, shame on you to belittle a person in a way you did because they do not speak English language as proficiently as you do.
regardless if you are from Zimbabwe or England, the quest is the same for all in here, this petty bickering leads nowhere and should be left for the street or the pub (or not even there) - go take a cold shower and come back...
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Hi All,
Well having all these responses, good or bad, has at least made me think that there maybe some people out there willing to do some work for the benefit of all regardless if it is to prove that this circuit works or not in regard to charging batteries better than conventional charging methods. Keep it up and I will try to as well...
Regards,
Ossie
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@pese
Do you have a schematic of what you are saying?
Even if i post working or modified circuit.
Collections of Circuits from my Link-collection.
It will not possibe (on this way) to have an overunity gain.
(I am also worked and prof. knowledges in RF And Radio amateur exeriences)
If some LED or Neons-tube will light up from RF Radiation - ITS ALSO NOT
OVERUNITY... It is the wrong way. even if the Oscillator strting.
To catch RF from all Bands (ranges, that comes from Univers. bring with this
some oszillator oder material in his resonance, and divide that frequencies tu
frequencies that can be used, in motors or resistiv loads, than (possibly) wie
find (not free) but existing (now unknow) energies.
I have not the "key" of it.
Pese
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fuck, must be a full moon today. Oh wait, it is...supermoon even...fine i'll grant that to everyone for their lack of cyber-mannerisms. :)
have we reached a new low on the OU forums with this thread, where people are singled out because of their language barrier and put into an inept category or something?
naturally I am not relying (or holding my breath) on Stefan Hartmann to do anything about it because he is as inept in running these forums as a moderator, as the rest of you who are slamming on basic human rights and privileges, of being treated with respect and dignity.
Dr. Stiffler, shame on you to belittle a person in a way you did because they do not speak English language as proficiently as you do.
regardless if you are from Zimbabwe or England, the quest is the same for all in here, this petty bickering leads nowhere and should be left for the street or the pub (or not even there) - go take a cold shower and come back...
!Really!
Where is it written that (I) must stand up to months of 'BS' from dysfunctional people and can not respond in kind??????????
I no longer collect a check from anyone, 'DUDE' I am doing research on my 'DIME' to try to help the less advantaged...........
In difference to silly people like the 'PROFESSOR' who has some Freudian hang up. I have never expected to make a nickel from my work.
So if all you "" are happy with your "", please continue to pay your energy bills and taxes as is expected and designed by your respective handlers.
Really I feel very bad that the world society has produced this. What a shame indeed.
Gentleman I wish you well, for you all do indeed need it.
Dr. Stiffler
BTW I was freely giving, but gee you could not understand and accept, because all you could do was mouth off and pad yourselves on your back seeing you little words in public print.
God Help The Human Race........... As He is Indeed the Only One That Stands A Chance........................
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Find another "dysfunctional" forum to air your vitriol Stiffler.
This thread housed none of your imaginary "months of 'BS' from dysfunctional people"...you barged in here without prompt spewing insults at everyone in this forum.
Seriously...there is something not right with you...but your ego is such that it will not let you see what others are seeing.
Time to move on...for everybody.
I'm glad the thread originator has been encouraged to return...and we all wuld like very much to see this topic develop unhindered by further display of ego and oneupmanship.
Regards...
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http://homepages.internet.lu/absolute3/tronic/defaulte.htm
Here the best english german URL that i found ,
Scematics specially Osziillator you find in any technologies
Pese
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@all
I had been having troubles with connecting to the forum, but it seems that they are banished.
I will keep trying to find a means to self charge a 1.5v battery to move a wind generator when there is no wind.
@pese
Thank you pese for the link. I will explore it soon.
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!Really!
Where is it written that (I) must stand up to months of 'BS' from dysfunctional people and can not respond in kind??????????
I no longer collect a check from anyone, 'DUDE' I am doing research on my 'DIME' to try to help the less advantaged...........
In difference to silly people like the 'PROFESSOR' who has some Freudian hang up. I have never expected to make a nickel from my work.
So if all you "" are happy with your "", please continue to pay your energy bills and taxes as is expected and designed by your respective handlers.
Really I feel very bad that the world society has produced this. What a shame indeed.
Gentleman I wish you well, for you all do indeed need it.
Dr. Stiffler
BTW I was freely giving, but gee you could not understand and accept, because all you could do was mouth off and pad yourselves on your back seeing you little words in public print.
God Help The Human Race........... As He is Indeed the Only One That Stands A Chance........................
Dr.Stiffler,
It's written in your head, or maybe not, perhaps you slept through that lesson on humility, decency and basic respect between human beings.
If we are supposed to be accepting only on your terms what you are "freely" giving then you can keep it to yourself. While in the process maybe you want to look up "altruism" in the dictionary and then reflect upon its meaning until it's clear...
And don't you "dude" me, use that on your doctor buddies there. I have utmost respect for your experience and knowledge but that does not mean that you can walk over other people because of it. You will not receive any pity from me, and it seems others will not give you any either, for you appear to have plenty of self-pity already.
That "better than others" attitude is what got us into this whole mess at the first place. For as long as there are people out there who think they are better or more entitled to something than others, humanity will struggle, be divided and ruled by one or more "handlers".
When you are ready to re-integrate into the rest of the society, you're welcome to come back, we'll be here...
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Very astutely worded amigo.
I rather doubt he will be back though.
But you know...if he did come back, a changed person, all would be bygone in my book.
When it comes down to it, like yourself and many others here - all I am interested in a positive outcome.
Regards...
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Dr Stiffler is one cool dude !!
THANKYOU FOR SHARING YOUR HARD WORK DOC!!
Getting O.U. and sharing it
Thanks Dr Stiffler
Chet
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Very astutely worded amigo.
I rather doubt he will be back though.
But you know...if he did come back, a changed person, all would be bygone in my book.
When it comes down to it, like yourself and many others here - all I am interested in a positive outcome.
Regards...
Hi Cap-Z-ro,
I am really not holding a grudge against Doc or anybody else, but certain things boil my noodle to the point I can't just let it be. Doc's entitled to his opinion but we all need to have some manners when dealing with each other. Just because pese, or anyone else for that matter, does not write perfect English should not be a reason to be insulting about it.
Hopefully we can now go back to Ossie's circuit and the subject at hand...
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Hi All,
Please see the following:
- All inductors are 0.9mm enamel wire wound ten turns tight on 85mm diameter plastic form.
- Circuit is the same as was previously shown except that there are 10 x 1N4148 diodes twisted in parallel.
- All components remain at room temperature.
- Use large batteries as it works far better and creates more energy using large batteries >200CCA.
- 270CCA Starter batteries are shown below in the picture of the device and setup.
- Allow whole setup to stay in same position and do not move or be disconnected for a full charging cycle.
- Circuit input current can be from 50-150ma with 100ma being the average.
- Starter batteries are prefered with this device because they do not drop in voltage as much as deep cycle batteries when discharging.
This device has been designed with lower impedance in mind and performs extremly well. Use the tester as shown in the circuit and pictures to determine if the circuit is working properly. If the circuit is working correctly the neon bulb on the tester will light when you momentarily touch the circuit at the test point indicated on the circuit.
Regards,
Ossie
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@callanan
Does the running battery receive any charge back with this coils?
PS
Also I made the circuit as the second circuit post and when I tried to connect a small motor in place of the charging battery it did not work. When I removed the 10uh to ground, then the motor began to spin.
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@calanan
instead of neon you can use also an Voltmeter in the testcircuits.
i done 50 years ago an diode to the input plug that bo in te meter
(2 or 20volt range).
So i i tested only co comes in bear from ansmall transitter, i can
see the rectified DC on meter. if i tuch with ONE cable on Oszillator
stage i ca see any small workink of it.
But all this will not help you - to becomes more out - as the suply deliver.
GP
(I done this with analog meters, (an Germaniumdiode 1N34 1N60 OA90 enz)
Cants say , if Digitalmeters will workk in same configation fine)
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ALL,
Please take note of the coils position in Ossie's pix, this will provide some coupling and will impact the operation of the circuit.
Ossie, can you edit the pix and indicate which coil is which relative to the schematic? I feel this will assist those in replicating your design and to get the same results. Just trying to be supportive.
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Yes, and probably the winding sense of the coils normally also counts for an oscillator, so it would help also to place a dot for each coil starting wire connection. Or is it not important in this case I wonder?
Thanks, Gyula
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Ossie my friend :),
very happy to see you ;D... it's been a while ;)
I can see this is a HOT topic and I thank you for the bottom of my heart for the effort to start it and mostly to continue it with your new proposed circuit.
I'm away from home till Nov. 27th so I can't do a replication now but I will once I return.
Thanks for sharing mate
Luc
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Ossie my friend :),
very happy to see you ;D... it's been a while ;)
I can see this is a HOT topic and I thank you for the bottom of my heart for the effort to start it and mostly to continue it with your new proposed circuit.
I'm away from home till Nov. 27th so I can't do a replication now but I will once I return.
Thanks for sharing mate
Luc
Hi Luc,
I hope you are well and I share your view that it is important for people to share openly their work with these technologies in these forums for the benifit of all.
I would like to also point out that the circuit I have come up with and presented was said to be derived from the work of Dr. Stiffler and John Bedini for a reason. The reason is that I now believe that true or pure Radiant Energy is made up of very many different frequencies. Just like the white light that the sun generates that is the source of energy for everything. It is also the form of energy that is developed by the circuits and devices of Dr. Stiffler. What I have done with this circuit is to be able to generate this true form of radiant energy and then direct it to charge a battery. Using radiant energy to charge a battery is clearly the work of John Bedini as everyone should well know by now. So this is why I have stated that I have come up with this circuit and device but it has been derived from the work of Dr. Stiffler and John Bedini.
Regards,
Ossie
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@all
I think that each coil takes the place of an inductor. That is take out one 10uh and put in its place a coil.
Jesus
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@all
I think that each coil takes the place of an inductor. That is take out one 10uh and put in its place a coil.
Jesus
Jesus! A coil is an inductor.... ;)
Ossie
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@callanan
You are right!!! Forgive me I am just learning electronics now. My first contact with electronics was with the bedini motor a year ago.
I am learning fast. Because I need to get a selfrunner done.
Jesus
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Hi Luc,
I hope you are well and I share your view that it is important for people to share openly their work with these technologies in these forums for the benifit of all.
I would like to also point out that the circuit I have come up with and presented was said to be derived from the work of Dr. Stiffler and John Bedini for a reason. The reason is that I now believe that true or pure Radiant Energy is made up of very many different frequencies. Just like the white light that the sun generates that is the source of energy for everything. It is also the form of energy that is developed by the circuits and devices of Dr. Stiffler. What I have done with this circuit is to be able to generate this true form of radiant energy and then direct it to charge a battery. Using radiant energy to charge a battery is clearly the work of John Bedini as everyone should well know by now. So this is why I have stated that I have come up with this circuit and device but it has been derived from the work of Dr. Stiffler and John Bedini.
Regards,
Ossie
Thanks Ossie for the reply ;)
We are truly blessed to have the shared work of John Bedini and now Dr Stiffler for our use in new circuits. It help so much when we don't need to reinvent the wheel each time we have an idea ;D. We must learn to appreciate and recognize as you have done Ossie this most essential ground work since without it we have nothing and will gain nothing.
I have much hope we can all work together and further the circuit you are proposing. I have seen some excellent group participation in the water fuel topic which has gone further than I ever expected and is still developing.
I'm confident that you have found a worthy effect to study since you are making the effort to share it.
@everyone... Yes, it is an effort to do this and we should be grateful. So let us post only what will help develop what is being shared here and keep the rest to ourselves since the starting point of a new topic is most important.
Myself, I lost touch with Ossie's great research skills after not being able to understand a new experiment direction.he proposed. I ask you all to help if you can, as success will come when we work as a team. Even though I'm away from home I will see if I can find an electronic component store here and see if I can pickup the needed supplies to replicate Ossie's proposed circuit and share what I find.
Thank you Ossie and all for sharing.
Luc
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Hi Ossie and everyone,
well I tried to find a electronic component store in St. Petersburg, Florida and found none that sell small quantities other than Radio Shack and they have nothing compared to what they use to. They don't even carry enamel magnet wire anymore ???
No BD139 and no 150pf
the diodes and resistor they had.
They had a MPS2222A and a 100pf so I took them. Do you think I can still test using these Ossie? if so, do I need to change the wire turns?
Thanks
Luc
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@Ossie: thanks for posting your stuff!
I see clear similarities with the "old" Bedini chargers,
but I like the way you use the seperate coils instead
of the transformer/electromagnet in his motor/chargers.
How efficient is this setup in charging the batteries, if I may ask?
(Can you fully charge 2 empty batteries from one full battery,
or is the ratio in:out something like 1:1.5, or what is it?
I ask because I have heard people descibe all kinds of
ratios, from just barely 1:1.1 to 1:2. :) )
keep up the good work!
kind regards,
Koen
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@Ossie: thanks for posting your stuff!
I see clear similarities with the "old" Bedini chargers,
but I like the way you use the seperate coils instead
of the transformer/electromagnet in his motor/chargers.
How efficient is this setup in charging the batteries, if I may ask?
(Can you fully charge 2 empty batteries from one full battery,
or is the ratio in:out something like 1:1.5, or what is it?
I ask because I have heard people descibe all kinds of
ratios, from just barely 1:1.1 to 1:2. :) )
keep up the good work!
kind regards,
Koen
Hi Koen,
There are too many variabilities to be able to give any sort of figures so I am just sticking to saying that I can increase the charge of both batteries by swapping. But because these circuits are working at HF & VHF frequencies, virtually everything will effect their performance. This is why I think Dr.S wants to make protoboards for people to simply prevent the variable of results from people making their own setups and then claim they don't work.
The similarities between Dr.S' ESEC and Bedini's RE battery chargers goes further. Dr.S is showing how he can now measure OU in a 3F capacitor in 111 seconds. Bedini always said that his RE chargers would charge a capacitor such that when discharged into a battery, it would charge the battery with more energy over time than what was required to power the charger. So I believe the next step for these wideband oscillators would be to charge a large capacitor as Dr.S has demonstrated, but then discharge it into a battery which is classic Bedini. After the battery has been charged, the energy can then be used as normal from the battery without effecting the OU operation of the oscillator circuit.
The reason why we would do this is because the very low impedance of the battery makes it a bad match for collecting the energy directly from the oscillator circuit. By charging a capacitor with the oscillator and then discharging the capacitor into the battery at specific intervals, we overcome the impedance mismatch between the oscillator and the battery and get a great deal more energy into the battery. I am working on this at the moment.
Regards,
Ossie
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Hi Luc,
this is strange. A few days ago I was shopping downtown in munich ( germany ) for getting some enameld mag-wire.
Luc, same thing, they told me, it is very hard to get it at all. Now how does this fit in with what I have posted about this
accumulation of scap because of the breakdown of chinese factories ?
I go now to my dump and try to get every old transformer I can put my hands on. Tt is hard work but here you will get your enameld wire. And do´nt throw away the iron-core-filaments.
Kator01
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Yes Kator01, the World is becoming a strange place :-\
I rarely by buy new! I always pick-up CRT monitor, Microwaves, TV's and stuff when I see them on the side of the road and strip all I can to reuse. it's just now I'm not at home and would of like to build this and test but it may have to wait until I return :(
Luc
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Hi Koen,
There are too many variabilities to be able to give any sort of figures so I am just sticking to saying that I can increase the charge of both batteries by swapping. But because these circuits are working at HF & VHF frequencies, virtually everything will effect their performance. This is why I think Dr.S wants to make protoboards for people to simply prevent the variable of results from people making their own setups and then claim they don't work.
The similarities between Dr.S' ESEC and Bedini's RE battery chargers goes further. Dr.S is showing how he can now measure OU in a 3F capacitor in 111 seconds. Bedini always said that his RE chargers would charge a capacitor such that when discharged into a battery, it would charge the battery with more energy over time than what was required to power the charger. So I believe the next step for these wideband oscillators would be to charge a large capacitor as Dr.S has demonstrated, but then discharge it into a battery which is classic Bedini. After the battery has been charged, the energy can then be used as normal from the battery without effecting the OU operation of the oscillator circuit.
The reason why we would do this is because the very low impedance of the battery makes it a bad match for collecting the energy directly from the oscillator circuit. By charging a capacitor with the oscillator and then discharging the capacitor into the battery at specific intervals, we overcome the impedance mismatch between the oscillator and the battery and get a great deal more energy into the battery. I am working on this at the moment.
Regards,
Ossie
Some times the simplest of things are the hardest to obtain.
Getting excess energy is without doubt not simple, yet the big problem is in what and how to use it. The charge on the large storage caps is indeed fascinating, but now what? Because the ESEC and SEC Exciters are at such a high impedance at the output, they rapidly drop from gain to unity and below very fast when anything is attached. This is the primary reason I have always insisted that instrumentation not be connected to the outputs during operation.
Now having said that, it is problematic in how to take the energy from multiple caps driven by multiple ESEC's and do something like Ossie has stated (dump into a battery) for conventional use.
I have had little success in solid state switching. To date the relay seems to be the present choice, but this is sad indeed. A ring of Exciters connected to relays and a sequencer to switch them into a battery system. Is this not high tech to low tech?
I designed the ESEC circuits in the way they are for the simple reason that they charge the cap and when charged as far as they can, the exciter shuts down (stops oscillating). This is designed in so that a current monitor can be used in the primary supply line for sensing when the cap is charged. This removed the need to connect monitor circuits across the caps. Yet problems still exist, you do not want multiple caps switched into the load at the same time, this should be simple to understand. So we need a control means to only allow one fully charged cap to dump at any one time.
Relays are fine to show the concept, but unless you are running the high gain ESEC's you use all you obtain in the control circuits.
I would welcome anyone to offer an idea on how to do this, oh, even with the relays you need very short leads or at least a two stage filter right off the cap (ferrite's). It would appear that for every problem solved a new one appears.
If anyone wants the Overunity Prize, use relays and a 4 watt ESEC, Stephen will have to go to the bank and get you the funds.
Dr.S.
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Ok, thanks for the feedback guys :)
Guess I'll just have to study the work you have been doing some more ;)
Let's see what comes from the "Young effect" thread eh?
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@drstiffler
If anyone wants the Overunity Prize, use relays and a 4 watt ESEC, Stephen will have to go to the bank and get you the funds.
Dr.S.
I am not interested on the prize, but I am really interested on using a battery as small as 1.5volts or as big as a 9volt to move a small motor, and at the same time feed some charge to the running battery.
My question is: Is it posible to do that with the 4watt esec you mention here?
Jesus
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@drstiffler
I am not interested on the prize, but I am really interested on using a battery as small as 1.5volts or as big as a 9volt to move a small motor, and at the same time feed some charge to the running battery.
My question is: Is it posible to do that with the 4watt esec you mention here?
Jesus
@nievesoliveras
Not wanting to put my foot in my mouth, I don't know. With a ESEC running with an input of 10V@60mA starting and ending at 10V@20mA in less than 111 seconds charge (30sec to be exact) a 3F cap to 21.09J give or take, so you do the math on what multiple ESEC's or a larger 4W input(start) can do. The figures given are for an ESEC(1) as shown on my web site. One thing to note that is very important is that increasing the voltage on a ESEC(1) will not increase the excess energy. In fact there is a narrow range where the additional capture is found.
Might talk to Ossie on his circuit and see what it will do. As I have stated, my use of the energy has been limited to Heat Production and I have had multiple problems with certain types of batteries.
I have had little success in direct charge of LA and NiCd, although NiMH has shown some promise.
My direction so far is direct conversion to usable DC (direct) or to the production of Heat.
Dr.S.
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@drstiffler
I am new to electronics and its formulas, that by the way are many and intricate. But I have been reading here and on your web site in order to catch on.
Eventually, If the lord so desires, I will learn. In the meantime I will just keep browsing and reading here and there.
Thank you.
Jesus
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@drstiffler
Perhaps if you replace the final output inductor with a transformer of the right inductance you can isolate
the output from the circuit to keep it oscillating.
And then draw the output current from the other side of the transformer.
I have been testing different circuit concepts using the following circuit simulator applet, and found that
using a transformer sometimes solves this very type of problem.
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
The load on the other side of the transformer doesn't have the same effect on the rest of the circuit as a direct connection does.
I don't have a copy of the latest SEC built yet so I can't do any testing.
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im looking at this curcuit as a simple desulfator circuit. The 2 battery set up is doable and looks like it would work (i have not tested yet) however a one battery solution would be better, perhaps we could work out how to add a part to the following diagram in the red circle to block undesired flow? or maybe the circuit needs to be largely redone? the way i see it we need to block spikes or sudden changes in power yet allow steady constant or semi constant flow from the battery. the issue is that there is not only a large spike to worry about but many smaller spikes and we want to keep them forced through the battery which a suitable return path is allso needed. a simple diode could provide the return path at a cost of another .7v which seems like a waste. another inductor at the red circle may direct the large pulse through the battery but there will be some losses. any suggestions?
imagin a bedini style charger that uses one battery only!
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i have designed the same circuit as shown in attachment, working good, but i want to upgrade it to the next level, i have 10 batteries 150 Ah per battery.
i did a little alternation (below) to the circuit can it work? if not then please guide me how to gain more power.
(http://s15.postimage.org/41ef8qvk7/With_Coils2_01_01.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/41ef8qvk7/)
or
http://s15.postimage.org/qq3m8bcy3/With_Coils2_01_01.jpg
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The dual version should work lancerdoom, but I would recommend you change the diodes to 1N4007's or something with even higher breakdown voltage. The 1N4007 breakdown voltage is 1000V.
.99
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Golly Poynty,
Are you in the race for Stephan's prize too? Seems a bit odd. :o And why aren't you alerting these brave souls to the existence of your own prize? I believe you've more or less thrashed out the terms by now? Your hands on involvement here seems somewhat inappropriate if it means you get the first working demonstration and walk off with both your prize and Stephan's.
Regards,
R
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what is the difference between 35Khz battery charger circuit and 4Mhz radiant battery charger.
is 4mhz more powerful than 35Khz ?
how much 4mhz battery charger takes time to charge 100ah battery?
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Another worthwhile battery charger with Bedini-like characteristics here:
http://www.overunity.com/4057/12v-60a-car-battery-maybe-dead/ (http://www.overunity.com/4057/12v-60a-car-battery-maybe-dead/)
Produces very interesting sharp voltage spikes with interesting results when used to power small motors. Also a good battery desulfator and charger.
GL made a few improvements after the 1st version he posts.
Bob
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Dear lancerdoom, are You tried your proposal at work? I am trying to make something as you propose.... No results yet, but I am hope to finish at next week, later I will show the diagram ...