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Title: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 01, 2005, 10:41:14 PM
Hi All,
did somebody attend the latest Newman press conference recently ?
There was also said to to be some announcement tobe airedabout him
in the Canadian TV.
Do did somebody watch this and post a summary please ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: vcrepair on April 02, 2005, 05:41:49 PM
Some one did attend the Joe Newman "press conference" in Washington DC a few days ago.

In brief, when they asked Joe questions he got mad and physically assualted them.

No  ACTUAL TEST results that prove "overunity" for Newman's "motor" where ever posted.
See www.josephnewman.com to see what Joe or Evan Soule' said about it.

But just try to get an answer to simple questions "How much power input"?
How much power output or torque and RPM?" 

Evan  Soule just obfuscates and claims that is only answered for investors. ;-=)
josephnewman@earthlink.net   is his e-mail address but Evan  Soule' does all
of Joe's publicity and e-mail.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 02, 2005, 07:16:29 PM
All,
I am just copying the news announcement from Newman?s site over here:

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 30, 2005

The demonstration held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on March 28, 2005 went as predicted.

The 100-lb Newman Energy Machine contained a 70-lb coil with a rotor that operated at HIGH RPMS
with only MINUTE SPARKING as a result of the back-emf produced by the machine while it operates. 
The energy machine operated on a low voltage of only 30 volts consisting of five 6-volt batteries each
comprised of four 1.5 volt battery units -- with a current equivalent to that of any one of those 1.5 volt battery units.


Such important technical developments enable mass production of this technology to go forward!


I also wish to speak about another subject to the good people who support my life's work for humanity:


During the news conference I had to physically remove an individual from the conference room who,
along with his physicist cohort, had come to the news conference to heckle me and my work with
no interest in understanding the importance of my energy machine technology.


I will now tell you why I did that.  I am 68 years of age and I have experienced a LOT
during the course of my life.  When I saw the mannerisms of those two individuals towards
my presentation and heard their sarcastically-toned "forked" tongues, I became enraged. 
I was enraged for all humanity and for all creative minds that have ever been subjected
to such insensitive and uncaring attitudes.


For the past 40 years I have clearly seen that many so-called scientific intellectuals in high
positions of influence are FRAUDS.  Why?  Because they have the mentality of a parrot. 
They have simply memorized the great contributions of important scientific innovators of
the past and can quote those contributions like a parrot.  Yet at the same time,
they have absolutely no true understanding and especially curiosity regarding the subjects they quote.


I tried for years to get them to debate me and they always refused. 
They said the "burden of proof is on me."


I then put forth the absolute proof of a Unified Mechanical Field Theory,
followed by the Energy Machine.  But the mental cowards have still refused to debate me.


I do however give credit to more than 40 brave scientific individuals (physicists,
electrical engineers, nuclear engineers, mechanical engineers, etc.) who did come forth
and endorse the magnitude of my Mechanical Theory and the world importance for
humanity resulting from the development of my Energy Machine.


There is now available a 30 minute VHS or DVD video done by the news media
that proves all I have said and concludes with an unpublished song written and
sung by John Denver about the importance of my life's work for humanity. 
I urge you to see that video for yourself.  It may be ordered from JOSEPH NEWMAN PUBLISHING COMPANY,
Order/Processing Dept., 3725 South Division Street, Grand Rapids,
Michigan 49548for $10 plus $3 shipping/handling in the U.S. (overseas orders should add $3).


I have total contempt for the mental cowards and parrots in the scientific community
whose attitudes impede the progress of civilization for all humanity. 
And I give deep love and thanks to the courage of John Denver and others who have
helped the Energy Machine to go forward.


Sincerely,
Joseph W. Newman
===========================

So what is new is, that he has now a machine that just runs on 30 Volts.
Probably it runs on about 100 mA or less then. That would be just 3 Watts
of input power.
What did he drive with this motor ?

Does anybody know, how big this machine is ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: vcrepair on April 03, 2005, 03:08:30 AM
An update on that Newman "Press  Conference" that WASN'T!

The person Joe "threw out" has posted some comments about HIS side of the story.
ALso on energy2000@yahoogroups.com  someone from Canada saw Joe Newman
in interview on  Canadian Discovery Channel about his "press conference".
I'll paste the  Canadian's message here. Maybe you can try to contact www.cbc.ca
for Canadian Broadcast Company and see if you can get copy of the video.

*********************************************8

energy2000@yahoogroups.com

Message: 6         
   Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:09:13 -0500
   From: aq093 <aq093@ncf.ca>
Subject: Re: [FE_updates] Joseph Newman show; Dark Energy

To those working in, or who may be interested in advanced,
plentiful, clean energy sources:

Most, if not all of us, know about Joseph Newman's energy
machine: a type of magnetic motor which he claims is
over-unity. On or about MArch 28th, Mr. Newman had a media
conference at which his device was demonstrated.

I saw a video-taped clip of the news conference on the
CAnadian Discovery Channel Wednesday night. It showed a
small motor with what appeared to be a spinning plywood
rotor, and 4 cylindrical objects attached to the stator,
equidistant from each other. I would guess they were either
permanent, or electro magnets, but the stator area,
including the cylindrical objects, appeared to be covered
with some sort of fabric, so I couldn't really tell. I
clearly  noticed aqua-blue sparks emanating from one or more
of the cylindrical stator-mounted objects as the rotor spun.

At one point a fellow from the audience, who said he was a
physicist, asked to examine the rotary device to check for
any hidden source of energy, such as a battery, or wires to
an electrical outlet. At that point, Mr. Newman lost his
temper, and yelled at the man to leave the conference area.
In fact, as I saw it, Newman did not even give the fellow
enough time to leave, but assaulted him as he was on his way
out.

Afterward, Newman appeared at a video interview with the
host of "The Daily Planet", the daily show of science and
technology on the Canadian Discovery Channel which showed
the video-clip of Newman's conference. The host, Jay Ingram,
a science journalist, diplomatically asked Newman why he
assaulted the man in the audience. Newman said something
about the fellow in the audience challenging Newman's claim
that his device operated in any over-unity manner, and that
in Newman's view, such a question was improper. (Does this
justify assault???) Ingram also asked about Newman's
theory on how his device worked. Newman gave a nutshell of
his "gyroscopic" approach to atomic and particle spin or
vibration which I was trying to fit to what I had read about
electron spin and Quantum Physics from Tom Bearden and
others
via the Internet. Newman also made a definitive statement
that energy comes from matter, as if that were its sole
source. He gave me the impression that he felt that the
energy for his machine came from the magnet material itself,
and that there was no prior source for this energy.

In any case, Newman got his "foot in the door" on a
main-stream television channel (in CAnada, that is), which
was gfood not just for Newman, but for all those having an
interest in New Free Energy. Jay Ingram, the interviewer,
did not attempt to debunk Newman's claim of over-unity.
Ingram only questioned for device functionality and for
Newman's perspective and perception as to how his invention
worked. What we, the viewers, received was Newman's pitch
for his device, and I felt Ingram's interview was presented
to give the viewers the maximum possible information in the
time allowed, to let the viewers decide for themselves on
the probability that Newman's energy device works in
over-unity, as claimed.

Hal Ade
Ottawa, ON.
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Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 05, 2005, 07:43:31 AM
Here is the video:

http://www.exn.ca/video/?video=exn20050331-energy.asx

Enjoy,
Prometheus_Effect
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 05, 2005, 02:26:37 PM
Hi Prometheus,
many thanks for posting the link to this video.
The guy with the long hair and bartman looked to me like "Rucki"
a local Berlin, Germany based guy, who always comes to local
free energy meetings.
Maybe he was just in the USA and attended there.
Yes, he is a bit complicated and doesn?t understand all the things
at first, this might be, why he asked dumb questions and then
Newman got angry and throwed him out ! ;)

Had a really good laugh ! ;)
LOL !

Well anyway, the new motor looks interesting, if it can be
run with just 30 Volts.
I wonder how many milliamps are required to run the
motor.
ALso the sparking is pretty big for this size, so I think
the batteries will really be reacharged very well.
Due to my own experiments it depends on the sparks
and the commutator contact material how well the
batteries will be recharged by the RF bursts during the sparking.

For more info see my old pages at:


http://www.harti.com/newman
http://www.harti.com/newman2

Regards. Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference video
Post by: hartiberlin on April 05, 2005, 03:24:55 PM
Hi All,
I have downloaded with ASFRecorder the video.
Unfortunately only the first part could be downloaded,
but it is also the most interesting part.
I have uploaded it now to:

http://www.harti.com/newman/newman_conference.wmv

Enjoy the part, when Newman throws out "Rucki" from the conference.

Normally Rucki is pretty kind, he always brings cookies with him to the
conferences, but maybe this time he did not understand, what he was hearing...
;)
 :D

Regards. Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: fleebell on April 06, 2005, 04:33:52 AM
I'm going to laugh myself right off my chair if that guy has him charged with assualt, and he even has video proof!
Lee B
www.leebell.net (http://www.leebell.net)
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 06, 2005, 06:35:32 AM
LOL, yes, if you would know "Rucki" you would piss your pants ! ;)
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: erickrieg on April 07, 2005, 09:13:05 PM
that press conference sounded like classic Newman.  ??? He's threatend to punch me out as well.  It was funny to see aghast people in the audience.  I have info on eeven more strange newman behavior at
www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm

the following is some dialog from another list from people who were at the show:

> Cc:
> David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>,
>  "Dr. Robert Park - American Physical Society - UMD
>  College Park Physics Department)",
>  Mark Avrum Gubrud

>
> Subject:   
> Re: Mar.28 DC Newman press conference - "Otherwise" sounds like it
> went great
>
> Date:   
> Mar 29, 2005 4:05 PM

>
> At 6:37 PM -0800 3/29/05, Thomas wrote:
> At 07:45 PM 3/28/2005, David Crockett Williams wrote:
>
> Thanks for this report Evan.  I will look for news coverage and
> their evaluations of the presentation.
>
> Uh, excuse me, David, Evan's representations, are -- like as are
> apparently the claims of the would be Jesus freak Newman -- a soup of
> snake oil
>
> Unfortunately perhaps (Mark Gubrud) did not have enough background on
> the Newman
> machine or theory to know the past history, so this update fixes a
> framework
> of comparison to past larger models and the refinements you describe
> below.
>
> Nonsense, David.  I sat around for half hour, maybe 45 minutes,
> listening to theories (referencing Faraday's laws, and such), which
> kinda might seem sort of impressive (know what I mean?  Michael
> Faraday, physics?  Wow, I'm impressed.  Well, not really.  After all,
> I've listened to a lot of snake oil salesmen), quite frankly, I wasn't
> favorably impressed, because there was nothing solid in the
> presentations ... just theory and some favorable press coverage.
> NOTHING of any substance.  Nonetheless, being the open minded
> son-of-a-bitch that I am, I figured I'd give this Newman fellow the
> benefit of the doubt.
>
> At some point after I got to this road show, I happened to notice that
> Mark showed up.  He was standing in the back of the room.
>
> Then here comes Mr. Newman, he was late too, with this oversized
> hatbox devise which he hooked up to a box of batteries, and it turned
> this little wheel with a couple of lights on it.  Jeeze, what do I
> know, maybe this was some kind of profound illustration of physical
> truth, shucks I couldn't see it, but at this point, I kept my mouth
> shut.
>
> In the meantime Mark came from the back of the room and took a seat in
> the first row (I was behind him in the second row.  By the
> way,contrary to the optimistic picture Evan painted, it didn't seem
> that Mr. Newmans Press Club charade was any kind of success, there
> were a whole lot of empty seats at this ground-breaking event, and. it
> seemed to me, that almost the entire audience were Newman groupies.
>
> Then, David wrote:
>
> In any case, my skeptical friend Thomas apparently is the referenced
> "heckler" - although from their phone conversation apparently it was
> Mark who asked the question when picked to do so, "how does your
> motor differ from other kinds of motors" (didn't do his homework, but
> still a reasonable question for some occasion) and they said that is
> what set Mr. Newman off on Mark, and that Thomas just rose to defend
> the apparent legitimacy of the question whereupon he was grabbed
> by the collar and physically harassed.
>
> Not quite.  This is REALLY the way it went down.  After Mark moved
> into the first row, and was looking at this Newman hatbox thing, Mark
> raised his hand and got called on (by the esteemed Mr. Newman
> himself).  First Mark asked whether he could look under the lid of Mr.
> Newman's hatbox thing.  At this point the great humanitarian,
> christian, saviour of the SUV class, explained that Mark couldn't look
> under the lid, because the hatbox thing-a-ma-jig wasn't properly
> patented (Peek under the lid -- potential threat to the savior's
> pocketbook.  Oh yeah, we'd just heard the genius go on at some length
> about how the Navy had already ripped off his amazing hatbox.) Then
> Mark asked the question about how this hatbox differed from other
> kinds of motors.  Then the Newman character asks Mark what he's doing
> there (Get it?  What's Mark doing at the Press Club for this public
> scam that Newman set up, publicized, and invited the public to
> attend.  Like, is this guy playing with a full deck, or what?)
>
> This is where the Heckler comes in.  When the Maestro asked Mark what
> he was doing at his public event, and who invited him, being the
> consummate P in the A, at that I am, I said, "One of your biggest
> fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a physicist
> and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to examine your
> machine.
>
> It was at this point that the maniac flew off the handle, leapt off
> his podium, grabbed me by my sweater, and slung me against the wall. 
> Problem was, while this idiot is physically assaulting me, I was
> laughing so hard that, fortunately, I was unable to respond to his
> uncivilized behavior.  Perhaps my laughter disarmed the madman,
> whatever, at that point he seemed to lose his steam, and let go of my
> sweater.
>
> I do not think they had the intent to disrupt the news conference
> because I asked both of them to go and report on what they
> saw and invited Mark into a serious level scientific discussion
> about this machine due his sincere offer of his time to test it
> and support it to the scientific community if it passes his testing.
>
> You're right, David,we had absolutely no intention of disrupting his
> faux news conference. My point.is that this marvelous avatar of the
> alternative energy movement seems to be far more interested in selling
> books and making money than he is with illustrating the viability of
> his humorous hatbox.
>
> My apologies to Mr. Newman for this disturbance which was not
> my intent in asking Thomas and Mark to attend today.
>
> Whadda you apologizing to this wingnut for???  He should be
> apologizing to Mark and I.
>
> My apologies to Thomas and Mark for anything on my part that
> is behind this misunderstanding.
>
> Whadda apologizing to us for?  After all this Newman jerk invited the
> public to look at his scam.  If he can't deal with the heat he oughta
> get out of the kitchen.
>
> One view is that "well if Newman had something real, he would
> answer the questions satisfactorily".
>
> Sounds reasonable.  So we're left wondering:  Why is Newman so adverse
> to satisfactorily answering questions?
>
> But Joseph Newman has been through all this over and over
> and knows from people's tone of voices etc when he feels
> his truthfulness is being challenged blindly or due prejudice
> against this whole genre of "new energy techs".
>
> Poor guy, he's been through all this over and over.  Shit!  He
> deserves it.
>
> Look at it!  This nut case continuously talks in terms of his
> "opponents."  Mark and I obviously fell into this "opponent" category
> ... notwithstanding the fact that we weren't (at that point, anyway)
> "opponents," but were merely inquiring minds.  So what you got here,
> it seems to me, is a paranoid, schizophrenic, physically abusive, nut
> job named Joe.  Poooor guy.  People challenging his truthfulness,  oh
> my!  David, give me a break, anybody who doesn't question this guy's
> claims has got to be some kind of a sycophant, or just plain
> gullible.
>
> Personality problems has now today jumped to the top of my
> list of reasons why these new energy technologies are "not
> already out there".
>
> I humbly disagree.  I don't think it's so much personality problems as
> it is capitalistic, money grubbing, "Who invited you?", "opponent,"
> lying, paranoia.
>
> Then the Just Normally ParanoidCo. wrote"
>
> From: "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>
> To: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
> Subject:    News conference update
> Date:    Mar 28, 2005 4:39 PM
>
> David --
>
>
> At the news conference the table-top-sized energy machine performed
> beautifully --  the latest innovation of the EM technology proved two
> things:
>
> Yeah, right, seemed like it, kind of, but you can't look under the
> lid.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Just note that
> the little wheel, with the two cool little lights, that's hooked up to
> a box of batteries, is spinning around, and be unquestioningly
> impressed.
>
> 1. Opponents of Joseph Newman do not deny that the technology produces
> significant torque,
>
> Here we have it:  "Opponents of Joseph Newman."  Except, how the heck
> can one affirm or deny whether this hatbox is doing anything other
> than spinning a little wheel with a couple of lights on it, if one
> can't look under the lid, because the Saviour wants to insure that his
> financial interests aren't threatened?
>
> Oh yeah, lest we forget, buy his book.
>
> 2. Opponents of Joseph Newman claim that the back-emf sparking
> produced by
> the energy machine is unmanageable and can never be controlled.  On
> Monday,
> March 28, 2005, Joseph Newman demonstrated complete control of that
> sparking
> effect.
>
> Here we have that same old paranoid rap again:  "Opponents of Joseph
> Newman."  The guy isn't even a worthy opponent.  Who' in their right
> would even want to waste time crossing mental swords with this
> imbecile?
>
> At one point during the presentation, one individual attempted to
> heckle
> Joseph Newman and challenge his integrity.  The heckler was then
> offered the
> following challenge by a news conference attendee from Michigan:  That
> Michigan attendee would put up $20,000 if the heckler would put up
> $5,000
> for a test of the technology.  If the machine was not found to operate
> as
> stated, then the heckler would be paid $20,000.  However, if the test
> confirmed the operation of the machine as stated, then the heckler
> would
> donate that $5,000 to a charity.
>
> "Integrity"?????  Gimme a break.  Further on this paragraph is total
> bullshit.  But, nonetheless, instructive to some degree.  Instructive
> to the degree that these con artists are money oriented (20 grand). 
> But where the major bullshit comes in is that this fictional exchange
> with the "heckler" never occurred  ... at least no where near where,
> or under the circumstances claimed.  This Newman character, or some of
> his facilitators, had arranged for several video cameras to record his
> historical faux news conference.  So you needn't take my word on this
> particular issue, assuming these hucksters will release the videos
> (which they probably won't, because that would conclusively illustrate
> that they are bald faced liars), the videos will absolutely prove that
> this multi-thousand challenge did not occur at the "news" conference.
>
> Prove me wrong (please).  I was the alleged "heckler."  Mark Gubrud
> showed up for this alleged "news conference" at the request of myself
> , and/or the most dedicated fan of Swami Newman, David Crockett
> Williams.  As a physicist, Mark thought he was going to get a chance
> to peek under the lid of this amazing hatbox.  Well, the Swami nixed
> that.
>
> Anyway, what actually happened with respect to this big bucks deal was
> that AFTER we left the alleged news conference Thomas (that's me, the
> alleged heckler), and Mark were waiting for the elevator, far away
> from the alleged news conference.  At that time we were approached by
> Arthur W. Morris, a "certified microscopist," from Bloomfield Hills,
> Michigan (utillc@comcast.net).  It was then and there, at the
> elevator, far from Mr. Newman's snake oil show, and away from the
> video cameras (which is why these weasels won't document their flat
> out lies by providing a copy of that tape) that Mr. Morris offered to
> put up 20 grand against Mark's 20.  First, we should note that Mark
> wasn't the alleged heckler, it was I who was the alleged heckler. 
> Next, it wasn't the "heckler" who was made this generous offer, it was
> Mark, who wasn't a heckler.  Finally, again, this ridiculous bet
> (shucks, if I wanted to risk 20, 10, or even 5 grand, I'd go to Vegas
> and play blackjack before I'd bet with these sidewinders) was offered
> in front of the elevators, far and away from Mr. Newman's con game. 
> Consider the absurdity of this offer --  Mark and I where there
> specifically to "test of the technology," and these wily sons of guns
> wouldn't even let Mark peek under the lid.  Essentially, Mark
> indicated that Mr. Morris was coming out of far left field.  Then Mr.
> Morris reduced it to 10 grand for Mark, he was still offering 20. 
> Finally, he offered to let Mark go for 5 grand.  Can't remember
> exactly --- you know, these Newman guys, getting really crazy and all?
> -- but I think Mark told him something like go fly a kite.
>
> The heckler refused to accept that
> challenge and continued to heckle Joseph Newman.  Finally, Joseph
> Newman
> physically picked up the heckler by his sweater and forcibly carried
> him out
> of the room.  The media filmed the incident.  We believe the heckler's
> goal
> was to intentionally attempt to disrupt the news conference.
>
> Now this is the epitome of the bullshit.  Again, there was NO
> heckling.  What these misrepresenters of reality are pretending was
> "heckling," was actually my statement,  "One of your biggest fans,
> David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a physicist and
> David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to examine your
> machine."
>
> Notice, the deceivers specifically mention that "The media filmed the
> incident."  Ask for a copy.  Bet they won't give it to you, because
> it'll prove they're lying.
>
> Oh, as a footnote, the lunatic "christian" did not forcibly carry me
> out of the room.  He just looked stupid, shook his fist in my face,
> and went back to his podium.  Then, after I'd stopped laughing, I
> invited him to meet me in the alley.  Gee, ya know, you try real hard
> to be a pacifist, but, it seems, you just can't help running into
> jerks that are just begging to have their necks broken.  God help me,
> what can I say?  Oh yeah, so after I invited the alterative energy
> avatar to the alley, Mark and I left the room, went to the elevator,
> where Mr. Morris offered his aforementioned absurd bet.
>
> In light of the foregoing, David, I hate to call these guys a bunch of
> unscrupulous, lying assholes, but what else can I honestly say:?
>
> Don't take my word for it.  Ask 'em for a copy of their faux news
> conference video with the part where the Savior allegedly put me out
> of the room.
>
> You know, David, that I like you, but when you get involved with
> characters like this it really hurts your credibility, because they
> have no integrity to speak of.
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>
> A postscript:
>
> Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his STREET
> (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will file a lawsuit
> against him for libel.

> =========end fwd

> From: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
> To: Thomas <prop1@prop1.org>;
>  Evan Soule' - Joseph Newman Power Co <josephnewman@earthlink.net>
> Cc: Dr. Robert Park - American Physical Society - UMD College Park
>  Physics Department); Mark Avrum Gubrud; Dr. Jack Sarfatti PhD -
> - Stardrive.org - Internet Science Education Project; Eric Krieg
> Subject: Newman v Thomas libel lawsuit re Mar.28 DC Newman press
>  conference - Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas and
> he will file a lawsuit against him for libel
> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:20 PM

> "Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
> STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will
> file a lawsuit against him for libel."  --  Evan Soule, Mar 29, 2005
> 4:05 PM

> This would be a geat media attraction and would bring the truth of the
> matter into jurisdiction of public courts and all attendant news media
> attention - Hollywood style - line up your celebrities on both sides
> of the
> isle and "gentlemen, start your engines".  I will cheer this court case
> on, knowing Thomas will never give up and is qualified pro per legal
> beagle having fought his way pro per through the court systems to
> stay vigiling 24yrs across the street from the White House in Lafayette
> Park (White House Peace Park), and his court cases won and lost
> have precipitated changes in law as a result, eg, park service rules
> etc.
> Thomas has been roughed up by the best of them.  Will he pick up this
> gauntlet as the peoples champion to find the truth of the matter in
> court?
> http://www.prop1.org

> Joseph Newman would never back down from such a court challenge
> to have his name vindicated as a truthful and honest man, and his
> Massergy Theory and Energy Machine seem the disputed issue to
> be adjudged by the courts as "true" or "fake/false," so he has now
> welcomed this as an opportunity to bring the truth into brighter light.
> http://www.josephnewman.com

> Sounds like a real "Big Prize Fight" to me.  Let's get good tv
> coverage of this case in court, the sooner the better, asap.

> Newman v Thomas, Round One, ding!

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Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 07, 2005, 11:40:28 PM
Moral of he story:
Don?t provokate Newman, he was a boxer in his early life ! ;D
Otherwise you could get a fist into your face...! :o

Anyway, the new motor is not more different than all his other motors
and performs great ! So no problem with it and it is really no scam !

It is just the RF bursts from the sparking, that drive the bulbs and the recharging of the batteries.
Has all been tested already, no mystery anymore.

So I believe, Newman has a great technolgy.

P.S: At:
www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm
there are many lies about Newman, so you should better
checkout my technology pages about it,
which concentrate onto the technologies and not on
bad politics:

http://www.harti.com/newman

http://www.harti.com/newman2


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: erickrieg on April 08, 2005, 12:06:52 AM
The following is some more discussion from another list on the Newman demo.  I would like to hear from even more former Newman investors at erickrieg at verizon.net  People can get the pro-Newman position from josephnewman.com.

The following offers both points of view:
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Newman v Thomas - one minute warning bell
From:    "David Crockett Williams" <gear2000@ >
Date:    Tue, March 29, 2005 8:44 pm

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


      From: Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will
      file a lawsuit against him for libel.


      "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>


      Subject:    Re: Mar.28 DC Newman press conference - "Otherwise"
sounds like it went great  Date:    Mar 29, 2005 4:05 PM

      At 6:37 PM -0800 3/29/05, Thomas wrote:
        At 07:45 PM 3/28/2005, David Crockett Williams wrote:

          Thanks for this report Evan.  I will look for news coverage and
their evaluations of the presentation.


        Uh, excuse me, David, Evan's representations, are -- like as are
apparently the claims of the would be Jesus freak Newman -- a soup
of snake oil

          Unfortunately perhaps (Mark Gubrud) did not have enough
background on the Newman machine or theory to know the past
history, so this update fixes a framework of comparison to past
larger models and the refinements you describe below.


        Nonsense, David.  I sat around for half hour, maybe 45 minutes,
listening to theories (referencing Faraday's laws, and such),
which kinda might seem sort of impressive (know what I mean?
Michael Faraday, physics?  Wow, I'm impressed.  Well, not really.
After all, I've listened to a lot of snake oil salesmen), quite
frankly, I wasn't favorably impressed, because there was nothing
solid in the presentations ... just theory and some favorable
press coverage. NOTHING of any substance.  Nonetheless, being the
open minded son-of-a-bitch that I am, I figured I'd give this
Newman fellow the benefit of the doubt.

        At some point after I got to this road show, I happened to notice
that Mark showed up.  He was standing in the back of the room.

        Then here comes Mr. Newman, he was late too, with this oversized
hatbox devise which he hooked up to a box of batteries, and it
turned this little wheel with a couple of lights on it.  Jeeze,
what do I know, maybe this was some kind of profound illustration
of physical truth, shucks I couldn't see it, but at this point, I
kept my mouth shut.

        In the meantime Mark came from the back of the room and took a
seat in the first row (I was behind him in the second row.  By the
way,contrary to the optimistic picture Evan painted, it didn't
seem that Mr. Newmans Press Club charade was any kind of success,
there were a whole lot of empty seats at this ground-breaking
event, and. it seemed to me, that almost the entire audience were
Newman groupies.

        Then, David wrote:

          In any case, my skeptical friend Thomas apparently is the
referenced "heckler" - although from their phone conversation
apparently it was Mark who asked the question when picked to do
so, "how does your motor differ from other kinds of motors"
(didn't do his homework, but still a reasonable question for
some occasion) and they said that is what set Mr. Newman off on
Mark, and that Thomas just rose to defend the apparent
legitimacy of the question whereupon he was grabbed by the
collar and physically harassed.


        Not quite.  This is REALLY the way it went down.  After Mark moved
into the first row, and was looking at this Newman hatbox thing,
Mark raised his hand and got called on (by the esteemed Mr. Newman
himself).  First Mark asked whether he could look under the lid of
Mr. Newman's hatbox thing.  At this point the great humanitarian,
christian, saviour of the SUV class, explained that Mark couldn't
look under the lid, because the hatbox thing-a-ma-jig wasn't
properly patented (Peek under the lid -- potential threat to the
savior's pocketbook.  Oh yeah, we'd just heard the genius go on at
some length about how the Navy had already ripped off his amazing
hatbox.) Then Mark asked the question about how this hatbox
differed from other kinds of motors.  Then the Newman character
asks Mark what he's doing there (Get it?  What's Mark doing at the
Press Club for this public scam that Newman set up, publicized,
and invited the public to attend.  Like, is this guy playing with
a full deck, or what?)

        This is where the Heckler comes in.  When the Maestro asked Mark
what he was doing at his public event, and who invited him, being
the consummate P in the A, at that I am, I said, "One of your
biggest fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a
physicist and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to
examine your machine.

        It was at this point that the maniac flew off the handle, leapt
off his podium, grabbed me by my sweater, and slung me against the
wall.  Problem was, while this idiot is physically assaulting me,
I was laughing so hard that, fortunately, I was unable to respond
to his uncivilized behavior.  Perhaps my laughter disarmed the
madman, whatever, at that point he seemed to lose his steam, and
let go of my sweater.

          I do not think they had the intent to disrupt the news
conference because I asked both of them to go and report on what
they saw and invited Mark into a serious level scientific
discussion about this machine due his sincere offer of his time
to test it and support it to the scientific community if it
passes his testing.


        You're right, David,we had absolutely no intention of disrupting
his faux news conference. My point.is that this marvelous avatar
of the alternative energy movement seems to be far more interested
in selling books and making money than he is with illustrating the
viability of his humorous hatbox.

          My apologies to Mr. Newman for this disturbance which was not my
intent in asking Thomas and Mark to attend today.


        Whadda you apologizing to this wingnut for???  He should be
apologizing to Mark and I.

          My apologies to Thomas and Mark for anything on my part that is
behind this misunderstanding.


        Whadda apologizing to us for?  After all this Newman jerk invited
the public to look at his scam.  If he can't deal with the heat he
oughta get out of the kitchen.

          One view is that "well if Newman had something real, he would
answer the questions satisfactorily".


        Sounds reasonable.  So we're left wondering:  Why is Newman so
adverse to satisfactorily answering questions?

          But Joseph Newman has been through all this over and over and
knows from people's tone of voices etc when he feels his
truthfulness is being challenged blindly or due prejudice
against this whole genre of "new energy techs".


        Poor guy, he's been through all this over and over.  Shit!  He
deserves it.

        Look at it!  This nut case continuously talks in terms of his
"opponents."  Mark and I obviously fell into this "opponent"
category ... notwithstanding the fact that we weren't (at that
point, anyway) "opponents," but were merely inquiring minds.  So
what you got here, it seems to me, is a paranoid, schizophrenic,
physically abusive, nut job named Joe.  Poooor guy.  People
challenging his truthfulness,  oh my!  David, give me a break,
anybody who doesn't question this guy's claims has got to be some
kind of a sycophant, or just plain gullible.

          Personality problems has now today jumped to the top of my list
of reasons why these new energy technologies are "not already
out there".


        I humbly disagree.  I don't think it's so much personality
problems as it is capitalistic, money grubbing, "Who invited
you?", "opponent," lying, paranoia.

        Then the Just Normally ParanoidCo. wrote"

          From: "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>
          To: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
          Subject:    News conference update
          Date:    Mar 28, 2005 4:39 PM

          David --


          At the news conference the table-top-sized energy machine
performed beautifully --  the latest innovation of the EM
technology proved two things:


        Yeah, right, seemed like it, kind of, but you can't look under the
lid.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Just note
that the little wheel, with the two cool little lights, that's
hooked up to a box of batteries, is spinning around, and be
unquestioningly impressed.

          1. Opponents of Joseph Newman do not deny that the technology
produces significant torque,


        Here we have it:  "Opponents of Joseph Newman."  Except, how the
heck can one affirm or deny whether this hatbox is doing anything
other than spinning a little wheel with a couple of lights on it,
if one can't look under the lid, because the Saviour wants to
insure that his financial interests aren't threatened?

        Oh yeah, lest we forget, buy his book.

          2. Opponents of Joseph Newman claim that the back-emf sparking
produced by the energy machine is unmanageable and can never be
controlled.  On Monday, March 28, 2005, Joseph Newman
demonstrated complete control of that sparking effect.


        Here we have that same old paranoid rap again:  "Opponents of
Joseph Newman."  The guy isn't even a worthy opponent.  Who' in
their right would even want to waste time crossing mental swords
with this imbecile?

          At one point during the presentation, one individual attempted
to heckle Joseph Newman and challenge his integrity.  The
heckler was then offered the following challenge by a news
conference attendee from Michigan:  That Michigan attendee would
put up $20,000 if the heckler would put up $5,000 for a test of
the technology.  If the machine was not found to operate as
stated, then the heckler would be paid $20,000.  However, if the
test confirmed the operation of the machine as stated, then the
heckler would donate that $5,000 to a charity.


        "Integrity"?????  Gimme a break.  Further on this paragraph is
total bullshit.  But, nonetheless, instructive to some degree.
Instructive to the degree that these con artists are money
oriented (20 grand).  But where the major bullshit comes in is
that this fictional exchange with the "heckler" never occurred
... at least no where near where, or under the circumstances
claimed.  This Newman character, or some of his facilitators, had
arranged for several video cameras to record his historical faux
news conference.  So you needn't take my word on this particular
issue, assuming these hucksters will release the videos (which
they probably won't, because that would conclusively illustrate
that they are bald faced liars), the videos will absolutely prove
that this multi-thousand challenge did not occur at the "news"
conference.

        Prove me wrong (please).  I was the alleged "heckler."  Mark
Gubrud showed up for this alleged "news conference" at the request
of myself , and/or the most dedicated fan of Swami Newman, David
Crockett Williams.  As a physicist, Mark thought he was going to
get a chance to peek under the lid of this amazing hatbox.  Well,
the Swami nixed that.

        Anyway, what actually happened with respect to this big bucks deal
was that AFTER we left the alleged news conference Thomas (that's
me, the alleged heckler), and Mark were waiting for the elevator,
far away from the alleged news conference.  At that time we were
approached by Arthur W. Morris, a "certified microscopist," from
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan (utillc@comcast.net).  It was then and
there, at the elevator, far from Mr. Newman's snake oil show, and
away from the video cameras (which is why these weasels won't
document their flat out lies by providing a copy of that tape)
that Mr. Morris offered to put up 20 grand against Mark's 20.
First, we should note that Mark wasn't the alleged heckler, it was
I who was the alleged heckler.  Next, it wasn't the "heckler" who
was made this generous offer, it was Mark, who wasn't a heckler.
Finally, again, this ridiculous bet (shucks, if I wanted to risk
20, 10, or even 5 grand, I'd go to Vegas and play blackjack before
I'd bet with these sidewinders) was offered in front of the
elevators, far and away from Mr. Newman's con game.  Consider the
absurdity of this offer --  Mark and I where there specifically to
"test of the technology," and these wily sons of guns wouldn't
even let Mark peek under the lid.  Essentially, Mark indicated
that Mr. Morris was coming out of far left field.  Then Mr. Morris
reduced it to 10 grand for Mark, he was still offering 20.
Finally, he offered to let Mark go for 5 grand.  Can't remember
exactly --- you know, these Newman guys, getting really crazy and
all? -- but I think Mark told him something like go fly a kite.

          The heckler refused to accept that
          challenge and continued to heckle Joseph Newman.  Finally,
Joseph Newman physically picked up the heckler by his sweater
and forcibly carried him out of the room.  The media filmed the
incident.  We believe the heckler's goal was to intentionally
attempt to disrupt the news conference.


        Now this is the epitome of the bullshit.  Again, there was NO
heckling.  What these misrepresenters of reality are pretending
was "heckling," was actually my statement,  "One of your biggest
fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a
physicist and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to
examine your machine."

        Notice, the deceivers specifically mention that "The media filmed
the incident."  Ask for a copy.  Bet they won't give it to you,
because it'll prove they're lying.

        Oh, as a footnote, the lunatic "christian" did not forcibly carry
me out of the room.  He just looked stupid, shook his fist in my
face, and went back to his podium.  Then, after I'd stopped
laughing, I invited him to meet me in the alley.  Gee, ya know,
you try real hard to be a pacifist, but, it seems, you just can't
help running into jerks that are just begging to have their necks
broken.  God help me, what can I say?  Oh yeah, so after I invited
the alterative energy avatar to the alley, Mark and I left the
room, went to the elevator, where Mr. Morris offered his
aforementioned absurd bet.

        In light of the foregoing, David, I hate to call these guys a
bunch of unscrupulous, lying assholes, but what else can I
honestly say:?

        Don't take my word for it.  Ask 'em for a copy of their faux news
conference video with the part where the Savior allegedly put me
out of the room.

        You know, David, that I like you, but when you get involved with
characters like this it really hurts your credibility, because
they have no integrity to speak of.

        ___________________________

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        202-682-4282 phone and fax (call first)
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      A postscript:


      Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will file a
lawsuit against him for libel.

 
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 08, 2005, 02:15:56 AM
Eric, there is no mysteries anymore with the Newman motors.
I have studied them for over 20 years now.
They just work and produce a lot of RF bursts, that recharge the batteries
and keep the incand. bulbs lighting ( which the normal DC input current couldnot do)
and the technology just works.
The only problem is, that the commutator must be a mechanical type and have the
right materials, so the sparking is occuring , which will produce these big RF bursts !

If the mechanical output is really bigger than the electrical input  still must
be measured right and also depends on the commutator setup and the airgaps,
but the electrical output via the RF bursts is definately bigger than the electrical
input.
The problem is, it only works with quite a big coil and the RF bursts also
put out a lot of RF noise into the surroundings, so it needs to be shielded
very well, before these devices can be sold !

That Newman is a "complicated" character and seems to behave sometimes
"strange" is a different story, but easily to understand with the things
he had to go through to get a patent....


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 08, 2005, 04:22:35 AM
Stefan,

All devices are based on applying the beneficial benefits of one or more enabling effects. Thomas Davenport, the blacksmith inventor of the first electric motor, applied three simple but easy to prove effects to make his first motor:

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/july99/features/blacksmith/blacksmith.html  (http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/july99/features/blacksmith/blacksmith.html)

1) Like magnetic fields repel & unlike magnetic fields attract.
2) Flowing electric current creates a magnetic field.
3) Reversing the direction of the electric current flow will reverse the polarity of the created magnetic field.

He applied these basic effects, added a commutator to reverse the rotor field polarity at the right time and the world's first electric motor was born. Not to forget the very important contribution that his wife's silk wedding dress made!

So just ask Joe to break down how his motor works into the individual isolated OU and non OU effects. Verify they have the effects he claims they do. Then understanding how the entire device works become clear and the world will benefit.

From your many years of working with and building many Newman motors, do you believe the Newman motor is OU? If so which step in your above description is the OU effect?

Prometheus_Effect
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 08, 2005, 05:06:49 AM
Yes, I think it is overunity.
It is the effect of the sparking commutator with the huge coil.
The RF bursts there produce the overunity RF current which is superimposed
onto the chopped DC current, which is going into the machine.
The RF current comes out of the machine and powers his bulbs and recharges
his batteries.
The right materials at the commutator must be used to get the right
sparks to get it Overuniy.
The combination of copper-carbon is one valid combination,
magnesium-carbon would be even better.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 08, 2005, 05:39:34 AM
Yes, I think it is overunity.

Hi Stefan,

Three questions:

1) How would you measure the OU?

2) Are you sure it is not some unknown battery chemistry that kicks in due to the high voltage, high frequency nature of the back emf of those RF bursts?

3) Have you or Newman tried starting the motor with a non polarized parallel cap bank connected across the batteries, then when the motor is running disconnect the battery bank and see if it still keeps running? If it keeps running you can then discount some unknown battery chemistry effect and few very would doubt it is OU even without "Closing the Loop"

Regards,
Prometheus Effect
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 08, 2005, 03:32:43 PM
Prometheus,
well, you can see it, if you compare the brightness of the bulbs, that are just only powered by the
output RF currents and not via the chopped DC input, versus others same bulbs, which are powered
by normal DC to compare for the wattage input.
You will see, that with a big Coil and the right sparking at the commutator you can create very big
RF currents, that power these light bulbs very brightly, which are in series with the coil  !
If you compare the input chopped DC power into the Newman motor at the same time,
you see, that it is less input power.
ALso you get the mechanical output in addition to the light output.

Okay, there is also a battery effect with it as the batteries seem to like
RF currents to be charged up or not to discharge so fast..
Seems to be a simular effect as the Bedini battery charging effect.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 08, 2005, 03:58:54 PM
Hi Stefan,

But the biggie is will the Newman motor will run from a non polarized cap bank or it is powered by a new chemical effect in the batteries. If it will not continue to run from the cap bank then there is no OU in as far as the input power is concerned. However there still may be OU but we need to do a simple and fool proof measurement of energy in verus energy out.

As I see it there are two questions to be answered:

1) Will the motor continue to run at a stready RPM when powered from a non polarized capacitor bank?

2) Does the motor put out more real work than input? Here I'm talking about running the output into a simple strip heater emersed into a container filled with water, then measuring the rate of temp increase. It's then real simple to measure the real energy output as against real energy input (which can be measured by any voltage variation on the cap bank). No light bulbs, amp / power meters or scopes needed.

A simple Newman motor OU test:

1) Charge the non polarized capacitor bank with sufficient energy to get the motor started and running for say 30 minutes.
2) Run the motor for 30 minutes while it delivers power into a strip heater emersed in a heavily insulated water container.
3) Disconnect the capacitor bank and output load.
4) Compare the initial capacitor bank voltage with that after 30 minutes and calculate energy loss / gain.
5) Compare inital water temp with that after 30 minutes and calculate the amount of energy transfered into the water.
6) Is the ouput energy greater or less than the input energy?

Newman would seem to be suggesting that the cap bank voltage will increase while delivering real power into a load. If so this is a sure fire simple test to finally prove what Newman is saying is real OU.

Hey Evan you listening?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 08, 2005, 04:19:36 PM
Hi Stefan,

But the biggie is will the Newman motor will run from a non polarized cap bank or it is powered by a new chemical effect in the batteries. If it will not continue to run from the cap bank then there is no OU in as far as the input power is concerned. However there still may be OU but we need to do a simple and fool proof measurement of energy in verus energy out.

As I see it there are two questions to be answered:

1) Will the motor continue to run at a stready RPM when powered from a non polarized capacitor bank?


Probably not, as the capbank can not store the RF currents as the batteries can.

Quote

2) Does the motor put out more real work than input? Here I'm talking about running the output into a simple strip heater emersed into a container filled with water, then measuring the rate of temp increase. It's then real simple to measure the real energy output as against real energy input (which can be measured by any voltage variation on the cap bank). No light bulbs, amp / power meters or scopes needed.

Well, the RF currents have been tested to heat a resistor in a water bath and this output was already higher than the
electrical input from the batteries.
This is documented in Newman?s book and was done years ago by a crew of a few engineers.

Quote

A simple Newman motor OU test:

1) Charge the non polarized capacitor bank with sufficient energy to get the motor started and running for say 30 minutes.
2) Run the motor for 30 minutes while it delivers power into a strip heater emersed in a heavily insulated water container.
3) Disconnect the capacitor bank and output load.
4) Compare the initial capacitor bank voltage with that after 30 minutes and calculate energy loss / gain.
5) Compare inital water temp with that after 30 minutes and calculate the amount of energy transfered into the water.
6) Is the ouput energy greater or less than the input energy?

As I said above, you get the mechanical energy output for free ADDITIONALLY !
The main OU output power is in the RF currents !

Quote
Newman would seem to be suggesting that the cap bank voltage will increase while delivering real power into a load. If so this is a sure fire simple test to finally prove what Newman is saying is real OU.

Hey Evan you listening?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect.

If you create a circuit, that will efficiently transform theRF currents into usefull energy, then
it will be possible.
In this moment the only way to use the RF currents are incand. light bulbs in series with the coil
which light up due to the RF currents.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 08, 2005, 04:55:28 PM
Hi Stefan,

As you know the back EMF and input energy demands of a Newman motor are highly non sinusordial. Thus very few instruments will tell you what is really happening. Have you or Newman ever done a spectral analysis of the RF? If so where / at what frequencies are the energy? On the small motor you built what is the peak back EMF?

If would not be hard to build a cap bank to supply and handle the back EMF. A few high voltage power factor correction caps with a few RF friendly one should do the job. You just need to know how many joules, at what peak voltage and at what frequencies the cap bank will need to accept the energy.

BTW, where did you get the info that batteries can store RF better than caps?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 08, 2005, 05:07:07 PM
Hi Stefan,

As another thought you could use diodes to seperate the current flowing from the batteries to the motor and the current flowing from the motor to the batteries. Then run both though emersed strip heaters in individual water tanks, measure the temp rise in each water tank and calculate real energy flows each way. Has this been done?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect

Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 08, 2005, 05:14:51 PM
Hi Prometheus,
it is all not so easy, that is why there has not been too much progress into this direction.
ALso as the RF currents are needed for correct operation, the coil unit puts out high RF noise
into the surroundings, which must be shielded, before a unit could be
sold and also the burning contacts at the commutator are needed
and this problem also has to be addressed in better materials lasting longer,
so you see, it is not as easy as you think.


Also this presented machine at the press conference is at a power
level of only around about 1 to 3? Watts !
If you want to go into the 100 Watts or Kwatts range
it is very difficult to scale up.
Then you need again high voltage supplies
or massively bigger coils , which is very expensive to
build..
This is why I have concentrated my own research now to
other areas, which are more easy to scale up.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 09, 2005, 02:59:13 AM
Hi Prometheus,

It is all not so easy, that is why there has not been too much progress into this direction.

Also as the RF currents are needed for correct operation, the coil unit puts out high RF noise
into the surroundings, which must be shielded, before a unit could be
sold and also the burning contacts at the commutator are needed
and this problem also has to be addressed in better materials lasting longer,
so you see, it is not as easy as you think.

Hi Stefan,

Storing the energy of the RF bursts into a cap bank is not as hard as you may think. RF engineers do it all the time, How do you think high power RF transmitters work? Has there ever been a spectral analysis done of the RF burst feeding back into the batteries?

Quote
Also this presented machine at the press conference is at a power
level of only around about 1 to 3? Watts !
If you want to go into the 100 Watts or Kwatts range
it is very difficult to scale up.
Then you need again high voltage supplies
or massively bigger coils , which is very expensive to
build..
This is why I have concentrated my own research now to
other areas, which are more easy to scale up.

Scaling up is just engineering time and money. But first the underlying OU effect needs to be clearly understood and I suggest the small motor would be a good cost effective model. Stefan once it is proven there is a OU effect here, money and good engineering minds can solve any other problems.

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 09, 2005, 03:34:12 AM
Yes, the OU effect comes mainly from the spark-gap effect at the commutator.
But as far as as I know, there has not been a spectral analysis been taken,
cause the high Voltage Back EMF pulses might just destroy every spectral analysator !

It really depends on the contact material at the commutator, how big these
pulses are and how big the RF output power is.
With copper-carbon it works quite well.
With conducting water- conducting water it does not work at all !
This I have already tested.

With his bigger earlier machines there were also DC components additionally
to the RF bursts, this depends on the "Stray capacity" of the coil.
The bigger this Stray capacity is, the bigger is also this DC component that kicks
back and recharges the battery too.
So to wind a coil, which has lots of capacity is better.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 09, 2005, 03:38:32 AM
P.S. The turning magnet inside the coil will also help to make the
Back EMF Voltage even bigger and thus "power" the spark up !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: prometheus_effect on April 09, 2005, 04:05:27 AM
But as far as as I know, there has not been a spectral analysis been taken,
cause the high Voltage Back EMF pulses might just destroy every spectral analysator !

Hi Stefan,

No way will it destroy a spectrum analyser. Any RF engineer worth his salt could design an input circuit which will do the job. It's just engineering. Not magic. Then once the RF envelope is known, designing the cap bank would be simple and we can get onto really determing what is or is not happening inside a Newman motor.

Hey Evan you out there?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: erickrieg on April 10, 2005, 04:31:00 AM
Stefen,

    thanks for not deleting my posts.   I would be interested in what information from
www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm
that you consider to be lies.    I sincerely want to post correct information - I put up pages of messages from people who disagree with me.
    Newmans many different designs include ones he claims puts out at least 10 times more output power than taken in - I would think it should be easy to cause something like that to self run.   Have you made a self runner based on information from Newman?    Do you know of anyone who has?     I would be willing to believe Newman's or anyones claims if there was proper proof I could see.

Eric Krieg
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 10, 2005, 05:26:22 AM
Eric, I would say the Norman Biss Story
is a bit overexxagerated and also the Story with marying the kid...

Newman?s public Demos are still missing the "beef".
I have seen much better demos in some of his videotapes.

I did get also a lot of RF power out of my devices,
but due to time and lab limitations I could not go
on with the research.
Someoneover here from Germany did build a much bigger
Newman machine than me and got around 120 % efficiency he told
me, but he wants to stay anonymously.

The Video from the Canadian TV is too bad filmed, so I can not see,
if he has some kind of incand. bulbs ontop of the new motor.
In a few older videos he could run a few incand. bulbs
on the RF power the commutator generated and in a recent video
he did run already a 60 or 100 Watts light bulbs from it, when much
less chopped DC powerwent into the machine.

Too bad Newman did not show a conclusive demo with the
AC-Generator. It seems there the mechanical output is not so strong,
otherwise he would have run more loads than just about 1 KWatts.
He had a 10 KWatts generator hooked up to his motor
and only did run about 1 KWatts electrical loads on the generator,
what I have seen in the videos...
Does anybody know, if he has run more loads with it ?

Anyway, the OU power is inside the RF, the mechanical output in
my view could be less than the chopped DC input.
That also depends mainly on the setup of all the magnets and coils
and the airgap losses.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 10, 2005, 05:32:33 AM
P.S: I had some pretty long email exchanges with Norman Biss and the more he wrote,
it was clear, that his "ramblings" about Newman did not make any sense and he never came
forward with the second motor he wanted to build and test. We still wait
for this today. So I don?t give any validation to this "story".
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: Thaelin on April 14, 2005, 12:12:37 AM
Stephan,
    I read the post of Biss about his working with Newman and anyone could tell these
two awrny cats on a hot tin roof. Newman wanted it done his way and the Tech had a
fit because he couldn't do it the way the book said. I really would have loved to see the
exchanges between them.
   I cant elaborate on who is right and wrong as I wasn't there. When you build something
for some one else, thought you were supposed to do it the way they wanted. Good or bad.
Kind of like my writing a SF story and then someone proofing it to their liking, not my story
any more. And that would really piss me.

   New technology is new technology. It most likely will not follow the hallowed lines of the
manuals taught in school. But thats how we break new ground, break the rules a bit now
and then.


Oh well, Yada Yada Yada

sugra
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 14, 2005, 09:14:51 AM
Yes, Sugra,
in my email exchange with Norman Biss it got clear,
that he had no knowledge at all about the Newman technology
and the need of the sparking commutator !
So Newman was probably annoyed, that Biss knew everything
better, but hadn?t studied the technology.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: erickrieg on April 19, 2005, 01:52:25 PM
concerning Norm Biss, I have met with him in person - he made every effort to get the Newman technology to work.   Maybe you think you understand something about Newman technolgy and of course think Biss doesn't see something in there you do.  Fine.  The fact remains that Biss never saw any good evidence the machine had any hope of making E=Mc^2 energy as Newman promised, he found Newman to be very poor at building motors and he found Newman to be unstable and dishonorable.   I've talked to others who have tried to help Newman and reached similar conclusions.   In the many years  since then, Biss has built many working useful motors and generators that make the world a better place and Newman has . . . . . .
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 19, 2005, 04:57:33 PM
Hmm, well, I never met Norman Biss , but I communicated via email with him and
I did see, that he had not the slighest knowledge about the Newman machines
nad I have built Newman motors and they show the same
effects Newman claims and it seems Biss did not build the second motor he wanted to build for Newman
and he never came forward with it. So I don?t trust Biss at all.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: allenland on April 21, 2005, 06:33:48 AM
I think it is important to see the huge difference between the motor Norman Biss was making at Newman's request (curent carying armature with feromagnetic laminations and fixed PM field) and what Newman had done in the past (air coil, large L/R comes from huge copper mass rather than feromagnetic structure). It is a mystery to me how a "production version" could be so fundamentally different from the "prototype". Common commercial DC motors have a carbon brush and copper or bronze commutator yet do not show the "Newman effect".
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on April 21, 2005, 01:58:30 PM
Quote
Common commercial DC motors have a carbon brush and copper or bronze commutator yet do not show the "Newman effect".

Yes, Newman uses just a different commutator to "flush" all the coil energy out after every commutator break, so
there is no overlapping of the commutator segments, which are are in the normal commutators.
so every commutator segment has a long enough gap, so the coil always produces BACK EMF Voltage that
is flowing back to the battery via a spark jump and which recharges the battery and produces these
huge RF bursts, which can power incand. bubls in series with the coil.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: iald on June 21, 2005, 05:04:01 PM
Hartberlin

If realy Newman is honest man why he did not shot a video his machnie working and with test euipment hook up, I realy suprise untill now even Lutec why the are ashame to show to the world motor working. as per claim. For Many years already passed but no video motor run in their website. I dont know if this video cost too much to them.

At present the only video motor working now is from ismael aviso which he just recently discover (last month of May and less than a month only ) the FYMEGM energy. Pls advice me if there are some of like ismael motor which i can start to study. I hear a lot of scam news regarding high efficient motor or overunity motor which are not true after they bought a book or plan.

iald



Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: timi on December 02, 2005, 01:23:41 PM
hi i'am new in experiments here but i got the idea of creating that machine on my own for testing and much more couriousity. can someone please show me at least the schematics of that machine. 

many thanks TIMI.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: erickrieg on June 07, 2006, 02:22:05 PM
I have been following the many claims by Newman for 10 years now.  I offered him $10,000 to just show me real proof of something working - he has only threatend to beat me up and sue me.   I have talked to people who have lost big money to Newman during his 30 years of promising to have a machine that makes energy for no fuel.  There have been scores of people who bought his book and tried to make even a device that can self power - they have not been able to do it.
   Newman regularly claims to be demonstrating machines that put out more energy than they take in with batteries - but he has yet to simply demonstrate a device that makes enough output energy so that it doesn't need conventional input energy.
    There is a long list of people promising free energy machines, but who only rip off investors.  One should learn the difference between them and sincere investigators who only try to get something working.

Eric Krieg
www.phact.org/e/z/newman.htm
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on June 07, 2006, 04:22:26 PM
Hi Eric,
it would be nice, if you would forward some people,
who have been ripped off by Newman to this forum, so that they
could post their own  story and tell us exactly,
how they were ripped off...
I only hear all the time you telling us these story,
but I never came across anybody real, who would
tell it me personally..
So please try to get these people onboard and tell
us their personal experience with Newman.
As I visited Newman 1987 in Lucedale, I know him
and yes, he might be a bit "complicated", but I had
a good and sincere experience with  him.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on June 07, 2006, 04:23:25 PM
Timi,
you can find all things about Newman over here:


http://harti.com/newman2/
http://harti.com/newman/
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: erickrieg on June 07, 2006, 06:03:56 PM
fair enough, I think it would go with out saying that some of Newman's investors must have gotten nervous about lack of anything that can be sold during 30 years of different people paying money to him.   One person who really came forward with an account that I remember right off the top of my head was a motor technician by the name of Norm Biss who worked in Erie.  Last I know he did some work in Maryland a few years ago.  I met Norm in person and had him  speak to my skeptics group years back.  He used to post to some of the same forums you were on.  If you are willing to call him up, I can try to look him up so you can speak with him if you simply want to make sure that he is a real person, not a figment of my imagination.   His account largely follows and is found at
http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm  (naturally, unlike the Newman side, I host a rebuttal from the other point of veiw) right on the same page.

part of Norm's story of working with Joe:

 Its gyro man, Joe Newman...... he's everywhere, he's everywhere..... well,
actually, he's nowhere! (Except, maybe by now, he's behind bars).

Be forewarned: if you are an investor in Joe Newman's energy machine, you will
probably never see any return on your investment. He appears to be running a scam. If you
are thinking of investing your capital in his venture, think carefully and
read the following. Please bear in mind that Joe Newman is a smooth talker,
very glib, very convincing liar and will twist what you say, to make himself
look good.

My name is Norm Biss and I live in Erie PA. Today's date is 13 Aug.' 98

The following is a factual and true account of me and the company I am
employed by. It involves the manufacture of a full size prototype motor
utilizing Joe Newman's "theory".

Being of reasonable mind and sound mental faculties, this 59 year old motor
technician (myself) wishes to disclose dealings involving what I feel are treacherous and
dishonest actions of Joseph Westley Newman- who I consider a common thief"

At this point let me state for the record that I felt Joe Newman was somewhat
of an autistic savant. He can be somewhat brilliant at times, at other times,
he is extremely obtuse and downright stupid. If you could unscrew the top of
his head and look inside, you would probably find a gyroscope with the gimbals
uncaged.

In June, 1998, Joe Newman called the company I work for and asked for me. He
wanted to know how interested I and / or my company would be in developing a
prototype of his energy machine. I was immediately interested; however it was
not my decision to make. After conferring with the owner of the company I work
for, we decided to do it.

A matter of clarification is in order: both my employer and I had read
Joe Newman's books on his energy machine,. I still had to put on my best
salesman's face to convince my employer. He trusted my judgment. My employer
is a man of honor, and when he agrees to something, he stands behind it. As we
now know, Joe Newman is the complete opposite. His word is worthless!

After deciding in the affirmative, I then returned Joe Newman's call and
informed him we would be willing to sponsor and build a prototype of his
energy machine. Since our company is in the motor repair and service business,
we were well qualified. I mention this because I feel it is important you
understand that this motor was to be manufactured by highly qualified
technicians and machinists with all-necessary equipment and materials. This
was a team effort by highly qualified professionals! So as you read this, you
will understand that people who take pride in building and rebuilding electric
motors were involved in the project.

The primary condition for sponsoring and building this prototype was that we
would be able to completely run a comprehensive battery of tests on the
prototype. This was made very clear to me as a condition of sponsorship. I
informed Joe Newman. And he agreed. (If you have read any of Joe Newman's
material, you will notice he is always crying because no one wants to properly
test his motor.) we wanted test results that would stand up. Results that
could be obtained by anyone who would test it. There would be no skewing of
the figures to get what we wanted, but cold, hard data. In other words, let
the motor stand or fall on its own abilities.

If it does as proclaimed by Joe Newman, great. No one would be happier than
the company I work for and myself. If it failed, so be it. We would have taken
a risk and lost, chalked it up to r&d, and went on to other things.

When all tests would have been completed, Joe Newman could have possession of
the motor. If the results would have proven Joe Newman's theory, we would have
geared up for production on a large scale.

I asked Joe Newman to send me some parameters to start a prototype. What Joe
faxed me was a very crude drawing of a motor lamination. He also (by
telephone) told me what ID and OD of steel pipe to use for the field housing,
how long the field housing was to be and the length of armature laminations
and length of armature shaft. As you will see, Joe had no plans for a real
motor. The figures on dimensions didn't seem right to me, so I broke out my
engineering books and cranked in some formulas.

Because of the support distance between bearings, Joe's shaft diameter would
have developed .60 of and inch "slap". Because we needed .070 of an inch air
gap, this was unacceptable. The shaft diameter had to be increased by 25% . In
addition, the slot gaps had to be increased by 25%to facilitate proper coil
insertion. I called Joe back and told him of the changes that were necessary,
and why. He agreed, but wanted no other changes, he also told me what size
wire to use.

I (not Joe Newman) completely designed a motor from his sketchy information.
(Joe evidently didn't put much thought, research or effort into his life's
work!) I worked out all mathematics for the electrical and mechanical aspects
of this motor. Furthermore, I did all the drafting and mechanical drawings for
the prototype. These drawings are copyrighted and patent is pending!

I spent many hours locating, the proper material. (Remember, this is a
prototype built to Joe's specs., so very few items were available
off-the-shelf) for example, the permanent magnets for the field housing were
exceedingly difficult to locate. I finally found a company who was willing to
modify one of it's molds to accommodate our needs. Lead-time was 8 weeks. My
prints were made to utilize these very unique items. Though very expensive,
these magnets called "motor arcs" would provide perfect air gap and uniform
field strength. Just as importantly, everything would fit together with a
minimum of problems.

Joe Newman arrives and immediately problems develop. Joe just can't wait 8
weeks for motor arcs. He brings his own magnets! Meanwhile, I've accumulated
most of the parts manufactured to print specs. The laminations (laser cut to
special dimensions) have arrived and been stacked, we will manufacture the end
bells, but they've not been done yet. Because we've lots of time (i.e. the 8
weeks lead-time on motor arcs).

Joe's in a big rush (why).? his magnets are neodymium, and quite powerful,
but... they are rectangular! He wants to install them anyway. After all, they
have the same magnetic height the motor arcs have. For all of Joe Newman's
supposed genius, (he openly boasts to all that he is: "the worlds greatest
scientist" which I will hereafter refer to as W.G.S.) he had not the faintest
idea of what a chord line was in reference to the circumference of a circle.
Remember that he wants to put rectangular magnets inside a steel pipe. Only
the edges of the magnets will be in contact with the circumference of the
steel pipe. In addition there will be an angle between parallel rows of
magnets. Good old Joe had not figured out it would get a little crowded in
there.

Major problem! Now the pipe must be bored to allow for armature clearance,
also the rectangular magnets will create an uneven air gap because clearance
must be obtained across the flat surface of the magnets.

At this point, serious doubt begins to creep into my mind about Joe Newman's
ability to build a real motor. Because he has a good idea in his energy
device, he thinks he is a master motor man. His knowledge is, at best,
superficial" at worst, non existent! As this continues, you will see just how
ignorant and stupid he really is when it comes to producing his life's work
for humanity.

This man knows nothing about building an electric motor! So what! That's not a
shortcoming. You go to people who do have that ability. Joe did just that. But
then he still insisted on doing it his own way. During the course of building
this motor, Joe was completely ignorant of common practices that I took for
granted he knew: " growl the armature "? " what's that do"? When it was
explained to him, his reply was "waste of time", "don't need it". Just slow me
up". Bar to bar: hipot: megging: all alien to Joe's vocabulary. Not just the
words, but the concepts. End-caps. Slot cells. Midstrips. Kapton. Nomex. VPI.
Class "H" insulation. Bearing heater. Endplay. Valhalla low ohms tester.
Variac. Neutral point. Interference fit. Winding horn. Tamper. Staking tool.
All these were things Joe had no idea about. Furthermore, Joe had no interest
in learning about or utilizing these things, " back -- iron"? What's that"?
"Oh! " don't need it."

Because there is a limit to the amount of inside diameter you can remove from
a piece of pipe and still have any structural wall left, the boring was still
far short of the amount required. He insists on using what is left!? back --
iron, taken into consideration during original design, is now seriously
impaired.

Baseplate, frame and mounting feet are all tack-welded together. Heat
generated during this process had to cause warpage to the now thin walled
pipe. Joe's not concerned! " hurry up"! " can't waste time"!

So Joe proceeds to install his rectangular magnets. I had located a special
bonding agent for securing magnets. It had just arrived and I hadn't had a
chance to do any tests on it prior to usage. This was a 2 part epoxy which "
kicked over" in about 2 minutes and was approved for electric motors. Full
cure would be achieved in about 4 hours. It was designed for use at full
surface area contact between magnet and surface to be adhered to. Since only
the edges of Joe's rectangular magnets would be touching the curved surface of
the pipe, I needed to do some tests. Furthermore, the epoxy was not designed
as a "fill" and could only cover .030 of an inch gap! Joe had nearly one
eighth of an inch gap between the flat of the magnet and curvature of the
pipe. Joe refuses to run tests. He begins to install magnets, after physically
holding the first one in place, he complains that it is taking too long. Scrap
the epoxy! Joe goes out and gets "Bondo." uhh", Joe. "What"? " I don't think
that's an approved bonding agent for electric motors." " look, Norm, I used
this all my life". " it's the best thing you can get." "Fine", let me see the
spec sheet". Joe says," don't have one". " don't need it"! "Well, how about
the M.S.D.S? " what's that? " Material Safety Data Sheet". Joe says he never
used one before and does not need one now. What am I trying to do: "sabotage
his life's work?"

So without heeding any mixing ratios, Joe grabs one of my expensive (snap on)
screwdrivers and commences to stir and mix his Bondo. " Boy, Norm": "This
stuff mixes real nice on this sheet of material!" What is it, anyway?" " Oh,
that"? "Just a $20.00 sheet of Nomex, Joe".

I had made two strips of wood the exact width of the gaps between poles. Clamp
them in place 180 degrees apart and the magnets could be aligned perfectly
parallel to provide uniform fields. Clamps were too much trouble for Joe. He
fiber glassed them in place. He (or no one else) would be able to remove them
when finished, without ripping loose magnets. Joe gets the first row of
magnets in. But then the second row gives him trouble. For some strange reason
the anchored in north magnets wants to repel the second row of north magnets,
in addition, his random mix ratios on the fiberglass has changed cure time.
Not a problem! Joe goes out and buys enough "SuperGlue" to cement a battle
ship together. There are now 3 different bonding agents used inside the field
housing and nobody has any idea of what the interaction between them will be.
Joe's not concerned. Magnets are still "squirting" around when pressure is
released from them. Also, it seems the " super glue" likes Joe's fingers. Joe
buys Saran Wrap to put around his hands. This solves that problem. We now
have, inside the pipe, north and south pole magnets, epoxy, fiberglass, super
glue, human skin and bits of Saran Wrap, in God only knows what ratio.
Furthermore, no two fiberglass ratios were ever equal. But.......... Joe is
done. He is ecstatic! I am in awe. I have just discovered one of the secrets
of Joseph Newman's energy machine. Boy, ole Joe sure is clever. No one will
accidentally discover his secrets!

He still does not have clearance for the armature. No problem! " send it out
and get it bored". "Uhh, Joe." pardon me for mentioning this, but don't you
imagine a boring bar might develop a little " chatter" inside there" the
boring bar would have to be 3 feet long". "Also, there is another small
problem" in order to remove the pipe from the frame, it will have to be cut
off by a torch." you could very well exceed the curie temperature of the
magnets" "if you were very careful, you could probably cut it off with a die
grinder and a cutting disc," but then, how do you reassemble," "oops"!! "
there's that nasty old torch again"!

But, Joe is the worlds greatest scientist so he' ll think of something.
"What"? "You say a hone"? "Very good Joe"! One minor problem. A hone that size
is not available locally. It's a special order item: take a few days to get. "
oh"! You've located one?" And it's only one inch smaller than we need?" " how
does that work Joe"? " you're going to wobble it around the inside of these
very powerful magnets to remove excess material?" " and your arm is going to
be fully extended inside the pipe?' who's going to do this?" " King Kong?" and
how do you achieve a uniform cut?"

 Im just a poor ignorant technician, but I do know the effect between steel
and a magnet. Joe, your wobble is going to be automatic... and violent!

So Joe uses the undersized hone. "What's that Joe! The stones must be
inferior? Oh I see ! you've broke how many? So that idea gets scrapped.

Joe uses flapper wheels next to obtain the necessary clearance. When finished
the inside circumference looks like a washboard. I'm informed by Joe that the
field housing now has the necessary clearance. I asked him how he checked the
bore for clearance? He informed me that he had passed one of the extra
"lamentations" all the way through the bore and had good clearance. I asked
him to repeat it, and he did. I told him I did not understand. He tells me
that as a motor repair man I should know what "lamentations" was. I told him I
did indeed know what " lamentations" was: a book in the bible.

Joe got angry and vented his spleen for about 5 minutes, accusing me of
sabotaging his life's work. In truth I only wanted to produce a quality
prototype. I informed him that laminations were so called because they are
made of laminate steel.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on June 09, 2006, 12:07:46 PM
Hi Eric,
it would be good, if we would hear from more people firsthand and
not the same old stories again and again.
Norman Biss was a not very trusty person.
I had myself had some email exchange with him and
when I answered the right questions, he never gave any answers
and he seemed to have no knowledge of the Newman technology and
he also never came forward with the 2nd Newman motor he wanted to
finish himself... So I don?t put much trust in all his words...

Please tell other people, who you said, were ripped off to come over here
and please tell their personal stories themself, so we can deceide,
if your claims are valid.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: Landor on July 03, 2006, 09:01:23 AM
Hi all,
 
New guy on the block but a bit older in years.

I have on my work bench a machine which has 12 permanent magnets and 16 electromagnets on it.

Imagine that back to back then I connect to a 12v battery and am at present running constantly at 400 rpm with quite good torque. I am playing with the coils to maximise their pulse.

I can recreate the coil plates and magnets so that as the discs spin past the fixed magnets they too generate current. This is tapped into to drop the battery offline and have a lotmore over to power out.

Basic at this stage but have proved the principles involved work.
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: FreeEnergy on July 03, 2006, 09:30:42 AM
Hi all,
 
New guy on the block but a bit older in years.

I have on my work bench a machine which has 12 permanent magnets and 16 electromagnets on it.

Imagine that back to back then I connect to a 12v battery and am at present running constantly at 400 rpm with quite good torque. I am playing with the coils to maximise their pulse.

I can recreate the coil plates and magnets so that as the discs spin past the fixed magnets they too generate current. This is tapped into to drop the battery offline and have a lotmore over to power out.

Basic at this stage but have proved the principles involved work.

and? where is the pics/vids/links?

thanks in advanced :D
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: Landor on July 04, 2006, 12:22:49 AM
My email is colin.kinross@protrac.co.nz if you wish to look at a vid clip of this machine in operation I will send it to you. Can I trust you not to broadcast it to others?
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: FreeEnergy on July 04, 2006, 04:16:56 AM
ok
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: hartiberlin on July 04, 2006, 01:32:12 PM
@Landor
Is it s Newman machine ?
Title: Re: Newman press conference
Post by: Landor on July 05, 2006, 12:17:44 AM
Hmmm nope. Wellnot that I am aware of and agian I make the statement in my past experience with making these units when it comes to making a real machine there are so many things that change that the power, pulse needed to run a larger machine alters dramatically from a dinky toy. That is why most fall off the radar because it becomes a quantum leap which most can not over come.

I am not making any rash statements about things yet as I am still in early development but the principles I am employing seem to be working at this stage so it is looking very encouraging.