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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2005, 09:14:51 AM »
Yes, Sugra,
in my email exchange with Norman Biss it got clear,
that he had no knowledge at all about the Newman technology
and the need of the sparking commutator !
So Newman was probably annoyed, that Biss knew everything
better, but hadn?t studied the technology.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2005, 09:14:51 AM »

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2005, 01:52:25 PM »
concerning Norm Biss, I have met with him in person - he made every effort to get the Newman technology to work.   Maybe you think you understand something about Newman technolgy and of course think Biss doesn't see something in there you do.  Fine.  The fact remains that Biss never saw any good evidence the machine had any hope of making E=Mc^2 energy as Newman promised, he found Newman to be very poor at building motors and he found Newman to be unstable and dishonorable.   I've talked to others who have tried to help Newman and reached similar conclusions.   In the many years  since then, Biss has built many working useful motors and generators that make the world a better place and Newman has . . . . . .

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2005, 04:57:33 PM »
Hmm, well, I never met Norman Biss , but I communicated via email with him and
I did see, that he had not the slighest knowledge about the Newman machines
nad I have built Newman motors and they show the same
effects Newman claims and it seems Biss did not build the second motor he wanted to build for Newman
and he never came forward with it. So I don?t trust Biss at all.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2005, 04:57:33 PM »
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2005, 06:33:48 AM »
I think it is important to see the huge difference between the motor Norman Biss was making at Newman's request (curent carying armature with feromagnetic laminations and fixed PM field) and what Newman had done in the past (air coil, large L/R comes from huge copper mass rather than feromagnetic structure). It is a mystery to me how a "production version" could be so fundamentally different from the "prototype". Common commercial DC motors have a carbon brush and copper or bronze commutator yet do not show the "Newman effect".

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2005, 01:58:30 PM »
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Common commercial DC motors have a carbon brush and copper or bronze commutator yet do not show the "Newman effect".

Yes, Newman uses just a different commutator to "flush" all the coil energy out after every commutator break, so
there is no overlapping of the commutator segments, which are are in the normal commutators.
so every commutator segment has a long enough gap, so the coil always produces BACK EMF Voltage that
is flowing back to the battery via a spark jump and which recharges the battery and produces these
huge RF bursts, which can power incand. bubls in series with the coil.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2005, 01:58:30 PM »
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2005, 05:04:01 PM »
Hartberlin

If realy Newman is honest man why he did not shot a video his machnie working and with test euipment hook up, I realy suprise untill now even Lutec why the are ashame to show to the world motor working. as per claim. For Many years already passed but no video motor run in their website. I dont know if this video cost too much to them.

At present the only video motor working now is from ismael aviso which he just recently discover (last month of May and less than a month only ) the FYMEGM energy. Pls advice me if there are some of like ismael motor which i can start to study. I hear a lot of scam news regarding high efficient motor or overunity motor which are not true after they bought a book or plan.

iald




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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2005, 01:23:41 PM »
hi i'am new in experiments here but i got the idea of creating that machine on my own for testing and much more couriousity. can someone please show me at least the schematics of that machine. 

many thanks TIMI.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2005, 01:23:41 PM »
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2006, 02:22:05 PM »
I have been following the many claims by Newman for 10 years now.  I offered him $10,000 to just show me real proof of something working - he has only threatend to beat me up and sue me.   I have talked to people who have lost big money to Newman during his 30 years of promising to have a machine that makes energy for no fuel.  There have been scores of people who bought his book and tried to make even a device that can self power - they have not been able to do it.
   Newman regularly claims to be demonstrating machines that put out more energy than they take in with batteries - but he has yet to simply demonstrate a device that makes enough output energy so that it doesn't need conventional input energy.
    There is a long list of people promising free energy machines, but who only rip off investors.  One should learn the difference between them and sincere investigators who only try to get something working.

Eric Krieg
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2006, 04:22:26 PM »
Hi Eric,
it would be nice, if you would forward some people,
who have been ripped off by Newman to this forum, so that they
could post their own  story and tell us exactly,
how they were ripped off...
I only hear all the time you telling us these story,
but I never came across anybody real, who would
tell it me personally..
So please try to get these people onboard and tell
us their personal experience with Newman.
As I visited Newman 1987 in Lucedale, I know him
and yes, he might be a bit "complicated", but I had
a good and sincere experience with  him.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2006, 04:22:26 PM »
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2006, 04:23:25 PM »
Timi,
you can find all things about Newman over here:


http://harti.com/newman2/
http://harti.com/newman/

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2006, 06:03:56 PM »
fair enough, I think it would go with out saying that some of Newman's investors must have gotten nervous about lack of anything that can be sold during 30 years of different people paying money to him.   One person who really came forward with an account that I remember right off the top of my head was a motor technician by the name of Norm Biss who worked in Erie.  Last I know he did some work in Maryland a few years ago.  I met Norm in person and had him  speak to my skeptics group years back.  He used to post to some of the same forums you were on.  If you are willing to call him up, I can try to look him up so you can speak with him if you simply want to make sure that he is a real person, not a figment of my imagination.   His account largely follows and is found at
http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm  (naturally, unlike the Newman side, I host a rebuttal from the other point of veiw) right on the same page.

part of Norm's story of working with Joe:

 Its gyro man, Joe Newman...... he's everywhere, he's everywhere..... well,
actually, he's nowhere! (Except, maybe by now, he's behind bars).

Be forewarned: if you are an investor in Joe Newman's energy machine, you will
probably never see any return on your investment. He appears to be running a scam. If you
are thinking of investing your capital in his venture, think carefully and
read the following. Please bear in mind that Joe Newman is a smooth talker,
very glib, very convincing liar and will twist what you say, to make himself
look good.

My name is Norm Biss and I live in Erie PA. Today's date is 13 Aug.' 98

The following is a factual and true account of me and the company I am
employed by. It involves the manufacture of a full size prototype motor
utilizing Joe Newman's "theory".

Being of reasonable mind and sound mental faculties, this 59 year old motor
technician (myself) wishes to disclose dealings involving what I feel are treacherous and
dishonest actions of Joseph Westley Newman- who I consider a common thief"

At this point let me state for the record that I felt Joe Newman was somewhat
of an autistic savant. He can be somewhat brilliant at times, at other times,
he is extremely obtuse and downright stupid. If you could unscrew the top of
his head and look inside, you would probably find a gyroscope with the gimbals
uncaged.

In June, 1998, Joe Newman called the company I work for and asked for me. He
wanted to know how interested I and / or my company would be in developing a
prototype of his energy machine. I was immediately interested; however it was
not my decision to make. After conferring with the owner of the company I work
for, we decided to do it.

A matter of clarification is in order: both my employer and I had read
Joe Newman's books on his energy machine,. I still had to put on my best
salesman's face to convince my employer. He trusted my judgment. My employer
is a man of honor, and when he agrees to something, he stands behind it. As we
now know, Joe Newman is the complete opposite. His word is worthless!

After deciding in the affirmative, I then returned Joe Newman's call and
informed him we would be willing to sponsor and build a prototype of his
energy machine. Since our company is in the motor repair and service business,
we were well qualified. I mention this because I feel it is important you
understand that this motor was to be manufactured by highly qualified
technicians and machinists with all-necessary equipment and materials. This
was a team effort by highly qualified professionals! So as you read this, you
will understand that people who take pride in building and rebuilding electric
motors were involved in the project.

The primary condition for sponsoring and building this prototype was that we
would be able to completely run a comprehensive battery of tests on the
prototype. This was made very clear to me as a condition of sponsorship. I
informed Joe Newman. And he agreed. (If you have read any of Joe Newman's
material, you will notice he is always crying because no one wants to properly
test his motor.) we wanted test results that would stand up. Results that
could be obtained by anyone who would test it. There would be no skewing of
the figures to get what we wanted, but cold, hard data. In other words, let
the motor stand or fall on its own abilities.

If it does as proclaimed by Joe Newman, great. No one would be happier than
the company I work for and myself. If it failed, so be it. We would have taken
a risk and lost, chalked it up to r&d, and went on to other things.

When all tests would have been completed, Joe Newman could have possession of
the motor. If the results would have proven Joe Newman's theory, we would have
geared up for production on a large scale.

I asked Joe Newman to send me some parameters to start a prototype. What Joe
faxed me was a very crude drawing of a motor lamination. He also (by
telephone) told me what ID and OD of steel pipe to use for the field housing,
how long the field housing was to be and the length of armature laminations
and length of armature shaft. As you will see, Joe had no plans for a real
motor. The figures on dimensions didn't seem right to me, so I broke out my
engineering books and cranked in some formulas.

Because of the support distance between bearings, Joe's shaft diameter would
have developed .60 of and inch "slap". Because we needed .070 of an inch air
gap, this was unacceptable. The shaft diameter had to be increased by 25% . In
addition, the slot gaps had to be increased by 25%to facilitate proper coil
insertion. I called Joe back and told him of the changes that were necessary,
and why. He agreed, but wanted no other changes, he also told me what size
wire to use.

I (not Joe Newman) completely designed a motor from his sketchy information.
(Joe evidently didn't put much thought, research or effort into his life's
work!) I worked out all mathematics for the electrical and mechanical aspects
of this motor. Furthermore, I did all the drafting and mechanical drawings for
the prototype. These drawings are copyrighted and patent is pending!

I spent many hours locating, the proper material. (Remember, this is a
prototype built to Joe's specs., so very few items were available
off-the-shelf) for example, the permanent magnets for the field housing were
exceedingly difficult to locate. I finally found a company who was willing to
modify one of it's molds to accommodate our needs. Lead-time was 8 weeks. My
prints were made to utilize these very unique items. Though very expensive,
these magnets called "motor arcs" would provide perfect air gap and uniform
field strength. Just as importantly, everything would fit together with a
minimum of problems.

Joe Newman arrives and immediately problems develop. Joe just can't wait 8
weeks for motor arcs. He brings his own magnets! Meanwhile, I've accumulated
most of the parts manufactured to print specs. The laminations (laser cut to
special dimensions) have arrived and been stacked, we will manufacture the end
bells, but they've not been done yet. Because we've lots of time (i.e. the 8
weeks lead-time on motor arcs).

Joe's in a big rush (why).? his magnets are neodymium, and quite powerful,
but... they are rectangular! He wants to install them anyway. After all, they
have the same magnetic height the motor arcs have. For all of Joe Newman's
supposed genius, (he openly boasts to all that he is: "the worlds greatest
scientist" which I will hereafter refer to as W.G.S.) he had not the faintest
idea of what a chord line was in reference to the circumference of a circle.
Remember that he wants to put rectangular magnets inside a steel pipe. Only
the edges of the magnets will be in contact with the circumference of the
steel pipe. In addition there will be an angle between parallel rows of
magnets. Good old Joe had not figured out it would get a little crowded in
there.

Major problem! Now the pipe must be bored to allow for armature clearance,
also the rectangular magnets will create an uneven air gap because clearance
must be obtained across the flat surface of the magnets.

At this point, serious doubt begins to creep into my mind about Joe Newman's
ability to build a real motor. Because he has a good idea in his energy
device, he thinks he is a master motor man. His knowledge is, at best,
superficial" at worst, non existent! As this continues, you will see just how
ignorant and stupid he really is when it comes to producing his life's work
for humanity.

This man knows nothing about building an electric motor! So what! That's not a
shortcoming. You go to people who do have that ability. Joe did just that. But
then he still insisted on doing it his own way. During the course of building
this motor, Joe was completely ignorant of common practices that I took for
granted he knew: " growl the armature "? " what's that do"? When it was
explained to him, his reply was "waste of time", "don't need it". Just slow me
up". Bar to bar: hipot: megging: all alien to Joe's vocabulary. Not just the
words, but the concepts. End-caps. Slot cells. Midstrips. Kapton. Nomex. VPI.
Class "H" insulation. Bearing heater. Endplay. Valhalla low ohms tester.
Variac. Neutral point. Interference fit. Winding horn. Tamper. Staking tool.
All these were things Joe had no idea about. Furthermore, Joe had no interest
in learning about or utilizing these things, " back -- iron"? What's that"?
"Oh! " don't need it."

Because there is a limit to the amount of inside diameter you can remove from
a piece of pipe and still have any structural wall left, the boring was still
far short of the amount required. He insists on using what is left!? back --
iron, taken into consideration during original design, is now seriously
impaired.

Baseplate, frame and mounting feet are all tack-welded together. Heat
generated during this process had to cause warpage to the now thin walled
pipe. Joe's not concerned! " hurry up"! " can't waste time"!

So Joe proceeds to install his rectangular magnets. I had located a special
bonding agent for securing magnets. It had just arrived and I hadn't had a
chance to do any tests on it prior to usage. This was a 2 part epoxy which "
kicked over" in about 2 minutes and was approved for electric motors. Full
cure would be achieved in about 4 hours. It was designed for use at full
surface area contact between magnet and surface to be adhered to. Since only
the edges of Joe's rectangular magnets would be touching the curved surface of
the pipe, I needed to do some tests. Furthermore, the epoxy was not designed
as a "fill" and could only cover .030 of an inch gap! Joe had nearly one
eighth of an inch gap between the flat of the magnet and curvature of the
pipe. Joe refuses to run tests. He begins to install magnets, after physically
holding the first one in place, he complains that it is taking too long. Scrap
the epoxy! Joe goes out and gets "Bondo." uhh", Joe. "What"? " I don't think
that's an approved bonding agent for electric motors." " look, Norm, I used
this all my life". " it's the best thing you can get." "Fine", let me see the
spec sheet". Joe says," don't have one". " don't need it"! "Well, how about
the M.S.D.S? " what's that? " Material Safety Data Sheet". Joe says he never
used one before and does not need one now. What am I trying to do: "sabotage
his life's work?"

So without heeding any mixing ratios, Joe grabs one of my expensive (snap on)
screwdrivers and commences to stir and mix his Bondo. " Boy, Norm": "This
stuff mixes real nice on this sheet of material!" What is it, anyway?" " Oh,
that"? "Just a $20.00 sheet of Nomex, Joe".

I had made two strips of wood the exact width of the gaps between poles. Clamp
them in place 180 degrees apart and the magnets could be aligned perfectly
parallel to provide uniform fields. Clamps were too much trouble for Joe. He
fiber glassed them in place. He (or no one else) would be able to remove them
when finished, without ripping loose magnets. Joe gets the first row of
magnets in. But then the second row gives him trouble. For some strange reason
the anchored in north magnets wants to repel the second row of north magnets,
in addition, his random mix ratios on the fiberglass has changed cure time.
Not a problem! Joe goes out and buys enough "SuperGlue" to cement a battle
ship together. There are now 3 different bonding agents used inside the field
housing and nobody has any idea of what the interaction between them will be.
Joe's not concerned. Magnets are still "squirting" around when pressure is
released from them. Also, it seems the " super glue" likes Joe's fingers. Joe
buys Saran Wrap to put around his hands. This solves that problem. We now
have, inside the pipe, north and south pole magnets, epoxy, fiberglass, super
glue, human skin and bits of Saran Wrap, in God only knows what ratio.
Furthermore, no two fiberglass ratios were ever equal. But.......... Joe is
done. He is ecstatic! I am in awe. I have just discovered one of the secrets
of Joseph Newman's energy machine. Boy, ole Joe sure is clever. No one will
accidentally discover his secrets!

He still does not have clearance for the armature. No problem! " send it out
and get it bored". "Uhh, Joe." pardon me for mentioning this, but don't you
imagine a boring bar might develop a little " chatter" inside there" the
boring bar would have to be 3 feet long". "Also, there is another small
problem" in order to remove the pipe from the frame, it will have to be cut
off by a torch." you could very well exceed the curie temperature of the
magnets" "if you were very careful, you could probably cut it off with a die
grinder and a cutting disc," but then, how do you reassemble," "oops"!! "
there's that nasty old torch again"!

But, Joe is the worlds greatest scientist so he' ll think of something.
"What"? "You say a hone"? "Very good Joe"! One minor problem. A hone that size
is not available locally. It's a special order item: take a few days to get. "
oh"! You've located one?" And it's only one inch smaller than we need?" " how
does that work Joe"? " you're going to wobble it around the inside of these
very powerful magnets to remove excess material?" " and your arm is going to
be fully extended inside the pipe?' who's going to do this?" " King Kong?" and
how do you achieve a uniform cut?"

 Im just a poor ignorant technician, but I do know the effect between steel
and a magnet. Joe, your wobble is going to be automatic... and violent!

So Joe uses the undersized hone. "What's that Joe! The stones must be
inferior? Oh I see ! you've broke how many? So that idea gets scrapped.

Joe uses flapper wheels next to obtain the necessary clearance. When finished
the inside circumference looks like a washboard. I'm informed by Joe that the
field housing now has the necessary clearance. I asked him how he checked the
bore for clearance? He informed me that he had passed one of the extra
"lamentations" all the way through the bore and had good clearance. I asked
him to repeat it, and he did. I told him I did not understand. He tells me
that as a motor repair man I should know what "lamentations" was. I told him I
did indeed know what " lamentations" was: a book in the bible.

Joe got angry and vented his spleen for about 5 minutes, accusing me of
sabotaging his life's work. In truth I only wanted to produce a quality
prototype. I informed him that laminations were so called because they are
made of laminate steel.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2006, 06:03:56 PM »
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2006, 12:07:46 PM »
Hi Eric,
it would be good, if we would hear from more people firsthand and
not the same old stories again and again.
Norman Biss was a not very trusty person.
I had myself had some email exchange with him and
when I answered the right questions, he never gave any answers
and he seemed to have no knowledge of the Newman technology and
he also never came forward with the 2nd Newman motor he wanted to
finish himself... So I don?t put much trust in all his words...

Please tell other people, who you said, were ripped off to come over here
and please tell their personal stories themself, so we can deceide,
if your claims are valid.
Many thanks.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2006, 09:01:23 AM »
Hi all,
 
New guy on the block but a bit older in years.

I have on my work bench a machine which has 12 permanent magnets and 16 electromagnets on it.

Imagine that back to back then I connect to a 12v battery and am at present running constantly at 400 rpm with quite good torque. I am playing with the coils to maximise their pulse.

I can recreate the coil plates and magnets so that as the discs spin past the fixed magnets they too generate current. This is tapped into to drop the battery offline and have a lotmore over to power out.

Basic at this stage but have proved the principles involved work.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2006, 09:30:42 AM »
Hi all,
 
New guy on the block but a bit older in years.

I have on my work bench a machine which has 12 permanent magnets and 16 electromagnets on it.

Imagine that back to back then I connect to a 12v battery and am at present running constantly at 400 rpm with quite good torque. I am playing with the coils to maximise their pulse.

I can recreate the coil plates and magnets so that as the discs spin past the fixed magnets they too generate current. This is tapped into to drop the battery offline and have a lotmore over to power out.

Basic at this stage but have proved the principles involved work.

and? where is the pics/vids/links?

thanks in advanced :D

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2006, 12:22:49 AM »
My email is colin.kinross@protrac.co.nz if you wish to look at a vid clip of this machine in operation I will send it to you. Can I trust you not to broadcast it to others?

 

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