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Offline hartiberlin

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Newman press conference
« on: April 01, 2005, 10:41:14 PM »
Hi All,
did somebody attend the latest Newman press conference recently ?
There was also said to to be some announcement tobe airedabout him
in the Canadian TV.
Do did somebody watch this and post a summary please ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Newman press conference
« on: April 01, 2005, 10:41:14 PM »

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2005, 05:41:49 PM »
Some one did attend the Joe Newman "press conference" in Washington DC a few days ago.

In brief, when they asked Joe questions he got mad and physically assualted them.

No  ACTUAL TEST results that prove "overunity" for Newman's "motor" where ever posted.
See www.josephnewman.com to see what Joe or Evan Soule' said about it.

But just try to get an answer to simple questions "How much power input"?
How much power output or torque and RPM?" 

Evan  Soule just obfuscates and claims that is only answered for investors. ;-=)
josephnewman@earthlink.net   is his e-mail address but Evan  Soule' does all
of Joe's publicity and e-mail.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2005, 07:16:29 PM »
All,
I am just copying the news announcement from Newman?s site over here:

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 30, 2005

The demonstration held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on March 28, 2005 went as predicted.

The 100-lb Newman Energy Machine contained a 70-lb coil with a rotor that operated at HIGH RPMS
with only MINUTE SPARKING as a result of the back-emf produced by the machine while it operates. 
The energy machine operated on a low voltage of only 30 volts consisting of five 6-volt batteries each
comprised of four 1.5 volt battery units -- with a current equivalent to that of any one of those 1.5 volt battery units.


Such important technical developments enable mass production of this technology to go forward!


I also wish to speak about another subject to the good people who support my life's work for humanity:


During the news conference I had to physically remove an individual from the conference room who,
along with his physicist cohort, had come to the news conference to heckle me and my work with
no interest in understanding the importance of my energy machine technology.


I will now tell you why I did that.  I am 68 years of age and I have experienced a LOT
during the course of my life.  When I saw the mannerisms of those two individuals towards
my presentation and heard their sarcastically-toned "forked" tongues, I became enraged. 
I was enraged for all humanity and for all creative minds that have ever been subjected
to such insensitive and uncaring attitudes.


For the past 40 years I have clearly seen that many so-called scientific intellectuals in high
positions of influence are FRAUDS.  Why?  Because they have the mentality of a parrot. 
They have simply memorized the great contributions of important scientific innovators of
the past and can quote those contributions like a parrot.  Yet at the same time,
they have absolutely no true understanding and especially curiosity regarding the subjects they quote.


I tried for years to get them to debate me and they always refused. 
They said the "burden of proof is on me."


I then put forth the absolute proof of a Unified Mechanical Field Theory,
followed by the Energy Machine.  But the mental cowards have still refused to debate me.


I do however give credit to more than 40 brave scientific individuals (physicists,
electrical engineers, nuclear engineers, mechanical engineers, etc.) who did come forth
and endorse the magnitude of my Mechanical Theory and the world importance for
humanity resulting from the development of my Energy Machine.


There is now available a 30 minute VHS or DVD video done by the news media
that proves all I have said and concludes with an unpublished song written and
sung by John Denver about the importance of my life's work for humanity. 
I urge you to see that video for yourself.  It may be ordered from JOSEPH NEWMAN PUBLISHING COMPANY,
Order/Processing Dept., 3725 South Division Street, Grand Rapids,
Michigan 49548for $10 plus $3 shipping/handling in the U.S. (overseas orders should add $3).


I have total contempt for the mental cowards and parrots in the scientific community
whose attitudes impede the progress of civilization for all humanity. 
And I give deep love and thanks to the courage of John Denver and others who have
helped the Energy Machine to go forward.


Sincerely,
Joseph W. Newman
===========================

So what is new is, that he has now a machine that just runs on 30 Volts.
Probably it runs on about 100 mA or less then. That would be just 3 Watts
of input power.
What did he drive with this motor ?

Does anybody know, how big this machine is ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2005, 07:16:29 PM »
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2005, 03:08:30 AM »
An update on that Newman "Press  Conference" that WASN'T!

The person Joe "threw out" has posted some comments about HIS side of the story.
ALso on energy2000@yahoogroups.com  someone from Canada saw Joe Newman
in interview on  Canadian Discovery Channel about his "press conference".
I'll paste the  Canadian's message here. Maybe you can try to contact www.cbc.ca
for Canadian Broadcast Company and see if you can get copy of the video.

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energy2000@yahoogroups.com

Message: 6         
   Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:09:13 -0500
   From: aq093 <aq093@ncf.ca>
Subject: Re: [FE_updates] Joseph Newman show; Dark Energy

To those working in, or who may be interested in advanced,
plentiful, clean energy sources:

Most, if not all of us, know about Joseph Newman's energy
machine: a type of magnetic motor which he claims is
over-unity. On or about MArch 28th, Mr. Newman had a media
conference at which his device was demonstrated.

I saw a video-taped clip of the news conference on the
CAnadian Discovery Channel Wednesday night. It showed a
small motor with what appeared to be a spinning plywood
rotor, and 4 cylindrical objects attached to the stator,
equidistant from each other. I would guess they were either
permanent, or electro magnets, but the stator area,
including the cylindrical objects, appeared to be covered
with some sort of fabric, so I couldn't really tell. I
clearly  noticed aqua-blue sparks emanating from one or more
of the cylindrical stator-mounted objects as the rotor spun.

At one point a fellow from the audience, who said he was a
physicist, asked to examine the rotary device to check for
any hidden source of energy, such as a battery, or wires to
an electrical outlet. At that point, Mr. Newman lost his
temper, and yelled at the man to leave the conference area.
In fact, as I saw it, Newman did not even give the fellow
enough time to leave, but assaulted him as he was on his way
out.

Afterward, Newman appeared at a video interview with the
host of "The Daily Planet", the daily show of science and
technology on the Canadian Discovery Channel which showed
the video-clip of Newman's conference. The host, Jay Ingram,
a science journalist, diplomatically asked Newman why he
assaulted the man in the audience. Newman said something
about the fellow in the audience challenging Newman's claim
that his device operated in any over-unity manner, and that
in Newman's view, such a question was improper. (Does this
justify assault???) Ingram also asked about Newman's
theory on how his device worked. Newman gave a nutshell of
his "gyroscopic" approach to atomic and particle spin or
vibration which I was trying to fit to what I had read about
electron spin and Quantum Physics from Tom Bearden and
others
via the Internet. Newman also made a definitive statement
that energy comes from matter, as if that were its sole
source. He gave me the impression that he felt that the
energy for his machine came from the magnet material itself,
and that there was no prior source for this energy.

In any case, Newman got his "foot in the door" on a
main-stream television channel (in CAnada, that is), which
was gfood not just for Newman, but for all those having an
interest in New Free Energy. Jay Ingram, the interviewer,
did not attempt to debunk Newman's claim of over-unity.
Ingram only questioned for device functionality and for
Newman's perspective and perception as to how his invention
worked. What we, the viewers, received was Newman's pitch
for his device, and I felt Ingram's interview was presented
to give the viewers the maximum possible information in the
time allowed, to let the viewers decide for themselves on
the probability that Newman's energy device works in
over-unity, as claimed.

Hal Ade
Ottawa, ON.
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2005, 07:43:31 AM »
Here is the video:

http://www.exn.ca/video/?video=exn20050331-energy.asx

Enjoy,
Prometheus_Effect

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Re: Newman press conference
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2005, 02:26:37 PM »
Hi Prometheus,
many thanks for posting the link to this video.
The guy with the long hair and bartman looked to me like "Rucki"
a local Berlin, Germany based guy, who always comes to local
free energy meetings.
Maybe he was just in the USA and attended there.
Yes, he is a bit complicated and doesn?t understand all the things
at first, this might be, why he asked dumb questions and then
Newman got angry and throwed him out ! ;)

Had a really good laugh ! ;)
LOL !

Well anyway, the new motor looks interesting, if it can be
run with just 30 Volts.
I wonder how many milliamps are required to run the
motor.
ALso the sparking is pretty big for this size, so I think
the batteries will really be reacharged very well.
Due to my own experiments it depends on the sparks
and the commutator contact material how well the
batteries will be recharged by the RF bursts during the sparking.

For more info see my old pages at:


http://www.harti.com/newman
http://www.harti.com/newman2

Regards. Stefan.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2005, 06:37:52 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Newman press conference video
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2005, 03:24:55 PM »
Hi All,
I have downloaded with ASFRecorder the video.
Unfortunately only the first part could be downloaded,
but it is also the most interesting part.
I have uploaded it now to:

http://www.harti.com/newman/newman_conference.wmv

Enjoy the part, when Newman throws out "Rucki" from the conference.

Normally Rucki is pretty kind, he always brings cookies with him to the
conferences, but maybe this time he did not understand, what he was hearing...
;)
 :D

Regards. Stefan.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2005, 04:33:52 AM »
I'm going to laugh myself right off my chair if that guy has him charged with assualt, and he even has video proof!
Lee B
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2005, 06:35:32 AM »
LOL, yes, if you would know "Rucki" you would piss your pants ! ;)

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2005, 09:13:05 PM »
that press conference sounded like classic Newman.  ??? He's threatend to punch me out as well.  It was funny to see aghast people in the audience.  I have info on eeven more strange newman behavior at
www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm

the following is some dialog from another list from people who were at the show:

> Cc:
> David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>,
>  "Dr. Robert Park - American Physical Society - UMD
>  College Park Physics Department)",
>  Mark Avrum Gubrud

>
> Subject:   
> Re: Mar.28 DC Newman press conference - "Otherwise" sounds like it
> went great
>
> Date:   
> Mar 29, 2005 4:05 PM

>
> At 6:37 PM -0800 3/29/05, Thomas wrote:
> At 07:45 PM 3/28/2005, David Crockett Williams wrote:
>
> Thanks for this report Evan.  I will look for news coverage and
> their evaluations of the presentation.
>
> Uh, excuse me, David, Evan's representations, are -- like as are
> apparently the claims of the would be Jesus freak Newman -- a soup of
> snake oil
>
> Unfortunately perhaps (Mark Gubrud) did not have enough background on
> the Newman
> machine or theory to know the past history, so this update fixes a
> framework
> of comparison to past larger models and the refinements you describe
> below.
>
> Nonsense, David.  I sat around for half hour, maybe 45 minutes,
> listening to theories (referencing Faraday's laws, and such), which
> kinda might seem sort of impressive (know what I mean?  Michael
> Faraday, physics?  Wow, I'm impressed.  Well, not really.  After all,
> I've listened to a lot of snake oil salesmen), quite frankly, I wasn't
> favorably impressed, because there was nothing solid in the
> presentations ... just theory and some favorable press coverage.
> NOTHING of any substance.  Nonetheless, being the open minded
> son-of-a-bitch that I am, I figured I'd give this Newman fellow the
> benefit of the doubt.
>
> At some point after I got to this road show, I happened to notice that
> Mark showed up.  He was standing in the back of the room.
>
> Then here comes Mr. Newman, he was late too, with this oversized
> hatbox devise which he hooked up to a box of batteries, and it turned
> this little wheel with a couple of lights on it.  Jeeze, what do I
> know, maybe this was some kind of profound illustration of physical
> truth, shucks I couldn't see it, but at this point, I kept my mouth
> shut.
>
> In the meantime Mark came from the back of the room and took a seat in
> the first row (I was behind him in the second row.  By the
> way,contrary to the optimistic picture Evan painted, it didn't seem
> that Mr. Newmans Press Club charade was any kind of success, there
> were a whole lot of empty seats at this ground-breaking event, and. it
> seemed to me, that almost the entire audience were Newman groupies.
>
> Then, David wrote:
>
> In any case, my skeptical friend Thomas apparently is the referenced
> "heckler" - although from their phone conversation apparently it was
> Mark who asked the question when picked to do so, "how does your
> motor differ from other kinds of motors" (didn't do his homework, but
> still a reasonable question for some occasion) and they said that is
> what set Mr. Newman off on Mark, and that Thomas just rose to defend
> the apparent legitimacy of the question whereupon he was grabbed
> by the collar and physically harassed.
>
> Not quite.  This is REALLY the way it went down.  After Mark moved
> into the first row, and was looking at this Newman hatbox thing, Mark
> raised his hand and got called on (by the esteemed Mr. Newman
> himself).  First Mark asked whether he could look under the lid of Mr.
> Newman's hatbox thing.  At this point the great humanitarian,
> christian, saviour of the SUV class, explained that Mark couldn't look
> under the lid, because the hatbox thing-a-ma-jig wasn't properly
> patented (Peek under the lid -- potential threat to the savior's
> pocketbook.  Oh yeah, we'd just heard the genius go on at some length
> about how the Navy had already ripped off his amazing hatbox.) Then
> Mark asked the question about how this hatbox differed from other
> kinds of motors.  Then the Newman character asks Mark what he's doing
> there (Get it?  What's Mark doing at the Press Club for this public
> scam that Newman set up, publicized, and invited the public to
> attend.  Like, is this guy playing with a full deck, or what?)
>
> This is where the Heckler comes in.  When the Maestro asked Mark what
> he was doing at his public event, and who invited him, being the
> consummate P in the A, at that I am, I said, "One of your biggest
> fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a physicist
> and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to examine your
> machine.
>
> It was at this point that the maniac flew off the handle, leapt off
> his podium, grabbed me by my sweater, and slung me against the wall. 
> Problem was, while this idiot is physically assaulting me, I was
> laughing so hard that, fortunately, I was unable to respond to his
> uncivilized behavior.  Perhaps my laughter disarmed the madman,
> whatever, at that point he seemed to lose his steam, and let go of my
> sweater.
>
> I do not think they had the intent to disrupt the news conference
> because I asked both of them to go and report on what they
> saw and invited Mark into a serious level scientific discussion
> about this machine due his sincere offer of his time to test it
> and support it to the scientific community if it passes his testing.
>
> You're right, David,we had absolutely no intention of disrupting his
> faux news conference. My point.is that this marvelous avatar of the
> alternative energy movement seems to be far more interested in selling
> books and making money than he is with illustrating the viability of
> his humorous hatbox.
>
> My apologies to Mr. Newman for this disturbance which was not
> my intent in asking Thomas and Mark to attend today.
>
> Whadda you apologizing to this wingnut for???  He should be
> apologizing to Mark and I.
>
> My apologies to Thomas and Mark for anything on my part that
> is behind this misunderstanding.
>
> Whadda apologizing to us for?  After all this Newman jerk invited the
> public to look at his scam.  If he can't deal with the heat he oughta
> get out of the kitchen.
>
> One view is that "well if Newman had something real, he would
> answer the questions satisfactorily".
>
> Sounds reasonable.  So we're left wondering:  Why is Newman so adverse
> to satisfactorily answering questions?
>
> But Joseph Newman has been through all this over and over
> and knows from people's tone of voices etc when he feels
> his truthfulness is being challenged blindly or due prejudice
> against this whole genre of "new energy techs".
>
> Poor guy, he's been through all this over and over.  Shit!  He
> deserves it.
>
> Look at it!  This nut case continuously talks in terms of his
> "opponents."  Mark and I obviously fell into this "opponent" category
> ... notwithstanding the fact that we weren't (at that point, anyway)
> "opponents," but were merely inquiring minds.  So what you got here,
> it seems to me, is a paranoid, schizophrenic, physically abusive, nut
> job named Joe.  Poooor guy.  People challenging his truthfulness,  oh
> my!  David, give me a break, anybody who doesn't question this guy's
> claims has got to be some kind of a sycophant, or just plain
> gullible.
>
> Personality problems has now today jumped to the top of my
> list of reasons why these new energy technologies are "not
> already out there".
>
> I humbly disagree.  I don't think it's so much personality problems as
> it is capitalistic, money grubbing, "Who invited you?", "opponent,"
> lying, paranoia.
>
> Then the Just Normally ParanoidCo. wrote"
>
> From: "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>
> To: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
> Subject:    News conference update
> Date:    Mar 28, 2005 4:39 PM
>
> David --
>
>
> At the news conference the table-top-sized energy machine performed
> beautifully --  the latest innovation of the EM technology proved two
> things:
>
> Yeah, right, seemed like it, kind of, but you can't look under the
> lid.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Just note that
> the little wheel, with the two cool little lights, that's hooked up to
> a box of batteries, is spinning around, and be unquestioningly
> impressed.
>
> 1. Opponents of Joseph Newman do not deny that the technology produces
> significant torque,
>
> Here we have it:  "Opponents of Joseph Newman."  Except, how the heck
> can one affirm or deny whether this hatbox is doing anything other
> than spinning a little wheel with a couple of lights on it, if one
> can't look under the lid, because the Saviour wants to insure that his
> financial interests aren't threatened?
>
> Oh yeah, lest we forget, buy his book.
>
> 2. Opponents of Joseph Newman claim that the back-emf sparking
> produced by
> the energy machine is unmanageable and can never be controlled.  On
> Monday,
> March 28, 2005, Joseph Newman demonstrated complete control of that
> sparking
> effect.
>
> Here we have that same old paranoid rap again:  "Opponents of Joseph
> Newman."  The guy isn't even a worthy opponent.  Who' in their right
> would even want to waste time crossing mental swords with this
> imbecile?
>
> At one point during the presentation, one individual attempted to
> heckle
> Joseph Newman and challenge his integrity.  The heckler was then
> offered the
> following challenge by a news conference attendee from Michigan:  That
> Michigan attendee would put up $20,000 if the heckler would put up
> $5,000
> for a test of the technology.  If the machine was not found to operate
> as
> stated, then the heckler would be paid $20,000.  However, if the test
> confirmed the operation of the machine as stated, then the heckler
> would
> donate that $5,000 to a charity.
>
> "Integrity"?????  Gimme a break.  Further on this paragraph is total
> bullshit.  But, nonetheless, instructive to some degree.  Instructive
> to the degree that these con artists are money oriented (20 grand). 
> But where the major bullshit comes in is that this fictional exchange
> with the "heckler" never occurred  ... at least no where near where,
> or under the circumstances claimed.  This Newman character, or some of
> his facilitators, had arranged for several video cameras to record his
> historical faux news conference.  So you needn't take my word on this
> particular issue, assuming these hucksters will release the videos
> (which they probably won't, because that would conclusively illustrate
> that they are bald faced liars), the videos will absolutely prove that
> this multi-thousand challenge did not occur at the "news" conference.
>
> Prove me wrong (please).  I was the alleged "heckler."  Mark Gubrud
> showed up for this alleged "news conference" at the request of myself
> , and/or the most dedicated fan of Swami Newman, David Crockett
> Williams.  As a physicist, Mark thought he was going to get a chance
> to peek under the lid of this amazing hatbox.  Well, the Swami nixed
> that.
>
> Anyway, what actually happened with respect to this big bucks deal was
> that AFTER we left the alleged news conference Thomas (that's me, the
> alleged heckler), and Mark were waiting for the elevator, far away
> from the alleged news conference.  At that time we were approached by
> Arthur W. Morris, a "certified microscopist," from Bloomfield Hills,
> Michigan (utillc@comcast.net).  It was then and there, at the
> elevator, far from Mr. Newman's snake oil show, and away from the
> video cameras (which is why these weasels won't document their flat
> out lies by providing a copy of that tape) that Mr. Morris offered to
> put up 20 grand against Mark's 20.  First, we should note that Mark
> wasn't the alleged heckler, it was I who was the alleged heckler. 
> Next, it wasn't the "heckler" who was made this generous offer, it was
> Mark, who wasn't a heckler.  Finally, again, this ridiculous bet
> (shucks, if I wanted to risk 20, 10, or even 5 grand, I'd go to Vegas
> and play blackjack before I'd bet with these sidewinders) was offered
> in front of the elevators, far and away from Mr. Newman's con game. 
> Consider the absurdity of this offer --  Mark and I where there
> specifically to "test of the technology," and these wily sons of guns
> wouldn't even let Mark peek under the lid.  Essentially, Mark
> indicated that Mr. Morris was coming out of far left field.  Then Mr.
> Morris reduced it to 10 grand for Mark, he was still offering 20. 
> Finally, he offered to let Mark go for 5 grand.  Can't remember
> exactly --- you know, these Newman guys, getting really crazy and all?
> -- but I think Mark told him something like go fly a kite.
>
> The heckler refused to accept that
> challenge and continued to heckle Joseph Newman.  Finally, Joseph
> Newman
> physically picked up the heckler by his sweater and forcibly carried
> him out
> of the room.  The media filmed the incident.  We believe the heckler's
> goal
> was to intentionally attempt to disrupt the news conference.
>
> Now this is the epitome of the bullshit.  Again, there was NO
> heckling.  What these misrepresenters of reality are pretending was
> "heckling," was actually my statement,  "One of your biggest fans,
> David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a physicist and
> David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to examine your
> machine."
>
> Notice, the deceivers specifically mention that "The media filmed the
> incident."  Ask for a copy.  Bet they won't give it to you, because
> it'll prove they're lying.
>
> Oh, as a footnote, the lunatic "christian" did not forcibly carry me
> out of the room.  He just looked stupid, shook his fist in my face,
> and went back to his podium.  Then, after I'd stopped laughing, I
> invited him to meet me in the alley.  Gee, ya know, you try real hard
> to be a pacifist, but, it seems, you just can't help running into
> jerks that are just begging to have their necks broken.  God help me,
> what can I say?  Oh yeah, so after I invited the alterative energy
> avatar to the alley, Mark and I left the room, went to the elevator,
> where Mr. Morris offered his aforementioned absurd bet.
>
> In light of the foregoing, David, I hate to call these guys a bunch of
> unscrupulous, lying assholes, but what else can I honestly say:?
>
> Don't take my word for it.  Ask 'em for a copy of their faux news
> conference video with the part where the Savior allegedly put me out
> of the room.
>
> You know, David, that I like you, but when you get involved with
> characters like this it really hurts your credibility, because they
> have no integrity to speak of.
> ___________________________
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> A postscript:
>
> Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his STREET
> (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will file a lawsuit
> against him for libel.

> =========end fwd

> From: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
> To: Thomas <prop1@prop1.org>;
>  Evan Soule' - Joseph Newman Power Co <josephnewman@earthlink.net>
> Cc: Dr. Robert Park - American Physical Society - UMD College Park
>  Physics Department); Mark Avrum Gubrud; Dr. Jack Sarfatti PhD -
> - Stardrive.org - Internet Science Education Project; Eric Krieg
> Subject: Newman v Thomas libel lawsuit re Mar.28 DC Newman press
>  conference - Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas and
> he will file a lawsuit against him for libel
> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:20 PM

> "Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
> STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will
> file a lawsuit against him for libel."  --  Evan Soule, Mar 29, 2005
> 4:05 PM

> This would be a geat media attraction and would bring the truth of the
> matter into jurisdiction of public courts and all attendant news media
> attention - Hollywood style - line up your celebrities on both sides
> of the
> isle and "gentlemen, start your engines".  I will cheer this court case
> on, knowing Thomas will never give up and is qualified pro per legal
> beagle having fought his way pro per through the court systems to
> stay vigiling 24yrs across the street from the White House in Lafayette
> Park (White House Peace Park), and his court cases won and lost
> have precipitated changes in law as a result, eg, park service rules
> etc.
> Thomas has been roughed up by the best of them.  Will he pick up this
> gauntlet as the peoples champion to find the truth of the matter in
> court?
> http://www.prop1.org

> Joseph Newman would never back down from such a court challenge
> to have his name vindicated as a truthful and honest man, and his
> Massergy Theory and Energy Machine seem the disputed issue to
> be adjudged by the courts as "true" or "fake/false," so he has now
> welcomed this as an opportunity to bring the truth into brighter light.
> http://www.josephnewman.com

> Sounds like a real "Big Prize Fight" to me.  Let's get good tv
> coverage of this case in court, the sooner the better, asap.

> Newman v Thomas, Round One, ding!

> David Crockett Williams, Mar 29, 2005 5:12 PMpst
> gear2000@lightspeed.net
> Bachelor of Science, Chemistry, CSUN 1967
> Chartered Life Underwriter, American College 1971
> Author, Tetron Natural Unified Field Theory, 1974-77
> http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000/tetron2.html

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2005, 11:40:28 PM »
Moral of he story:
Don?t provokate Newman, he was a boxer in his early life ! ;D
Otherwise you could get a fist into your face...! :o

Anyway, the new motor is not more different than all his other motors
and performs great ! So no problem with it and it is really no scam !

It is just the RF bursts from the sparking, that drive the bulbs and the recharging of the batteries.
Has all been tested already, no mystery anymore.

So I believe, Newman has a great technolgy.

P.S: At:
www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm
there are many lies about Newman, so you should better
checkout my technology pages about it,
which concentrate onto the technologies and not on
bad politics:

http://www.harti.com/newman

http://www.harti.com/newman2


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Newman press conference
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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2005, 12:06:52 AM »
The following is some more discussion from another list on the Newman demo.  I would like to hear from even more former Newman investors at erickrieg at verizon.net  People can get the pro-Newman position from josephnewman.com.

The following offers both points of view:
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Newman v Thomas - one minute warning bell
From:    "David Crockett Williams" <gear2000@ >
Date:    Tue, March 29, 2005 8:44 pm

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


      From: Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will
      file a lawsuit against him for libel.


      "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>


      Subject:    Re: Mar.28 DC Newman press conference - "Otherwise"
sounds like it went great  Date:    Mar 29, 2005 4:05 PM

      At 6:37 PM -0800 3/29/05, Thomas wrote:
        At 07:45 PM 3/28/2005, David Crockett Williams wrote:

          Thanks for this report Evan.  I will look for news coverage and
their evaluations of the presentation.


        Uh, excuse me, David, Evan's representations, are -- like as are
apparently the claims of the would be Jesus freak Newman -- a soup
of snake oil

          Unfortunately perhaps (Mark Gubrud) did not have enough
background on the Newman machine or theory to know the past
history, so this update fixes a framework of comparison to past
larger models and the refinements you describe below.


        Nonsense, David.  I sat around for half hour, maybe 45 minutes,
listening to theories (referencing Faraday's laws, and such),
which kinda might seem sort of impressive (know what I mean?
Michael Faraday, physics?  Wow, I'm impressed.  Well, not really.
After all, I've listened to a lot of snake oil salesmen), quite
frankly, I wasn't favorably impressed, because there was nothing
solid in the presentations ... just theory and some favorable
press coverage. NOTHING of any substance.  Nonetheless, being the
open minded son-of-a-bitch that I am, I figured I'd give this
Newman fellow the benefit of the doubt.

        At some point after I got to this road show, I happened to notice
that Mark showed up.  He was standing in the back of the room.

        Then here comes Mr. Newman, he was late too, with this oversized
hatbox devise which he hooked up to a box of batteries, and it
turned this little wheel with a couple of lights on it.  Jeeze,
what do I know, maybe this was some kind of profound illustration
of physical truth, shucks I couldn't see it, but at this point, I
kept my mouth shut.

        In the meantime Mark came from the back of the room and took a
seat in the first row (I was behind him in the second row.  By the
way,contrary to the optimistic picture Evan painted, it didn't
seem that Mr. Newmans Press Club charade was any kind of success,
there were a whole lot of empty seats at this ground-breaking
event, and. it seemed to me, that almost the entire audience were
Newman groupies.

        Then, David wrote:

          In any case, my skeptical friend Thomas apparently is the
referenced "heckler" - although from their phone conversation
apparently it was Mark who asked the question when picked to do
so, "how does your motor differ from other kinds of motors"
(didn't do his homework, but still a reasonable question for
some occasion) and they said that is what set Mr. Newman off on
Mark, and that Thomas just rose to defend the apparent
legitimacy of the question whereupon he was grabbed by the
collar and physically harassed.


        Not quite.  This is REALLY the way it went down.  After Mark moved
into the first row, and was looking at this Newman hatbox thing,
Mark raised his hand and got called on (by the esteemed Mr. Newman
himself).  First Mark asked whether he could look under the lid of
Mr. Newman's hatbox thing.  At this point the great humanitarian,
christian, saviour of the SUV class, explained that Mark couldn't
look under the lid, because the hatbox thing-a-ma-jig wasn't
properly patented (Peek under the lid -- potential threat to the
savior's pocketbook.  Oh yeah, we'd just heard the genius go on at
some length about how the Navy had already ripped off his amazing
hatbox.) Then Mark asked the question about how this hatbox
differed from other kinds of motors.  Then the Newman character
asks Mark what he's doing there (Get it?  What's Mark doing at the
Press Club for this public scam that Newman set up, publicized,
and invited the public to attend.  Like, is this guy playing with
a full deck, or what?)

        This is where the Heckler comes in.  When the Maestro asked Mark
what he was doing at his public event, and who invited him, being
the consummate P in the A, at that I am, I said, "One of your
biggest fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a
physicist and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to
examine your machine.

        It was at this point that the maniac flew off the handle, leapt
off his podium, grabbed me by my sweater, and slung me against the
wall.  Problem was, while this idiot is physically assaulting me,
I was laughing so hard that, fortunately, I was unable to respond
to his uncivilized behavior.  Perhaps my laughter disarmed the
madman, whatever, at that point he seemed to lose his steam, and
let go of my sweater.

          I do not think they had the intent to disrupt the news
conference because I asked both of them to go and report on what
they saw and invited Mark into a serious level scientific
discussion about this machine due his sincere offer of his time
to test it and support it to the scientific community if it
passes his testing.


        You're right, David,we had absolutely no intention of disrupting
his faux news conference. My point.is that this marvelous avatar
of the alternative energy movement seems to be far more interested
in selling books and making money than he is with illustrating the
viability of his humorous hatbox.

          My apologies to Mr. Newman for this disturbance which was not my
intent in asking Thomas and Mark to attend today.


        Whadda you apologizing to this wingnut for???  He should be
apologizing to Mark and I.

          My apologies to Thomas and Mark for anything on my part that is
behind this misunderstanding.


        Whadda apologizing to us for?  After all this Newman jerk invited
the public to look at his scam.  If he can't deal with the heat he
oughta get out of the kitchen.

          One view is that "well if Newman had something real, he would
answer the questions satisfactorily".


        Sounds reasonable.  So we're left wondering:  Why is Newman so
adverse to satisfactorily answering questions?

          But Joseph Newman has been through all this over and over and
knows from people's tone of voices etc when he feels his
truthfulness is being challenged blindly or due prejudice
against this whole genre of "new energy techs".


        Poor guy, he's been through all this over and over.  Shit!  He
deserves it.

        Look at it!  This nut case continuously talks in terms of his
"opponents."  Mark and I obviously fell into this "opponent"
category ... notwithstanding the fact that we weren't (at that
point, anyway) "opponents," but were merely inquiring minds.  So
what you got here, it seems to me, is a paranoid, schizophrenic,
physically abusive, nut job named Joe.  Poooor guy.  People
challenging his truthfulness,  oh my!  David, give me a break,
anybody who doesn't question this guy's claims has got to be some
kind of a sycophant, or just plain gullible.

          Personality problems has now today jumped to the top of my list
of reasons why these new energy technologies are "not already
out there".


        I humbly disagree.  I don't think it's so much personality
problems as it is capitalistic, money grubbing, "Who invited
you?", "opponent," lying, paranoia.

        Then the Just Normally ParanoidCo. wrote"

          From: "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>
          To: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
          Subject:    News conference update
          Date:    Mar 28, 2005 4:39 PM

          David --


          At the news conference the table-top-sized energy machine
performed beautifully --  the latest innovation of the EM
technology proved two things:


        Yeah, right, seemed like it, kind of, but you can't look under the
lid.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Just note
that the little wheel, with the two cool little lights, that's
hooked up to a box of batteries, is spinning around, and be
unquestioningly impressed.

          1. Opponents of Joseph Newman do not deny that the technology
produces significant torque,


        Here we have it:  "Opponents of Joseph Newman."  Except, how the
heck can one affirm or deny whether this hatbox is doing anything
other than spinning a little wheel with a couple of lights on it,
if one can't look under the lid, because the Saviour wants to
insure that his financial interests aren't threatened?

        Oh yeah, lest we forget, buy his book.

          2. Opponents of Joseph Newman claim that the back-emf sparking
produced by the energy machine is unmanageable and can never be
controlled.  On Monday, March 28, 2005, Joseph Newman
demonstrated complete control of that sparking effect.


        Here we have that same old paranoid rap again:  "Opponents of
Joseph Newman."  The guy isn't even a worthy opponent.  Who' in
their right would even want to waste time crossing mental swords
with this imbecile?

          At one point during the presentation, one individual attempted
to heckle Joseph Newman and challenge his integrity.  The
heckler was then offered the following challenge by a news
conference attendee from Michigan:  That Michigan attendee would
put up $20,000 if the heckler would put up $5,000 for a test of
the technology.  If the machine was not found to operate as
stated, then the heckler would be paid $20,000.  However, if the
test confirmed the operation of the machine as stated, then the
heckler would donate that $5,000 to a charity.


        "Integrity"?????  Gimme a break.  Further on this paragraph is
total bullshit.  But, nonetheless, instructive to some degree.
Instructive to the degree that these con artists are money
oriented (20 grand).  But where the major bullshit comes in is
that this fictional exchange with the "heckler" never occurred
... at least no where near where, or under the circumstances
claimed.  This Newman character, or some of his facilitators, had
arranged for several video cameras to record his historical faux
news conference.  So you needn't take my word on this particular
issue, assuming these hucksters will release the videos (which
they probably won't, because that would conclusively illustrate
that they are bald faced liars), the videos will absolutely prove
that this multi-thousand challenge did not occur at the "news"
conference.

        Prove me wrong (please).  I was the alleged "heckler."  Mark
Gubrud showed up for this alleged "news conference" at the request
of myself , and/or the most dedicated fan of Swami Newman, David
Crockett Williams.  As a physicist, Mark thought he was going to
get a chance to peek under the lid of this amazing hatbox.  Well,
the Swami nixed that.

        Anyway, what actually happened with respect to this big bucks deal
was that AFTER we left the alleged news conference Thomas (that's
me, the alleged heckler), and Mark were waiting for the elevator,
far away from the alleged news conference.  At that time we were
approached by Arthur W. Morris, a "certified microscopist," from
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan (utillc@comcast.net).  It was then and
there, at the elevator, far from Mr. Newman's snake oil show, and
away from the video cameras (which is why these weasels won't
document their flat out lies by providing a copy of that tape)
that Mr. Morris offered to put up 20 grand against Mark's 20.
First, we should note that Mark wasn't the alleged heckler, it was
I who was the alleged heckler.  Next, it wasn't the "heckler" who
was made this generous offer, it was Mark, who wasn't a heckler.
Finally, again, this ridiculous bet (shucks, if I wanted to risk
20, 10, or even 5 grand, I'd go to Vegas and play blackjack before
I'd bet with these sidewinders) was offered in front of the
elevators, far and away from Mr. Newman's con game.  Consider the
absurdity of this offer --  Mark and I where there specifically to
"test of the technology," and these wily sons of guns wouldn't
even let Mark peek under the lid.  Essentially, Mark indicated
that Mr. Morris was coming out of far left field.  Then Mr. Morris
reduced it to 10 grand for Mark, he was still offering 20.
Finally, he offered to let Mark go for 5 grand.  Can't remember
exactly --- you know, these Newman guys, getting really crazy and
all? -- but I think Mark told him something like go fly a kite.

          The heckler refused to accept that
          challenge and continued to heckle Joseph Newman.  Finally,
Joseph Newman physically picked up the heckler by his sweater
and forcibly carried him out of the room.  The media filmed the
incident.  We believe the heckler's goal was to intentionally
attempt to disrupt the news conference.


        Now this is the epitome of the bullshit.  Again, there was NO
heckling.  What these misrepresenters of reality are pretending
was "heckling," was actually my statement,  "One of your biggest
fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a
physicist and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to
examine your machine."

        Notice, the deceivers specifically mention that "The media filmed
the incident."  Ask for a copy.  Bet they won't give it to you,
because it'll prove they're lying.

        Oh, as a footnote, the lunatic "christian" did not forcibly carry
me out of the room.  He just looked stupid, shook his fist in my
face, and went back to his podium.  Then, after I'd stopped
laughing, I invited him to meet me in the alley.  Gee, ya know,
you try real hard to be a pacifist, but, it seems, you just can't
help running into jerks that are just begging to have their necks
broken.  God help me, what can I say?  Oh yeah, so after I invited
the alterative energy avatar to the alley, Mark and I left the
room, went to the elevator, where Mr. Morris offered his
aforementioned absurd bet.

        In light of the foregoing, David, I hate to call these guys a
bunch of unscrupulous, lying assholes, but what else can I
honestly say:?

        Don't take my word for it.  Ask 'em for a copy of their faux news
conference video with the part where the Savior allegedly put me
out of the room.

        You know, David, that I like you, but when you get involved with
characters like this it really hurts your credibility, because
they have no integrity to speak of.

        ___________________________

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        202-682-4282 phone and fax (call first)
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      A postscript:


      Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will file a
lawsuit against him for libel.

 

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2005, 02:15:56 AM »
Eric, there is no mysteries anymore with the Newman motors.
I have studied them for over 20 years now.
They just work and produce a lot of RF bursts, that recharge the batteries
and keep the incand. bulbs lighting ( which the normal DC input current couldnot do)
and the technology just works.
The only problem is, that the commutator must be a mechanical type and have the
right materials, so the sparking is occuring , which will produce these big RF bursts !

If the mechanical output is really bigger than the electrical input  still must
be measured right and also depends on the commutator setup and the airgaps,
but the electrical output via the RF bursts is definately bigger than the electrical
input.
The problem is, it only works with quite a big coil and the RF bursts also
put out a lot of RF noise into the surroundings, so it needs to be shielded
very well, before these devices can be sold !

That Newman is a "complicated" character and seems to behave sometimes
"strange" is a different story, but easily to understand with the things
he had to go through to get a patent....


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2005, 04:22:35 AM »
Stefan,

All devices are based on applying the beneficial benefits of one or more enabling effects. Thomas Davenport, the blacksmith inventor of the first electric motor, applied three simple but easy to prove effects to make his first motor:

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/july99/features/blacksmith/blacksmith.html

1) Like magnetic fields repel & unlike magnetic fields attract.
2) Flowing electric current creates a magnetic field.
3) Reversing the direction of the electric current flow will reverse the polarity of the created magnetic field.

He applied these basic effects, added a commutator to reverse the rotor field polarity at the right time and the world's first electric motor was born. Not to forget the very important contribution that his wife's silk wedding dress made!

So just ask Joe to break down how his motor works into the individual isolated OU and non OU effects. Verify they have the effects he claims they do. Then understanding how the entire device works become clear and the world will benefit.

From your many years of working with and building many Newman motors, do you believe the Newman motor is OU? If so which step in your above description is the OU effect?

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Re: Newman press conference
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2005, 05:06:49 AM »
Yes, I think it is overunity.
It is the effect of the sparking commutator with the huge coil.
The RF bursts there produce the overunity RF current which is superimposed
onto the chopped DC current, which is going into the machine.
The RF current comes out of the machine and powers his bulbs and recharges
his batteries.
The right materials at the commutator must be used to get the right
sparks to get it Overuniy.
The combination of copper-carbon is one valid combination,
magnesium-carbon would be even better.
Regards, Stefan.

 

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