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Title: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 15, 2005, 02:05:23 AM
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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: FreeEnergy on November 15, 2005, 11:39:16 AM
very nice...
so the springs actually locks/unlocks because of its rotating momentum from gravity and is what gives that extra kick to keep on turning?
im guessing...
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: hartiberlin on November 15, 2005, 06:41:21 PM
Is it permanent magnet based ?
Do you try to rectify the cogging of magnets somehow ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 15, 2005, 07:39:47 PM
Dear FreeEnergy,
We advise you to observe following interactive demonstrations at:

http://www.planetenergy.com/mech15.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/mech15.htm)

http://www.planetenergy.com/mech11.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/mech11.htm)


and
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech5.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/mech5.htm)


It shows,

An arrangement of disks:

Interlinked with springs
The disks can only rotate in one direction (applied backstopping clutches). http://www.planetenergy.com/in2.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/in2.htm)
The rest tension (extended balanced condition) of each spring is higher than the friction in the arrangement (included tightening torque from generator on collector axis).

Therefore:

The disks in the stack are positioned at rest symmetrically to each other.
Once disturbed (by bursting impulse on 1. element after IPS Loader) the elements (disks) constrain themselve forward until prior symmetric position is again reestablished.
As the rest tension of each spring is calculated to be higher than the total friction, friction will only slow down the entire impulse but will not prevent that each spring will reestablish its extended prior state again and again after each initiated impulse.
General rule: the rest tension in between two interlinked elements should be 60% higher than
the total torque in and on the system (friction on backstopping clutches, friction on overrunning clutches, tightening torque on generator...).

Result after each impulse:

The position of each disk to each other is exactly equal to its starting position.
Each disk has been rotated one after the other (caused by its specific mass moment of inertia) in the new position predetermined by the first element burst.

Target of our first prototype is to establish:

The right amout of disks
The right weight of each disk (a perfect mass moment of inertia in accordance with the tension of springs results in a high defined impulse)
The right rest tension of applied springs (in accordance with the friction in the arrangement and tightening torque of generator)
And the right ammount of degrees and speed of the repeated burst initiated by the Impulse Loader
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech7.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/mech7.htm)

We established several basic tests in real world.
We entered these results into numeric simulations.

The outcome leads us to realize a prototype and overcome Old Believes.

Today we are in process of developing a 30 kW demonstration Unit.
Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on November 15, 2005, 07:47:51 PM
Now this is a Machine that will , you know ;-).
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 15, 2005, 09:21:31 PM
Dear Stefan,

Thank you for your interest.

Our first concept model was in fact based on magnets.
This was IPS MA M1

http://www.planetenergy.com/model1a.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model1a.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1b.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model1b.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1c.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model1c.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1d.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model1d.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1e.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model1e.htm)

Then we designed bigger elements

IPS MA M2
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2a.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model2a.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2b.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model2b.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2c.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model2c.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2d.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model2d.htm)
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2f.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/model2f.htm)

In the mean time we developed a parrallel study using springs instead of magnets
and decided to persue our next prototyping stage using springs,
as they are more efficient, easier to handle and very accessible.
Today we are in process of developing a 30 kW demonstration Unit.

Please let us know if you have additional questions.

Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on November 17, 2005, 05:29:59 PM
The Nwo will do anything to stop free-energy other wise,whats the point in Oil and Shops?

and Tax?

It will basicly Crash like dominos would it?
;-).
same with man-made legislation that doesnt work?
Title: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 17, 2005, 10:36:54 PM
Dear Daniel,

You are right if we would live in a world with unending fossil fuel supply.

I advise you to read The Hydrogen Economy from Jeremy Rifkin

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-04.htm
http://www.foet.org/JeremyRifkin.htm
http://www.foet.org/hydrogeneconomy.htm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585421936/102-5254561-7994528?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?171

It is a very interesting book about a New Clean Alternative Energy Era.


Jeremy Rifkin, president of the Foundation on Economic Trends, is the author of seventeen books on the impact of scientific and technological changes on the economy, the workforce, society, and the environment.  His books have been translated into more than twenty languages and are used in hundreds of universities around the world.  His 1995 book, The End of Work, is an international bestseller that is widely credited with helping shape the current global debate on technology displacement, corporate downsizing and the future of jobs.  His 1998 bestseller, The Biotech Century, addresses the many critical issues accompanying the new era of genetic commerce and is the most widely read book in the world on the biotech revolution.  Mr. Rifkin?s 2000 bestseller, The Age of Access, explores the vast changes occurring in the capitalist system as it makes the transition from geographic markets to e-commerce networks and from industrial to cultural production.  In his 2002 bestseller, The Hydrogen Economy, Rifkin takes us on an eye-opening journey into the next great commercial era in history.  He envisions the dawn of a new economy powered by hydrogen that will fundamentally change the nature of our market, political and social institutions, just as coal and steam power did at the beginning of the industrial age.

 

In his newest book, The European Dream: How Europe?s Vision of the Future is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, Mr. Rifkin argues that while the great American Dream is fading, a powerful new European Dream is beginning to capture the attention and imagination of the world.  The nascent European Dream, says Rifkin, is, in many respects, the mirror opposite of the American Dream, but far better suited to meet the challenges of a globalizing society in the 21st century.  Rifkin draws on more than twenty years of personal experience working in Europe, where he has advised heads of state and political parties, consulted with Europe?s leading companies, and helped spur grass-roots, environmental, and social justice campaigns.

 

Mr. Rifkin holds a degree in economics from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and a degree in international affairs from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.  Rifkin speaks frequently before government, business, labor and civic forums. He has lectured at more than 500 universities in some 20 countries in the past 30 years.  Since 1994, Mr. Rifkin has been a fellow at the Wharton School?s Executive Education Program, where he lectures to CEOs and senior corporate management from around the world on new trends in science and technology and their impacts on the global economy, society and the environment.  Mr. Rifkin?s monthly column on global issues appears in many of the world?s leading newspapers and magazines, including The Guardian in the U.K., Die Suddeutsche Zeitung in Germany, L?Espresso in Italy, El Pais in Spain, Information in Denmark, Knack in Belgium, Clarin in Argentina, and Al-Ittihad in the U.A.E.

 

Rifkin has been influential in shaping public policy in the United States and around the world.  He has testified before numerous congressional committees and has had consistent success in litigation to ensure responsible government policies on a variety of environmental, scientific and technology related issues.  He has been a frequent guest on numerous television programs, including CNN?s Crossfire, Face the Nation, The Lehrer News Hour, 20/20, Larry King Live, Today, and Good Morning America.  The National Journal named Rifkin as one of 150 people in the U.S. that have the most influence in shaping federal government policy.

 

Mr. Rifkin is the founder and president of The Foundation on Economic Trends (www.foet.org) in Washington, DC.  The foundation examines the economic, environmental, social and cultural impacts of new technologies introduced into the global economy.


You will become aware of the challenges mankind has in the next 10 years and beyond.

Thank you for your reply
Johannes Schroetter

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: hartiberlin on November 19, 2005, 07:06:07 PM
Hi Johannes,
many thanks for all the interesting infos.

But why can you use springs alone ?

Where does then the energy input come from ?

P.S: What happens at the end of the row.how is the impulse
again fed back to the first stage ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: hartiberlin on November 20, 2005, 05:06:19 AM
Hi Johannes,
I had another look at it.

Why do you think, that in:
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm)
with the 5 loading springs and 15 additional elements
you will gain energy ?

Can you please explain it in detail ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: If that really works this way, then it would be possible
to also build it in an electronic version only, just using LC tank
circuits
and diodes for the swithing or MOSFETS to switch
the LC tanks circuits in the right moment.

Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 20, 2005, 05:33:43 AM
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Hey Stefan,

to answer your questions

The link http://www.planetenergy.com/model2f.htm (7.8 MB) shows you the dynamic behaviour of two interacting elements equipped with magnets.
The link http://www.planetenergy.com/mech15.htm presents a very similar dynamic behaviour of two interacting elements equipped with springs.

In simple terms:
A repulsive arrangement of magnets in between two interacting elements causes self-compensation among each other.

and
a pre-compressed arrangement of springs in between two interacting elements causes self-compensation among each other.

Advantage of springs:

They are cheaper
much easier to handle
and enable big applications

The links
http://planetenergy.com/mech7.htm
http://planetenergy.com/mech12.htm
are demonstrating the the energy input (IPS Loader).

This "Loader" (5 interacting elements, first element turnes linear with an electric motor, last element is switched free in intervals by a brake) simply replaces a step motor.

Advantage compared to a step motor:

Much less energy consumption.

Result:
Timed impulse is repeated released (with hydraulic brake) into an arrangement of interacting elements (IPS SYSTEM installed and interlinked after 5th element).
As each burst ( ex:180 degree) is causing all following elements to turn one by one forward (caused through mass moment of inertia) until all elements are in the new position predetermined by the first element burst.

As self-compensation, even by an applied generator, is guaranteed through the specific amount of pre-compression of the springs, work is being transferred and created by the IPS System during each equalizing process.

Each burst (ex:180 degree impulse) needs energy, but the right amount of subsequent interlinked elements causes the dynamic rotation of each weight of these disks.

As mass in motion represents energy and as the emerging torque is transfered onto a collector axis, we can overcome the initiated amount of energy if the amount of extracted torque is handled carfully.
in principle: http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm

to your last two questions you can study the energy flow at:
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech12.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech5.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech3.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/flow1.htm

to your question Posted on: Today at 04:06:19 AM a detailed explanation will follow.

The right combination is a delicate but possible task.

Please let me know if you obtained a better understanding and do not hesitate to ask us additional questions.

Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: hartiberlin on November 20, 2005, 07:40:54 PM
Hi Johannes,
the main questions still remains.

In:

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm (http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm)

does it really produce 1500 Joule from 1000 Joule input
or are you just using the precompressed springs to deliver the
500 extra Joules ?
As you had to precompress the springs earlier maybe you get only
now back, what you put in before ?

How can you be sure, that the springs are then again after the cycle
in the precompressed status and the cycle can repeat again with additional
500 Joules output ?

If I can understand this concept, I can try to make an equivalent electronic circuit
which would behave the same way and so it would bemuch easier to do, than
to make a mechanical device.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: With what software package  did you do the great 3D animations
and conversion to Flash ? Thanks.
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: FreeEnergy on November 21, 2005, 12:17:51 AM
hehehehehe  ;D
yes it can be simplified into that Stefan!
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 22, 2005, 09:01:53 AM
http://www.planetenergy.com

Dear Stefan,

We have recently updated our website. You should go on:

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri12.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri11.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri10.htm

This will help you to get a better general understanding.

In "early experiments" on the sitemap (http://www.planetenergy.com/map1.htm)
you will find prior studies based on magnets. I also placed the links on the bottom of that page.
To your question:
As you had to precompress the springs earlier maybe you get only
now back, what you put in before ?

Answer:
Lets take as an example were two elements are the "Loader" and

10 elements (with backstopping clutches) are additionaly connected like in

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri10.htm

Specifications:

Rotational discharge is 45 degrees
(45 degrees for an easier understanding, 180 degrees is a more effective but far more complicated to explain in its dynamic behaviour)

On the first element where the level is fixed, we apply an overrunning clutch, so we can push the handle up and down, creating bursts.

The burst frequency of the level is 30 times 45 degrees per minute.

Therfore:

We have to compress 30 times per minute the two first interlinked elements quick enough to initiate an impulse and achieve subsequently compensation  in the
following 10 elements.

To obtain 30 times 45 degrees = 1350 degrees, we need

30 x 300W for 0.2 sec = 6 sec 300 W per minute.

This represents 0.030 kWh input.

The compensating 10 elements have turned after 1 minute

30 times 10 elements x 45 degrees= 13 500 degrees.

300 times the 10 elements have turned their inner compression into motion (energy), what we achieved by "surprising them", physically speaking through their
mass moment of inertia. As higher the mass of the disks as higher we can set the compression of the springs.

We can also increase the dynamic weight of the disks by applying the right ratio between inner element and outer collector axis (equipped with overruning clutches)
plus applied flywheel as demonstated in

http://www.planetenergy.com/mech17.htm



The applied generator (with 50W consumtion) has produced after 1 minute respectively

0.050 kWh.

To your question:
How can you be sure, that the springs are then again after the cycle
in the precompressed status and the cycle can repeat again with additional
500 Joules output ?


Answer:

Lets say the precompression of each spring is 500 N
The maximum compression 1000 N.

If the total torque (friction plus generator) on the system is less than 500 N
(preverred 50% or less than the equalized force in between each interacting element)
each element must turn into the precompressed status.

Through its inner force, th spring naturally comments to come back to its extended position,
knowing that any present force or friction on the system remains lower than the compression of the spring.


The specific layout of all interacting elements will allow that 
any applied constant torque on the yellow collector axis under 840.33 in-lb will
not stop the 10 elements to achieve their symmetrical  balance.
The symmetry is disturbed, compensated, disturbed and compensated again and again.

As in our example the permanent torque in the system (friction) plus the torque on the generator
is far below the "critical torque" of 840.33 in-lb,
therefore the compensation of elements will constantly and fluently be achieved.
In short terms:

If you  kick the first element of an IPS Unit 1800 times an hour.

The IPS kicks 18 000 times an element for you.

By collecting the right amount of energy, the operating speed of the impulse will be constant.
As more torque is applied on the collector axis, less speed is appearing during the compensation of elements.
A wise ballance of all terms and conditions allows operational function and the highest performance
of the system.

As of today we are in progress of building several diffferent devices. We use for example cryogenic treated
springs, what will allow us constant and equal long term analysis.

Based on that results and after several design revisions we will build a self-sustainable unit.


I hope that I have answered your request to your satisfaction.

Johannes Schroetter

Planetenergy Ltd.


Links to prior studies based on magnets:

http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history1.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history2.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history3.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history4.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history5.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history6.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history7.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history8.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history9.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history11.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history12.htm

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: hartiberlin on November 22, 2005, 08:43:20 PM
Ich galube , vielleicht liegt der Fehler irgendwie darin, dass Ihr denkt,
dass die Welle, die den Generator dreht das System nicht abschw?cht.

Richtig m?sste aber sein, dass durch die Stromentnahme am Generator
die Welle ja belastet wird und sich deshalb wahrscheinlich der Impuls gar nicht
bis zum Ende der Kette weiter forplanzt, oder ?
Das Drehen der Welle erfordert schon soviel Energie, dass der Impuls nach 1 bis 2 Gliedern
versackt und zum Erliegen kommt, w?rde ich sagen....

Wo soll sonst die ganze Energie denn herkommen ?
Es ist doch ein rein mechanisches geschlosenes System und von aussen kann
ja keine Energie hineinfliessen...

Also woher w?rde Eurer Meinung nach die ?berschuss-Energie herkommen ?
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: hartiberlin on November 22, 2005, 08:54:08 PM
Ups Sorry, must write this in English:
I think a possible error in your thinking might be, that you
think the generator axis will not brake the rotation of the units.
Indeed, if you draw electrical power from the generator the axis
will get a dragback effect and will be slowed down and thus the
impulse will also just slow down after a few units, so it will never reach the
end of the chain.

Where do you think otherwise the energy will be come from ?
As it is a pure closed mechanical system, there is energy inflow from the outside.
Or am I wrong ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 23, 2005, 04:30:43 AM
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Dear Stefan,

Bei einem Impuls wird das innere symmetrische Gleichgewicht in einer Anordnung von Elementen kurzzeitig verletzt.
Da die im Gleichgewicht vorhandene Restspannung der einzelnen Elemente zueinander hoeher konzipiert
ist als die Gesamtlast im System (Reibung plus abgenommener Drehmoment am Generator),
verhalten sich die Federn dahingegend, dass sie unwillkuerlich ihre "Leerlauf-Spannung" oder "Rest-Spannung" wieder einnehmen, solange diese und jene Rest-Spannung hoeher ist als die Reibung im System.
Frage:

Das Drehen der Welle erfordert schon soviel Energie, dass der Impuls nach 1 bis 2 Gliedern
versackt und zum Erliegen kommt, w?rde ich sagen....

Antwort:

Dieses Erscheinungsbild wuerde zutreffen, wenn Du Federn mit zu geringer Spannung benutzt.
Ist die Leistungsfaehigkeit der Federn hoeher als die Reibung, ist zu beruecksichtigen dass das Gewicht der einzelenen Scheiben
proportional zu der Federkraft zu erhoehen ist um einen Impuls, der ausschliesslich durch Massentraegheit entstehen kann, zu gewahrleisten.

Frage:

Wo soll sonst die ganze Energie denn herkommen ?
Es ist doch ein rein mechanisches geschlossenes System und von aussen kann
ja keine Energie hineinfliessen...

Antwort:

Ein Beweis, dass bei einer derartigen Anordnung durch Massentraegheit und innerer natuerlicher Kraft von Federn
Energie gewonnen werden kann, laesst sich principiell fuehren, indem man mehrere Anordnungen gegenueberstellt.

Beispiel:

Eine Anordnung ist dahingegend konstruiert, dass sich die ineinandergreifenden Elemente (bestueckt mit Federn) in einer symmetrischen Rest-Spannung (RS)
befinden. RS sei 500N, und die Maximal-Spannung (MS) sei 1000N.

Zusaetzlich ist zu sagen, dass die Reibung in den Ruecklaufsperren (backstopping clutches) bei einer Anzahl von
100 Stueck 10% von RS ist.

Es werden nun verschiedene Anordnungen mit selber RS und MS in den jeweiligen Elementen gegenuebergestellt.

1. Anordnung : 2 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad)

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Ergebnis: Da die Reibung im System
(2 Kugellager, 1 Ruecklaufsperre/backstopping clutch), 2 Freilaufgetriebe/overrunning clutch)
geringer ist als RS (500N), ist gewaerleistet, dass sich das zweite in der Kette befindliche Element um
den selben Betrag (45 Grad) nach vorne bewegt als erstes Element.

Arbeit wird verrichtet indem die Federkraft der ineinandergreifenden Elemente kurzzeitig von 500N auf 1000N erhoeht wird.
Dies wird erreicht durch ein angemessenes Gewicht der einzelnen Scheiben (da Massentraegheit erwuenscht und notwedig ist um eine individuelle Bewegung, sprich Impulse, zu erreichen)
und eine angemessene Geschwindigkeit des ersten Elements, das mit hohem Schwung an zweites Element herangefuehrt wird.

Da der Ruecklauf verhindert ist (Ruecklaufsperre), wird das zweite Element, verzoegert durch den Massentraegheitsmoment, unwillkuerlich nach vorne gezwungen bis sich RS (500N) wieder einstellt.

Dieser Vorgang kann unendlich wiederholt werden (begrentzt durch die Tauglichkeit der Federn und Kupplungen)

2.Anordnung : 2 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad), plus 50W Stromabnahme am zweitem Element

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Leistungsabgabe: 0.4 sec 50 W

Da wir den Vorgang nach jedem vollstaendigem Ausgleich wiederholen ist die

Pulswiederholung am Eingang: 100 mal per Minute

Ergebnis: Da die Reibung im System
[2 Kugellager(B), 1 Ruecklaufsperre/backstopping clutch (BC),5, 2 Freilaufgetriebe/overrunning clutch (OC), 50W Generator]
geringer ist als RS (500N), ist gewaerleistet, dass sich das zweite in der Kette befindliche Element um
den selben Betrag (45 Grad) nach vorne bewegt als erstes Element.

Arbeit wird verrichtet indem die Federkraft der ineinandergreifenden Elemente kurzzeitig von 500N auf 1000N erhoeht wird.
Dies wird erreicht durch ein angemessenes Gewicht der einzelnen Scheiben (da Massentraegheit erwuenscht und notwedig ist um eine individuelle Bewegung, sprich Impulse, zu erreichen)
und eine angemessene Geschwindigkeit des ersten Elements, das mit hohem Schwung an zweites Element herangefuehrt wird.

Da der Ruecklauf verhindert ist  (Ruecklaufsperre), wird das zweite Element, verzoegert durch den Massentraegheitsmoment, unwillkuerlich nach vorne gezwungen bis sich RS (500N) wieder einstellt.

Der angelegte 50W Generator bremst den Ausgleichsprozess der Elemente prozential im Verhaeltnis von der Schwungkraft der aufgenommenen Energie und der jetzt etwas erhoehten vorhandenen Reibung, verhindert aber eine Wiederherstellung der Symmetrie nicht, da diese nur negative beeinflusst wuerde, wenn die
Gesamtreibung den kritischen Moment von 500N ueberschreiten wuerde.

Da wir uns aber mit 50W weit unter diesem Niveau befinden ist gewahrleistet, dass E1 rot = E2 rot ist.

Da die Federn zwischen dem ersten und zweiten Element ihre volle Spannung von 1000N bereits erreicht haben bevor sich das zweite Element in Bewegung setzt
(entsprechendes Gewicht der Scheiben bewirkt eine hohe Massentraegheit ), ist keine erhoehte Leistungsaufnahme (300W) notwendig, da die Spannungsaufnahme
in den Federn dieselbe ist wie in der 1. Anordnung.


Der innere Drehmoment des Generators hat den Zeitverlauf  des Ausgleichs der Federn verlaengert, aber nicht die Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element erhoeht.

Diesen Effekt machen wir uns zum Vorteil, indem wir weitere Elemente in Reihe schalten.

3.Anordnung : 5 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad), plus 50W Stromabnahme von 2.-5. Element

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Leistungsabgabe: 1 sec 50 W

Eine Anordnung von 5 Elementen fordert dieselbe Leistungsaufnahme wie in 1. und 2. Anordnung beschrieben, jedoch erhoeht sich der Zeitverlauf indem
im anliegendem Generator Elektrizitaet erzeugt wird.


Da wir den Vorgang nach jedem vollstaendigem Ausgleich wiederholen ist die

Pulswiederholung am Eingang: 50 mal per Minute

4.Anordnung : 30 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad), plus 50W Stromabnahme von 2.-5. Element

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Leistungsabgabe: 6 sec 50 W

Da wir den Vorgang nach jedem vollstaendigem Ausgleich wiederholen ist die

Pulswiederholung am Eingang: 9.6 mal per Minute


Eine Anordnung von 5 Elementen fordert dieselbe Leistungsaufnahme wie in 1. und 2. Anordnung beschrieben, jedoch erhoeht sich der Zeitverlauf indem
im anliegendem Generator Elektrizitaet erzeugt wird.


Bei einer Anzahl von 30 Elementen haben wir in unserem Beispiel (durch die hier begrenzte RS 500N) eine Konstellation erreicht,
in der ohne Gewichterhoehung der Scheiben und einer dazugehoerigen Ersetzung der Federn mit jeweiliger hoeherer Spannung
keine Erweiterung im System vorgenommen werden sollte.   

Zusammenfassung:

Je mehr Elemente sich in einer sich selbst ausgleichenden symmetrischen Anordnung befinden, je mehr an innerer ausgleichender
Energie kann bei der Zusammenwirkung von Massentraegheit und geladenem Impulse aus einem System entzogen werden.

Dabei ist die Anzahl der Elemente in Uebereinstimmung mit der vorhandenen Restspannung,
Massentraegheit der einzelnen Elemente und der angelegten Gesamtreibung zu beruecksichtigen.

Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 23, 2005, 05:38:24 AM
http://www.planetenergy.com


Dear Stefan,

You can study the patent in German language and review the drawings.

http://www.planetenergy.com/patap02_full.htm

Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: exnihiloest on November 23, 2005, 11:18:43 AM
From my understanding of the patent, I see a device that transmits a mechanical impulse from an element to the next one and so on, thus providing an impulse delay, with the possibility of looping the impulse of the last element back to the first one.
Nevertheless if there are losses in the process (and inevitably there are) or if we want to extract work from the motion of the elements, the impulse will weaken.
How could we expect for an energy gain? Where it comes from?

Thanks for further explanations.

Fran?ois
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 23, 2005, 11:37:28 AM
Thank you for your interest.

Please study our websites at:

http://www.planetenergy.com
http://www.terawatt.com

and then  the post on this topic 1,2,3.

The content of your questions should be different than below.

There is a lot of interactive content on our site

like http://www.planetenergy.com/mech11.htm
In general it is to say:

As more weight is brought in motion as more energy is present.

Our system allows the coupling of interacting elements.
Variable in design but generally with the possibility of adding additional elements to a certain limit
without the increase of its sustaining impulse.

As the energy required to run a system with 5 pulsed elements is equal
to a system than runs on 30 pulsed elements, certain results should be taken under consideration.

As more mass is turned through a longer period of time,
we have to admit that energy is hereby not only transferred.

As we conducted several tests by using dynamic simulations on http://www.mscsoftware.com/
our curiosity made us proceed further.
Several studies in real world have been conducted, and we should be able to present some functioning
models in the near future.

Our effort is to share our present accomplishment and we use the ability of interactive presentation through the internet.

To observe a dynamic behavior on a screen is certainly more difficult as we do it in our laboratories, but nevertheless
I hope to give as many people the enthusiasm to overcome old believes.

Impulse behaviors have complex  and  various manifestations.

We are very convinced in our studies and will keep you updated about our research.

We are thankful for any questions you might have as it helps us improve our content.

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Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: hartiberlin on November 23, 2005, 01:20:32 PM
Hi Johannes,
maybe you can render the animation in :
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm
again with slower speed and with showing all clutches and back-stoppers...

This way it might get more clear, how the springs move the masses.

Hmm, I really have a hard time to understand why after a few units the springs should
still be able to being compress it more than 500 Nm.

If the impulse will slow down due to friction and generator drag back, the springs could
not be compress anymore over 500 Nm and so the rest-tension will not be reached anymore...

Well, what did your first model with the magnets show ?
Did you actually build it or was it also a 3D simulation ?
Looked pretty real, so I guess you have built it ?

Well, if this really works in the mechanical world, it should
be easy to construct an electronic circuit which will behave simular
and then directly electrical energy could be extracted.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on November 23, 2005, 01:41:25 PM
Hey Stefan,

nice to hear from you.
I will reply to your questions very shortly.
My time is very limited.
As soon we have results, I will inform you.

Best regards
und
Gruesse nach Deutschland

Johannes
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: gyulasun on December 04, 2005, 08:17:04 PM
P=(Bv2Xq)/8XpiX981000)
Please,can anybody give answer ? about this" Formula" !

Ol? Lanca IV,

I think the Formula gives the attractive force of an electromagnet but it is used in old MKSA system and not in the SI system because the German inventor uses cm instead of meter or uses Gauss instead of Tesla units. So the 981000 in the Formula is a correction number for the MKSA system we usually do not use any more.

I happened to find the very same Formula on a Russian site dealing with electromagnets, see url at:

http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/007/118/118563.htm? and go down to Formula (7)? in the middle of the long htm page.

If you cannot understand any Russian, you can use an online language translator from Russian to English or German or Spanish or French at this site:? http://webtranslation.paralink.com/? and you have to copy and paste the above url into the small url window and choose language translation direction too. This is a machine translation of course!

Could you explain to me how? Wilhelm Klinsing's Electro-magnetic motor is supposed to operate?? How Lentz law is used to gain energy?

I understand that there are two coils (Wicklung 1 and 2) serving as (probably air cored soleonid) electromagnets fed by 6V/0.025A input and between these two coils a permanent magnet as a piston (marked as Wicklung 3) can go forward and backward and this movement is assisted by the mechanical parts Pleuelstange and Kurbelwelle so that the coils are also switched in turn by these back and forth movements to change current direction in them, hence to insure magnetic pole change as needed.? BUT how the two coils are connected I wonder, maybe in parallel with each other or they are independently switched / made to change poles?? Could you figure out an electrical circuit drawing ?

Regards

Gyula
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: gyulasun on December 13, 2005, 04:00:45 PM

But coming back to the Klinsing calculations:
I think that there is a second fault-he used for q in the P=Bv2/(8x3.14x981000) formula
78,5 (=F,area)? and not q= 0,078 !!!
The consequence is/would be that? the output is 1000X times less !
Do you agree?(Pardon,I did not translate the russian text)

But now to the formula itself:
Could it be that " P=Bv2xq/(8xpix981000)" represent the "THERMODYNAMIC" ANALOGON,
a formula that represent the "ELECTRODYNAMIC",
"Lorentz+Lenz+Biot-Savart-combination" or in other words
is this a formula that-OFFICIALLY/SCIENTIFICAL-claims an "OVERUNITY REAKTION" ?

Ol? Lanca IV,

Eu posso falar pouco Portoguese, trabalhava meio anno em Maputo em 1982... mas tentar escecer este lingua... disculpe me,  prefero usar Ingl?s, ok?

Ok, you also did your homework, but I think there is no second mistake in Formula numerical calculation: the area F (or surface) of the electromagnet coil is to be  considered which is 78.5cm^2  (square cm) so the force comes out as 659.45 kg, this seems ok. Now converting this old kilogram force to Newton force, it should be multiplied by 9.81, which gives 6469.2 N and to get this in horse power we have to divide it by 736, this comes out 8.789 HP as in the patent.  You mention q=0.078 which is the cross section area in mm^2 (square mm) of the 1105 meter long winding wire of the electromagnet coil. So the output is not 1000 times less because of this.  Agree?
So the formula P=Bv2xq/(8xpix981000) gives force in kg of an electromagnet which kg as a unit of force is not used nowadays. I made a mistake by naming the old system as MKSA but in fact it is called CGS system and this is also obsolote now. There is a good conversion possibility between CGS and present day SI system here: http://www.conversiontables.com and it comes out that originally the force comes out in dyne (in CGS) from the Formula but putting 981000 into its denumerator it converts to kg, which is more useful practically.

Now comes my dilemma: I still do not understand how and why Lenz law gives power amplification between the switched coils? Can you explain if you got it?

At? proxima

Gyula

PS  I agree with you in the first mistake you noticed is a calculation fault :4zylinderX3turningsX8,79PS=105,48PS and not 139,2 PS
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: gyulasun on December 15, 2005, 12:34:23 AM
Ola Gyula,
pardon but I have now an another "problem",
after the first M.A.S.E.R.-trial with input 25 Watt/output 150W-
actually (yesterday,12th /today,13th of Dec.) we(a triade of searchers) got with an ~20W(12V,1,6A) input/ 700W(70V,10A) output !!!
Very confuse-the first versus actual ?input-output? behaviour !
The output is not unexspected,the max. shall be 1100W.

1982,Maputo:Shall I do a political question(betr.Lourenco Marques,RENAMO,et cetera...) ?
Only a-black(african) humor- joke!!!

After the translation of the russian text? I understand? this formula ( the integration of the
Biot-Savart-v(-elocity)-Amplification law included) as Partikel/Mass-Accelerator-Fundamental/base !!!
About the effect of the Lenz-Law:the? Back-EMF will be neutralisized/transduced in kinetic force,
from linear to rotational-amplified- force !

Ol? Lanca IV,

Thanks and I am looking forward to your further test results.,  not to mention the details of your device...   ::)

Regarding the effect of the Lenz law, you still beat around the bush...  :-\  I would be more than happy to understand how the coils are connected in each working phase. Have you figured it out?

You mentioned McFarlandCook-Coil Improvement from 1873, I have read that patent too but also cannot get how it works  :'(  Harold Aspden has also an interesting patent maybe based on similar concept?

Ate proxima
Gyula
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: planetenergy on September 07, 2006, 08:39:08 PM
Dear Stefan,
I would like to invite you to view our first test results.

Go on http://www.terawatt.com

Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: supersam on September 27, 2006, 04:48:07 AM
hey johannes,

great stuff on your website!  have you actually got it running on it's own?  or are we just looking at some short term anomolies?  it would be very exciting to see some longer vidieos even if it is not self sustaining at this time.  it definitely looks like your on the right track to find us alot more efficient way to make power,  "if nothing else".

 ihope some others on this site take a little more interest.  i think they would like to take this type of concept and just wrap it in a circle in a static setup.  the spiral and a circle without a sphere?  hmm.

good luck
sam
ps please keep us posted over here at overunity.  there are a lot of great minds actually working on stuff over here too.  thanks
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: Dingus Mungus on September 27, 2006, 11:06:12 PM

This demo makes me question claims of overunity...

http://www.terawatt.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=132&Itemid=41 (http://www.terawatt.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=132&Itemid=41)

Its hard to fully summerize what I have observed in this video but I will lay out some genral points.

-In the video it claims the man is only introducing 50 pounds of force.

In reality it could be less or more, because it was not input/messured properly. So the calculation must be dicarded for now, BUT it will be mentioned again later.

-The man inputs kinetic energy till the weights reach wheel height then releases the shaft, the machine releases the stored power till the springs release all of their kinetic energy but then the spings in backspin lift the weights a quarter of their original height.

It appears to me as if it is acting like a inefficient spring controled pendulum, it only stores kinetic energy efficiently in one dirrection or it would lift the weights back to wheel height (unity) or higher (overunity).
(examples: rollercoaster that travels higher then its fall point, pendulum that swings higher with each stroke, a capacitor that can also recharge its self during discharge???)

Now if the man were to drop 4x50lbs 1.2 meters (input phase) and it indeed could lift 7x50lbs 1.2 meters (output phase), then I would be really amazed by the demo. (attached demo animation)

Maybe I'm not looking at the device properly but those are just my observations.
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: Albert Johnson on November 16, 2012, 11:19:16 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Terawatt after all these years? Any news?
Their website is still online and it seems they are still in "silent-mode". :(
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: AquariuZ on November 22, 2012, 05:58:09 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Terawatt after all these years? Any news?
Their website is still online and it seems they are still in "silent-mode". :(

Maybe Johannes got a "grant" and was told to shut the hell up.

The other site is dead.
Title: Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
Post by: Albert Johnson on November 22, 2012, 11:21:09 PM
Maybe Johannes got a "grant" and was told to shut the hell up.

Hmm, yeah maybe....but who knows.
I can't make head or tail of this whole Terawatt-story.
For more than 4 years they have a TUV and UL confirmation that their device(s) are "over unity", a former CIA-director is apparently part of their team and there is a link to a confidential/restricted production model on their website. But still they remain silent.
I mean, what is going on there?!
I don't get it. :/