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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2005, 08:54:08 PM »
Ups Sorry, must write this in English:
I think a possible error in your thinking might be, that you
think the generator axis will not brake the rotation of the units.
Indeed, if you draw electrical power from the generator the axis
will get a dragback effect and will be slowed down and thus the
impulse will also just slow down after a few units, so it will never reach the
end of the chain.

Where do you think otherwise the energy will be come from ?
As it is a pure closed mechanical system, there is energy inflow from the outside.
Or am I wrong ?

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2005, 04:30:43 AM »
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Dear Stefan,

Bei einem Impuls wird das innere symmetrische Gleichgewicht in einer Anordnung von Elementen kurzzeitig verletzt.
Da die im Gleichgewicht vorhandene Restspannung der einzelnen Elemente zueinander hoeher konzipiert
ist als die Gesamtlast im System (Reibung plus abgenommener Drehmoment am Generator),
verhalten sich die Federn dahingegend, dass sie unwillkuerlich ihre "Leerlauf-Spannung" oder "Rest-Spannung" wieder einnehmen, solange diese und jene Rest-Spannung hoeher ist als die Reibung im System.
Frage:

Das Drehen der Welle erfordert schon soviel Energie, dass der Impuls nach 1 bis 2 Gliedern
versackt und zum Erliegen kommt, w?rde ich sagen....

Antwort:

Dieses Erscheinungsbild wuerde zutreffen, wenn Du Federn mit zu geringer Spannung benutzt.
Ist die Leistungsfaehigkeit der Federn hoeher als die Reibung, ist zu beruecksichtigen dass das Gewicht der einzelenen Scheiben
proportional zu der Federkraft zu erhoehen ist um einen Impuls, der ausschliesslich durch Massentraegheit entstehen kann, zu gewahrleisten.

Frage:

Wo soll sonst die ganze Energie denn herkommen ?
Es ist doch ein rein mechanisches geschlossenes System und von aussen kann
ja keine Energie hineinfliessen...

Antwort:

Ein Beweis, dass bei einer derartigen Anordnung durch Massentraegheit und innerer natuerlicher Kraft von Federn
Energie gewonnen werden kann, laesst sich principiell fuehren, indem man mehrere Anordnungen gegenueberstellt.

Beispiel:

Eine Anordnung ist dahingegend konstruiert, dass sich die ineinandergreifenden Elemente (bestueckt mit Federn) in einer symmetrischen Rest-Spannung (RS)
befinden. RS sei 500N, und die Maximal-Spannung (MS) sei 1000N.

Zusaetzlich ist zu sagen, dass die Reibung in den Ruecklaufsperren (backstopping clutches) bei einer Anzahl von
100 Stueck 10% von RS ist.

Es werden nun verschiedene Anordnungen mit selber RS und MS in den jeweiligen Elementen gegenuebergestellt.

1. Anordnung : 2 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad)

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Ergebnis: Da die Reibung im System
(2 Kugellager, 1 Ruecklaufsperre/backstopping clutch), 2 Freilaufgetriebe/overrunning clutch)
geringer ist als RS (500N), ist gewaerleistet, dass sich das zweite in der Kette befindliche Element um
den selben Betrag (45 Grad) nach vorne bewegt als erstes Element.

Arbeit wird verrichtet indem die Federkraft der ineinandergreifenden Elemente kurzzeitig von 500N auf 1000N erhoeht wird.
Dies wird erreicht durch ein angemessenes Gewicht der einzelnen Scheiben (da Massentraegheit erwuenscht und notwedig ist um eine individuelle Bewegung, sprich Impulse, zu erreichen)
und eine angemessene Geschwindigkeit des ersten Elements, das mit hohem Schwung an zweites Element herangefuehrt wird.

Da der Ruecklauf verhindert ist (Ruecklaufsperre), wird das zweite Element, verzoegert durch den Massentraegheitsmoment, unwillkuerlich nach vorne gezwungen bis sich RS (500N) wieder einstellt.

Dieser Vorgang kann unendlich wiederholt werden (begrentzt durch die Tauglichkeit der Federn und Kupplungen)

2.Anordnung : 2 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad), plus 50W Stromabnahme am zweitem Element

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Leistungsabgabe: 0.4 sec 50 W

Da wir den Vorgang nach jedem vollstaendigem Ausgleich wiederholen ist die

Pulswiederholung am Eingang: 100 mal per Minute

Ergebnis: Da die Reibung im System
[2 Kugellager(B), 1 Ruecklaufsperre/backstopping clutch (BC),5, 2 Freilaufgetriebe/overrunning clutch (OC), 50W Generator]
geringer ist als RS (500N), ist gewaerleistet, dass sich das zweite in der Kette befindliche Element um
den selben Betrag (45 Grad) nach vorne bewegt als erstes Element.

Arbeit wird verrichtet indem die Federkraft der ineinandergreifenden Elemente kurzzeitig von 500N auf 1000N erhoeht wird.
Dies wird erreicht durch ein angemessenes Gewicht der einzelnen Scheiben (da Massentraegheit erwuenscht und notwedig ist um eine individuelle Bewegung, sprich Impulse, zu erreichen)
und eine angemessene Geschwindigkeit des ersten Elements, das mit hohem Schwung an zweites Element herangefuehrt wird.

Da der Ruecklauf verhindert ist  (Ruecklaufsperre), wird das zweite Element, verzoegert durch den Massentraegheitsmoment, unwillkuerlich nach vorne gezwungen bis sich RS (500N) wieder einstellt.

Der angelegte 50W Generator bremst den Ausgleichsprozess der Elemente prozential im Verhaeltnis von der Schwungkraft der aufgenommenen Energie und der jetzt etwas erhoehten vorhandenen Reibung, verhindert aber eine Wiederherstellung der Symmetrie nicht, da diese nur negative beeinflusst wuerde, wenn die
Gesamtreibung den kritischen Moment von 500N ueberschreiten wuerde.

Da wir uns aber mit 50W weit unter diesem Niveau befinden ist gewahrleistet, dass E1 rot = E2 rot ist.

Da die Federn zwischen dem ersten und zweiten Element ihre volle Spannung von 1000N bereits erreicht haben bevor sich das zweite Element in Bewegung setzt
(entsprechendes Gewicht der Scheiben bewirkt eine hohe Massentraegheit ), ist keine erhoehte Leistungsaufnahme (300W) notwendig, da die Spannungsaufnahme
in den Federn dieselbe ist wie in der 1. Anordnung.


Der innere Drehmoment des Generators hat den Zeitverlauf  des Ausgleichs der Federn verlaengert, aber nicht die Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element erhoeht.

Diesen Effekt machen wir uns zum Vorteil, indem wir weitere Elemente in Reihe schalten.

3.Anordnung : 5 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad), plus 50W Stromabnahme von 2.-5. Element

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Leistungsabgabe: 1 sec 50 W

Eine Anordnung von 5 Elementen fordert dieselbe Leistungsaufnahme wie in 1. und 2. Anordnung beschrieben, jedoch erhoeht sich der Zeitverlauf indem
im anliegendem Generator Elektrizitaet erzeugt wird.


Da wir den Vorgang nach jedem vollstaendigem Ausgleich wiederholen ist die

Pulswiederholung am Eingang: 50 mal per Minute

4.Anordnung : 30 Elemente, 1 Impulse (45 Grad), plus 50W Stromabnahme von 2.-5. Element

Leistungsaufnahme am ersten Element: 300 W 0.2 sec

Leistungsabgabe: 6 sec 50 W

Da wir den Vorgang nach jedem vollstaendigem Ausgleich wiederholen ist die

Pulswiederholung am Eingang: 9.6 mal per Minute


Eine Anordnung von 5 Elementen fordert dieselbe Leistungsaufnahme wie in 1. und 2. Anordnung beschrieben, jedoch erhoeht sich der Zeitverlauf indem
im anliegendem Generator Elektrizitaet erzeugt wird.


Bei einer Anzahl von 30 Elementen haben wir in unserem Beispiel (durch die hier begrenzte RS 500N) eine Konstellation erreicht,
in der ohne Gewichterhoehung der Scheiben und einer dazugehoerigen Ersetzung der Federn mit jeweiliger hoeherer Spannung
keine Erweiterung im System vorgenommen werden sollte.   

Zusammenfassung:

Je mehr Elemente sich in einer sich selbst ausgleichenden symmetrischen Anordnung befinden, je mehr an innerer ausgleichender
Energie kann bei der Zusammenwirkung von Massentraegheit und geladenem Impulse aus einem System entzogen werden.

Dabei ist die Anzahl der Elemente in Uebereinstimmung mit der vorhandenen Restspannung,
Massentraegheit der einzelnen Elemente und der angelegten Gesamtreibung zu beruecksichtigen.

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Johannes Schroetter

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2005, 05:38:24 AM »
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Dear Stefan,

You can study the patent in German language and review the drawings.

http://www.planetenergy.com/patap02_full.htm

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2005, 11:18:43 AM »
From my understanding of the patent, I see a device that transmits a mechanical impulse from an element to the next one and so on, thus providing an impulse delay, with the possibility of looping the impulse of the last element back to the first one.
Nevertheless if there are losses in the process (and inevitably there are) or if we want to extract work from the motion of the elements, the impulse will weaken.
How could we expect for an energy gain? Where it comes from?

Thanks for further explanations.

Fran?ois

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2005, 11:37:28 AM »
Thank you for your interest.

Please study our websites at:

http://www.planetenergy.com
http://www.terawatt.com

and then  the post on this topic 1,2,3.

The content of your questions should be different than below.

There is a lot of interactive content on our site

like http://www.planetenergy.com/mech11.htm
In general it is to say:

As more weight is brought in motion as more energy is present.

Our system allows the coupling of interacting elements.
Variable in design but generally with the possibility of adding additional elements to a certain limit
without the increase of its sustaining impulse.

As the energy required to run a system with 5 pulsed elements is equal
to a system than runs on 30 pulsed elements, certain results should be taken under consideration.

As more mass is turned through a longer period of time,
we have to admit that energy is hereby not only transferred.

As we conducted several tests by using dynamic simulations on http://www.mscsoftware.com/
our curiosity made us proceed further.
Several studies in real world have been conducted, and we should be able to present some functioning
models in the near future.

Our effort is to share our present accomplishment and we use the ability of interactive presentation through the internet.

To observe a dynamic behavior on a screen is certainly more difficult as we do it in our laboratories, but nevertheless
I hope to give as many people the enthusiasm to overcome old believes.

Impulse behaviors have complex  and  various manifestations.

We are very convinced in our studies and will keep you updated about our research.

We are thankful for any questions you might have as it helps us improve our content.

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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2005, 01:20:32 PM »
Hi Johannes,
maybe you can render the animation in :
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm
again with slower speed and with showing all clutches and back-stoppers...

This way it might get more clear, how the springs move the masses.

Hmm, I really have a hard time to understand why after a few units the springs should
still be able to being compress it more than 500 Nm.

If the impulse will slow down due to friction and generator drag back, the springs could
not be compress anymore over 500 Nm and so the rest-tension will not be reached anymore...

Well, what did your first model with the magnets show ?
Did you actually build it or was it also a 3D simulation ?
Looked pretty real, so I guess you have built it ?

Well, if this really works in the mechanical world, it should
be easy to construct an electronic circuit which will behave simular
and then directly electrical energy could be extracted.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2005, 01:41:25 PM »
Hey Stefan,

nice to hear from you.
I will reply to your questions very shortly.
My time is very limited.
As soon we have results, I will inform you.

Best regards
und
Gruesse nach Deutschland

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2005, 08:17:04 PM »
P=(Bv2Xq)/8XpiX981000)
Please,can anybody give answer ? about this" Formula" !

Ol? Lanca IV,

I think the Formula gives the attractive force of an electromagnet but it is used in old MKSA system and not in the SI system because the German inventor uses cm instead of meter or uses Gauss instead of Tesla units. So the 981000 in the Formula is a correction number for the MKSA system we usually do not use any more.

I happened to find the very same Formula on a Russian site dealing with electromagnets, see url at:

http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/007/118/118563.htm? and go down to Formula (7)? in the middle of the long htm page.

If you cannot understand any Russian, you can use an online language translator from Russian to English or German or Spanish or French at this site:? http://webtranslation.paralink.com/? and you have to copy and paste the above url into the small url window and choose language translation direction too. This is a machine translation of course!

Could you explain to me how? Wilhelm Klinsing's Electro-magnetic motor is supposed to operate?? How Lentz law is used to gain energy?

I understand that there are two coils (Wicklung 1 and 2) serving as (probably air cored soleonid) electromagnets fed by 6V/0.025A input and between these two coils a permanent magnet as a piston (marked as Wicklung 3) can go forward and backward and this movement is assisted by the mechanical parts Pleuelstange and Kurbelwelle so that the coils are also switched in turn by these back and forth movements to change current direction in them, hence to insure magnetic pole change as needed.? BUT how the two coils are connected I wonder, maybe in parallel with each other or they are independently switched / made to change poles?? Could you figure out an electrical circuit drawing ?

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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2005, 04:00:45 PM »

But coming back to the Klinsing calculations:
I think that there is a second fault-he used for q in the P=Bv2/(8x3.14x981000) formula
78,5 (=F,area)? and not q= 0,078 !!!
The consequence is/would be that? the output is 1000X times less !
Do you agree?(Pardon,I did not translate the russian text)

But now to the formula itself:
Could it be that " P=Bv2xq/(8xpix981000)" represent the "THERMODYNAMIC" ANALOGON,
a formula that represent the "ELECTRODYNAMIC",
"Lorentz+Lenz+Biot-Savart-combination" or in other words
is this a formula that-OFFICIALLY/SCIENTIFICAL-claims an "OVERUNITY REAKTION" ?

Ol? Lanca IV,

Eu posso falar pouco Portoguese, trabalhava meio anno em Maputo em 1982... mas tentar escecer este lingua... disculpe me,  prefero usar Ingl?s, ok?

Ok, you also did your homework, but I think there is no second mistake in Formula numerical calculation: the area F (or surface) of the electromagnet coil is to be  considered which is 78.5cm^2  (square cm) so the force comes out as 659.45 kg, this seems ok. Now converting this old kilogram force to Newton force, it should be multiplied by 9.81, which gives 6469.2 N and to get this in horse power we have to divide it by 736, this comes out 8.789 HP as in the patent.  You mention q=0.078 which is the cross section area in mm^2 (square mm) of the 1105 meter long winding wire of the electromagnet coil. So the output is not 1000 times less because of this.  Agree?
So the formula P=Bv2xq/(8xpix981000) gives force in kg of an electromagnet which kg as a unit of force is not used nowadays. I made a mistake by naming the old system as MKSA but in fact it is called CGS system and this is also obsolote now. There is a good conversion possibility between CGS and present day SI system here: http://www.conversiontables.com and it comes out that originally the force comes out in dyne (in CGS) from the Formula but putting 981000 into its denumerator it converts to kg, which is more useful practically.

Now comes my dilemma: I still do not understand how and why Lenz law gives power amplification between the switched coils? Can you explain if you got it?

At? proxima

Gyula

PS  I agree with you in the first mistake you noticed is a calculation fault :4zylinderX3turningsX8,79PS=105,48PS and not 139,2 PS

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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2005, 12:34:23 AM »
Ola Gyula,
pardon but I have now an another "problem",
after the first M.A.S.E.R.-trial with input 25 Watt/output 150W-
actually (yesterday,12th /today,13th of Dec.) we(a triade of searchers) got with an ~20W(12V,1,6A) input/ 700W(70V,10A) output !!!
Very confuse-the first versus actual ?input-output? behaviour !
The output is not unexspected,the max. shall be 1100W.

1982,Maputo:Shall I do a political question(betr.Lourenco Marques,RENAMO,et cetera...) ?
Only a-black(african) humor- joke!!!

After the translation of the russian text? I understand? this formula ( the integration of the
Biot-Savart-v(-elocity)-Amplification law included) as Partikel/Mass-Accelerator-Fundamental/base !!!
About the effect of the Lenz-Law:the? Back-EMF will be neutralisized/transduced in kinetic force,
from linear to rotational-amplified- force !

Ol? Lanca IV,

Thanks and I am looking forward to your further test results.,  not to mention the details of your device...   ::)

Regarding the effect of the Lenz law, you still beat around the bush...  :-\  I would be more than happy to understand how the coils are connected in each working phase. Have you figured it out?

You mentioned McFarlandCook-Coil Improvement from 1873, I have read that patent too but also cannot get how it works  :'(  Harold Aspden has also an interesting patent maybe based on similar concept?

Ate proxima
Gyula

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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2006, 08:39:08 PM »
Dear Stefan,
I would like to invite you to view our first test results.

Go on http://www.terawatt.com

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2006, 04:48:07 AM »
hey johannes,

great stuff on your website!  have you actually got it running on it's own?  or are we just looking at some short term anomolies?  it would be very exciting to see some longer vidieos even if it is not self sustaining at this time.  it definitely looks like your on the right track to find us alot more efficient way to make power,  "if nothing else".

 ihope some others on this site take a little more interest.  i think they would like to take this type of concept and just wrap it in a circle in a static setup.  the spiral and a circle without a sphere?  hmm.

good luck
sam
ps please keep us posted over here at overunity.  there are a lot of great minds actually working on stuff over here too.  thanks

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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2006, 11:06:12 PM »

This demo makes me question claims of overunity...

http://www.terawatt.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=132&Itemid=41

Its hard to fully summerize what I have observed in this video but I will lay out some genral points.

-In the video it claims the man is only introducing 50 pounds of force.

In reality it could be less or more, because it was not input/messured properly. So the calculation must be dicarded for now, BUT it will be mentioned again later.

-The man inputs kinetic energy till the weights reach wheel height then releases the shaft, the machine releases the stored power till the springs release all of their kinetic energy but then the spings in backspin lift the weights a quarter of their original height.

It appears to me as if it is acting like a inefficient spring controled pendulum, it only stores kinetic energy efficiently in one dirrection or it would lift the weights back to wheel height (unity) or higher (overunity).
(examples: rollercoaster that travels higher then its fall point, pendulum that swings higher with each stroke, a capacitor that can also recharge its self during discharge???)

Now if the man were to drop 4x50lbs 1.2 meters (input phase) and it indeed could lift 7x50lbs 1.2 meters (output phase), then I would be really amazed by the demo. (attached demo animation)

Maybe I'm not looking at the device properly but those are just my observations.

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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2012, 11:19:16 AM »
Does anyone know what happened to Terawatt after all these years? Any news?
Their website is still online and it seems they are still in "silent-mode". :(

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2012, 05:58:09 PM »
Does anyone know what happened to Terawatt after all these years? Any news?
Their website is still online and it seems they are still in "silent-mode". :(

Maybe Johannes got a "grant" and was told to shut the hell up.

The other site is dead.

 

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