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« on: November 15, 2005, 02:05:23 AM »
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Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 11:39:16 AM »
very nice...
so the springs actually locks/unlocks because of its rotating momentum from gravity and is what gives that extra kick to keep on turning?
im guessing...
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Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 06:41:21 PM »
Is it permanent magnet based ?
Do you try to rectify the cogging of magnets somehow ?

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2005, 07:39:47 PM »
Dear FreeEnergy,
We advise you to observe following interactive demonstrations at:

http://www.planetenergy.com/mech15.htm

http://www.planetenergy.com/mech11.htm


and
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech5.htm


It shows,

An arrangement of disks:

Interlinked with springs
The disks can only rotate in one direction (applied backstopping clutches). http://www.planetenergy.com/in2.htm
The rest tension (extended balanced condition) of each spring is higher than the friction in the arrangement (included tightening torque from generator on collector axis).

Therefore:

The disks in the stack are positioned at rest symmetrically to each other.
Once disturbed (by bursting impulse on 1. element after IPS Loader) the elements (disks) constrain themselve forward until prior symmetric position is again reestablished.
As the rest tension of each spring is calculated to be higher than the total friction, friction will only slow down the entire impulse but will not prevent that each spring will reestablish its extended prior state again and again after each initiated impulse.
General rule: the rest tension in between two interlinked elements should be 60% higher than
the total torque in and on the system (friction on backstopping clutches, friction on overrunning clutches, tightening torque on generator...).

Result after each impulse:

The position of each disk to each other is exactly equal to its starting position.
Each disk has been rotated one after the other (caused by its specific mass moment of inertia) in the new position predetermined by the first element burst.

Target of our first prototype is to establish:

The right amout of disks
The right weight of each disk (a perfect mass moment of inertia in accordance with the tension of springs results in a high defined impulse)
The right rest tension of applied springs (in accordance with the friction in the arrangement and tightening torque of generator)
And the right ammount of degrees and speed of the repeated burst initiated by the Impulse Loader
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech7.htm

We established several basic tests in real world.
We entered these results into numeric simulations.

The outcome leads us to realize a prototype and overcome Old Believes.

Today we are in process of developing a 30 kW demonstration Unit.
Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2005, 07:47:51 PM »
Now this is a Machine that will , you know ;-).

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2005, 09:21:31 PM »
Dear Stefan,

Thank you for your interest.

Our first concept model was in fact based on magnets.
This was IPS MA M1

http://www.planetenergy.com/model1a.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1b.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1c.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1d.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model1e.htm

Then we designed bigger elements

IPS MA M2
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2a.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2b.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2c.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2d.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/model2f.htm

In the mean time we developed a parrallel study using springs instead of magnets
and decided to persue our next prototyping stage using springs,
as they are more efficient, easier to handle and very accessible.
Today we are in process of developing a 30 kW demonstration Unit.

Please let us know if you have additional questions.

Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2005, 05:29:59 PM »
The Nwo will do anything to stop free-energy other wise,whats the point in Oil and Shops?

and Tax?

It will basicly Crash like dominos would it?
;-).
same with man-made legislation that doesnt work?

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2005, 10:36:54 PM »
Dear Daniel,

You are right if we would live in a world with unending fossil fuel supply.

I advise you to read The Hydrogen Economy from Jeremy Rifkin

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-04.htm
http://www.foet.org/JeremyRifkin.htm
http://www.foet.org/hydrogeneconomy.htm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585421936/102-5254561-7994528?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?171

It is a very interesting book about a New Clean Alternative Energy Era.


Jeremy Rifkin, president of the Foundation on Economic Trends, is the author of seventeen books on the impact of scientific and technological changes on the economy, the workforce, society, and the environment.  His books have been translated into more than twenty languages and are used in hundreds of universities around the world.  His 1995 book, The End of Work, is an international bestseller that is widely credited with helping shape the current global debate on technology displacement, corporate downsizing and the future of jobs.  His 1998 bestseller, The Biotech Century, addresses the many critical issues accompanying the new era of genetic commerce and is the most widely read book in the world on the biotech revolution.  Mr. Rifkin?s 2000 bestseller, The Age of Access, explores the vast changes occurring in the capitalist system as it makes the transition from geographic markets to e-commerce networks and from industrial to cultural production.  In his 2002 bestseller, The Hydrogen Economy, Rifkin takes us on an eye-opening journey into the next great commercial era in history.  He envisions the dawn of a new economy powered by hydrogen that will fundamentally change the nature of our market, political and social institutions, just as coal and steam power did at the beginning of the industrial age.

 

In his newest book, The European Dream: How Europe?s Vision of the Future is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, Mr. Rifkin argues that while the great American Dream is fading, a powerful new European Dream is beginning to capture the attention and imagination of the world.  The nascent European Dream, says Rifkin, is, in many respects, the mirror opposite of the American Dream, but far better suited to meet the challenges of a globalizing society in the 21st century.  Rifkin draws on more than twenty years of personal experience working in Europe, where he has advised heads of state and political parties, consulted with Europe?s leading companies, and helped spur grass-roots, environmental, and social justice campaigns.

 

Mr. Rifkin holds a degree in economics from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and a degree in international affairs from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.  Rifkin speaks frequently before government, business, labor and civic forums. He has lectured at more than 500 universities in some 20 countries in the past 30 years.  Since 1994, Mr. Rifkin has been a fellow at the Wharton School?s Executive Education Program, where he lectures to CEOs and senior corporate management from around the world on new trends in science and technology and their impacts on the global economy, society and the environment.  Mr. Rifkin?s monthly column on global issues appears in many of the world?s leading newspapers and magazines, including The Guardian in the U.K., Die Suddeutsche Zeitung in Germany, L?Espresso in Italy, El Pais in Spain, Information in Denmark, Knack in Belgium, Clarin in Argentina, and Al-Ittihad in the U.A.E.

 

Rifkin has been influential in shaping public policy in the United States and around the world.  He has testified before numerous congressional committees and has had consistent success in litigation to ensure responsible government policies on a variety of environmental, scientific and technology related issues.  He has been a frequent guest on numerous television programs, including CNN?s Crossfire, Face the Nation, The Lehrer News Hour, 20/20, Larry King Live, Today, and Good Morning America.  The National Journal named Rifkin as one of 150 people in the U.S. that have the most influence in shaping federal government policy.

 

Mr. Rifkin is the founder and president of The Foundation on Economic Trends (www.foet.org) in Washington, DC.  The foundation examines the economic, environmental, social and cultural impacts of new technologies introduced into the global economy.


You will become aware of the challenges mankind has in the next 10 years and beyond.

Thank you for your reply
Johannes Schroetter

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Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2005, 07:06:07 PM »
Hi Johannes,
many thanks for all the interesting infos.

But why can you use springs alone ?

Where does then the energy input come from ?

P.S: What happens at the end of the row.how is the impulse
again fed back to the first stage ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: new clean efficient alternative energy source
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2005, 05:06:19 AM »
Hi Johannes,
I had another look at it.

Why do you think, that in:
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm
with the 5 loading springs and 15 additional elements
you will gain energy ?

Can you please explain it in detail ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: If that really works this way, then it would be possible
to also build it in an electronic version only, just using LC tank
circuits
and diodes for the swithing or MOSFETS to switch
the LC tanks circuits in the right moment.


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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2005, 05:33:43 AM »
http://www.planetenergy.com
Hey Stefan,

to answer your questions

The link http://www.planetenergy.com/model2f.htm (7.8 MB) shows you the dynamic behaviour of two interacting elements equipped with magnets.
The link http://www.planetenergy.com/mech15.htm presents a very similar dynamic behaviour of two interacting elements equipped with springs.

In simple terms:
A repulsive arrangement of magnets in between two interacting elements causes self-compensation among each other.

and
a pre-compressed arrangement of springs in between two interacting elements causes self-compensation among each other.

Advantage of springs:

They are cheaper
much easier to handle
and enable big applications

The links
http://planetenergy.com/mech7.htm
http://planetenergy.com/mech12.htm
are demonstrating the the energy input (IPS Loader).

This "Loader" (5 interacting elements, first element turnes linear with an electric motor, last element is switched free in intervals by a brake) simply replaces a step motor.

Advantage compared to a step motor:

Much less energy consumption.

Result:
Timed impulse is repeated released (with hydraulic brake) into an arrangement of interacting elements (IPS SYSTEM installed and interlinked after 5th element).
As each burst ( ex:180 degree) is causing all following elements to turn one by one forward (caused through mass moment of inertia) until all elements are in the new position predetermined by the first element burst.

As self-compensation, even by an applied generator, is guaranteed through the specific amount of pre-compression of the springs, work is being transferred and created by the IPS System during each equalizing process.

Each burst (ex:180 degree impulse) needs energy, but the right amount of subsequent interlinked elements causes the dynamic rotation of each weight of these disks.

As mass in motion represents energy and as the emerging torque is transfered onto a collector axis, we can overcome the initiated amount of energy if the amount of extracted torque is handled carfully.
in principle: http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm

to your last two questions you can study the energy flow at:
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech12.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech5.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech3.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/flow1.htm

to your question Posted on: Today at 04:06:19 AM a detailed explanation will follow.

The right combination is a delicate but possible task.

Please let me know if you obtained a better understanding and do not hesitate to ask us additional questions.

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Johannes Schroetter

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2005, 07:40:54 PM »
Hi Johannes,
the main questions still remains.

In:

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm

does it really produce 1500 Joule from 1000 Joule input
or are you just using the precompressed springs to deliver the
500 extra Joules ?
As you had to precompress the springs earlier maybe you get only
now back, what you put in before ?

How can you be sure, that the springs are then again after the cycle
in the precompressed status and the cycle can repeat again with additional
500 Joules output ?

If I can understand this concept, I can try to make an equivalent electronic circuit
which would behave the same way and so it would bemuch easier to do, than
to make a mechanical device.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: With what software package  did you do the great 3D animations
and conversion to Flash ? Thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2005, 12:17:51 AM »
hehehehehe  ;D
yes it can be simplified into that Stefan!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2005, 01:01:33 AM by FreeEnergy »

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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2005, 09:01:53 AM »
http://www.planetenergy.com

Dear Stefan,

We have recently updated our website. You should go on:

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri12.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri11.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri10.htm

This will help you to get a better general understanding.

In "early experiments" on the sitemap (http://www.planetenergy.com/map1.htm)
you will find prior studies based on magnets. I also placed the links on the bottom of that page.
To your question:
As you had to precompress the springs earlier maybe you get only
now back, what you put in before ?

Answer:
Lets take as an example were two elements are the "Loader" and

10 elements (with backstopping clutches) are additionaly connected like in

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri10.htm

Specifications:

Rotational discharge is 45 degrees
(45 degrees for an easier understanding, 180 degrees is a more effective but far more complicated to explain in its dynamic behaviour)

On the first element where the level is fixed, we apply an overrunning clutch, so we can push the handle up and down, creating bursts.

The burst frequency of the level is 30 times 45 degrees per minute.

Therfore:

We have to compress 30 times per minute the two first interlinked elements quick enough to initiate an impulse and achieve subsequently compensation  in the
following 10 elements.

To obtain 30 times 45 degrees = 1350 degrees, we need

30 x 300W for 0.2 sec = 6 sec 300 W per minute.

This represents 0.030 kWh input.

The compensating 10 elements have turned after 1 minute

30 times 10 elements x 45 degrees= 13 500 degrees.

300 times the 10 elements have turned their inner compression into motion (energy), what we achieved by "surprising them", physically speaking through their
mass moment of inertia. As higher the mass of the disks as higher we can set the compression of the springs.

We can also increase the dynamic weight of the disks by applying the right ratio between inner element and outer collector axis (equipped with overruning clutches)
plus applied flywheel as demonstated in

http://www.planetenergy.com/mech17.htm



The applied generator (with 50W consumtion) has produced after 1 minute respectively

0.050 kWh.

To your question:
How can you be sure, that the springs are then again after the cycle
in the precompressed status and the cycle can repeat again with additional
500 Joules output ?


Answer:

Lets say the precompression of each spring is 500 N
The maximum compression 1000 N.

If the total torque (friction plus generator) on the system is less than 500 N
(preverred 50% or less than the equalized force in between each interacting element)
each element must turn into the precompressed status.

Through its inner force, th spring naturally comments to come back to its extended position,
knowing that any present force or friction on the system remains lower than the compression of the spring.


The specific layout of all interacting elements will allow that 
any applied constant torque on the yellow collector axis under 840.33 in-lb will
not stop the 10 elements to achieve their symmetrical  balance.
The symmetry is disturbed, compensated, disturbed and compensated again and again.

As in our example the permanent torque in the system (friction) plus the torque on the generator
is far below the "critical torque" of 840.33 in-lb,
therefore the compensation of elements will constantly and fluently be achieved.
In short terms:

If you  kick the first element of an IPS Unit 1800 times an hour.

The IPS kicks 18 000 times an element for you.

By collecting the right amount of energy, the operating speed of the impulse will be constant.
As more torque is applied on the collector axis, less speed is appearing during the compensation of elements.
A wise ballance of all terms and conditions allows operational function and the highest performance
of the system.

As of today we are in progress of building several diffferent devices. We use for example cryogenic treated
springs, what will allow us constant and equal long term analysis.

Based on that results and after several design revisions we will build a self-sustainable unit.


I hope that I have answered your request to your satisfaction.

Johannes Schroetter

Planetenergy Ltd.


Links to prior studies based on magnets:

http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history1.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history2.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history3.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history4.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history5.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history6.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history7.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history8.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history9.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history11.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history12.htm

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2005, 08:43:20 PM »
Ich galube , vielleicht liegt der Fehler irgendwie darin, dass Ihr denkt,
dass die Welle, die den Generator dreht das System nicht abschw?cht.

Richtig m?sste aber sein, dass durch die Stromentnahme am Generator
die Welle ja belastet wird und sich deshalb wahrscheinlich der Impuls gar nicht
bis zum Ende der Kette weiter forplanzt, oder ?
Das Drehen der Welle erfordert schon soviel Energie, dass der Impuls nach 1 bis 2 Gliedern
versackt und zum Erliegen kommt, w?rde ich sagen....

Wo soll sonst die ganze Energie denn herkommen ?
Es ist doch ein rein mechanisches geschlosenes System und von aussen kann
ja keine Energie hineinfliessen...

Also woher w?rde Eurer Meinung nach die ?berschuss-Energie herkommen ?
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