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Title: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: supermuble on November 03, 2008, 02:43:07 AM
I just recently built a Bedini motor for the first time. I am posting this message to make friends  ;D so I can learn and get feedback on the things I've learned ???. Yesterday I accidentally stumbled across a new way to boost the performance of the Bedini Simplified School girl (SSG). Go easy on me, I am not an expert, and I could be confused!  :D

I used the SSG circuit with the bare essentials and nothing else. I used a piece of wood with 16 magnets. 24 gauge/27 gauge power and trigger on a spool with about 450 turns.

I found that by placing an inductor with an "air" core (no iron, etc) with 90 feet of 26 gauge wire on a 3/4" spool in between my charging battery and my primary battery, my voltage spikes are doubled. I found that by using a Bifilar coil and by running the negative of the primary battery through one of the inductor wires, I increase voltage yet again by 200 volts per spike. By using a 2nd inductor wired in series with the first, I can get another 200 volts. Anyway, I am currently running with 700 volt spikes with all the wires hooked up to the batteries (closed circuit). If I remove the additional inductors I see only a 5 or 10 volt spike on the oscilloscope. I have also verified power by simply grabbing onto the wires. As it sits, I cannot grab the wires, they are painful. With the original configuration, I was able to get a very mild shock and could even wet my hands and only a receive a mildly stinging shock. But now, the voltage is high enough between terminals that it hurts to touch it! Since I have no capacitors, I'm not overly concerned about getting electrocuted!  :D

I included some screen shots of the oscilloscope with the motor running and with the charge wires hooked up to the batteries. Notice I am at about 700 - 800 volts in spikes. It got me wondering just what the limit is for the voltage multiplication. By adding more bifilar inductors I should be able to double the voltage with each additional inductor coil (added on the negative side) of the primary battery. Note that if you want to try this, just make sure to get the polarity right, otherwise it appears to cause a severely restrictive resonance that drains power. The negative of the primary battery and the negative of the charge battery both go into the same side of the bifilar inductor as shown in the picture. I've noticed no difference between going from the south or the north pole on the inductor. I have found reduced power output by using an iron core.

I am running 20 ohms of resistance on the transistor and I do not have an adjustable pot. If I run 40 ohms, it is not enough to keep the wheel moving. 

In the last two hours I went from 21.49 volts total to 23.00 volts total (measured in series between 2 12 volt batteries). The charging battery went from 9.67, over to 11:42 volts in a 2 hour period, while the primary battery went from 11.83 to 11.59. I have NEVER seen my batteries do this until I added the two inductors between the charge and primary battery. It appears that I have increased the efficiency of my original SSG by a large margin. Surprisingly, the 2nd charge battery has been getting better and better, even though it is filled up with 80% or more pure tap water, the battery was so dry you couldn't even see liquid inside of it.  It goes dead much faster than the primary battery, but even still, I can swap both batteries and maintain a constant increase in voltage! It seems to be responding better and better and now it is taking a pretty good charge.

So have I found a new way to improve the SSG or am I just wasting time?

(http://www.h2ofuelkits.com/personal/scope_w_two_inductors.jpg)(http://www.h2ofuelkits.com/personal/scope_w_two_inductors2.jpg)
(http://www.h2ofuelkits.com/personal/Bedini_motor_inductor.jpg)
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2008, 03:42:00 AM
Hi!

That is like this photo shows. Maybe a little different. Its called the Everett variant.
This guy used the bare coils.
Do you have the connection schematic of yours?

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: HeairBear on November 03, 2008, 03:51:48 AM
Very cool and very interesting. My buddy did something similar to this using one of my ignition coils. He finds all sorts of strange results. My guess is the extra coil is adding to the turns of the secondary or output side of the circuit. In short, turning your 1:1 coil into a 1:3 step-up transformer type deal. Have you seen IMHOTEP's Radiant oscillator thingy? I think that might work on this same principle. I'm not 100% sure about that though.

Great work!
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2008, 03:55:43 AM
Hi!

That is not my work.
I found it long time ago on the bedini group at yahoo.

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2008, 08:07:42 PM
Hi!

My question is how do I connect the coils to the rest of the circuit?

Jesus

Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: supermuble on November 04, 2008, 08:09:01 AM
Tonight I had 1500 volt spikes by adding another inductor in series. As if by magic, my meter registered 130 volts DC (NOT AC)!!
How in the world did I manage to create 130 volts continuous (1500 volt spikes) by merely adding a single extra inductor? See attached pics!

Now if I could just learn a little more so I can apply some of these concepts better.

I have not had enough running time to confirm that my setup can make a repeat performance like it did when I first saw the drastic charging effects. To hook it up, you hook up the NEG from the primary battery and the NEG from the charge battery to one side of the inductor. The negative terminal from 1st and 2nd batteries go on the same side of the coil. Now you should have an extra ground wire coming from your SG circuit that is not attached to anything, hook this up to the opposite side of the coil, to the opposite wire from the NEG of the primary battery. Now you have one wire left on the bifilar coil, this goes to the positive terminal on the main running battery.

You are linking the two batteries together through the inductor, and then you are linking the ground wire from the primary battery to the SG circuit through the same inductor on the same core. The funny thing is, this is the same concept Stan Meyer used for his VIC (voltage intensifier circuit) to make hydrogen from water. He used a variation of a simple bifilar coil. When power went into it, it would stop the flow of amperage by the bifilar coil having a canceling effect. The power would build up in the water capacitor because it couldn't come back into the magnetized inductor coil and then the water molecules would break down from electrical stress. This seems to be something similar to the situation I've created with my Bedini batteries.
Whether it is the type we want for charging, that is yet to be fully determined.

It should look like the picture above.

BTW, Don't get shocked. :o 1500 volts turns out to be somewhat painful  :D


I'll work on a schematic tomorrow :)

Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: identity on November 04, 2008, 08:41:42 AM
hi supermuble, nice discovery of the new mods for the ssg. could you please post an schematic of the mods you made, so we can replicate it accurately and easily. Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: innovation_station on November 04, 2008, 11:23:22 PM
nice set up ..

i can not see your pics at present tho but it dont matter i know how it works and

i offer this for advice use heavy gage coil  i have too seen 1900vac spikes from a pluse from a 9v  or 12v  awell i have been zaped big time  ;D

it knocked both my arms numb  for over 10 min .....    ;D

i also fired my tpu for the first time only 1 coil it has a cap in it same curcuit tho...  it fired me 477 vdc i have 6 of thease indivigual units in my tpu   my caps are 500vac 13uf  oh yes the fill quick.... lol

ist

keep up the great work...
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 12:33:08 AM
Hi!

Is this what you meant by your explanation?
I put the bifilar coil between the two batteries.

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 02:34:08 AM
Hi!

In order to make a good replicatiom of yours, we need to clarify the coil connections first, then how they interconnect with the SG circuit.

Is this the correct connection of the coil?

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: innovation_station on November 05, 2008, 03:09:47 AM
i have not yet done a dwg of my unit altho it is much similar to what has been showen

however my batteries are not wired exactally as showen ...  nor is my coil  i beleave im switching  the neg....  not the pos..  pos  from the primary battery goes to the primary coil ....  then secondary battery is tied to primary battery ...  it is pos from pri and neg from sec  charge goes to pos secondary when wired properly u will get 24 v across both and 12v independent of 1 another.....

i will some time hook this my way and take a pic for you

i also have a full wave  bridge rectifier after the cap to convert it ALL TO dc  if you want higher voltage kicks then lower the selfinductance of the primary and rise the high selfinductance of the trigger...  i will use...... when i make more coils 14ga and 30 there bouts...

i also uped my resistor to a 1k 4 w   it burnt out my 3055  in 10 min ....   but it could be a loose connection ...  im not sure at this time ..

ist
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 03:29:43 AM
Hi!

I will wait for the drawings offered.

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: supermuble on November 05, 2008, 05:02:00 AM
Here is the diagram drawn correctly.  ;D The previous diagram should be changed since the coil wires are drawn incorrectly (thanks for trying though!) 

(http://www.h2ofuelkits.com/personal/Bedini_w_bifilar.gif)


Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 05:15:40 AM
Hi!

It seems that none of my guesses were good!
Thank you for the schematic.

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 05:26:36 AM
Hi!

Pardon my ignorance, but I dont understand the extra coil on the trigger circuit.

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: supermuble on November 05, 2008, 05:57:10 AM
Ha ha! I am new to circuit diagrams, and I didn't draw that portion of the diagram. I have NO idea what that is! I guess for now we will assume that it is an "optional" coil that isn't needed!
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 06:13:22 AM
Hi!

Thank you!

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: identity on November 05, 2008, 07:34:27 AM
thanks supermubble for the diagram. I have seen you also at the energetic forum huckmubb. :)

so its a bifillar coil. How to connect if it just a single coil? can you draw onother diagram please. thanks.
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: pese on November 05, 2008, 08:00:58 AM
thanks supermubble for the diagram. I have seen you also at the energetic forum huckmubb. :)

so its a bifillar coil. How to connect if it just a single coil? can you draw onother diagram please. thanks.
ich habe niemals und nirgend eine Schaltung gesehen, bei der die Ladespannung über 13 volt gekommen ist !.
Ein 12 Volt Batterie muss mit 14,2-14,4 volt geladen sein , nur dann ist eine Batterie  ( nahezu ) 100% geladen.
Pese
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I have never and nowhere seen a (BEDINI) circuit in which over 13 volt charging has come!.
A 12-volt battery with 14,2-14,4 volt must be loaded only than a battery is (almost) 100% loaded.
Pese
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: pese on November 05, 2008, 08:19:20 AM
Hi!

Pardon my ignorance, but I dont understand the extra coil on the trigger circuit.

Jesus


In this design , shown that is only "forget" an connection ...
But to trimm the base current of transistor with an 25 ohm an an additional
 5 K-ohm trimm-pot is serie is "very unusual" (expressly "nonsens"
Pese
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: identity on November 05, 2008, 10:43:24 AM
mine using a bedini fan 24 volts with a flyback connected in parallel with power coil. It goes into self oscillation, my input voltage is 12 volts and my charging volts is reaching 110volts dc and 90 - 130ma output. Using the same set up but with an ignition coil instead of the flyback, my output is only 20volts dc and 200-500ma output. With only the bedini fan, im getting only 5volts and 60-75ma output. :)
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 01:51:13 PM
Hi!

Thank you pese!

@identity
Quote
mine using a bedini fan 24 volts with a flyback connected in parallel with power coil. It goes into self oscillation, my input voltage is 12 volts and my charging volts is reaching 110volts dc and 90 - 130ma output. Using the same set up but with an ignition coil instead of the flyback, my output is only 20volts dc and 200-500ma output. With only the bedini fan, im getting only 5volts and 60-75ma output.

Do you have the drawing of that?

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: innovation_station on November 05, 2008, 03:32:28 PM
i have found by useing a POLIRIZED COIL  i can use an external magnet to rev it up :)

also my output is close to 200vdc  that is what charges my battery

also with the polorized coil results are much better

i have the exact same setup with out polorized coils out put is around 90 -120v   i droped the pots... as i aint spinning anything.. so no need to ballance it


ist

my curcuit is not the same a bedini .... close but not the same

Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 04:25:15 PM
Hi!

@innovation
If it is not a too complicated circuit, can you show it?

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: identity on November 05, 2008, 04:38:55 PM
a bedini diagram for the ignition coil or the flyback mods.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/3004856601_15a621983a.jpg?v=0)

a multi coil diagram.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3210/3004856607_2f46807dfc.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: supermuble on November 05, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
Identity, could you post your circuit. Just draw it up with Microsoft Paint?

I am interested to see what you did with the ignition coil. Right at the moment, I am experimenting with putting my auxilary coil in series with the drive coil. After lots of testing, I was not able to charge my batteries using an auxiliary inductor coil on the negative battery terminal.

Stanley Meyer, the guy who designed the hydrogen Voltage Intensifier Circuit (VIC), he said that you can step up voltage by placing inductors in series. I think our Bedini motor is similar. The more coils you add in series with the main coil, the larger the back EMF voltage spikes, provided you hook up each coil the same way, with the same diode in the same location.



Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 05:00:37 PM
Hi!

Long time ago I did this fan charger. The second graphic is the original from imhotep's instructions, the first graphic is a mixed circuit with a self running bedini motor. It just worked once. Worked about 24 hours and it was charging its own batteries. I was so happy that I changed the charged batteries for other that were not charged and the thing quitted to work anymore till today. Any Ideas?

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 05, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
Hi!

@pese
Quote
hello,
than is a little bit difficult to understend...
o will explain a little bit

this way of current loop mus be closes.
if he think to take bifilar coil
( i think , if, than an pankake coil , , in way og befilar an bifiolar as to wires.
(1. will be o inputs at aotside. the to wire insided connecte together. othes , you will try . one side outsid use an input. zhe inner wire of sam ire connecte to the second wire at otside, and use the inner side (of coil) from this 2. wire as 2. pole for input.

Try this, the rest of circuit is near equivalent to all othe desings thas was shorn
and i loced now over 6 years.

possibly ((but i dont strong belive) can it be possibel to find with teslas pancake coil
other results - because nobody have try this... (some in the inductance will not refer an be compatibel with other zylindical coils.

good look
Gustav Pese

I quite do not understand your written words, but this guy made a post  here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5921.msg136069#msg136069
and his own words maybe can answer your question.

Jesus
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: identity on November 06, 2008, 07:04:59 AM
supermuble, diagram i post is the same schematic i use for my bedini fan ignition coil, to make it simple. just connect the positive terminal of the ignition coil to the + termininal of the source or primary battery, and connect the negative of the ignition coil to the collector. You will notice in the diagram that the ignition coil is connected  parallel with the power coil. Hope this help. ;)
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: innovation_station on November 06, 2008, 02:54:14 PM
i have not tryed this style set up ... yet

however i got a new one  ;) ;D

ever use this curcuit on a tv flyback tranny?   then put 6 in a circle....  and rotate it through sequencial pluseing ...  hummm  30000v from a 9v any one??    x6   sounds like some sierous free cake ... ;)

ist
Title: Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 06, 2008, 04:08:50 PM
Hi!

@identity

That circuit you posted is great! And with your explanation of where to connect the ignition coil, a light turned on inside my mind.

@innovation
You have talked about several circuits, but you have shown none.  Is it that what you are talking about is a kit you sell?
Quote
however i got a new one   

ever use this curcuit on a tv flyback tranny?   then put 6 in a circle....  and rotate it through sequencial pluseing ...  hummm  30000v from a 9v any one??    x6   sounds like some sierous free cake ...

Jesus