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Author Topic: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!  (Read 32379 times)

Offline supermuble

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Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« on: November 03, 2008, 02:43:07 AM »
I just recently built a Bedini motor for the first time. I am posting this message to make friends  ;D so I can learn and get feedback on the things I've learned ???. Yesterday I accidentally stumbled across a new way to boost the performance of the Bedini Simplified School girl (SSG). Go easy on me, I am not an expert, and I could be confused!  :D

I used the SSG circuit with the bare essentials and nothing else. I used a piece of wood with 16 magnets. 24 gauge/27 gauge power and trigger on a spool with about 450 turns.

I found that by placing an inductor with an "air" core (no iron, etc) with 90 feet of 26 gauge wire on a 3/4" spool in between my charging battery and my primary battery, my voltage spikes are doubled. I found that by using a Bifilar coil and by running the negative of the primary battery through one of the inductor wires, I increase voltage yet again by 200 volts per spike. By using a 2nd inductor wired in series with the first, I can get another 200 volts. Anyway, I am currently running with 700 volt spikes with all the wires hooked up to the batteries (closed circuit). If I remove the additional inductors I see only a 5 or 10 volt spike on the oscilloscope. I have also verified power by simply grabbing onto the wires. As it sits, I cannot grab the wires, they are painful. With the original configuration, I was able to get a very mild shock and could even wet my hands and only a receive a mildly stinging shock. But now, the voltage is high enough between terminals that it hurts to touch it! Since I have no capacitors, I'm not overly concerned about getting electrocuted!  :D

I included some screen shots of the oscilloscope with the motor running and with the charge wires hooked up to the batteries. Notice I am at about 700 - 800 volts in spikes. It got me wondering just what the limit is for the voltage multiplication. By adding more bifilar inductors I should be able to double the voltage with each additional inductor coil (added on the negative side) of the primary battery. Note that if you want to try this, just make sure to get the polarity right, otherwise it appears to cause a severely restrictive resonance that drains power. The negative of the primary battery and the negative of the charge battery both go into the same side of the bifilar inductor as shown in the picture. I've noticed no difference between going from the south or the north pole on the inductor. I have found reduced power output by using an iron core.

I am running 20 ohms of resistance on the transistor and I do not have an adjustable pot. If I run 40 ohms, it is not enough to keep the wheel moving. 

In the last two hours I went from 21.49 volts total to 23.00 volts total (measured in series between 2 12 volt batteries). The charging battery went from 9.67, over to 11:42 volts in a 2 hour period, while the primary battery went from 11.83 to 11.59. I have NEVER seen my batteries do this until I added the two inductors between the charge and primary battery. It appears that I have increased the efficiency of my original SSG by a large margin. Surprisingly, the 2nd charge battery has been getting better and better, even though it is filled up with 80% or more pure tap water, the battery was so dry you couldn't even see liquid inside of it.  It goes dead much faster than the primary battery, but even still, I can swap both batteries and maintain a constant increase in voltage! It seems to be responding better and better and now it is taking a pretty good charge.

So have I found a new way to improve the SSG or am I just wasting time?

(http://www.h2ofuelkits.com/personal/scope_w_two_inductors.jpg)(http://www.h2ofuelkits.com/personal/scope_w_two_inductors2.jpg)
(http://www.h2ofuelkits.com/personal/Bedini_motor_inductor.jpg)
« Last Edit: November 03, 2008, 03:28:04 AM by supermuble »

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Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 03:42:00 AM »
Hi!

That is like this photo shows. Maybe a little different. Its called the Everett variant.
This guy used the bare coils.
Do you have the connection schematic of yours?

Jesus

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 03:51:48 AM »
Very cool and very interesting. My buddy did something similar to this using one of my ignition coils. He finds all sorts of strange results. My guess is the extra coil is adding to the turns of the secondary or output side of the circuit. In short, turning your 1:1 coil into a 1:3 step-up transformer type deal. Have you seen IMHOTEP's Radiant oscillator thingy? I think that might work on this same principle. I'm not 100% sure about that though.

Great work!

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 03:55:43 AM »
Hi!

That is not my work.
I found it long time ago on the bedini group at yahoo.

Jesus

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 08:07:42 PM »
Hi!

My question is how do I connect the coils to the rest of the circuit?

Jesus


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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 08:09:01 AM »
Tonight I had 1500 volt spikes by adding another inductor in series. As if by magic, my meter registered 130 volts DC (NOT AC)!!
How in the world did I manage to create 130 volts continuous (1500 volt spikes) by merely adding a single extra inductor? See attached pics!

Now if I could just learn a little more so I can apply some of these concepts better.

I have not had enough running time to confirm that my setup can make a repeat performance like it did when I first saw the drastic charging effects. To hook it up, you hook up the NEG from the primary battery and the NEG from the charge battery to one side of the inductor. The negative terminal from 1st and 2nd batteries go on the same side of the coil. Now you should have an extra ground wire coming from your SG circuit that is not attached to anything, hook this up to the opposite side of the coil, to the opposite wire from the NEG of the primary battery. Now you have one wire left on the bifilar coil, this goes to the positive terminal on the main running battery.

You are linking the two batteries together through the inductor, and then you are linking the ground wire from the primary battery to the SG circuit through the same inductor on the same core. The funny thing is, this is the same concept Stan Meyer used for his VIC (voltage intensifier circuit) to make hydrogen from water. He used a variation of a simple bifilar coil. When power went into it, it would stop the flow of amperage by the bifilar coil having a canceling effect. The power would build up in the water capacitor because it couldn't come back into the magnetized inductor coil and then the water molecules would break down from electrical stress. This seems to be something similar to the situation I've created with my Bedini batteries.
Whether it is the type we want for charging, that is yet to be fully determined.

It should look like the picture above.

BTW, Don't get shocked. :o 1500 volts turns out to be somewhat painful  :D


I'll work on a schematic tomorrow :)

« Last Edit: November 04, 2008, 08:47:23 AM by supermuble »

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 08:41:42 AM »
hi supermuble, nice discovery of the new mods for the ssg. could you please post an schematic of the mods you made, so we can replicate it accurately and easily. Thanks in advance. :)

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 11:23:22 PM »
nice set up ..

i can not see your pics at present tho but it dont matter i know how it works and

i offer this for advice use heavy gage coil  i have too seen 1900vac spikes from a pluse from a 9v  or 12v  awell i have been zaped big time  ;D

it knocked both my arms numb  for over 10 min .....    ;D

i also fired my tpu for the first time only 1 coil it has a cap in it same curcuit tho...  it fired me 477 vdc i have 6 of thease indivigual units in my tpu   my caps are 500vac 13uf  oh yes the fill quick.... lol

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keep up the great work...

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 12:33:08 AM »
Hi!

Is this what you meant by your explanation?
I put the bifilar coil between the two batteries.

Jesus

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 02:34:08 AM »
Hi!

In order to make a good replicatiom of yours, we need to clarify the coil connections first, then how they interconnect with the SG circuit.

Is this the correct connection of the coil?

Jesus

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2008, 03:09:47 AM »
i have not yet done a dwg of my unit altho it is much similar to what has been showen

however my batteries are not wired exactally as showen ...  nor is my coil  i beleave im switching  the neg....  not the pos..  pos  from the primary battery goes to the primary coil ....  then secondary battery is tied to primary battery ...  it is pos from pri and neg from sec  charge goes to pos secondary when wired properly u will get 24 v across both and 12v independent of 1 another.....

i will some time hook this my way and take a pic for you

i also have a full wave  bridge rectifier after the cap to convert it ALL TO dc  if you want higher voltage kicks then lower the selfinductance of the primary and rise the high selfinductance of the trigger...  i will use...... when i make more coils 14ga and 30 there bouts...

i also uped my resistor to a 1k 4 w   it burnt out my 3055  in 10 min ....   but it could be a loose connection ...  im not sure at this time ..

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2008, 03:29:43 AM »
Hi!

I will wait for the drawings offered.

Jesus

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Re: Bedini SSG puts out 800 volts using auxilary inductors!
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2008, 05:02:00 AM »
Here is the diagram drawn correctly.  ;D The previous diagram should be changed since the coil wires are drawn incorrectly (thanks for trying though!) 

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2008, 05:15:40 AM »
Hi!

It seems that none of my guesses were good!
Thank you for the schematic.

Jesus

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2008, 05:26:36 AM »
Hi!

Pardon my ignorance, but I dont understand the extra coil on the trigger circuit.

Jesus

 

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