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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: slayer007 on October 31, 2008, 12:42:52 PM
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This is a new diagram based off my roter less pulse motor.
Its to big to put on this forum so here is a link to the energetic forum where you can find it.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3078-pulse-generator.html
Lidmotor said he would be doing another video I'll keep you posted when its released.
This one is a must try.
About twice the power out of my old setup while using half the input. ;D
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This is a new diagram based off my roter less pulse motor.
Its to big to put on this forum so here is a link to the energetic forum where you can find it.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3078-pulse-generator.html
Lidmotor said he would be doing another video I'll keep you posted when its released.
This one is a must try.
About twice the power out of my old setup while using half the input. ;D
i can log in but can't view picture...
wiz
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This is a new diagram based off my roter less pulse motor.
Its to big to put on this forum so here is a link to the energetic forum where you can find it.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3078-pulse-generator.html
Lidmotor said he would be doing another video I'll keep you posted when its released.
This one is a must try.
About twice the power out of my old setup while using half the input. ;D
Are you loking (or advising) new members for energetic-forum ???
I will not been MEMBER only for LOOKING in Photo !
Stand you picture please HERE in Overunity.com
Gustav Pese
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No I'm sorry I didn't mean to advertise I rescanned my document so here it is. ;D
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To get it started in self osolation you put the reedswitch in front of the coil then put the magnet by the reedswitch.
The magnet gets the reedswitch started then the coil keeps it going.
Adjust the reedswitch and magnets to the speed you want.
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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_TR6eRYr4Rg
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FwuWFIj5xnc
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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_TR6eRYr4Rg
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FwuWFIj5xnc
Thats my old circuit b0rg13.
the new one you get allmost twice the power out of it and it only uses half as much power to run. ;)
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@slayer007,
Attached is cleaned up version of your circuit. I have two questions,
1. Is my cleaned up drawing correct?
2. What input (Voltage*Ampere) and output (Voltage*Ampere) measurements do you have for this circuit?
Regards,
Groundloop.
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@slayer007,
Attached is cleaned up version of your circuit. I have two questions,
1. Is my cleaned up drawing correct?
2. What input (Voltage*Ampere) and output (Voltage*Ampere) measurements do you have for this circuit?
Regards,
Groundloop.
That looks great Groundloop thanks.
But the transistor is 2n3055 other than that it loos GREAT.
!2v in from a 12v battery,The output after 110v nightlight was put on for a load was 130v to 150v Left in the capasitor.
I tried a a big dc motor to check the amp output it was 80 mill amps in even when I tried to stop the motor it stayed around 80 mill amps.
The output was around 60 Mill amps but then when I tried to stop it it went up to 80 mill amps so it was allmost the same.
You have to try this one ;)
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@slayer007,
Sorry about the transistor marking, it was a "typo" error. :-)
(Moderator: Can you please change the modify time to more than one hour?)
Thanks for the feedback. I do not have an car ignition coil here so I can't try a replica.
Your idea of sending the back emf voltage pulse through a coil is smart. I have tried
something similar some time back. I used the same method. I used a transformer
instead of a single coil. The back emf voltage can then be put to work instead of
beeing wasted. Good idea.
Groundloop.
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Here is a good video lidmotor made.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zCE-C-_S_WY
If you totally disconnect the cfl but still use the ignition coil the way it is you'll get a LOT more power.
Nothing in the ignition coil just use it for power.
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Here is a good video lidmotor made.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zCE-C-_S_WY
If you totally disconnect the cfl but still use the ignition coil the way it is you'll get a LOT more power.
Nothing in the ignition coil just use it for power.
very nice.
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@slayer007,
Sorry about the transistor marking, it was a "typo" error. :-)
(Moderator: Can you please change the modify time to more than one hour?)
Thanks for the feedback. I do not have an car ignition coil here so I can't try a replica.
Your idea of sending the back emf voltage pulse through a coil is smart. I have tried
something similar some time back. I used the same method. I used a transformer
instead of a single coil. The back emf voltage can then be put to work instead of
beeing wasted. Good idea.
You could try any coil it dosent have to be an ingition coil,but they do work good.
And you dont have to wind another coil.
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Here is another circuit this way you can still light a 110v night light and still keep 40v in a capasitor.
And it only uses 10 Mill amps or lower.Some times my digital meter went to Zero.
Its only good to 10 mill amps.
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@slayer007,
I see you have removed the ignition coil in your newest circuit.
Also two diodes in series is loss so I used only one in this drawing.
You have made this oscillator under unity by only using the back emf voltage.
If you want to make an over unity oscillator then you must find a way of switching
a huge flux with just a little flux. The attached circuit is a attemt to do just that.
The Neo magnet makes a huge flux in the leftmost core. When a small flux is present
at BOTH cores center then the huge flux is coupled to the right core.
What do you think of this idea?
Groundloop.
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This could be the electronic circuit for the JP2003009558 Keiichiro Asaoka concept.
@wizkycho: DE19737047 Magnetfield-Transistor
magnet( Magnesia)= Iman (? Imam?)
From boy to boi ( non Oz-borned Rindviecher aller Welt,ver-(Lehrstelle)...... ::) )
S
CdL
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@lancaIV,
No, this circuit was designed by me right now.
Besides that, I have no idea what your are talking about. :D
Groundloop.
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I still keep the ignition coil in my circuit.
I just wanted to show how little amp intake this could use and still light a 110v nightlight.
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Hi Groundloop,
I think you have designed a clever circuit and I hope you will have the means to build it. (I think the 470 Ohm base resistor's value is to be increased to the kiloOhm range to reduce transistor collector current.)
Member lancaIV draws you attention to a Japanese inventor Keiichiro Asaoka who made a similar (but not the same) magnetic setup. I attached the first page in PDF file, the only available text in English from his Japanese patent JP2003009558, from the German Depatisnet site
I also attached his patent drawings to have a look at into Asaoka concepts.
I apologize if you or slayer007 find this patent setup off topic, I did not mean to distract your very good activities here but I feel your idea is very interesting and deserve further study. Maybe the setup from the patent helps further ideas emerge.
rgds, Gyula
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Olá-h and h-álo, Groundloop :
Did anybody wrote that these electronic circuit has not been designed by your mind-body ?
I , only :), adapted your circuit concept as "Keiichiro-double-torus-cycle operator"-possibility :-X,
no less and no more ::)!
You can ever, if this has to be :o,sign up your ideas with your personal signum :-* .
" copyrights" by "Groundloop" :P
S
CdL ;D
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@gyulasun,
Thanks for the input. Yes, I have the means to build it if I want to.
The 470 Ohm base resistor is low because I want fast switching. The current
through the transistor is limited to 1 ampere by the 12 Ohm resistor. I do not
want to fry the 1,5 amp regulator.
Groundloop.
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@lancaIV,
OK.
Groundloop.
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@gyulasun,
Thanks for the input. Yes, I have the means to build it if I want to.
The 470 Ohm base resistor is low because I want fast switching. The current
through the transistor is limited to 1 ampere by the 12 Ohm resistor. I do not
want to fry the 1,5 amp regulator.
Groundloop.
Dear Groundloop,
OK, I understand and accept your explanation.
If the patent is correct (and it seems to be, I think) then flux transfer between two adjacent (ferrite or other permeable) cores is going to happen, depending on the distance (air gap) between them. Figure 6 seems to utilize induction from one stage to the other, adding up power induced stage by stage.
Here is a link to the Japanese patent at the EPO: http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A&FT=D&date=20030110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
Keep up your good work.
rgds, Gyula
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Hello Groundloop.
please have a look here :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5950.msg135440;topicseen#msg135440 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5950.msg135440;topicseen#msg135440)
This design does not work, its a waste of time. I recommend the true bypass-controlled MEG described here :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg135309;topicseen#msg135309 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg135309;topicseen#msg135309)
Best Regards
Kator
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@gyulasun,
Thanks for the patent link.
Groundloop.
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@Kator01,
I have already built and tested 3 different MEGs. The newest version was form
the MEG patent. I did NOT get any o/u out of my replicas. I have more trust in
my circuit because it has some support in real life tests I have done.
Groundloop.
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Hi Groundloop,
yea, good idea to only follow the beat of your own drums. The reason why I gave the links above is simply to help you not to spend another tedious effort. Your design has exactly the same flaw as in the mentioned patent, that is :
the Flux-field generated by your controll-coil is directed backwards to - but still along the flux-lines caused by the permanent-magnet.
So to say it feeds in parallel to the H-Field-Lines. Therefore it is not possible to switch the flux. With this design you simply compensate part of the permanent caused magnet-flux.
I strongly suggest to wait a little until getca has some new results. They are ahead in time.
Best Regards
Kator
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@Kator01,
Tests I have done with two cores has shown me that it is possible to switch a
oscillating signal on and off by shorting the center coil. I have not tested it on a
non oscillating flux, though. I'm not sure you are correct in saying that I can not
switch a flux created by a magnet with my circuit. I think I will spend some tedious
effort to test this anyway. ;D
Groundloop.
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Hi Groundloop,
can we agree on this : Your design creates a magnetic flux by coil L2 counteracting the magnetic-flux-lines of the permanent magnet. Your Idea is then that the mag-flux of permanent magnet is switched to the output-coil-path. is that so ?
Now I like to give you an analogon :
1)
You run along a pathway and aproach a crossing. In the midst of the crossing I suddenly show up at the scene and will run towards you ( still along your path but in a bucking mode) so that we both crash face to face exactly at the crossing. Will you or me move perpendicular ( sideways ) and run into one of the crossing pathway ?
2) Same setup - but this time I show up running along from one side of the crossing and when you reach the crossing I will hit you from a 90 degree angle. Where will we both go ?
So this is what I mean. In the first setup we both loose energy according to our velocity/mass - ratio. The one who has more energy will overrun the other but will have reduced energy and will not change his direction of movement.
In the second setup we both will enter the crossing opposite to where I was coming from. I am blocking you way but will push you into the sideway-crossing.
This is the reason why I strongly believe that only this new MEG-Design will work.
Regards
Kator
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@Kator01,
My research shows me that two cores next to each other with a small air gap in between
will not interact until you short a coil over both the cores. This is true for a oscillating input
on the left side. So if you put just one coil at each side and one in the middle, and oscillate
the left core, then you get nothing out in the right core until you SHORT the middle coil.
This is true for a oscillating flux, I have tested it to work.
Now we take away the left coil and put in a fixed flux. What will happen if we oscillate the
middle coil? Will there be a coupling of the left flux to the right core? You say no, I say
yes, so I will go ahead and try it anyway. The worst case scenario is that it will not work.
If it works, then I have proved that one can couple a fixed flux at will.
You can post all "analogon" you want, I will not back off. I will build this circuit and i will test it. :D
Regards,
Groundloop.
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Here is a video showing the amp intake and voltage on the compasitor after load.
The load was from 110v nightlight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4wFqJG_q5c
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Lidmotor made a video showing the generator running with a adjustable voltage regulator.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KwqMDBrF9wM
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Hi slayer007,
I would like to know if there is any voltage at the secondary-high-voltage-coil of your ignition-coil ?
If there is no significant output-voltage then a test would be to remove the diode between collector and L1 and find out if there is a difference in the output to your cap ( charging-time, voltage reached )
I may be wrong but it seems to me that his diode does not make any sense as the negative kickback-emf from L2 takes the shortest path to diode which leads to the negative lead of the cap at the bridge as this is the low - impedance path while L1 means high impedance. I do not think that there is any current flowing through L1.
Regards
Kator
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Hi slayer007,
I would like to know if there is any voltage at the secondary-high-voltage-coil of your ignition-coil ?
If there is no significant output-voltage then a test would be to remove the diode between collector and L1 and find out if there is a difference in the output to your cap ( charging-time, voltage reached )
I may be wrong but it seems to me that his diode does not make any sense as the negative kickback-emf from L2 takes the shortest path to diode which leads to the negative lead of the cap at the bridge as this is the low - impedance path while L1 means high impedance. I do not think that there is any current flowing through L1.
Regards
Kator
yes there is significant output voltage at the ignition coil.
If you remove the diode from the collector you get more voltage to the ignition coil.
And you'll get more voltage to but it will cost more amp input.
This way I was using the back emf from the first coil to go thru the second.
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Hey slayer007,
now the diode leads the back-current in a circle ( it seems ) through L2 again thus recycling that part of the energy via L3 directly to the bridge - so you could do without the ignistion-coil. This must give you more power back to the bridge. I think the power is divided up in L1 and L2. if you draw on the seconday of the ignition-coil you will loose more at the expense of L2-L3 to the bridge.
Have you compared exactly the power ( not the amperage ) of these two types of circuit ( with and without ignition-coil ) ?
Another point here is : the more diodes you use the more heat-dissipation you will get. Even if on uses very fast-switching flyback-diodes like UF 5408 you will have 3 volt forward-current voltage-drop which means heat-losses.Use ony the least necessary amount of diodes.
Regards
Kator01
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Here's a video using a different coil setup.
It uses more power but it puts out a lot.
The circuits basically the same.
But I have a transistor running one side and the other transistors running the other side.
Then there both hooked up to the same reedswitch.
The the third coil on the outside is going to a rectifier.
In the video the amps going out are only from the third coil.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FTXCV0BGxZg
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Here's a video using a different coil setup.
It uses more power but it puts out a lot.
The circuits basically the same.
But I have a transistor running one side and the other transistors running the other side.
Then there both hooked up to the same reedswitch.
The the third coil on the outside is going to a rectifier.
In the video the amps going out are only from the third coil.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FTXCV0BGxZg
@Slayer007
Thanks for sharing
Very impressing work
helmut
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@All,
I have built a version of the magnetic flux switcher. No time to test it yet, but the oscillator
runs and the flux is "fluxing". ;D
I have added one more small coil. This coils gets the back emf voltage from the switch coil.
The idea was to disturb the permanent magnetic flux in the left core loop. I will test this circuit
much more and will be back with results later. Small steps.....
Groundloop.
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Hi Groundloop
Good work and very nice sketch.
Cant wait your results.
helmut
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Very Nice Groundloop
Please let us know how your results go.
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@slayer007, Helmut,
I did some testing today and found that my output coil is not big enough.
I got only 3,4 Volt output when the input was 9 Volt. The output must
be at least 15 Volt, so I have to make the L3 coil approx. 4 times as big.
More work and testing is needed......
Groundloop.
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@All,
Did a lot of testing today. First I tested how much energy there was available on the back emf voltage output.
When I ran the unit at 20 V and 2 A then I got approx. 20 Watt out of the diode. Later I made a new coil L4.
With 100 turns I got some modulating of the magnet field and the output did get up to the double. Still, the
output was WAY to low to be of any value. So I can say that it IS possible to switch a dynamic flux field
with this setup, but you can NOT switch a static flux field without big losses. End of story.
But it was a very nice drawing, was it not? :-)
Groundloop.
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@All,
Did a lot of testing today. First I tested how much energy there was available on the back emf voltage output.
When I ran the unit at 20 V and 2 A then I got approx. 20 Watt out of the diode. Later I made a new coil L4.
With 100 turns I got some modulating of the magnet field and the output did get up to the double. Still, the
output was WAY to low to be of any value. So I can say that it IS possible to switch a dynamic flux field
with this setup, but you can NOT switch a static flux field without big losses. End of story.
But it was a very nice drawing, was it not? :-)
Groundloop.
Hi Groundloop,
Thank you for sharing your measurements.
Would like to ask when you say I tested how much energy there was available on the back emf voltage output then you meant the output from L4, right? If yes, then how much power came via the diode bridge (i.e. from L3) at the same time?
Also I wonder how strongly the input power draw reacted the load placed across the diode bridge output? ( I mean if you loaded the output twice as heavy then the input draw also doubled more or less.)
May I suggest the following (if you agree): Try to shunt out the flux of the embedded permanent magnet from the core by placing one or more similar magnets (either with the same length or slightly longer than the embedded one) in parallel with and very close to the embedded magnet in attract mode, this way you could regulate the amount of the flux of the embedded magnet, which normally closing through the core. And see how the total output depends on the static flux's strength (i.e. introducing weak, moderate and strong permanent static field into the core).
Regards, Gyula
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@gyulasun,
No, the bemf voltage output was measured at the BY255 on the collector of the transistor and to the plus rail.
(L4 is a input coil. I use the back emf energy to drive the L4 coil so we get a pulsating magnetic field in the fixed magnetic field.)
I got very little power from the output coil L3 because I made that coil too small. I must make a new better coil for L3.
I DID noticed that when I shorted the L3 coil when the unit was running, then I did NOT get and increase in input power usage.
I will try out your test this afternoon. Will be back.............
Groundloop.
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i can log in but can't view picture...
wiz
Yes. I have endless trouble with energeticforum. I reckon they are a waste of space.
Paul
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@gyulasun,
No, the bemf voltage output was measured at the BY255 on the collector of the transistor and to the plus rail.
(L4 is a input coil. I use the back emf energy to drive the L4 coil so we get a pulsating magnetic field in the fixed magnetic field.)
Hi Groundloop,
Ok, I overlooked a little the role of L4 and now I understand it is a load and not a source for the flyback pulse.
I DID noticed that when I shorted the L3 coil when the unit was running, then I did NOT get and increase in input power usage.
This is good news but will be more significantly good news if you still do not get any increase in input power consumption when you manage to increase the number of turns for L3.
Thanks!
rgds, Gyula
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@gyulasun,
No time today to make a new coil. I have been working on a new FW for the switch controller with 6 outputs.
Will test the "Young" theory first. See : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.160;topicseen
Maybe more time tomorrow............
Regards,
Groundloop.
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Ok, thank you. Just take it easy.
Best Regards
Gyula
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I uploaded a video showing how you can increase the voltage of your BEMF.
If you have a coil with more than one winding you just run your BEMF back thru your coil.
Going back in the positive then coming back out the negative.
My BEMF went from about 16v to 150v.
I have not compaired the amp differant yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW3Bz2tdmAY
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I just uploaded another video showing the current and voltage after load.
For the load I just used a 110v night light.
The BEMF right off the transistor took about 10 mill amps for the light.
After going back thru the coil it was 20 mill amps.
And the voltage left on the light was twice as much.
This was done without taking in any more power to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk5oltWxuoA
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Hi Slayer007,
Thanks for showing the tests but unfortunately I did not thoroughly follow your tests and would like to know some details on your circuit.
Do you use bifilar (or maybe trifilar) coils with ferromagnetic cores? Or you use the same single coil again for running the back emf current through it again? How do wire the more than one windings?
Maybe a schematics as a Santa present for us? ;) :D
Thanks for sharing!
Regards, Gyula
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Hi Slayer007,
Thanks for showing the tests but unfortunately I did not thoroughly follow your tests and would like to know some details on your circuit.
Do you use bifilar (or maybe trifilar) coils with ferromagnetic cores? Or you use the same single coil again for running the back emf current through it again? How do wire the more than one windings?
Maybe a schematics as a Santa present for us? ;) :D
Thanks for sharing!
Regards, Gyula
Hello gyulasun
yes it is a trifilar coil.
I have a 23 ga. and a 21ga wound the same about 800 turns then theres a 23 ga. wound on the outside of them only about 250 turns I'm not using that one right now or at least in the video.
The BEMF I'm running back thru my second winding in the positive and back out thru negative.
This way its making way more power and allso more apms and is not using any more power to do it.
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Hello and many thanks, will figure out how to do it.
Just facing an electromagnet problem to regain inputted energy, the more the better.
Keep up good work!
rgds, Gyula
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hi slayer 007
i am trying to make a radiant battery charger with your diagram attached below.
in my experiment i am only using a 200 turns of 22 gauge wires (2 wires) bifilar coil and the capacitor. i am not using the ignition coil.
now the problem is that i am unable to make out how and where to connect the four ends of bifilar coil. can u post a diagram on which wire is to be joined to the transistor, which to the battery & which wires goes to the rectifier. ??? ??? ??? and do we connect anything to the – ve (negative) of the main battery(since there is nothing attached to it in your diagram)
???
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Hi jas_bir77
The circuit you posted is not the latest that Slayer007 has posted on YouTube, the latest one uses 2 transistors ;)
Here is the link to the circuit http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/1667d1228948315-pulse-generator-slayer007-pulse-generator-bemf.jpg
He also added a correction to the resistor value in the circuit:
In my circuit it says 100 ohm sorry but its wrong.
The one I'm using is brown black red If I'm right it should be 1000 Ohms or 1 KiloOhms.
@ Slayer007 Great work! Keep picking at it ;D
Regards,
Paul
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Hello jas_bir77
This is the latest circuit I have been working on.
This one you take your BEMF comming from your collector thru a diode then back thru your second coil winding.
Some how it amplifies the voltage.
In my diagram I'm showing I have the charge battery negative going back to the source battery negative.
But you can allso run it to the positive of your source battery allso.
@Goat
Thank you
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@ All
Sorry about the drawing I dont know why it came out so big. ::)
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@slayer007
I took the photo and centered it with paint and resized it with irfanview and here it is:
Dimensions now are 620 x 558 x 24 bpp
Jesus
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@slayer007
I took the photo and centered it with paint and resized it with irfanview and here it is:
Dimensions now are 620 x 558 x 24 bpp
Jesus
@Nievesoliveras
Thank you.
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Hello jas_bir77
This is the latest circuit I have been working on.
This one you take your BEMF comming from your collector thru a diode then back thru your second coil winding.
Some how it amplifies the voltage.
In my diagram I'm showing I have the charge battery negative going back to the source battery negative.
But you can allso run it to the positive of your source battery allso.
@Goat
Thank you
:-* :-* ;)y i tried your new circuit and its working .grate ;D ;D. but i am facing a new problem i.e. my reed switch which i have kept parallel to my coil after 3- 5 min it stops vibrating (i have also soldered another reed switch perpendicular to my 1 st one as you had said earlier size of my reed switch is 20 mm by 4 mm) after it stops i wait for 5-7 min nothing happens ,so i take away my magnets and i again bring back the magnets to the same position where i had placed earlier , now again my reed switches starts to vibrate and keeps on vibrating for another5 min or so. ???
Another thing i wanted to ask was that to increase the charging rate can i place an ignition coil in your new circuit from the collector in your circuit i had mentioned in my earlier post or should i add the ignition coil from the collector in your 2 transistor design . ???
also i wanted to know what all i can do to extra to increase my charging rate(i should increase my winding on my bifilar or i should increase the no of wires or the gauge of wire ). ??? ???
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:-* :-* ;)y i tried your new circuit and its working .grate ;D ;D. but i am facing a new problem i.e. my reed switch which i have kept parallel to my coil after 3- 5 min it stops vibrating (i have also soldered another reed switch perpendicular to my 1 st one as you had said earlier size of my reed switch is 20 mm by 4 mm) after it stops i wait for 5-7 min nothing happens ,so i take away my magnets and i again bring back the magnets to the same position where i had placed earlier , now again my reed switches starts to vibrate and keeps on vibrating for another5 min or so. ???
Another thing i wanted to ask was that to increase the charging rate can i place an ignition coil in your new circuit from the collector in your circuit i had mentioned in my earlier post or should i add the ignition coil from the collector in your 2 transistor design . ???
also i wanted to know what all i can do to extra to increase my charging rate(i should increase my winding on my bifilar or i should increase the no of wires or the gauge of wire ). ??? ???
Hello jas_bir77
Did you try moving your reedswitch to in front of your coil?
With mine I have it in front of my coil.
It could allso be that your trigger magnet is eather to small and not keeping the reed contacts togeather.
Or It could allso be to strong and not allowing the contacts to open.
Try to move it around a little more.
You could allso try two reedswitches in parallel.
The reeds I'm using are 3 Amp reedswitches and they are about 4 inches long.
As for the coil yes you can add more coils And it will add to your BEMF but it will allso take more power.
Just add coil - to the collector and then the + to the +of your source battery.