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lancaIV

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Re: Pulse Generator
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM »
This could be the electronic circuit for the JP2003009558 Keiichiro Asaoka concept.
@wizkycho: DE19737047 Magnetfield-Transistor

magnet( Magnesia)= Iman (? Imam?)

From boy to boi  ( non Oz-borned Rindviecher aller Welt,ver-(Lehrstelle)...... ::) )

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Groundloop

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008, 02:58:12 PM »
@lancaIV,

No, this circuit was designed by me right now.
Besides that, I have no idea what your are talking about.  :D

Groundloop.

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Re: Pulse Generator
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2008, 03:52:13 PM »
I still keep the ignition coil in my circuit.
I just wanted to show how little amp intake this could use and still light a 110v nightlight.

gyulasun

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2008, 05:12:36 PM »
Hi Groundloop,

I think you have designed a clever circuit and I hope you will have the means to build it.  (I think the 470 Ohm base resistor's value is to be increased to the kiloOhm range to reduce transistor collector current.)

Member lancaIV draws you attention to a Japanese inventor Keiichiro Asaoka who made a similar (but not the same) magnetic setup. I attached the first page in PDF file, the only available text in English from his Japanese patent JP2003009558, from the German Depatisnet site

I also attached his patent drawings to have a look at into Asaoka concepts.

I apologize if you or slayer007 find this patent setup off topic, I did not mean to distract your very good activities here but I feel your idea is very interesting and deserve further study. Maybe the setup from the patent helps further ideas emerge.

rgds,  Gyula

lancaIV

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2008, 05:14:57 PM »
Olá-h and h-álo, Groundloop :

Did anybody wrote that these electronic circuit has not been designed by your mind-body ?
I , only  :), adapted your circuit concept as "Keiichiro-double-torus-cycle operator"-possibility  :-X,
no less and no more  ::)!
You can ever, if this has to be  :o,sign up your ideas with your personal signum  :-* .
                     " copyrights" by "Groundloop" :P

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Groundloop

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2008, 05:32:01 PM »
@gyulasun,

Thanks for the input. Yes, I have the means to build it if I want to.

The 470 Ohm base resistor is low because I want fast switching. The current
through the transistor is limited to 1 ampere by the 12 Ohm resistor. I do not
want to fry the 1,5 amp regulator.

Groundloop.

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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2008, 05:33:57 PM »
@lancaIV,

OK.

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gyulasun

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2008, 06:00:57 PM »
@gyulasun,

Thanks for the input. Yes, I have the means to build it if I want to.

The 470 Ohm base resistor is low because I want fast switching. The current
through the transistor is limited to 1 ampere by the 12 Ohm resistor. I do not
want to fry the 1,5 amp regulator.

Groundloop.

Dear Groundloop,

OK, I understand and accept your explanation.

If the patent is correct (and it seems to be, I think) then flux transfer between two adjacent (ferrite or other permeable) cores is going to happen, depending on the distance (air gap) between them. Figure 6 seems to utilize induction from one stage to the other, adding up power induced stage by stage.
Here is a link to the Japanese patent at the EPO: http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A&FT=D&date=20030110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP 

Keep up your good work.
rgds, Gyula

Kator01

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Re: Pulse Generator
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2008, 06:06:13 PM »
Hello Groundloop.

please have a look here :

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5950.msg135440;topicseen#msg135440

This design does not work, its a waste of time. I recommend the true bypass-controlled MEG described here :

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg135309;topicseen#msg135309

Best Regards

Kator




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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2008, 06:19:44 PM »
@gyulasun,

Thanks for the patent link.

Groundloop.

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2008, 06:28:55 PM »
@Kator01,

I have already built and tested 3 different MEGs. The newest version was form
the MEG patent. I did NOT get any o/u out of my replicas. I have more trust in
my circuit because it has some support in real life tests I have done.

Groundloop.

Kator01

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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2008, 07:30:14 PM »
Hi Groundloop,

yea, good idea to only follow the beat of your own drums. The reason why I gave the links above is simply to help you not to spend another tedious effort. Your design has exactly the same flaw as in the mentioned patent, that is :

the Flux-field generated by your controll-coil is directed backwards to - but still along the flux-lines caused by the permanent-magnet.
So to say it feeds in parallel to the H-Field-Lines. Therefore it is not possible to switch the flux. With this design you simply compensate part of the permanent caused magnet-flux.

I strongly suggest to wait a little until getca has some new results. They are ahead in time.


Best Regards

Kator



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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2008, 07:39:15 PM »
@Kator01,

Tests I have done with two cores has shown me that it is possible to switch a
oscillating signal on and off by shorting the center coil. I have not tested it on a
non oscillating flux, though. I'm not sure you are correct in saying that I can not
switch a flux created by a magnet with my circuit. I think I will spend some tedious
effort to test this anyway.  ;D

Groundloop.

Kator01

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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2008, 08:09:56 PM »
Hi Groundloop,

can we agree on this : Your design creates a magnetic flux by coil L2 counteracting the magnetic-flux-lines of the permanent magnet. Your Idea is then that the mag-flux of permanent magnet is switched to the output-coil-path. is that so ?

Now I like to give you an analogon :

1)
You run along a pathway and aproach a crossing. In the midst of the crossing I suddenly show up at the scene and will run towards you ( still along your path but in a bucking mode) so that we both crash face to face exactly at the crossing. Will you or me move perpendicular ( sideways ) and run into one of  the crossing pathway ?

2) Same setup - but this time I show up running along from one side of the crossing and when you reach the crossing I will hit you from a 90 degree angle. Where will we both go ?

So this is what I mean. In the first setup we both loose energy according to our velocity/mass - ratio. The one who has more energy will overrun the other but will have reduced energy and will not change his direction of movement.

In the second setup we both will enter the crossing opposite to where I was coming from. I am blocking you way but will push you into the sideway-crossing.

This is the reason why I strongly believe that only this new MEG-Design will work.

Regards

Kator





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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2008, 08:31:51 PM »
@Kator01,

My research shows me that two cores next to each other with a small air gap in between
will not interact until you short a coil over both the cores. This is true for a oscillating input
on the left side. So if you put just one coil at each side and one in the middle, and oscillate
the left core, then you get nothing out in the right core until you SHORT the middle coil.
This is true for a oscillating flux, I have tested it to work.

Now we take away the left coil and put in a fixed flux. What will happen if we oscillate the
middle coil? Will there be a coupling of the left flux to the right core? You say no, I say
yes, so I will go ahead and try it anyway. The worst case scenario is that it will not work.
If it works, then I have proved that one can couple a fixed flux at will.

You can post all "analogon" you want, I will not back off. I will build this circuit and i will test it.  :D

Regards,
Groundloop.