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atomicX

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Story of Adam and Eve
« on: October 29, 2008, 02:03:35 PM »
Okay,

I found this part of the story a little bit backward in logic, so feel free to share your opinion.

The snake (evil) convince Adam and Eve to eat the apple (knowledge).   What the story said is they should not eat the apple. 

1/ my argument:   Knowledge is wisdom, it does you more good than harm. 

2/ back argument:   Knowledge allow one to know both good and evil, there for evil can be created.

I say what's the point of free will if you have no knowledge.  That means you're just sheeps waiting to be feed on time.  The story implies that Adam and Eve should just be ignorance.  To me, the story have been twisted.  The snake should be God, and God in the story should be the snake. 

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 03:41:04 PM »
The problem you are running into is not properly identifying the elements involved.

The serpent was subtle implying deception.

The knowledge included the knowledge of  evil.

Eve accepted the direct contradiction to the truth that God had revealed to them.  This is the first lie recorded in the Bible.

Here they are contrasted:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

There is only one truth.

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 05:32:49 PM »
What happens afterward is also of importance:

God goes on to ask Adam what he did, and he blames Eve AND God, instead of himself. God then asks Eve what she did, and she blames the serpent, instead of herself. (They both passed the blame onto someone or something else instead of owning up to it).

3:9 Yahweh God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
3:10 The man said, “I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
3:11 God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
3:13 Yahweh God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”


 ::) Just my two cents

atomicX

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 06:13:12 PM »
my point is without the knowledge of good and  evil, what are Adam and Eve?

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 08:05:53 PM »
from http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/som31.htm

THE GARDEN OF EDEN

The Garden of Eden typifies man's original state of perfection before he began to have experience. The Tree of Knowledge means the Life Principle which can be used both ways. It bore the fruit of the knowledge of both kinds of experience, good and evil, freedom and limitation. Man must choose which kind of fruit he will eat. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."  Man makes his choice consciously but generally in ignorance. The serpent typifies the Life Principle viewed from the materialistic viewpoint; it casts man from his perfect state through his belief in duality and separation. Man chose to depart from Good, and man alone must choose to return to It. God lets him alone; for he is a free agent and may do as he wills with himself. When man decides to return to his Father's House, he will find that his Father is still there. "Act as though I am and I will be." "Onlook the Deity and the Deity will onlook thee." "Be firm and ye shall be made firm." "As though hast believed so be it done unto thee."  "Ask and it shall be given unto you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you."  God's Creation is Perfect and we must wake to the fact and know that we are now in the Kingdom of Heaven.


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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 08:22:25 PM »

There is much wisdom to be found here:


http://www.hisremnant.org/eby/articles/kingdom/twohands/twohandsof.html


Mr. Eby was blessed to undestand the truth of why God allows evil for a time....and many more truths as well!


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,


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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 08:25:02 PM »
Bible,biblia,biblioteca :
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NT,AT: in original in anglo-saxonic language written ? I think, NO !

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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2008, 09:55:58 PM »

What if the serpent was actually a "guy" named Steve..and the bible was just cryptically reporting the first 'menage a trois' ?

Regards...


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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2008, 10:03:05 PM »
I am sorry but i don't understand what  lancaIV is talking about, not so quick on the uptake i guess.....

anyways, here's a funny way to look at things

Knowledge is power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
therefore absolute knowledge corrupts

what I'm trying to say is the more you know, the more it is that the things you know can be used for evil, to know everything would be to know both good and bad of what is ultimately possible.

I think people in general can never handle the power that comes through knowledge, a person maybe, but everyone is not the same.
We are killing ourselves off with our knowledge of the world right now....pollution, nukes, genetics, and better ways to kill each other off
knowledge of these things is not evil, it depends on the person or persons who knows of them.
This is what i think the bible is saying.
to Know is to seek death and life at the same time, dark and light, good and evil,
we are cursed with the lust of power and knowledge, no matter our intentions
Its a matter of time until somebody with the knowledge of how to end the world does just that, ends it.

atomicX

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2008, 10:06:25 PM »


The Garden of Eden typifies man's original state of perfection before he began to have experience. The Tree of Knowledge means the Life Principle which can be used both ways. It bore the fruit of the knowledge of both kinds of experience, good and evil, freedom and limitation. Man must choose which kind of fruit he will eat. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."  Man makes his choice consciously but generally in ignorance. The serpent typifies the Life Principle viewed from the materialistic viewpoint; it casts man from his perfect state through his belief in duality and separation.

Ok, now you have a better version of the bible.  In this version, god is neutral. 

 


3:9 Yahweh God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
3:10 The man said, “I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
3:11 God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
3:13 Yahweh God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”


Ok, so clearly the people written the older version of the bible doesn't know what he talking about. 

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2008, 10:15:54 PM »
Steven Greer's AERO and Orion Project: sincere effort to usher in free energy or eloquent intel. front
 
 
Steven Greer, the chairman of The Disclosure Project, the organization founded in the early ninety nineties to disclose the presence of extraterrestrials and government suppression of evidence regarding the matter has taken on a newer, more daring escapade. This time, disclosing free energy technology to the world by presenting a robust , functional, closed loop, multiple kilowatt free energy device to the world, in tandem with a myriad of free energy inventors and a network of elite celebrities who are determined to see clean abundant alternatives into to the light. All this will be presented at a conference at the
National Press Club, in the same fashion as his famed 01 conference. The idea is to reach hundreds of millions, to make them aware that there are more clean alternatives than wind , geothermal and solar. He has stated that he is working on having a demonstrator unit built  and have it be duplicated and verified by at least three independent sources. So, we assume that there are no robust units available in the public domain and that this is the obstacle to the grand press conference. He founded two organizations in this light- a non profit- Orion Project- to develop technology  and a standard company- AERO(Advanced Energy Research Organization) for marketing. In addition to this, he has asked for the public to donate three million dollars for a research facility. He states repeatedly through radio talk shows and visual presentations that all free energy inventors needs to work with him because that's the only way they can get around the ardent suppression of the last 100 years. The suppression is without doubt but the fact of the matter is that there are numerous free energy machines in the public domain, robust , multiple kilowatt. They are few and far between , but the holders of these units would be more than happy to give Greer a unit if they believed he was sincere. Greer does not have to have it build and some have been on record for multiple decades and their validity is incontrovertible, already verified and either ready for production as is or on the
brink of it. It is doubtful that he is not aware of:
 
 
1. testatika 3kw self running, harnessing electrostatic energy, multiple units, ranging from 300 watts to 30 kilowatts have been running Meternitha ,Switzerland for the last 30 years
 
 
 
2. bedini generator 10kw, runs John Bedini's workshop lights, New Energy Series dvds
 
 
 
3. newman generator - has been on record for 20 years , validated by 40 professionals, Joe Newman  appeared on johnny Carson, and given wide media coverage, has videos on google video showing his machines work
 
 
4. Daniel Dingel water cars, on record since 1968, has multiple cars running on water for everyday driving and farm work, Daniel Dingel is not dead and his cars, which exist today are as functional as anything Stan Meyer came up with.
 
 
Based of of his cozy relationship with people like the Rockefellers( the illuminati) and his lack of action as far the obvious is concerned, it must be looked upon as a likely possibility that whole affair may be nothing but a trojan hose, keeping tracks on inventors  and keeping them from attempting anything on their own.this is not a novel concept, the Noetics Institute of Edgar mitchell is just that. On the other hand , free energy is not intangible such as aliens, and we are at the cusp of a totalitarian police state- the new world order- and free energy would disrupt that
 
i call upon governing members of the free energy movement, such as Sterling d Allan and Tom Beardan to look into this affair because something stinks

atomicX

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2008, 10:16:00 PM »
anyways, here's a funny way to look at things

Knowledge is power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
therefore absolute knowledge corrupts

what I'm trying to say is the more you know, the more it is that the things you know can be used for evil, to know everything would be to know both good and bad of what is ultimately possible.

I think people in general can never handle the power that comes through knowledge, a person maybe, but everyone is not the same.
We are killing ourselves off with our knowledge of the world right now....pollution, nukes, genetics, and better ways to kill each other off
knowledge of these things is not evil, it depends on the person or persons who knows of them.
This is what i think the bible is saying.
to Know is to seek death and life at the same time, dark and light, good and evil,
we are cursed with the lust of power and knowledge, no matter our intentions
Its a matter of time until somebody with the knowledge of how to end the world does just that, ends it.

Pyrodin,
So clearly you mean knowledge and wisdom is different.  Knowledge is like how to physically manipulate things and wisdom is like how to make others happy etc...  Knowledge is physical while wisdom is spiritual.  I think it's easier to separate them out like that.  In a way it's true. Having alot of knowledge without wisdom will just end up in destruction.  Having wisdom without knowledge is just a happy group live around with nature.  In a way, I don't think having high technology really improves our lives.  We live much better on spiritual.   

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2008, 10:51:46 PM »
@atomicX
yeah, pretty much...
just because you can doesn't mean you should... and all that jazz...

btw who says nature isnt high technology ;)

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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 12:42:57 AM »

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btw who says nature isnt high technology



Unfortunately, many people are either simply too cowardly, or morally compromised to confront the notion.  The act of pondering such truth causes them pain.  They truly do not see any potential value in subjecting themselves to what they consider a 'Hypothetical Creator'.


A very interesting movie:


http://www.expelledthemovie.com/


TS


P.S.  An interesting experience:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg


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Re: Story of Adam and Eve
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 09:53:12 AM »
There is no need to make things complicated the story of adam and eve is simple

1/ Adam and eve were commanded by god to replenish the Earth that is populate it

2/ They did not know they were naked they had no knowledge of good and evil or how to replenish populate the earth

3/ Eve partook of the fruit and then discovered that in order to replenish she needed adam to eat of the fruit and know what she now knew so eve offered the fruit to adam we dont know the exact conversation but you can be sure eve had a few womanlly attributes he did not want to leave and so he too partook of the fruit

4/ they then had knowledge of good and evil and discovered they were naked and hid from God

5/God found them and they were cast out of the garden. They  could not have stayed in the garden and eat of  the fruit of the tree of life as they would have lived forever not tasteing death, so they were cast out and would suffer death realizeing what god had said that  by doing so they would surely die.

6/ So they could now fullfill the commandment toreplenish the earth

Simple ay john

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