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Author Topic: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1  (Read 26878 times)

Offline Hybaj

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2008, 11:41:00 AM »
OU  or not as long as this will have no other fuel source and will power my house/car in the near future
then fine by me..  :D

Yes that's the spirit.. we all want this.. I especially hate the oil.. expensive and creates problems (wars&stuff.. I don't believe in global warming) ;)

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2008, 11:46:00 AM »
Did I ever say something about the actual length of the lifetime? Nope I sure didn't... limited = no overunity :) .. now if magnets had some kind of a free energy (which means tapping into some kind of a never ending source of energy) source in them now that would be overunity.... btw there are some great papers on the whole confusion of how much energy stored in magnets is and what has to happen for this energy to weaken ;)

So calculate how many times you can remagnetize these magnets with energy created over 100 years period, the energy created is much much times more than stored in permenent magnets.

Offline ChileanOne

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2008, 01:14:16 PM »
Oh god people on a forum named overunity don't even have an idea of what overunity means...

okay so let's say all the calculations were done correctly (chuckles....) and that it really creates more output than "input".... when the magnets die then it will create less output than input = the term overunity is not properly used.

Magnets have a limited lifetime... see? now make the connection.. no freaking overunity.. imagine magnets as fuel...little spark -> lots of energy due to fuel explosion .. overunity too? NO.. just energy released from the fuel thanks to the little spark... magnets = fuel ... period..

Your comment shows that you really don't have much idea of how much energy does take to magnetize a material, nor what the duration of the magnetized material remaining magnetized is.

If you do it right, interaction of magnetic fields between magnetic materials can even lead to a streghtening of the magnetic properties of each piece of materials, and not a weakening.

Even if the magnetic material would become hipotetically demagnetized after a period of some years of use, OU can hold true as the integration of all power generated minus all power inputs still would yield a net positive overunity result. You can of course design interactions that quickly demagnetize a magnetic material, it all comes to the relation between the magnetizing force over a magnetic material field going out of certain boundaries, but within these boundaries, that are a property of each magnetic material, demagnetization does not occur.
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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2008, 01:14:16 PM »
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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2008, 01:44:57 PM »
Your comment shows that you really don't have much idea of how much energy does take to magnetize a material, nor what the duration of the magnetized material remaining magnetized is.

If you do it right, interaction of magnetic fields between magnetic materials can even lead to a streghtening of the magnetic properties of each piece of materials, and not a weakening.

Even if the magnetic material would become hipotetically demagnetized after a period of some years of use, OU can hold true as the integration of all power generated minus all power inputs still would yield a net positive overunity result. You can of course design interactions that quickly demagnetize a magnetic material, it all comes to the relation between the magnetizing force over a magnetic material field going out of certain boundaries, but within these boundaries, that are a property of each magnetic material, demagnetization does not occur.
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I agree, permanent magnets do not demagnetize.  In my opinion, magnets over time or by abuse become misaligned when the "pinning" material fails to hold the alignment of magnetic particles.  I think that the magnetic field is powered by a natural behavior within a magnet at the atomic level.  No energy is stored in a magnet when it is aligned or created.  The magnet is not "magnetized" when created.  If it was, you could store energy in a magnet like a battery, and we know that we can't charge, discharge or recharge magnets.  We can only realign them as long as the pinning material will hold the particles in place.

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2008, 02:12:29 PM »
I was working on a newman motor, but after seeing this, I'm changing lanes.

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
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Offline nul-points

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2008, 02:35:53 PM »
hi all

it would be great to find that someone has finally measured OU output generated by a Bedini motor setup

before we get too excited with this latest report i think we need to see:-

 - the exact circuit being used
 - where in the circuit the measurements are being made
 - if the builder's taken all necessary steps to ensure the measurements are valid (eg. is the output a pulsed waveform? if so, does his meter give a true Average Current reading for this waveform?)
 - if it's possible to confirm the output results using a second method (eg. scope trace data & Excel)

all the best
sandy
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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2008, 03:05:49 PM »
at least ....
you cant see the input voltages not the output voltage

if the output voltage is half of input voltage ... ?
than the losses are more then 50%. (if near equivaltent current)

Any SHOW is an nonsense if it not displayed
  the voltage AND the Amps ! ( (V time A = VA (Watts))

so the next problem in this Video is:
Motor is DC driven !
Output is this way  AC.

No  belive any video or scematic , take an lttle "basic-sciences"
first.

GP
 

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
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Offline Groundloop

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2008, 03:26:24 PM »
@nul-points,

Good point. He is using two digital multimeter's to measure the current.
There is no way the measurement can be correct when measuring pulsed DC.
Only a true RMS meter or scope readings can confirm the measurements.

@pese,

I agree with you, there is not enough information in the video to confirm o/u.

Groundloop.

Offline Nostradamus2

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2008, 03:29:53 PM »
Just close the f**ing loop  ;)

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2008, 03:59:39 PM »
@Nostradamus2,

Closing the f...ing loop is not easy with pulse motors. If you build a pulse motor and use
a lead acid battery (LAB) on the input then the input impedance of you motor is very low. The internal
resistance of a LAB is typically in the mOhm range. So, if you just connect the output of your
motor direct to the input battery then you have "killed" the output voltage. It will not work unless
you find a way to impedance match the output with the low resistance of your input battery. I do not
say that this is impossible, it is just difficult to do.

Groundloop.

Offline myrmex

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2008, 04:22:48 PM »

Magnets have a limited lifetime... see? now make the connection.. no freaking overunity.. imagine magnets as fuel...little spark -> lots of energy due to fuel explosion .. overunity too? NO.. just energy released from the fuel thanks to the little spark... magnets = fuel ... period..

I've heard that a lot , do you have a study where they used a magnet until it died to prove that fact ?
I'm sure they will eventually loose their charge but how many days does it take there is surely some scientist that did experiment and can put a lifetime in days/month/year on that claim ....

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2008, 05:30:22 PM »
after searching a bit  i couldnt find a better link than this one but it still put some indication about a magnetic hip being able to last 1,000 year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-510987/The-new-magnetic-hip-lifetime.html


if it is claimed a magnet can hold the weigth of a person for 1,000 year im pretty sure it can turn around for the same amount of time...

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2008, 06:07:59 PM »
Darn!  I guess solar energy is out then too as it is predicted that the sun will burn out in a few more million years so, I guess no free energy there either.

I am excited about this video although I agree with the folks that suggested in a nice way that better instrumentation be used for measurement of input and output before a final declaration is confirmed.  I too have been fascinated by the Bedini motors for a long time now and I hope this fellow has finally done it.  We will see.

Bill

Offline AbbaRue

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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2008, 07:41:08 AM »
I have been meaning to say this for a long time but was looking for the right time to do so.
I guess this is as good a time as any.

Over and over again we hear people say "close the loop" or "have it run it's self".
There are laws of physics that can prevent that from working. 
Conflicts with the laws of electronics.

Now here is what I have been meaning to say and it applies to all over unity devices:
Build 2 copies of the device that are as close to exact as possible.
Then use the output from device #1 to run device #2.  (Condition the output so it works)
If you have over unity device #2 must put out even more OU power then device #1 did.
This will remove any doubt that you have achieved Over Unity.
And also the laws of physics won't prevent you from using the output of #2 to run #1.
If #1 can run #2 then #2 has to be able to run #1, that is just plane logic.

Also building 2 copies will prove the other most important point;
That the effect can be duplicated.
So no more saying that something strange happened to the device and it doesn't work anymore.
Also as you build device #2 you can use device #1 as a reference to make sure you build it right.

I find it so strange that all those who claim to have build an OU device haven't thought of this simple solution.
I can understand if the device costs thousands of dollars and one just doesn't have the money to build a duplicate.
But every idea on this forum I have seen to date would cost less then $1000 to replicate for the one that build the first model.
Many can be replicated for less then $200.  So cost isn't a factor here.
The biggest cost is development of the concept into a working model because many test models are built.
But once you have a working model, then replication is very cheap.

And if you need even more proof, then build 3 or more of them and have the output of one running the other.
Eventually you should get so much Over Unity that no one will be able to question it again.

I hope all on this forum get to read this and give it some real thought, and stop saying "get the thing to run it's self"
That is the wrong approach!
"Get the thing to run a copy of itself!!!!"
That is the right approach.
I think the term is "decoupling" you must decouple the input from the output, and using 2 units will accomplish this.

I chose to place this here because the Bedini motor is a perfect candidate for this.
If you have a working OU version of it then building a copy of it is fairly cheap and easy to do.




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Re: Bedini motor with Avramenko plug OU COP = 1.1
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2008, 01:39:40 PM »
AbbaRue--

Well, that or just have the thing flip-flop charging cap banks and run the motor off the flip-flopped banks.

 

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