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Title: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: hartiberlin on November 12, 2005, 02:06:17 AM
Hi All,
I found avery good comparison for heating with corn versus with wood and oil.

It seems corn is today the cheapest alternative !

Have a look over here:

http://www.getreideheizung.de/hauptmenue/wirtschaft.htm (http://www.getreideheizung.de/hauptmenue/wirtschaft.htm)

and here is the main page with a forum also :

http://www.getreideheizung.de (http://www.getreideheizung.de)
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: Kator01 on November 12, 2005, 10:39:31 PM
Stephan,

very interesting but i doubt this price-figures : 1 ? for 12.5 kg ? Never seen such a price.How old are these figures ?  Three years ?

Kator
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: lanca III on November 13, 2005, 03:55:53 AM
Kator,
getreideheizung.de
info
verivox,dpa-Meldung 03.10.2005
10 cents per Kilo Backweizen,
vielleicht gibt es ja "Minderwertigeren"!
10 (cents) X 12,5(Kilo)=1.25 EURO
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: Kator01 on November 14, 2005, 10:51:11 AM
Lanca,

danke. Die n?chste Frage an die Community ist : Ist es in Deutschland oder Europa erlaubt ein Grundnahrungsmittel zu verbrennen. Ein Freund von mir brachte diese ?berraschende Frage auf. Ich mace mich nat?rlich auch noch selbst in diesem Thema schlau.

Folks,

does anybody know if it is allowed in Germany or Europe to burn basic-food-subtance ? A friend of mine raised this surprising question. I will do of course furhter research on this subject myself.

Regards
Kator
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: Kator01 on November 14, 2005, 10:55:09 AM
Folks,

Nur Ausnahmegenehmigungen in Einzelf?llen : Sie Info Okt.05 vom Landratsamt Starnberg f?r die Anlage der Firma BAXI.

Kator
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: lanca III on November 14, 2005, 07:30:49 PM
Bitte sehr,Kator.
Es geht hier aber in erster Linie um das Weizen-Heu/Stroh,nicht um die Koerner.
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: Kator01 on November 14, 2005, 07:46:21 PM
Lanca,

Danke sehr :  ich muss widersprechen, auf der Seite unter "Idee" steht eindeutig "Verheizen von Getreidek?rnern" und die sind
auch auf dem Foto abgebildet. Aus den Stroh kommt nicht viel heraus and Energie

Kator

Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: lanca III on November 14, 2005, 09:11:48 PM
Kator,
so wie beschrieben,naemlich "nur Koerner", ist es gesetzlich untersagt (siehe unter Umwelt ).
Zudem koennen Sie unter IDEE -Landwirtschaftliche Fachschule Tulln- der Studie entnehmen,
dass sich der Brennwertgehalt bei Weizen sich auf Koerner,als sich aber auch auf die Restpflanze verteilt.

Als zusaetzlichen Beitrag empfehle ich:www.news.cornell.edu/Stories/March05/grass.fuel.ssl.html
Cornell University,E.V.Baker Professor of Agriculture Jerry Cherney
"Grow grass,not for fun but for fuel."
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: oliverst on February 07, 2006, 01:43:54 PM
Hi!

Do anybody knows a plan for a corn boiler?

I do plan to make one.

Many thx
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: Slipmatwax on May 23, 2007, 11:23:03 PM
WARNING!

Contrary to what is happening in Washington, we should never, ever encourage the production of food to be used as fuel. This will be the demise of our society because our thirst for fuel will cause many farmers to convert their food crops to fuel crops. This will increase the price of basic food groups because less farmers will be growing food. There will be massive ammounts of water required to grow the fuel crops on a large scale...another commodity we need to preserve...and another commodity we are lacking.

This scenario happened thousands of years ago when water power was used to produce the energy for mills, diverting water away from the fields caused a massive loss of crops and the entire civilization was eventually lost.

We need all the food we can get to feed the worlds starving...lets not deprive them of life so we can still drive economically
Title: Re: Heating with corn , Heizen mit Weizen
Post by: sudds1113 on December 28, 2008, 04:21:49 PM
People should really check there data before posting. In the USA 8% of the corn grown goes to food for human consumption. The bulk of the corn goes to feed cattle, which is sad to say as their digestive system is not efficiently digest starches, about 87% of  the corn goes to cattle, 20% of that goes to foreign cattle. The other point that should be made is that the corn for food (cattle or human) needs to be higher quality and needs to be grown on prime land. Fuel corn needs to be of high quantity and can be grown on other soil from the food grade corn. So no land competition, no food vs fuel competition, only farmer vs major oil co. competition, and we all suffer.

As a side note, developments in processing plants to fuel are reaching the point where the food portion of the plant is not used in making the fuel.