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captainpecan

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I've got it, now what do I do?
« on: October 17, 2008, 06:35:18 AM »
I think I have figured out an extremely easy way to harness free energy. Very easy to duplicate. I have a prototype that has proven my concept, yet it is so damn small, due to lack of materials and money, I am not confident with my tests to actually claim it truely works, or that it will even work any period of time yet.

BUT... While I'm scrounging up materials, to finish this, I would really like to know the proper steps to get this thing out there. Can anyone explain the GPL to me better, and how I go about getting it? I thought the GPL was only for software, and not think you could use it for a free energy generator? I'm sure I'm wrong, but I simply dont know anything about it, and I want to start taking the steps to getting this thing protected for everyone.

Also, with a GPL, can it be set, so that it is free for everyones personal use, but if a company builds it for profit, a small percentage would have to be paid to the owner? Would that violate the overunity prize adding that into the liscense? 

Also, I have heard that the U.S. Government has thousands of patents for free energy devices, hidden. I'll be honest, this is simple as hell, and I would be shocked if nobody has ever done this before. What happens if I apply for a GPL, and a patent was already issued, for one tiny piece of it, and hidden? The whole damn thing would become illegal to produce wouldn't it?

Anyway, I just need a little help from someone who may have already gotten a GPL before, and knows what's required. I dont have much money, and honestly I'm a bit scared to give any details of what I'm working on for fear someone will patent it that can afford to, and screw me, and everyone else here, by not releasing the info.

So what do I do? Hell, maybe I'll find out like everyone else always does that something has been overlooked and my multimeter is not reliable, or whatever. But the fact is, assume I did, or any one of us did it. What the hell do we do then?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 08:41:14 AM »
if you haven't read Open Source Vs. Patenting (found here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.0) then i don't know what to tell you...  :-\

broli

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 09:37:33 AM »
Is it scalable? Have you duplicated it? Is it a closed loop?

As for the gpl licensing check out...

http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

What might pop up at first is;

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Developers that use the GNU GPL protect your rights with two steps: (1) assert copyright on the software, and (2) offer you this License giving you legal permission to copy, distribute and/or modify it.

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Can I use the GPL for something other than software?

You can apply the GPL to any kind of work, as long as it is clear what constitutes the “source code” for the work. The GPL defines this as the preferred form of the work for making changes in it.

However, for manuals and textbooks, or more generally any sort of work that is meant to teach a subject, we recommend using the GFDL rather than the GPL.

The following might also help;

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The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain three elements. They should appear together or in close proximity on the copies. The elements are:

1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word “Copyright,” or the abbreviation “Copr.”; and
2. The year of first publication. If the work is a derivative work or a compilation incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the derivative work or compilation is sufficient. Examples of derivative works are translations or dramatizations; an example of a compilation is an anthology.

The year may be omitted when a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or useful articles; and
3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.*
Example: © 2007 Jane Doe

Koen1

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 02:44:06 PM »
Idk, I am more interested in hearing about your idea for generating free energy
than I am interested in telling you how to make people pay for that information.

Please tell us about your claimed discovery?

broli

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 03:35:51 PM »
@Koen1: Are you that ignorant that you forgot to read? He wants to be sure his idea won't end up as a patent or not be free. There's a difference between sharing some ideas you have laying around and an idea you think works completely (not saying his does). I fully respect his will to stick a gpl license on this so it becomes free for the people.

@captainpecan: You also don't have to be that paranoid. If you share it here and get confirmed replications there will be no question about the source. Patents take way to long to process to be able to "steal" it. So just stamp a copyright notice on the the images/diagrams/drawings and share  ;).


Koen1

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 04:09:52 PM »
Broli,

as far as I know you do not need to get any form of license to spread the word
of your personal inventions or discoveries to the public.
You merely need to publish it widely enough (so not just in one or two
obscure websites or magazines, but as many as possible or at least
a number of respected media), stating very clearly that this is an idea you had,
explaining your idea in detail, and claiming copyright on the idea.
That gives you intellectual property of the idea.
You may then include a paragraph stating that you intend the information
to be spread and used freely by the public, and that any use of the information
intended for commercial use or attempts to proprietise the information
by commercial parties is in violation with your copyright and your intended use
of the information.

This should cover the idea enough to keep others from patenting the idea,
or otherwise stealing credit, or keeping it from the public.
At least, it should allow the public to access and use the information freely.

Of course, if the information was ever patented or copyrighted before you
published it, you will be in violation of those rights, and you will probably
have to publish a formal retraction and rectification of your copyright claim.
But if you include a disclaimer stating that you have searched but not found any
precedents, and that you will retract your claim if any party comes forward who
had staked a claim on the same idea or information before you published it,
then you should still be in the clear.

In any case, if the invention (device?) is simple enough to build, it still wouldn't
really matter if it were patented before, as any person may freely replicate
any patented device as long as it will not be used for commercial gain.
So you may build any patented device you can for personal use, as long as
you don't sell the device for profit, and as long as you don't use the device
to produce anything that you sell for profit. Theoretically, a non-profit group
should be able to build patented devices for personal use by the members
of said group. And you may also spread the word about the exact details
and construction tips of the patented device, as long as you keep mentioning
the patent, the patent number, and the patent holder, and as long as you
keep pointing out that it is in fact patented and that commercial use is not
allowed without licensing from the patent holder.

So you see, a patent is not necessarily the huge obstacle it may seem to be.
It only blocks any commercial exploitation of an idea by anyone other than the
patent holder. It does not block the public from gaining knowledge about the
patented concept, nor does it block anyone from building or using the concept
in a non-commercial way.

Instead of accusing me or being ignorant, perhaps you should think some more
before you post accusations?
If he just wants the idea to become public, he must simply make it public and
claim copyright for the atricle, monologue, paper, or whatever medium he wants
to use to put his idea to the public. Even if it turns out that it was already patented
he can just write an article explaining the patent and referring clearly to the patent,
and if it is copyrigted he can write an article linking or referring to the copyrighted
article and discussing certain points that he deems important.
Nobody can keep you from spreading an idea, even if someone else had the idea before you.

AhuraMazda

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 04:12:39 PM »

If you look at Thane Heins perpetia thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3360
It is 84 pages and I think he was talking the same stuff that you are saying now. I don't know if anyone ever
replicated it.

If you have something just say what you have. No one can patents something that is publically disclosed.

The enemy has smashed the door and is coming in. No amount of money will save any of us.
Do you have the silver bullet?

spinner

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 05:55:13 PM »
If you look at Thane Heins perpetia thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3360
It is 84 pages and I think he was talking the same stuff that you are saying now. I don't know if anyone ever
replicated it.

If you have something just say what you have. No one can patents something that is publically disclosed.

The enemy has smashed the door and is coming in. No amount of money will save any of us.
Do you have the silver bullet?


Yes, and look for all the similar claims made over the last centuries...

First, you should check out the history, many thousands of (nonworking!) patents made throughout the years...

I'm not sure, but it appears you're not aware of this. ?

OK; the chances you've really got something (FE/OU/PM) are - minuscule...  ;D

Think about your discovery, your prototype, energy conversions involved, physics, maths,....

Of course, with a decent proof of a concept device you'll win the trophy in no time...

No need to disclose your discovery here if you have other plans. But I would advise you to look for some knowledgable / competent person(s) you can trust (close friends?) to check out your (FE) concept.

Don't start another FE tale, if you're not sure about the result....
OK?

innovation_station

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 06:02:32 PM »
in my experience  just give it away public for all for free

you know how the universe works??? 

it will give back in return many times fold!! ;)

but you must first transmitt  in ordor to recieve   8)

i have seen this first hand....

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captainpecan

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 06:39:35 PM »
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Don't start another FE tale, if you're not sure about the result....

I 100% agree... believe me. That's why I'm trying to not say I have proven it to be the greatest ever... Because the fact is, I only have very good results, with a small protype, built virtually with garbage, lol... It does prove the concept, however. And with my "personal" testing, it's shows free energy. But my personal testing doesn't mean a damn thing, lol. I'm very aware of that.

I do appreciate these replies. And no fear, whether I get it finished and totally proven or not, I'm going to release it right here. Even if it ends up not being what I believe it is, maybe one of you could help with that last bit of knowledge that could make it a go. I just want to make sure if it really is what I believe, someone doesn't take the knowledge, patent it, and screw us all by not releasing it.

innovation_station

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 07:13:37 PM »
im in if you want my help im sure i can get to the bottom of it altho i am quite busy thease days

put it up

 if it is simple and i can help to finish/ improve it i will

for free

i want nothing from it as now i have already many ou devices built  ;)

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broli

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 07:14:28 PM »
Indeed go ahead and share it.

maw2432

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 10:57:36 PM »
Please share. 
If you think what you have discovered is really worth it... you can always self-patent to get a patent pending status for just a couple hundred dollars. This would protect your invention for a year from others trying to copy your work for profit while getting a good peer evaluation.  From my limited experience,  patents are only as good as the lawyers you can hire to protect them.  If you can not afford the lawyers, chances are you would lose a court fight for your invention.   A clear patent pending status of an invention would at least allow for room to negotiate some royaltities IMHO. But then again,  I am no lawyer.   
Good luck.

Bill

b0rg13

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2008, 01:04:34 AM »
in my experience  just give it away public for all for free

you know how the universe works??? 

it will give back in return many times fold!! ;)

but you must first transmitt  in ordor to recieve   8)

i have seen this first hand....

ist

i totally agree with this , wouldnt it be great if there was somthing simple that any one would make out of general junk, and it simply spread like wild fire via mouth,the energy cartel can go beep it self,and then the *others* would fall apart more easily as well.

btw IST, i owe you an apology, ive never been to good at them but, im sorry for calling you a jackass(a few months back), i dont hate or dislike you, i enjoy reading your stuff,cept  i hate reading, im more of a picture/video guy, ive been meaning to you for a while now,but 90% of the time im a little pig headed i think,your a good guy in my books.

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: I've got it, now what do I do?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 02:42:00 AM »

Personally I would make arrangements that if anything were to happen to me, the details of my work would be automatically released on many forums.

Then I would post a notice to that effect on here...just to be on the safe side.

Best of luck, and here's hoping this is the real deal.

Regards...