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Offline Thaelin

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Silicon Salt Battery
« on: October 17, 2008, 02:08:19 AM »
Hi all:   
   Starting to see reference to this new type of battery but can find no real info on it.
I am converting an E-Bike and this extra punch would help out on distance. Thanks

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Silicon Salt Battery
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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 04:18:10 AM »
This is very interesting. I wonder what the chemistry is.

Some links promised to tell, but I didn't see any chemistry info.

This sodium aluminate should be easy to get from clay which is mostly just that sodium/aluminum/silicates.

Do you have the info to publish here to make this easy, Thaelin?

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 04:46:38 PM »
   Sadly no I have nothing to go on at the moment. I did hear that an e-bike company
in germany ships it with this type of battery. All the battery companies here in the
US have no info on them or heard of them.  :(

thaelin
  Maybe Stephan has a lead???


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Offline jeanna

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 08:18:14 PM »
OK I will study up a little to refresh.

I am pretty sure the lead acid battery has one kind of lead in a paste squished into a grid made of lead of another type and the sulphuric acid makes the reaction. I have never seen the explanation that "sticks".

This question gives me good reason to really look for it.

So, then for now conceptually at least, I suppose that with these 2 kinds of lead still in place, the Na/Al//Si in this alkaline environment will react with the lead and give it new life? maybe as some reports said, more peppy.

I'll have a look.

Maybe someone else can help?

jeanna

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 11:28:17 PM »
OK I will study up a little to refresh.

I am pretty sure the lead acid battery has one kind of lead in a paste squished into a grid made of lead of another type and the sulphuric acid makes the reaction. I have never seen the explanation that "sticks".



Jeanna 

A paste is not always used .

I remember around  15 or 20 years ago  they switched  the  stuff they add to the plates .   at  the time thecalled batterys with the   new  chemistry   "low maintanance "   

Another   variation is  the  optima  battery .   It  has  its  plates in the form  of a  mats  of lead  threads .
the  mats are  sandwiched   between  layers of  fiberglass ......the  whole thing is  rolled up into  a  cylinder  .  Because   the  plates are  tightly  rolled between  layers of fiberglass   the plates themselves need little or no mechanical  strength  so the  chemistry  can be optimised   for  electrical   properties rather than a combination of  electrical and mechanical   properties .
Optima  batterys  cost   around  3 times more than  regular batterys  but  are said to last  4 times longer .   Mine is  4 years old  and  seems  to be as good as new .   


gary
There  is  only one  small  vent  on my  optima  and no place where water could be added . 

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Offline jeanna

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2008, 12:19:32 AM »
Gary,
Is this a car battery you refer to as optima battery?

The idea to switch seems like one to pursue. but first, I want to address what is happening with the lead.

If this alkalinization of the acid battery produces better electricity and can be used after the acid battery has lost its usefulness, then this would double the life of one battery and one amount of lead etc.

However, one guy in his description was dumping the liquid out of his almost dead lead-acid battery in order to change its chemistry to alkaline with the addition of alum.

So, it may be a dreadful thing to do to your backyard (I won't even go on from there  ;), ) and may not justify its use at all.

This is why I am asking for understanding of the chemistry.

Is there lead in the acid liquid of an almost used up lead acid battery?

I remember the liquid turns to water at some part of its cycle. Is it when it is flat?

I will be checking it out later. I just realized I did not make my question very clear.

Thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2008, 12:51:01 AM »
Gary,
Is this a car battery you refer to as optima battery?


Yes the one I was talking about is in my car .    .      http://www.optimabatteries.com/optima_products/

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So, it may be a dreadful thing to do to your backyard (I won't even go on from there  ;), ) and may not justify its use at all.

This is why I am asking for understanding of the chemistry.

Is there lead in the acid liquid of an almost used up lead acid battery?

I remember the liquid turns to water at some part of its cycle. Is it when it is flat?

I will be checking it out later. I just realized I did not make my question very clear.



good  questions
I am not  going to  try  changing the electrolyte in  a battery .
I  remember  something about lead  leaching into  the  soil  from lead based  paint .     if livestock  eat   grass growing over  a disposal  site they can ingest  dangerous amounts of lead . 

I  don't think it will be easy  to get  details on exact chemistry of lead acid batterys .  The  chemistry is what makes them  better or worse than their  competition .


gary   



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Offline jeanna

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 05:58:09 AM »
OK folks, this is it for me.

wiki says
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). In the discharged state both electrodes turn into lead(II) sulfate (PbSO4) and the electrolyte loses its dissolved sulphuric acid and becomes primarily water
In the next paragraph it says that the lead paste eventually drops into the liquid part of the battery and builds up a lead sludge from the bottom.

So, for me this is way too dirty a technology.

Yes, Gary lead causes   nerve damage to all and brain damage to children whose brains are rapidly growing.

NO THANK YOU ON THIS ONE!

Jeanna

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 06:47:41 AM »
I though this was pretty interesting.  Pretty dam expensive though.  If you electrolyze water with a solar panel and create your own hydrogen, the energy would be dirt cheap.  Not sure the about the lifetime of the pack though, or if you could even replenish the cell on your own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkRysyghrKM&eurl=http://www.horizonfuelcell.com/portable_power.htm

http://www.horizonfuelcell.com/portable_power.htm

http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3123733

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2008, 03:51:22 AM »
Another reference to the salt battery

"Their Magnetic Air Car uses a silicon salt battery having 30% more mass power than a lead acid storage battery, and it can completely charge in one hour. The battery is also environmentally friendly: it’s 95% recyclable, and it can be used in almost extreme conditions: from -40 to +50 degrees Celsius. I say almost, because the temperatures inside a car during summer exceed 50 degrees. "
http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/09/30/magnetic-air-car/

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2008, 12:59:32 PM »
Hi All,
There is more information at Sepp Hasslberger's site:

How to convert a Lead Acid Battery into an Alkaline Battery


http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/01/how_to_convert_a_lead_acid_bat.html (ftp://http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/01/how_to_convert_a_lead_acid_bat.html)

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2008, 01:03:33 AM »
 That interesting Sepp Hasslberger link again on:

How to convert a Lead Acid Battery into an Alkaline Battery.......

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/01/how_to_convert_a_lead_acid_bat.html

Hope it works this time.

ecc

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2008, 02:23:17 AM »
Here are links to the Chinese manufacturer of the
"Silicone Power Battery" :



http://www.guineng.com/HTM/Jwork_01.htm

and its western shop front:

http://www.greensaver.cn/en/news/index.aspx

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 06:52:07 PM »
   @ECC

   Super! Many thanks to ya. Sad that our battery places refuse to carry these. I found
also a GreenSaver located in California as well. It is a sub of the china company. They
have the battery I need in stock now.  ;D ;D ;D

thaelin

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Re: Silicon Salt Battery
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 07:55:17 PM »
Some old electronic books have details on lead battery construction.Also the edison battery.triffid

 

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