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Author Topic: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!  (Read 11377 times)

nightlife

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The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« on: October 11, 2008, 09:38:59 PM »
"In physics, the law of 'conservation of energy' states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant and cannot be created, although it may change forms, e.g. friction turns kinetic energy into heat (radiant energy). In thermodynamics, the first law of thermodynamics is a statement of the conservation of energy for thermodynamic systems, and is the more encompassing version of the conservation of energy. In short, the law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another or transferred from one body to another, but the total amount of energy remains constant (the same)."

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

 Energy is only created and or extracted from stored energy. It takes a pulse to create energy and it takes two colliding resistances to create a pulse.

 This may be why I find so many to be so far off base. This is being taught to be the way it is but the fact is, it is not the way it is. Energy is life and you must feed energy with a pulse to keep it alive. With out continuously adding a pulse, the energy will fade away. But energy is a resistance and when collided with another resistance, it creates another pulse and you can not create a pulse without creating energy and you can not create energy with out creating a pulse and you can not extract energy with out using a pulse.
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 10:18:38 PM »
Quote from: nightlife on October 11, 2008, 09:38:59 PM
... Energy is only created and or extracted from stored energy. It takes a pulse to create energy and it takes two colliding resistances to create a pulse.

 This may be why I find so many to be so far off base. This is being taught to be the way it is but the fact is, it is not the way it is. Energy is life and you must feed energy with a pulse to keep it alive. With out continuously adding a pulse, the energy will fade away. But energy is a resistance and when collided with another resistance, it creates another pulse and you can not create a pulse without creating energy and you can not create energy with out creating a pulse and you can not extract energy with out using a pulse.
And you're going to proove this, yes? ;D
Vibrations, eh?
Jeeez....
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Creativity

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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2008, 10:47:34 PM »
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Energy is only created and or extracted from stored energy. It takes a pulse to create energy and it takes two colliding resistances to create a pulse.

how one makes two colliding resistances?
if energy is extracted from stored energy,it means that this extracted one was transformed from the existing one.
if energy is created from stored energy,it is a synomym for transformation of energy.A potential of one form its made out of another type of potential.
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utilitarian

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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2008, 11:07:39 PM »
Quote from: nightlife on October 11, 2008, 09:38:59 PM
"In physics, the law of 'conservation of energy' states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant and cannot be created, although it may change forms, e.g. friction turns kinetic energy into heat (radiant energy). In thermodynamics, the first law of thermodynamics is a statement of the conservation of energy for thermodynamic systems, and is the more encompassing version of the conservation of energy. In short, the law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another or transferred from one body to another, but the total amount of energy remains constant (the same)."

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

 Energy is only created and or extracted from stored energy. It takes a pulse to create energy and it takes two colliding resistances to create a pulse.

 This may be why I find so many to be so far off base. This is being taught to be the way it is but the fact is, it is not the way it is. Energy is life and you must feed energy with a pulse to keep it alive. With out continuously adding a pulse, the energy will fade away. But energy is a resistance and when collided with another resistance, it creates another pulse and you can not create a pulse without creating energy and you can not create energy with out creating a pulse and you can not extract energy with out using a pulse.

It's like a toddler who first holds up a chess piece critiquing one of Garry Kasparov's openings.
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nightlife

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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 01:30:28 AM »
spinner,
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And you're going to proove this, yes?
Vibrations, eh?
Jeeez....

 Think about it. Everything is based on vibrations and pulses. Vibrations come in many different frequency's. Some are illegal and or lethal and we are unable to research past them.

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how one makes two colliding resistances?

 And you are asking this why?

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if energy is extracted from stored energy,it means that this extracted one was transformed from the existing one.
if energy is created from stored energy,it is a synomym for transformation of energy.A potential of one form its made out of another type of potential.


 It does not mean any have been transformed nor is it ever transformed.

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It's like a toddler who first holds up a chess piece critiquing one of Garry Kasparov's openings.

 I was thinking along the same lines but about the comments posted about what I posted.  ;)
 
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 02:49:10 AM »
Nightlife is on the right tracks here, at least partly.
And no one of us is anything but a toddler what it comes to these questions.
The knowledge is increasing at huge speed all the time. And always when we look back we can see just how stupid people where “back then” or how little they know.
I also like the “everything is vibration” view. At least the vibrations of some kind are almost every day basics for an engineer, whether the vibrations are electrical or mechanical. Even the universe is oscillating, the frequency is just the smallest frequency of all oscillators!  :D
Just now, the universe is expanding, so it has not yet reached it’s halve age. When the universe stops expending, it has reached it’s halve age, then it starts to contract again so that everything begins again with a big bang.
And what it comes to big bang, it came from nowhere right?
So if you can’t get anything from nothing, where did the big bang came from?
Before the big bang, there was only a pure energy, that then started to change to matter and form stars and planets. But where did the pure energy come from?
It came from NOWHERE!  ;D ;D
So if you really think of it, conservation of energy can not possibly be true. Or then, something else isn't true?
How much was there pure energy in the first place?
How much is that energy in form of liquid hydrogen?
Why is there that exact amount?
Why did the energy started to change into matter?

Colliding resistances, I have no idea what this could be… ???
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Creativity

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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 10:38:31 AM »
yes my second and third sentence had it's flawns :) but the question is still open on how u make those opposed resistances.Seem to be important concept so explain it more(only the resistances,not the rest of the theory).
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 10:55:36 AM »
 Resistances are walls that can be thought of as solids, liquids, pressures, fields, forces, energy's or anything else that is real and not imagined.

 A attracting resistance is a wall that draws in other walls. A repelling resistance is a wall that pushes away other walls and a stationary wall is a wall that does neither and it can be attracted or repelled and or have no reaction at all to some and or all other walls.

 A colliding resistance would be two walls colliding together.
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 12:42:32 PM »
sulake,

any dimension is infinately small from higher dimension view.Maybe the same goes for energy that just channeled from higher dimension to this 3D :)

nightlife,

it's surely a hard nut to get this into vidualisation at first  :).Can u come up with any example closer to observable fenomena?
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Paul-R

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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »
Quote from: nightlife on October 11, 2008, 09:38:59 PM
"In physics, the law of 'conservation of energy' states that the total amount of energy in an
isolated system remains constant and cannot be created, although it may change forms....
There is a snag.

To get your equations correct, you must take into account ALL forms of energy, those that
you know about, and those that you do not know about.

This is a snag.
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 04:36:40 PM »
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"it's surely a hard nut to get this into vidualisation at first  .Can u come up with any example closer to observable fenomena?"

 When you tap your finger on your desk you will feel and hear a vibration and you may even see it if you do so hard enough or set a glass of water on it. Your finger is a resistance as is the desk. Both are stationary resistances and either of the two must have energy used to move. I wont go in to how the energy was used because that may make for another debate which would put us in biology.  :(

 When iron is placed with in a certain distance of a magnet, the two has a attracting resistance to each other.

 When a north seeking energy (polarity) is placed within a certain distance of another north seeking energy (polarity), they both have a repelling resistance to each other and vise versa. When a south seeking energy (polarity) is placed within a certain distance from a north seeking energy (polarity) they have a attracting resistance between them.

 Some same magnetic polarity's can become a attraction within a certain distance from each other if the cores have a stronger attracting resistance to both polarity’s of the magnetic field then the same polarity's have to their own repelling resistance. This is one way how two magnets can become one because their magnetic energy's will realign to suit the attraction. The same happens when all opposite polarity's are placed together.

 Aren’t those concepts taught in schools?
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 04:51:00 PM »
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"To get your equations correct, you must take into account ALL forms of energy, those that
you know about, and those that you do not know about."
   
 There is only one form of energy and the only difference between energy's is their vibrancy. Energy's are used to create motions that some consider to be energy like wind and some energy’s are used to create heat which some consider to be energy. Think of all the energy's you can think of and take the time to see what they consist of and or how they are created.
 Wind is created by the pressure between two energy's. Heat is created by a repeated collision of two resistances. The action is created by energy’s.
 
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2008, 05:19:56 PM »
Everything is based on vibrance.

 Sight, sound, taste, touch, colors and magnetic fields are all made possible by vibrations and they are measured by their vibrance. There are so many different vibrances that we have yet to be able to test because we are not able to get past the ones that make up our existence and or the tools needed to create the vibrance. John has touched on some of the vibrances that make up steel and in his experiments he was able to twist, split, lift, explode and tear steel apart.

 Energy is just word that can be replaced by the word vibration because all it is, is a vibration.
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 12:29:53 AM »
Quote from: nightlife on October 12, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
Paul-R,   
 There is only one form of energy and the only difference between energy's is their vibrancy.
there are many forms of energy: sound, electrical, kinetic,
potential and so on.

...and of course, zero-point energy which gets omitted by
those who are not up to speed.
Paul.
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Re: The law of conservation of energy is wrong!
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2008, 01:08:30 AM »
what u say holds together.Just this term resistance is missleading,it actually describes an action on behalf of the vibrancy.To say that there is only one true energy is not a problem in my opinion.Just different types of interaction are called to be originated in different energies(at school).It's like naming of every fragment of EMsectrum with different name and we do it already...radio waves,microwaves and so on.
As far as i can see it,ur theory is not going against physics.Just another view on things.String theory also states vibrating strings manifesting in energy (if i remember it good ;) )

Let say there is only one energy type called vibrancy.Any other established energy is just a name of different frequency of vibrancy and can be used interchangeably.By changing the frequency of vibrancy we transform established energy into another one.Any system is just a collection of different freq of vibrance(differen energy types) ,vibrating at superposed frequency as a whole(total spectrum of the energies).When we put something new into the system the total frequency changes,so we can see it interacts.Vibrancy is a wave so it has resonance and total fade out properties if matched with appriopirate another vibrancy.

we would have to explain what is the resonance and fade out.Also how vibrances superpose together or Doppler effect.

i guess that any difference in vibrating amplitudes would create a field.Vibrance of the harmonic frequencies would be the most suited transfer of energy type(so resonance,resonsnce with 1st harmonic,2nd harmonic and so on).

i think i could explain energy transfers,energy transformations and so on in vibrancy terms.But not tonight :0 now time to sleep zzzzzzz
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