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Offline nightlife

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2008, 06:00:21 AM »
 The upward flow of the bubbles will create a vacuum in the tube that will have a pulling resistance on the floats as well as they will have a resistance on the curve when they flow against the floats.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2008, 03:39:31 PM »
The upward flow of the bubbles will create a vacuum in the tube that will have a pulling resistance on the floats as well as they will have a resistance on the curve when they flow against the floats.

Nightlife

 Look closer at the tube, it is not solid there is still a gap for the devices to ride through. Water is dispersed from the tube by the bubbles. This makes it less buoyant so the weighted floats can go down easy so the lifting side has full buoyancy for the lift to create the rotation. The only true problem is can I get enough bubbles to make the process work with in the closed loop of the design.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2008, 05:35:03 PM »
@ ABhammer,

I mean what Farid suggest. But my idea is a little bit modificated. I didn't thought to press air in the vessel but softballs (balls filled up with air).
If they are risen in the vessel they could fall down outside the vessel. But the key is how is it possible to get them in the vessel. The idea with a compressor or an air pump could be efficient enough.

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Offline nightlife

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2008, 01:26:41 AM »
AB Hammer, any upward or downward flow will create a current in the direction of the flow and the current will act like a suction. Some examples would be the effects of a sinking ship and the effects of the rising of the ship after it has sunk.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2008, 03:01:35 AM »
AB Hammer, any upward or downward flow will create a current in the direction of the flow and the current will act like a suction. Some examples would be the effects of a sinking ship and the effects of the rising of the ship after it has sunk.

Greetings Nightlife

 Since you have been looking at sinking ships, you need to look at how bubbles can sink ships as well.

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Offline truth

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2008, 07:34:28 AM »
The best way to make short work of this project is to just use compressed air to TEST the "sinking ship effect" in the tube.
My guess is that you will actually create a flow with the air moving the water upward in the tube, and that flow will INCREASE the buoyant effect in the tube causing the floats to sink on the side outside the tube.

Ships sink because A BIG BUBBLE rises under them. The bubble lets gravity move the ship down to the bottom of the bubble and then allows water to collapse from the side walls of the bubble above the ship. The ship is sunk because the top of the ship is not waterproof under pressure.

Just my amateur attempt at thinking about your clever idea.

A pump that runs off of it's own discharge is just like a battery that runs a motor and generator that charges the battery.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2008, 03:24:26 PM »
The best way to make short work of this project is to just use compressed air to TEST the "sinking ship effect" in the tube.
My guess is that you will actually create a flow with the air moving the water upward in the tube, and that flow will INCREASE the buoyant effect in the tube causing the floats to sink on the side outside the tube.

Ships sink because A BIG BUBBLE rises under them. The bubble lets gravity move the ship down to the bottom of the bubble and then allows water to collapse from the side walls of the bubble above the ship. The ship is sunk because the top of the ship is not waterproof under pressure.

Just my amateur attempt at thinking about your clever idea.

A pump that runs off of it's own discharge is just like a battery that runs a motor and generator that charges the battery.

 Very good; truth

  An air hose test would be a good start to see if it is plausible to make it run, but I disagree with  the back flow making it more buoyant in the tube. In water you have standard buoyancy on both sides. Bubbles break up that buoyancy on the tube side which allows the other side to become the lifting power. You have dense water and less dense water due to bubbles. 

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2008, 05:29:45 PM »
@ ab hammer,

Usually I am the one with an idea and others are doing this easy part of finding problems, so I am grinning on this one.

Remember our friend Brian?  He was so concerned about keeping his tanks together to avoid drag in the dense water. Mass displacing a more dense mass due to the buoyant force of gravity must exchange positions with an equal volume of the more dense mass in order to do the work of rising or sinking..

Now that being said, do you consider a bubble to be a mass?
Also, Will that bubble be compressed?
And last, will many bubbles pass through the confined area in the tube AROUND one of those floats, OR will they bump into it and each other to form a larger compressed air bubble around the entire bottom of the float upwards?
Will those bigger compressed air masses be compressed to equal the pressure at the depth they are currently at?
Now, if the pressure of the water and the air is equal and all gases are fluids will the only forces active in the tube be the pressure differences at the bottom and top of each mass caused by the difference in depth and gravity?

Have you ever seen a bubble in a sick persons IV tube? It is easy to release more fluid from above and press the bubble out the bottom, but very difficult to wiggle the hose and get the bubble to rise. If two bubbles touch you get one larger one.

Unfortunately, like most OU ideas if you make the idea workable (air compressor @ 100 PSI) the more fundamental problems become more visible.

The ship sinks only at the surface of the water because the pressure of that huge bubble is reduced to1 atmosphere at the surface just like all of the other air above the surface which is why the walls colapse above the ship.

Creativity is best directed rather than extinguished.

I hope my hillbilly understanding and explanation is helpful. Thank God for the spell checker on here!



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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2008, 11:56:41 PM »
Truth,
This invention was discredited 5 minuets after it was posted.

My invention was posted over 2 months ago and still no one has discredited it.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2008, 12:46:04 AM »
Truth,
This invention was discredited 5 minuets after it was posted.

My invention was posted over 2 months ago and still no one has discredited it.

::) ::) ::)

brian334 and you are just in denial from the first second. The only claim I maid is if (IF!) you can get enough bubbles it would work. A matter of fact if you can't eliminate the buoyancy effect on one side you will never get any of them to work.

truth
 Water tends to have a mild shield effect thus the need to spray water onto water to break up the surface for a diver from the high dive to soften the entry. If you read back you will see I was in the US Coast Guard and a witness to bubbles sinking a harbor tug in the Mississippi river.
A bubble goes up by the least path of resistance. You are talking all to small when you are talking about a medical tube on an IV. The Bubble fills the complete second of the tube and there is no escape, the fluid reaction keeps it in place. The only problem is to get enough bubbles to the lower starting point, and that is the only question to debunk this design. You need to look closer at the design and you will see there is more to the design than meets the glancing eye. Pay attention to the sub notes on each page. The float is weighted and is only 1/2 the size of the tube with a slot in it for the arms to move through.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2008, 01:11:30 AM »
@ AB hammer,

I have witnessed things that are not believed by others that were not present, so I will not dispute your account of the sinking experience.

It would be very interesting to know the outcome of that air compressor test.

Do you have plans to build that portion of the device?

I have been reading the gravity mill thread with great interest.

That thread would do our friend Brian a lot of good in understanding what he is dealing with.


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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2008, 03:01:17 AM »
truth

 Well loosing a months of work due to pneumonia, is making it difficult to build a large design for now but it is in the list to build and I will give it the air hose first and report on the effect. For the blower design will take me a bit to build.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2008, 04:07:53 AM »
Truth,
This invention was discredited 5 minuets after it was posted.

My invention was posted over 2 months ago and still no one has discredited it.


Actually, if you check the very beginning of that thread, you will see that the second post already discredited it completely. And it was discredited in many other ways by several other posters in that thread as well.
Your denial of reality, brian, when the evidence is there for all to see, is really amazing.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2008, 12:30:03 AM »
No it was not, you made general statements why buoyancy machines can’t work.
Mr. Hammer’s machine was criticized in detail from the very beginning.
No general statements about buoyancy machines.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2008, 11:25:53 PM »
brian334

 Their has not been any proof of not working with my design, just opinions on why they don't think it will work. Allot of these guys I communicate privately. They would love me to prove them wrong, but only the build will prove anything. The same thing with your design, you have your critics and now you have to prove them wrong by a build, or fade away to something else.

 

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