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Author Topic: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles  (Read 33997 times)

Offline helmut

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2008, 07:24:31 PM »
In the air line, once the water is out it will be easy to keep out, while running. Here is another drawing.

I will be working on the blower design to fit the needs of this system. These drawings will have to be more precise for construction, so they may take a bit of time.
This is exact the solution according to your presentation, that i wrote to Gustav Pese a view hours ago.
So lets hope, that it will work as assumed.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2008, 09:29:51 PM »
The energy cost of pushing air into the air bubble tube is not the only obstacle.

Another obstacle, which is just as significant, is the energy required to move a float from the air bubble tube into solid water.  This is where every flotation-based free energy plan fails.  People assume that the float can just get sucked into the water with little effort, but it costs quite a bit of energy to push a float into the water, and after frictional losses, it always costs more energy to do this than can be gotten out of the rising float.

utilitarian

Very good point to look at. The answer to at least softening this problem is again the bubbles. As the bubbles from the tube are boiling up the float goes into a much less restrictive entry. It breaks up the surface of the water. Now for out of the bubbles to the lifting side, the bubbles have to go to at least the 5:30 position so the float is in the start of the lift zone. So the most important approach to achieve is to make sure we have the bubbles and if so. We will have a runner.

helmut

 I am glad to see you like the idea and as well thinking in the same direction. It is now time for me to design the blower to make sure it can make the bubbles to run it's self.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2008, 09:49:09 PM »
G'day all,

Interesting idea Alan. I am not so sure that air bubbles would be the solution, for reasons Stefan outlined. There are other, perhaps better ways, to create bubbles. A heating element to boil the water and have steam bubbles rising might be one option, ultrasonic cavitation another. Both these systems are better equipped to deal with the hydrostatic pressure.

Perhaps worth exploring.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2008, 10:13:22 PM »
Greeting Hans

 Some of what sent me in this direction was looking at what buoyancy devices had the most trouble with. I also have known that the release of air under a boat can sink the boat. I have also witnessed it happen with a harbor tug between the current and mixed air/gasses and it went down. (no loss of life) I see this may be the only way to get this type to work. alternatives for the descending side should be looked at to lessen the resistance. If nothing else, I believe this opens up a new possible direction in this long search for perpetual motion.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2008, 01:15:26 AM »
cool idea!

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2008, 07:56:58 PM »
cool idea!

Well FreeEnergy;
 You have been on me to post more of my ideas, and I am glad you like this one. But of course in this game there are no guarantees. I still have to make sure I have a good air source for the bubbles and keep it moving.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2008, 09:50:04 AM »
Well FreeEnergy;
 You have been on me to post more of my ideas, and I am glad you like this one. But of course in this game there are no guarantees. I still have to make sure I have a good air source for the bubbles and keep it moving.

:)

the air source for the bubble(s) should probably be spread out evenly surrounding its object to sink with.

have you tried having the source of air bubbles begin at the top with its object to sink with? instead of at the bottom of a water tank?

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2008, 02:51:17 PM »
:)

the air source for the bubble(s) should probably be spread out evenly surrounding its object to sink with.

have you tried having the source of air bubbles begin at the top with its object to sink with? instead of at the bottom of a water tank?


FreeEnergy

 The reason for the tube track is to keep the bubbles in a single location and since all bubbles go up they will boil the top of the water. Some people feel that the bubbles going up will cause a back flow to the weighted floats but the bubbles are only air escaping the water which means less buoyancy and in truth the water will stay down except for the splashing at the top.  Over on Besslers Wheel murilo and I have been talking bubble types for best use.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2008, 01:46:36 AM »
DEAR AB,

WHAT ABOUT PUTTING THE BUBBLER ON THE FLOATER ITSELF AND HAVING ONE SIDE BUBBLE (SINK) WHILE THE OTHER SIDE FLOATS?

Thane

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2008, 02:41:12 AM »
Why even have the floats?  If you can push air bubbles underwater for so little energy, all you need to do is recapture the energy of the rising bubbles.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2008, 03:06:20 AM »
DEAR AB,

WHAT ABOUT PUTTING THE BUBBLER ON THE FLOATER ITSELF AND HAVING ONE SIDE BUBBLE (SINK) WHILE THE OTHER SIDE FLOATS?

Thane

CRANKYpants

 I don't think that will help for the need is to reduce the density of the water. Not to mention the all the extra lines that would be needed and you would loose allot.

Why even have the floats?  If you can push air bubbles underwater for so little energy, all you need to do is recapture the energy of the rising bubbles.

utilitarian

The system depends on the buoyancy of the ascending side to run the blower to create the bubbles. If successful it will be able to create more bubbles than needed to make the tube track full of bubbles making the anti-buoyancy effect. If this works it will run.

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2008, 09:23:48 AM »
Alan,

hurry up and build. The suspense is killing me!

D

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2008, 11:04:42 AM »
Why even have the floats?  If you can push air bubbles underwater for so little energy, all you need to do is recapture the energy of the rising bubbles.

Absolutely. That's the main point ....
Cheers!

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2008, 01:49:51 PM »
Hi all,

Sorry for the crude design (printer is out of order)

I feel it'll all ballance out.  >:(

Bummer !!

PS..My other Grav OU generator is near completion, one weel to go! ..,,,I hope all my rosaries weren't in vain.  ;D

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Re: Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2008, 02:30:37 PM »
Alan,

hurry up and build. The suspense is killing me!

D

D

Sorry, but due to another presentation of another invention that I am prepping for it may take 2 or 3 weeks before I have the time to play with it. So please be patient, my hands are full.


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I repeat.

utilitarian

The system depends on the buoyancy of the ascending side to run the blower to create the bubbles. If successful it will be able to create more bubbles than needed to make the tube track full of bubbles making the anti-buoyancy effect. If this works it will run.

sevich

 Yes your drawing is crude but most of mine are at first as well, until I clean them up. But take a closer look at what you have drawn. You are trying to make a bubble with a bubble so to speak.  This is the part that science kicks our butts on, and why they say perpetual motion or over unity is impossible. Sorry but a good try. Even mine may not work, but it is a new approach.


 

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