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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: Oxygon on April 05, 2005, 02:10:08 AM

Title: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: Oxygon on April 05, 2005, 02:10:08 AM
Here is an idea I had a good while ago...

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6826#6826

the basic idea is...

the inner magnet is always in position according to the inner circle field polarity... (varies by design)

the outer magnet acts as a "lever" and twist the arm to the closest possible outer field proximity...

when it gets to close, the inner magnet "shoots" accross to the other side... changing the "axis"...

Also the momentum of the whole thing wipping around would overcome any inhibiting forces...

Please feel free to respond...
Title: Re: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: TechStuf on April 05, 2005, 04:16:27 AM
Quite novel approach but it has an achilles, or should I say 'peregrinus heal'.  In this case, your perceived leverage advantage actually helps hinder efficiency.  But with your level of creativity I wouldn't be surprised if you find some interesting new concepts hidden in the model you have there.  Build it and see.

TS

 :)
Title: Re: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: hartiberlin on April 05, 2005, 02:01:36 PM
Looks pretty interesting !
Are there also at the outer rim magnets ?
Or is it only a rotating  mass ?
The inner magnet "switching" axis change is very
smart ! Well done !

Looking forward to see a built model.
Yes, I think, only with the help of magnets could a
"gravity wheel" be built !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: BushWacker on April 16, 2005, 07:17:05 AM
Hi Oxygon,

    I don't want to sound like a knowitall so please don't take this that way okay?
It's just that your idea looks similar to something I tried many years ago, except by using very fine circular gears. I placed a ring of magnets all in opposing mode, eg; all alike poles faces inward. Then I used a piece of hard sturdy plastic which I drilled a center hole in, over the magnetic ring assembly. Next I placed the larger of two small plastic gears dead center on a metal axial which I set in the center hole.  I then took the second smaller gear and fixed an arm to a smaller metal axial which was placed through the smaller gear, and fixed the other end of the arm to the center axial of the larger center gear. I then took a simple popcycle stick, drill a small hole in the middle of the stick, and placed a single magnet on one end of the stick. By barely moving the popcycle stick, the single magnet would sometimes spin all the way around the ring assembly with quite a bit of velocity. I always thought that if a person could use the initial centrifical force of the moving magnet on the stick, and perhaps use a very light spring or flywheel which would capture enough intitial energy from the motion of the single magnet, that one might be able to keep the thing going indefinately. It's not far off from what your showing there from what I'm getting from your animation. But, I could be reading it wrong, I have been known to make mistakes from time to time, lol. Keep up the good fight my man.

Cheers,

Bush Wacker
Title: Re: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: joecool on May 11, 2006, 04:54:30 AM
The Sundance Generator is obviously a scam.  Anyone who has taken Physics knows these claims of generating excess power is just not possible. Don't get me wrong, I wish it was possible, however it is just untrue.  By basic laws that govern the world as we know it you can not create matter or energy! Therefore, given the laws such as conservation of momentum, energy, and matter these free energy concepts are just not possible. You can't create something from nothing. You can even think of it this way, the friction that would be generated as a result of magnetic force turning the shaft would eventually bring the rotation to a halt. There is no 100% efficient motor on the market because that's not possible either. Even if there was you would still have friction from something (et. air)!!! I don't mean to be a party pooper but it?s the truth. If you want to try and invent this stuff then I suggest you start reading up and beware of the rules in which you must follow to play the game.

Engineer
Title: Re: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: _GonZo_ on May 11, 2006, 01:59:11 PM
Well said Joecool you are going to have fun in this forum  ;D

More less every one here just think that you are wrong... not me.
Title: Re: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: gn0stik on May 22, 2006, 05:58:08 AM
The Sundance Generator is obviously a scam.  Anyone who has taken Physics knows these claims of generating excess power is just not possible. Don't get me wrong, I wish it was possible, however it is just untrue.  By basic laws that govern the world as we know it you can not create matter or energy! Therefore, given the laws such as conservation of momentum, energy, and matter these free energy concepts are just not possible. You can't create something from nothing. You can even think of it this way, the friction that would be generated as a result of magnetic force turning the shaft would eventually bring the rotation to a halt. There is no 100% efficient motor on the market because that's not possible either. Even if there was you would still have friction from something (et. air)!!! I don't mean to be a party pooper but it?s the truth. If you want to try and invent this stuff then I suggest you start reading up and beware of the rules in which you must follow to play the game.

Engineer


This is where everyone gets confused, or mislead. The invention of an over unity device would not mean we are creating energy, in fact the laws of physics would dictate that instead of creating energy we are drawing upon another form of energy, yet unknown to, or not well defined by physics. For example quantum physics, in the newer theories has posited, that there is a zero-point energy, someone WILL be the first to tap into that energy, and use it to do work. The casimir effect shows that it is possible to use it to do work on very small scales. Then there is atmospheric energy, if we could somehow utilize the charge in the atmosphere, or what is generated by the rotation of the earth and it's core, we would NOT be creating energy. It would just mean we are very efficient at harnessing magnetic force to create electricity.
Title: Re: "Axial Flux" Concept
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 15, 2006, 10:38:54 AM
funny i didn't catch this thread. really like the idea. again gotta build it and see.


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