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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: sirmikey1 on October 08, 2008, 04:32:59 AM
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Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter AKA: Gray's Tube, Swiss Testatica Secret
Notes Below Taken from Peter Lindemann's Movie Presentation
"The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity"
(Link removed by Moderator... Please don´t post hacked copyrighted materials)
The current magnifying transmitter is an air-core, multiple-resonant transformer
that can generate very high KV voltages. Tesla originally termed it self-regenerative
resonant transformer, a term that is no longer in general use.
Tesla accidently discovered an electrostatic supercharging effect, while
trying to verify Hertz discovery of magnetic waves. Learned how to control
and maximise the phenomenon. Found that pure and gaseious etheric energy
can be fractured away from circuit. A spacially distributed voltage that
radiates away from circuit as light-like ray which charges other surfaces
in the field; an electro radiant event.
Electrical condenser discharges/explodes in inconceivably very short time,
discharge vibrations at any rate, up to millions per second, to coil forming
primary of transformer of induction coil. Characteristics and Intensities
undreamed of.
Charging capacitors with HV DC, discharging through magnetically quenched
spark gaps, at extremely high vibrations, millions per second. This was the
method Operating his magnifying transmitter, and this is the process which
produces and captures radiant energy. Perpendicular to flow of current.
Produces a spacially distributed voltage thousands of times higher than
initial spark voltage. Produces Longitudnal electrostatic light-like ray,
behaves like incompressable gas.
Electro-radiant solely characterised by impulse duration. Penetrate all
materials, create responses, electron movements. Electro radiant impulses
shorter than 100ms are completely safe to handle, will not cause harm. Impulses
shorter than 100ns are cold, cause lighting effects in vacuum globes. This Gain
mechanism is the basis of his magnifying transmitter. A means to control the impulse
duration.
Tesla tower was planned to power entire earth. Gray's device was planned
to power your home. Both were using the magnifying transformer.
Negative entrophy: Dead Short spark causes extreme amplification. Coil to
Magnetically Quenched Spark Gap (ether gas).
Electricity is an Incompressable fluid.
Tesla himself told us in his patents that their are two diffrent types or particles.
One is electron other is aether. If you block electron via a super fast charge gap
with over 1 million cycles and 100KV then cold electricity appear from the pure
flux of aether. No electron can go that fast. So the thing is purify the electron from
the aether. This can be done only via a spark with smaller duration than 10 MHz.
So all your curcuits are useless in this realm. If you know some cercuit with more
than 10Mhz to make also high voltages then tell me.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat593138.pdf
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat645576.pdf
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat00787412.pdf
List of Tesla patents (patent list)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_patents
Cal
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I think there's a mix-up about the frequencies...
Tesla observed distinct colour changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed:
- trains of impulses each exceeding 0.1 ms duration produced pain and mechanical pressures, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along, thin wires exploded into vapour.
- pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 us or less were produced, could not be sensed and were safe, passing through all matter regardless of composition.
- with impulses of 1 us duration strong physiological heat was sensed
- further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum gloves with white light, appearance of effects inherent in sunlight.
Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with accompanying uplift in mood and awareness.
I do not believe that these effects are far from reality. Personally I do not have an environment and resources to try and replicate on that level, I wish I did. If Tesla has done it 100 years ago, we can do it today. After all he did leave us enough text about it...
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Amigo,
Paul Bowman (Swiss Testatica) and EV Gray (Gray's Tube) have
already replicated the device, but have kept it secret. The video I mentioned
above, Lindemann gives clear explanation on replication, and so hopefully
the journey will now begin (prominence).
Regarding such a toy box, KV transformers are easy to find, but how does
one find pulse width modulators of such duration? Would the standard toy
plasma tube power supply be anything close? The conversion tube and
condensor seem relatively simple to duplicate.
I just want to see Tesla's white spiked spark rod.
Cheers
SM
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I often wonder about it as well and by our standards Tesla used primitive means. All he had available to him were inductors and capacitors, the devices of his time. There were no semiconductor or any other fancy technology that we have today.
And yet, with just those two he was able to concoct multipurpose devices (for example that Ozone producing apparatus where the motor acts like an inductance, air mover and a rotary disruptor is just ingenious).
Let's not forget that he was building custom motors for his experiments, custom vacuum bulbs and what not. How many of us can afford that luxury (or go that far). We need something - we go and buy it in a store. It's already pre-made for us, which is a blessing on one hand, and a curse on the other because it is not customized to the specific circuit or device but more generic.
Perhaps it would be worth while looking into rotary spark-gaps and rotary disruptors as means of achieving short impulses. It appears that the spark gap is the only device to my knowledge that bridges the aetheric and magnetic realms, allowing the passing of the first and blocking the later.
What we need is a modern device that can achieve the same effects, if such thing is possible, because spark-gaps aren't really practical anymore, in my humble opinion...
I think I'm starting to ramble...it's late so I'll call it a night. :)
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Tesla Wrote:
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto06.html
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Nicola Tesla History Video 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csJQwlsNnDE
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hi everyone good day ;D
One effect of Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter is to disturb or make a big oscillation or wave in the atmosphere.
Nowadays we have a lot of many kinds of transmitters, wow we are very lucky.
sm's tpu is just a receiver and an amplifier of what he received.
I believe that this is the great secret of Nikola tesla rediscovered by moray, hubbard etc.... sm.
Tesla's real purpose and dream of magnifying transmitter is to light the world without wires, using antenna only, that's why they suppressed the technology.
Tesla used an antenna in his electric car, and he says to his nephew that it can power up his house using this tech.
In that time there are already running radio station right?
Therefore I conclude that there is really a real way to amplify small kicks right? 8)
AND THAT IS THE REAL SECRET " THE AMPLIFICATION "
so if you have questions to sm or anyone claiming that they already solved this mystery then here is what you should ask:
"HOW TO AMPLIFY SMALL KICKS RECEIVED FROM ANTENNA EASILY?"
i bet they will not teach you that! EVEN TESLA AND ME SORRY ;D
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS VERY EASY!!
Thank you very much!
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Above someone wrote that all these devices that are not producing above a certain freq are useless. Lets take a look at a pulse motor. Is the reverse emf spike not possibly in that freq range to qualify? Air core? Does a joule thief fall into this category of uselessness? Can the spike from a pulse motor be used to kick a "Tito Power Amplifier"? On that one Tito said yes to once before. Thanks Teets. =]
I think Tito can safely anwser that one, due to it wont be an answer of how to amplify power.
I have thought of ways to use a batteries potential(spring) without draining it. Cap in series, etc.
There may be an internal resonant freq in the battery itself. Like a particular freq that allows the battery to accept charge easier than other freq. or even DC. Maybe.
But the amplifying of power is key. Has anyone actually built Don Smiths device here? Probably if they did, and it works, "The Silence of Tito" occurs. No offense Teets, Just a fair example of what probably happens.
In fact I remember reading that Tito promised to do a video back in the beginning, but promises are worth nill this day and age. And after all he learned here. But that is the OU world as we know it. Some do give, and some gave a lot. Some gave their lives. =[ Thanks to all of you who gave. =] I give a fair share I believe, for my level in this. More on YT and Fizzx, Im newer here.
Don Smith says that a Tesla coil setup, of the well known kind, would amplify voltage AND current if the primary were set in the middle of the secondary, instead of the bottom or off center. So that would, or could be easy to try. No? I dont have a Tesla coil at this time. They are not that hard to come by or build. And Tesla shows a few air core center placed primaries as transformers. That is an ozone pat. area to look at as it might relate to Don Smiths device.
In fact some of you out there maybe have one. Have you tried this?
I wonder what the sparks would look like with the current amplified also?
Teets, any comment on the color of that spark as compared to just voltage amplification at those freq.? Hmmm? =] Not to mention the jolt you might receive from it. Danger as Tito says.
I think you have it most likely Tito. Thanks for the guidance thus far.
Tito says zener diode too, but, well how big do they make those suckers, come to just think about that, ill have a looky.
Magluvin
Maybe WE Will Light The World Someday =]
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"Electricity" is defined as "Electron Movement", which ain't the whole story.
Thats a fact. There is a wave interaction also. 2 wires running close to each other in parallel. The source current conductor introduces capacitance into the return wire. That has to be creating a wave interaction in my opinion. The understanding of the electromagnetic spectrum as I see it is the fundamental for energy. From what Ive read it only takes 3 frequency's of the em spectrum to produce white light. Thats an infinite number of combination's. There is a set parameter from high to low on the known electromagnetic spectrum. Each frequency interacts with the other which affects the whole. The visible spectrum seems to repeat itself so the others,xrays,gamma rays etc, may also repeat. By accident sitting on my screened in porch with binoculars I noticed this. I searched for a month for pictures of it and could not find anything. So I took a picture with my digital camera. The clarity is not good as I dont have a binocular type lens. This is off the bumper of my car. The most intense and vivid one I saw was off a small sliver handle on my pump relay.
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here is what you should ask:
"HOW TO AMPLIFY SMALL KICKS RECEIVED FROM ANTENNA EASILY?"
i bet they will not teach you that! EVEN TESLA AND ME SORRY ;D
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS VERY EASY!!
Bearing in mind the mess that humanity is in, it is hard to see how anybody
who had the key could justify not getting it out to as many people as possible
as soon as possible.
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@all
Must of the time, when somebody says that he has something that everybody wants and needs but he cant show it, is just boasting and has nothing.
Because if he truly could not tell it he would not advertise it in order to call attention.
Jesus
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The antenna must be connected to active coherer.Receive,amplify and then re-transmit at lower frequency. Then adjust many passive receivers in series around transmitter (or tranceiver) connect them in parallel.
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Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter.
Tesla was interested in Resonance.
The Magnifiying Transmitter was all about Resonance.
The definition of a Resonant System is...
A small driving force causes a large oscillation in a second object at it's resonant frequency
Essentially there are three steps to Tesla's Dream.
1. Two towers on exact opposite sides of the world.
2. A resonant standing wave set up between them (around the entire world)
3. Tuning coils (to gather energy) at the nodes of said Resonant Standing Wave.
An easy demonstration of how resonance can AMPLIFY energy is the comparison of an acoustic guitar to an unplugged electric guitar.
The Acoustic Guitar is about 1000 times louder than an unplugged electric, and rings longer to boot.
The Acoustic Chamber amplifies the sound by Storing Energy and Vibrating at an Amplitude congruent to the Stored Energy.
Best Regards,
The Observer
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I've told you all before actually making a working device.it's because I'm poor and ill and have no place to work with that.
Basically you have to make a rolling snowball.When snowball is becoming larger it cohere more and more energy. Exponential feedback.
Require
1. Resonant circuit adjusted to special frequency harmonic (vide : TPU and Steven Mark comments)
2. Exponential feedback.The more it gets the stronger it reacts.
Like a swing whcih become heavier after each period of oscillation.
Tito said you that, but actual implementation is hard to make.
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Perhaps it would be worth while looking into rotary spark-gaps and rotary disruptors as means of achieving short impulses. It appears that the spark gap is the only device to my knowledge that bridges the aetheric and magnetic realms, allowing the passing of the first and blocking the later.
What we need is a modern device that can achieve the same effects, if such thing is possible, because spark-gaps aren't really practical anymore, in my humble opinion...
I think I'm starting to ramble...it's late so I'll call it a night. :)
The microwave oven oscillator is a very quick rotary spark gap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron)
http://www.upv.es/gcm/docente/magnetron.html (http://www.upv.es/gcm/docente/magnetron.html)
I don't want the planet turned inside out by a billion crazed free energy seekers either.
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@all
Must of the time, when somebody says that he has something that everybody wants and needs but he cant show it, is just boasting and has nothing.
Because if he truly could not tell it he would not advertise it in order to call attention.
Jesus
oh well, is that so? ;D
yes i'm boasting and has nothing ;D
i do not advertise it, i'm just giving all some info.
ok just forget it!
i think i have gave everything i could possibly give
i apologize to all that i made them mad and thank you to all person that are good to me ;D
don't worry this is now my last post. cause i'm now so very busy.
note: i'm not selling free energy ok! >:(
so looooong fel
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@ tito
since you a tesla fan
check these out.. tell me what you think....
http://www.youtube.com/user/koolerization (http://www.youtube.com/user/koolerization)
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A Correction regarding my post above about how the Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter worked.
(apparently, the time allotted for editing a post is limited)
Essentially there are three steps to Tesla's Dream.
1. Two towers on exact opposite sides of the world.
2. A resonant standing wave set up between them (around the entire world)
3. Tuning coils (to gather energy) at the nodes of said Resonant Standing Wave.
#3 was mistated.
It is the anti-nodes that do all the moving and the nodes that stand still.
So #3 should read....
3. Tuning coils (to gather energy) at the anti-nodes of said Resonant Standing Wave.
Sorry if I caused any confusion.
Season's Greetings,
The Observer
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Sirmikey1
The pat. pic of the pancake coil on the ant. circuit in your first post caught my eye. I played a bit with these coils and was not much impressed, for my tests anyway, but that pic, I see the secondary pickup wound at the outer edge of that pancake. Is it possible that the magnetic field of the pancake coil is concentrated at the outer edge of the coil? If so then my experiments with them were worthless. I have seen TK's vids testing of a bifi cake coil vs a regular cake coil, but he did not test them like this pic shows. I have not messed with it yet, but that pic got me thinking. Has anyone?
Magthinks
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Tesla new about resonance and the ability to create huge oscillations of power from a relatively small input over time.
This is not overunity by any means but it is a way to store energy. Millions of horsepower if not more can be stored in a resonant circuit with a phased input. So if we put a watt into a resonant circuit for a second after an hour we have 3600 watts of power in the circuit. Thats about 4 or 5 horsepower. Then freeze it. We have a capacitor charged up to voltages thousands of times the input voltage. or we have a magnetic field density in the tesla's compared to the ambient field density. Now we have some relativity to the ambient fields. Can we make things happen that we couldnt with the small power scource. Say we connect one side of our capacitor to another capacitor. Then the other side of this capacitor to ground. When the primary oscillator capacitor plate goes positive so will the new capacitor plate. It will be well over ground. There will be a current established in the second circuit as the capacitor positive plate pulls negative charge from the Earth. How does this effect our primary oscillations. If it does can't we just adjust our inductance to accomodate the magnification or enlargement of the oscillator.
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So this resonant setup, does it have to be above certain freq to get this build up storage? What I am getting at is, can a pulse motor say of 5000 rpms, with 10 pulses per rotation, be the ticker for a resonator of 830hz?
Or do we have to have ridiculously high voltage and freq to accomplish this?
Thanks Sparks
Mags
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Mk1 has issued a complaint about 300 pages missing from a thread, then conceded that it was a mistake by him once he found that the number of posts per page was changed.
I have a problem with this as may others. Doing so changes links to pages people refer to. Funny thing is, I referred a link to the first page of this thread at Fizzx to point out a pic of Teslas use of a pancake coil, and now the link goes to page 2 of the thread which doesnt have the pic on it.
Does this happen all the time here? Can I not rely on a page to reflect a link that was posted so all whom are interested in what I refer to, to be there only 1 day later?
What about links from a month ago that others refer to, are they not the same anymore and all those previous links must be edited to re associate?
Please answer as to what is going one here.
Magluvins unreliable links
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Voltage rise in a resonant circuit allows the sytem to handle more power in a smaller field. A capacitor charged to 30kv is real good at giving instantaneous current flows of millions of amps. Amperage equals e divided by r. If the r is lowered to a milliohm then you get alot of current flow. Not for along time but millions of amps is alot of juice. Magnetic flux is equal to ampere turns. Has nothing to do with voltage. A million amps going through a few hundred turns is alot of magnetic field flux storage also.
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@all
Referent to the pages link changes.
To avoid the situation just right click on the post heading and chose copy shortcut from the menu shown on screen.
Then right click on the post you are making and select paste.
The exact link to the post you want to give to your readers will appear.
This way even if the pages arrangement is changed the post message link will stay the same.
If the message was at page 1 and then changed to page 40, the link to it never changes.
Jesus
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Voltage rise in a resonant circuit allows the sytem to handle more power in a smaller field. A capacitor charged to 30kv is real good at giving instantaneous current flows of millions of amps. Amperage equals e divided by r. If the r is lowered to a milliohm then you get alot of current flow. Not for along time but millions of amps is alot of juice. Magnetic flux is equal to ampere turns. Has nothing to do with voltage. A million amps going through a few hundred turns is alot of magnetic field flux storage also.
brilliant!
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@ tito
since you a tesla fan
check these out.. tell me what you think....
http://www.youtube.com/user/koolerization (http://www.youtube.com/user/koolerization)
well, its better but this is not the thing i am referring to, sorry but for me its a mesh :D
using this method most likely you are just amplifying voltage am i right?
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Couldn't help but notice the number of turns in the Tesla's circuit.
So we all live in a plasma and this circuit is a pump for that plasma. Then it's DC, right? This is his shuttle circuit theory then, isn't it?
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Thanks for clearing that up Jesus. ;D I did not know that. But it did mess with my mind a bit as to the whys of it all. Im probably not the only 1 that doesnt know about what you described. Thanks and have a Merry Christmas.
And Merry Christmas to all! ;D
AngryScientist
It is possible that the drawing reflects the actual no. of windings or ratio differences, maybe one side is a particular freq and the other different. My guess would be that the 2 smaller coils are to be the same. If it did really reflect the no. of turns, try counting that pancake over there. lol. But that was a good observation.
Tito
Merry Christmas. Hey, you can give out big extention cords for presents this year an let them hook up to your grid. ;D Just kidding, happy holidays Teets. Good to see your back.
Sparks
That all makes sense. I get the instantaneous dump of current into the coil. But isnt some of the millions of amps you are reffering to blocked or resisted,initially by the impedance of the coil? So if a coil has a field build time of x, of which when the field reaches max, that would be the beginning of peak current flow, Then x should be 1/4 wave of the freq we want to be in resonance. Correct? Sooo, in theory, we could use these principals at lower freq and lower voltages to power smaller things, no? I know you said there is no ou there, but if we had a setup that was ou and it required these principals, does it all have to be very high freq and voltage to make these pricipals exist? Lets say ya wanted to have the device in a laptop to self power it, and these high freq and voltages may interfere with other parts of the computer, soo im just aiming for lower freq and voltage posibilities, and for many purposes. Also for health and safety reasons. ;)
Magluvin
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The trick is the rate of change. The selfinduction part of the impedance of a coil isnt a problem because this is the phenomenon that is being exploited. The sparkgap is of course in the middle of it all. This is where the conversion begins. Did you know that you can create a very nice refridgerator using magnetic fields. Tesla runs over meets Kelvin runs over and meets Crookes. Kelvin is into cold Crookes is into plasma. The magnetic field causes a compression of the aether. Upon relaxation of the magnetic field the aether expands. Upon expansion thermal energy flows into the field. Upon compression it flows out of the field. Conversion of thermal energy into electrical energy. No ands ifs or buts about it. Stars are magnetically selfconfined plasmas. Magnetically self confined plasma has a negative specific temperature. This was proven a while back by the hot fusion scientists and buried real fast. Why would you need to have fusion when you could have thermal to electrical energy conversion only limited by how fast the conduits can get the chaotic gas kinetic energy to the reactor. No pollution air goes in hot comes out cold. Endothermic reaction followed by an exothermic reaction.
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So the drum of insulation only increases the self capacitance of the extra coil slightly at low frequencies. At high frequencies, "if the points of maximum pressure should be shifted below the terminal D" then dielectric effects differ and the self capacitance of the coil increases dramatically. The coil could effectively be change from a coil to a capacitor.
The coil B is wound on a frame of drum D1 of insulating material, with its turns close together. I have discovered that when so wound the effect of the small radius of curvature of the wire itself is overcome and the coil behaves as a conductor of large radius of curvature, corresponding to the at of the drum. This feature is of considerable practical importance and is applicable not only in this special instance but generally.
With the ability to change the phase a high power signal I could imagine all sorts of possibilities. With two frequencies the beat freq. could be completely changed. Maybe even some DC pumping action.
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Sorry, I almost forgot.
I watch the second half of this short video. It changed my way of thinking a little bit.
MIT Physics Demo -- Dissectible Capacitor (2:55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg)
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I believe what Tesla is saying is that even though the wiregauge is real small the whole coil itself resistance wise acts as a conductor whose wire gauge would be that of the diameter of the drum. The skin effect. The longitudinal wave doesnt have to deal with the resistance of the wire it just skips from turn to turn like the whole coil is a hollow core transmission line of very very very large wire gauge. Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies. Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance. Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea. They didnt buy it and so now they rectify the ac coming out of the plants and send it out as hv dc. The heating losses of the semiconductors barely out weighs the the impedance losses of the transmission lines. They got nothing better to do than waste money so what the hell.
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I believe what Tesla is saying is that even though the wiregauge is real small the whole coil itself resistance wise acts as a conductor whose wire gauge would be that of the diameter of the drum. The skin effect. The longitudinal wave doesnt have to deal with the resistance of the wire it just skips from turn to turn like the whole coil is a hollow core transmission line of very very very large wire gauge.
Right, just skips from turn to turn. But can the degree of that effect be changed? I want to change the timing and position of nodes and maximal. It would be of enormous benefit.
Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies. Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance. Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea. They didnt buy it and so now they rectify the ac coming out of the plants and send it out as hv dc. The heating losses of the semiconductors barely out weighs the the impedance losses of the transmission lines. They got nothing better to do than waste money so what the hell. (http://Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies. Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance. Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea. They didnt buy it and so now they rectify the ac coming out of the plants and send it out as hv dc. The heating losses of the semiconductors barely out weighs the the impedance losses of the transmission lines. They got nothing better to do than waste money so what the hell.)
They do pay some attention to that fact. We as consumers don't and we could save some money if we did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor)
Because of the costs of larger equipment and wasted energy, electrical utilities will usually charge a higher cost to industrial or commercial customers where there is a low power factor.
Linear loads with low power factor (such as induction motors) can be corrected with a passive network of capacitors or inductors. Non-linear loads, such as rectifiers, distort the current drawn from the system. In such cases, active or passive power factor correction may be used to counteract the distortion and raise power factor. The devices for correction of power factor may be at a central substation, or spread out over a distribution system, or built into power-consuming equipment.
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Bearing in mind the mess that humanity is in, it is hard to see how anybody
who had the key could justify not getting it out to as many people as possible
as soon as possible.
I think radioactivity is proof of over unity. I wouldn't want to spread this.
I think I see what you mean though. I think we'll learn, in the end, that this or any other key, will unlock something beautiful, but completely destructive.
Tesla's spark gap machine, reminds me of the way an aging atom throws an alpha or beta particle ..in beta cells, such as a radium tipped electrode in a hollow silvered sphere, this is essentially what is happening. I think it notable that the rate at which something decays relative to the amount of material decaying creates the apparition of current pulses ( in radioactive decay - as mentioned, this is voltage differentials ) a similar thing is happening.
Tesla is just scaling the atom up to the size of a transmitter and using stable materials to replicate this effect. The receiver is thus shaped as the transmitter ( and as a result ) ..this makes one machine tend to the other as if one decaying atom tends to the environment around it.
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The problem with power factor is that the watt meters dont catch the reactive power circulated. Because the wattmeter is designed to monitor voltage and current in phase and report this as wattage they miss the reactive power flow they have to circulate un monitored. They dont bother with small end users but if you have a welding operation or anything else where the outofphase energy to the plant is appreciable they have a special meter for you.
@Jadaro
What the hell is the difference between beta and accelerated electrons anyway? Wave particle duality stuff. Oh ya I forgot the neutrino bullshit. These mysterious little things are everywhere react with nothing weigh nothing but they exist because they make the math come out right so we dont have to deal with infinite values. OK as long as it makes you happy.
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@Jadaro
What the hell is the difference between beta and accelerated electrons anyway? Wave particle duality stuff. Oh ya I forgot the neutrino bullshit. These mysterious little things are everywhere react with nothing weigh nothing but they exist because they make the math come out right so we dont have to deal with infinite values. OK as long as it makes you happy.
Lets see: Beta radiation is an electron, alpha is a helium nucleus ..all are named because they are atomic pieces moving at high speed. the named radiation DOES react with the environment..
Let's say we have a dieing atom, and it beta decays, it send an electron somewhere, and lets say that it impacts a conductor - a charge difference is created between the two which can be used to power something is the number of beta emissions is excessive enough to be noticeable ( a large amount of radioactive material ).
Well, the same stuff may also undergo alpha decay, and do the dame thing. The combined effects make thermonuclear betavoltaics possible.
Just as well, with regard to the Tesla spark gap - .. The transmitter is sending pulses, the receiver is getting them ( apparently because of the likeness of the device.
Well, ultimately, the atomic particles are all the same, they just exist in different proportions to form the elements. The case is, if I have two like atoms, and one beta decays before another, and the beta particle strikes the as-yet-decayed atom, then a voltage difference will exist between them ..and if I were stupid enough to try to make a circuit that small, it would generate electricity for me ( for that fraction of a second ).
This pulse is similar to tesla's spark gap device. His observations on the effects can be paralleled to how we perceive radiation ( from sound waves all the way up to...infinity ( as you are so annoyed by ) ... and as he notes, there is a comfortable realm in which the emissions of his device operates, just as there is a comfortable realm in which we exist.
.. a neutrino is just an exotic quazi-particle. And has nothing to do with what I was talking about, and I'm not sure why you ranted on about it..
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Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies. Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance. Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea. They didnt buy it and so now they rectify the ac coming out of the plants and send it out as hv dc. The heating losses of the semiconductors barely out weighs the the impedance losses of the transmission lines. They got nothing better to do than waste money so what the hell.] Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies. Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance. Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea.
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Any unused offshoot of an AC line will be capacitive if it's length is greater than or equal to the length of the AC wave. I think these are called gimmicks. On top of that, AC lines have capacitance between them.. this is often the case with tower-based transmission lines 100kv or higher are often done in pairs of close wires. This is supposed to help overcome the issues you mention here.
edit, after re-reading your post ... i'm not sure what country you're living in, but having DC associated with transmission lines is bad, .. Edison was the one with the DC supply, and it cause so many fires ...
Well, Tesla came along with AC and the rest is history.
Who's transmissions lines carry HV DC? ...
Every once in a while, if you're traveling down a country road with the usual AC poles off in the right-of-way ..you may notice something that looks like a set of transformers ( but strangely enough, there are no houses or lead-offs. Theses are the capacitors you are talking about.
Otherwise, a transformer itself has a capacitance, and these things aren't needed all over the place. The tranformer IS the capacitor at the end of the run.
Just as tesla's receiver is; between the transmitter and receiver, there is capacitance, inductance, etc. It would be hard to ignore these things and still get away with the transmission of electricity.
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Due to self inductive losses the power companies rectify the ac filter it and send it on down transmission lines between generating plants and distant end users. The impedance of the wire is lets say greatly reduced. AC distribution was implemented due to the ease of construction of the ac transformer to supply safer operating voltages to be distributed to the end users. The transformers you see are boost transformers to overcome the resistive portion of the impedance presented by the transmission lines. The orginal dc distribution circuits generated low voltage dc at levels determined safe enough to enter households. This necessitated that each consumer be supplied with it's own run and the size of the copper conductor increasingly large determined by how far away the consumer was from the generating plant or motor generator substations. Tesla moved on from his early work with ac currents of high voltage and wanted to drive his transmission system using emwave energy instead of just charge pressure. The line no longer has any resistance to the wave energy but becomes the media through which the wave energy is conveyed. By transmitting harmonic frequencies of the transmission lines natural resonant frequency his nodes and antinodes could arise on the wire at any interval needed to be conviently connected to what he called translatory devices to do some work for us. It doesnt matter if the wire is a loop or whatever it was never intended to create a complete circuit as we now find ourselves dealing with. Westinghouse was as bad for Tesla as Edison ever thought of being. He was on Tesla's payroll and the guy is inventing stuff that obsoletes the transformers his company is making a fortune off of and still do replacing aged transformers and extending the "Devils Grid" into developing nations.
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I wasn't ranting at Jadareo but particle physics is running out of shit to come up with to explain it's failures at a grandunification theory. Enough is enough. Do we need to spend billions on Cern to proove some theoretical mathmaticians computer generated bullshit. The whole quantom physics realm of science is based on mathmatical probablities. You cant get to the essence of an event by looking at it's effects. The best gamblers I know try. They lose even when the odds are in their favor. There is the chaos element in any situation. I love it. Makes life exciting.
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I agree with Jadaro. Only AC here in the US powerlines. Edison fought for DC but Tesla prevailed with AC working with Westinghouse.
Mags
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Guys I have seen the diodes used catalogued. They call them hockey puck diodes. Special clamped heatsinks designed for highvelocity water feeds to cool the semiconductors. Checkout any industrial electronics cataloque. Uses listed as power transmission lines. One I can remember is Galco Industrial Electronics. Wakeup and smell the coffee. These people have known about emwave energy transmission systems for a long time. The problem they have is that a competing distributor of POWER would be able to supply power to users without using their wires. The Earth is has very low capacitance so to turn it into a resonant circuit we dont need a very large inductance to get it ringing. Problem is anybody could just pickup the nodes and away they go. The whole house of cards comes down including the frigging grid. Imagine a solar array in the mohave powering electric heaters in New England not polluting shit. Imagine windmills storing energy in the resonant circuit or tidal damns exciting the resonance. The oil industry becomes a plastic raw material supplier. Recycling is putting a huge dent in that need also. With abundant electrical energy you could turn anything into anything you want in plasma arc ovens. You can burn limestone right now and get more energy out than in in this developing technology. You can burn human waste in them. You can take apart any molecule or atom you want and have it form into another element or molecule in a plasma arc oven.
How long will you accept the yoke of slavery to these greedy con artists.
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Tesla method of conversion was : split electricity into longitudinal components, send them along transmission lines and combine at load. Still killing the dipole but exactly at load without line losses.That was the first stage started in 1891
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I've told you all before actually making a working device.it's because I'm poor and ill and have no place to work with that.
Basically you have to make a rolling snowball.When snowball is becoming larger it cohere more and more energy. Exponential feedback.
Require
1. Resonant circuit adjusted to special frequency harmonic (vide : TPU and Steven Mark comments)
2. Exponential feedback.The more it gets the stronger it reacts.
Like a swing whcih become heavier after each period of oscillation.
Tito said you that, but actual implementation is hard to make.
no! it is very easy if you only new how easy it is i'm telling you its just a peace of cake.
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Tito
Merry Christmas. Hey, you can give out big extention cords for presents this year an let them hook up to your grid. ;D Just kidding, happy holidays Teets. Good to see your back.
Magluvin
i'll do that soon
;D ;D ;D
Merry Christmas too ;)
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no! it is very easy if you only new how easy it is i'm telling you its just a peace of cake.
HO SO ? Does it mean I'm wrong or I'm right but actually implementing it is also easy ?
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HO SO ? Does it mean I'm wrong or I'm right but actually implementing it is also easy ?
Ya! actual implementation is very easy. a very simple arrangement.
a very simple invention!
actually we have two methods to do that but one behavior.
but there are a lot of variation when you discover that.
Merry Christmass!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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@ all
I am here also to help, but i don't want to tell that simple important thing.
I have made a lot of research in amplification, read a lot of books and i just found out the answer is very easy, i just discover that last december 9, 2009 2 am in the morning, when i kept on thinking how to amplify this two parts of electricity.
and you know what? i am the most happiest man in the world in that day.
i'm sorry if i cannot just give it right away because its my hard work.
but what i'm telling you is truth.
i actually discover or maybe rediscover the first method a long time ago, and the easy one is just this december.
the notes of tesla in colorado spring really helps a lot in maybe rediscovering that simple amplification.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
BYE ;D
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I wasn't ranting at Jadareo but particle physics is running out of shit to come up with to explain it's failures at a grandunification theory. Enough is enough. Do we need to spend billions on Cern to proove some theoretical mathmaticians computer generated bullshit. The whole quantom physics realm of science is based on mathmatical probablities. You cant get to the essence of an event by looking at it's effects. The best gamblers I know try. They lose even when the odds are in their favor. There is the chaos element in any situation. I love it. Makes life exciting.
Very true, I have heard about the diodes as well. It would be interesting to see some articles about them.
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I'm SHOCKED! :o
This knowledge is older that I thought. Look here : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5132-1872-elihu-thomson-anyone-got-document-scientific-american-1872-a.html#post78728
even Edison found it !
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@ all
I am here also to help, but i don't want to tell that simple important thing.
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i'm sorry if i cannot just give it right away because its my hard work.
but what i'm telling you is truth.
Heh, somehow I do not see it. Being here to help and withholding information are polar opposites. Either help period, or don't say anything and keep it to your self.
This bate tossing game gets a few people hooked here and there but achieves nothing. Or are you doing this for some kind of personal gratification or satisfaction (not that I care, whatever rocks your boat, as they say)?
Besides, if you REALLY think you know something important and plan to cash on it, think again. Most likely you will not be allowed to do anything commercial at all, but that would be the least of your worries at that time, as they will make sure you don't even get a chance.
If it is your hard work, as you say it, then the only way I see you can hope to be remembered by is to disseminate the knowledge freely and as widely as possible. The truth and facts can not be sequestered once they get a life of their own...
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No need to feel sorry many of us have all worked hard for all of our lives...
But in the end we do this to give and provide this is the whole reason behind hard work it is not any other reason the money we get is just a means to an end!
Take care and one day you will share with us your hard work there may be a day when the population is worthy of such a discovery but do it on your own terms when you feel is important while I can not think of a better time to share such a discovery I am sure you have your reasons I just hope it is not selfishness nor greed as it has been for some.
These are trying times in the world today I'd like to give you the Nike shoes slogan and tell you to follow it but it is a choice of your own to follow your own path I can respect that.
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I read through some of the Colorado Springs notes. Tesla makes many references to what he calls the "extra coil", even including quotes a lot of the time. One circuit was very interesting to me there. It had a dc source, not a battery as shown, and one lead went to 1 cap then to another larger cap then a coil then back to the dc source all in series. There was a make and break point just after the first cap, to the other end of the dc source.
What was interesting to me was my idea of using caps in series with battery, using the battery as a potential spring where by the dc would really never be depleted due to the cap. Well this circuit makes a whole lot of sense to my idea, and I see it has already been done. The coil in Teslas circuit is labled Primary, in which I would suspect that a secondary would be used to absorb the oscillations from the primary, but it doesnt show a secondary. But it does seem to show the use of a dc source while not depleting it because the dc cannot flow though the 1st cap, yet the charge in that cap can be used to set up oscilation in the second cap and primary by way of the make and break points.
Havent read it all, there is a lot. But Im glad I checked it out. Thanks Tito for the reference.
Magluvin
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This is one of the two ways Tito was refering to. This one is capacitive. The other is inductive. Isn't it so TIto?
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@Tito,
I have seen you playing around with people's belief and hope. Still. apart from your saying nothing you have ever demonstrated.
My oppinion is that you are a deprived geek that seeks approvement and attention by others. Get layed and stfu.
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Actually I think Tito is showing us something. True they are only clues, but the Colorado springs notes appears to be a winner. If I had not known some things to look for, the circuits in the notes may have just been bypassed, by myself, as just simple old school receiver/transmitter circuits. But the circuit I described earlier has an uncanny sense of freebe in it. I have not tried it yet, but I will atempt it soon. In the circuit, whether the make and break switching is on or off, there is never a conductive connection between the negative and positive sides of the DC source. Yet when the switching happens, currents do flow, or fluctuate, in the caps and coil, yet never depleting the dc source of current flow, but just a borrowing of the presure available.
There may have to be a resonant switching freq for it to work properly, not sure yet, but it clearly has a function without depleting the source.
Tesla was a tricky bugger. Showing without completely explaining.
Magluvin
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Tesla teaches us time and time again the correlation between the mechanical world and the electrical world. Please contemplate this. Two capacitor plates do not weigh the same amount when charged. A piece of copper wire changes physical dimensions upon being pulsed. A piece of copper wire can be visualized as a doped semiconductor. When first energised the holes in the electron valence shells are caused to move instantaneously through the atomic matrix well before any mass moves. Gravity will now accelerate one end of the wire differently then the other creating torque. The electron cloud is a reality. The cloud circulating a vacuum just like a solid matrix circulates a hole.
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My Great Grandfather was an inventor, as was my Grandfather. Gr. Grand Dad had involvements with Westinghouse back then and maybe some with Tesla. He had 2 electric motors connected at the shaft and all wires went to a box with a switch on it. Turn on the switch and give a spin of the shaft and it kept accelerating.
He had shown it around town and was soon threatened by people and was told not to show it any longer. So he tossed the box and that was the end of that. My Grandfather told me this many times. But Im not certain that the box was the key, though he made it seem that way.
But this has had me going since I was a kid. And there was no big transformers, antenna, or crazy high voltage involved, at least no streamers or lightning. So I believe that it can be done on lower voltage scales and at variable freq, if necessary at all.
But I am intent on finding out what he had going there, whether it was in the box, or the motors were built a certain way.
Magluvin
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So this is phase change with conservation of energy. Could happen if you conductor was wide enough and the field was strong enough.
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Magluvin
I want to try a resonant tank circuit but instead of just a plain old coil take an ac motor and load her down. This should stabilize the inductance part and the capacitance will have to be a capacitor bank. A small dc pulse should be enough to take care of any wave damping due to resistance of the tank. No idea yet how to limit the current oscillating between motor and cap bank though. Tesla often shows circuits where he mentions that the currents in the resonant circuit is thousands of times that of the supply current. Need some kind of current and voltage sensing to disrupt the resonance and dump the power into some lightbulbs or something to get rid of the excess otherwise I will end up with a burnt out motor winding or a blown up capacitor bank. Westinghouse found out about resonance trying to connect his alternators to transmission lines that had the right capacitance matched to the generator inductance as welll as the Colorado Springs utility suppliers
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Well now you are talking my language. I have been interested in ac induction motors also since I read about the Peirce Arrow Tesla worked on. So in the situation you are pondering, could you not find a way to store the extra energy for use elsewhere? From what you wrote, it seems to be in line with my Gr. Grandfathers motors, as it went faster and faster, meaning that the power buildup was seemingly never ending. In many of Teslas setups, spark gaps seem to keep things at a certain level, other than the reasons for use of the spark gaps as he mostly claims.
Draining off some of the extra energy and storing it would be a way of not wasting a drop while still keeping things under control.
Mags
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Edison knew also and was supressed :(
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=356
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=357
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Edison knew also and was supressed :(
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=356
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=357
Surprise Surprise Surprise!
--- From energetic forum
"There is one thing i have noticed that Tesla/Edison/Stubblefield and Elihu Thomson / Houston have in common
They all used elevated TIN foil / TIN for capacitance. Tesla used in his colarado springs experiment. He had a sphere of tinfoil. Edison was using tin sheet."
It may be noted that TIN has the most numerous number of stable isotopes of any element.
I'm SHOCKED! :o
This knowledge is older that I thought. Look here : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5132-1872-elihu-thomson-anyone-got-document-scientific-american-1872-a.html#post78728
even Edison found it !
If anyone has an EF account, it may be interesting to grab that PDF file with the article in question and post it here ( the edited one, not the big one ).
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This is one of the two ways Tito was refering to. This one is capacitive. The other is inductive. Isn't it so TIto?
Well, congratulating you are partly correct. ;D ;)
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@Tito,
I have seen you playing around with people's belief and hope. Still. apart from your saying nothing you have ever demonstrated.
My oppinion is that you are a deprived geek that seeks approvement and attention by others. Get layed and stfu.
i'm not playing actually, i'm giving and helping i'm not just giving the very confidential.
You used this word i think it is you who Get layed and stfu !!!. >:( ;D :P
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I read through some of the Colorado Springs notes. Tesla makes many references to what he calls the "extra coil", even including quotes a lot of the time. One circuit was very interesting to me there. It had a dc source, not a battery as shown, and one lead went to 1 cap then to another larger cap then a coil then back to the dc source all in series. There was a make and break point just after the first cap, to the other end of the dc source.
What was interesting to me was my idea of using caps in series with battery, using the battery as a potential spring where by the dc would really never be depleted due to the cap. Well this circuit makes a whole lot of sense to my idea, and I see it has already been done. The coil in Teslas circuit is labled Primary, in which I would suspect that a secondary would be used to absorb the oscillations from the primary, but it doesnt show a secondary. But it does seem to show the use of a dc source while not depleting it because the dc cannot flow though the 1st cap, yet the charge in that cap can be used to set up oscilation in the second cap and primary by way of the make and break points.
Havent read it all, there is a lot. But Im glad I checked it out. Thanks Tito for the reference.
Magluvin
hi mag continue it.
i have a feeling that you can figured it out ;)
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Hi tito
I have been reading some of Peter Lindemann's stuff and it is getting very exciting. Im starting to understand what is going on. Radiant Electricity! Im still reading at this moment and cant stop.
And thanks for the Colorado Springs reference. =]
Mags
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Hi tito
I have been reading some of Peter Lindemann's stuff and it is getting very exciting. Im starting to understand what is going on. Radiant Electricity! Im still reading at this moment and cant stop.
And thanks for the Colorado Springs reference. =]
Mags
well, not bad, thats very good, you know what? i'm reading and digging everything that has something to do with amplification before i discover that.
they are mad at me because i'am not telling every single thing and thats too lazy for me.
i'm not teasing everyone i am directing you to the correct path!
hey mag, here is another good path buddy try 4shared.com look at the free energy directory and there are lots of good tools there.
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Will check that out. Your right, the info is there, we just have to read it. But some may not understand it.
Any pointers to the possible secrets to my Great Grandfathers motors? =]
Thanks Teets ;]
Mags
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Will check that out. Your right, the info is there, we just have to read it. But some may not understand it.
Any pointers to the possible secrets to my Great Grandfathers motors? =]
Thanks Teets ;]
Mags
Well, i believed if he is a nikola tesla fun there is always one behavior of circuit, of course there are lots of variation but still it will point to master tesla's circuits ok?
OR
maybe your great grand fa discover more better technique than tesla, everything is possible.
tesla made a simple device that didn't made him patented because he accidentally made a lightning using radium element. Thats too dangerous 13MV.
ps. mags do not mind those lazy mad dogs that tries to jumps over the quick brown fox. ;D ;D ;D joke!
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Hey Teets
My pulse motor projects, I use these big reed switches, maybe you have seen my vids on youtube, in some configurations, the contacts in the reed just have a random burning spark and in some configs there is a smooth blue glow that encompasses the contact points. Is there any of these effects happening here when that happens? When the random sparks happen, the inner glass of the tube starts to darken and the contacts get a buildup of material then short, but with the smooth blue glow, the reeds last a long time. Any comments there? Thanks
Mags
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@People,
I do not understand how you let yourselves be manipulated by guys like Tito.
I have had enough for a year listening to Bedini's chinese wisdom, still the slightest OU results never achieved.
He is clearly a Bedini wannabe. He particularly enjoys at having people listening and interpreting his words. He think himself somthing like a preacher and wishes to have his flock. The damn noob.
One thing we have always in mind! Pay attention to my sayings. He supports that the "secret" is proprietary and not disclosed. so? What's all the riddle-full help all about?
Man like Tito, will never disclose anything of value (in case they know), ans will play with the words and hidden meanings. In case someone would approach somehow, they WOULD NOT ezitate to throw him off tracks to protect what they THINK its theirs.
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Those thing said, i have cocluded with great bitterment and afterwards having spent thousands of dollars LITERALLY in this field, that if any genuine progress is to be made, we have first to consult people willing to share bizzare effects from their experiments in the field and secondly you should combine many approaches and formulate a theory of your own, and reseacrh on it.
Sad...but that's it.
Anyway, if i knew the secret, i think i was gonna share it, at least with competent researchers and experimenters.
Baroutologos
ps: Bottom line, do not allow yourselves to be Tito's bitches
ps2: Do not expect someone to tell you anything of commercial value
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baroutologos
Listen dude, maybe you are the reason many have not accomplished anything. Tito has made many valuable points of direction and I believe he has the right to be careful. As anyone should. The info is out there.
Your badgering does no one any good. Is this the reason you are here, to badger? Or are you here to discredit?
Find a thread that accepts your comments. They are of no use here.
Magluvin
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So this is phase change with conservation of energy. Could happen if you conductor was wide enough and the field was strong enough.
Very cool idea!
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I'm not sure why you others have gone off topic, this thread is supposed to be about the magnifying transmitter, not about dissuasion or dissuasions of dissuasion, etc.
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I know there have been posts, but does anyone have a diverse collection of these devices on video or in PDF format?
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Something from what I just read tells me that a bedini setup, along with pulse motors, most likely dont take advantage of Radiant Energy as they say, due to the lack of spark and spark quenching. Even using a reed switch, the spark need to be quenched by a magnetic field to make the spark unidirectional and removing the electrons from the sparks flow. Hmmm =]
Magluvin
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Actually, Sparking gaps and magnetic quenching of those sparks are absolutely necessary to the amplifying transmitters.
Mags
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@People,
I do not understand how you let yourselves be manipulated by guys like Tito.
I have had enough for a year listening to Bedini's chinese wisdom, still the slightest OU results never achieved.
He is clearly a Bedini wannabe. He particularly enjoys at having people listening and interpreting his words. He think himself somthing like a preacher and wishes to have his flock. The damn noob.
One thing we have always in mind! Pay attention to my sayings. He supports that the "secret" is proprietary and not disclosed. so? What's all the riddle-full help all about?
Man like Tito, will never disclose anything of value (in case they know), ans will play with the words and hidden meanings. In case someone would approach somehow, they WOULD NOT ezitate to throw him off tracks to protect what they THINK its theirs.
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Those thing said, i have cocluded with great bitterment and afterwards having spent thousands of dollars LITERALLY in this field, that if any genuine progress is to be made, we have first to consult people willing to share bizzare effects from their experiments in the field and secondly you should combine many approaches and formulate a theory of your own, and reseacrh on it.
Sad...but that's it.
Anyway, if i knew the secret, i think i was gonna share it, at least with competent researchers and experimenters.
Baroutologos
ps: Bottom line, do not allow yourselves to be Tito's bitches
ps2: Do not expect someone to tell you anything of commercial value
point 1 they are not manipulated they see lights in my words.
point 2 i'm no connection in bedini!, just an ordinary experimenter.
point 3 i think you are lazy to read those message in the previous post, I SEE THANKS THERE, therefore i conclude there is a help build in there.
point 4 i am not forcing you to pay attention to whatever i am is saying here right?
point 5 yes i admit i will not going to disclose anything here, what i am is expecting is they themselves will close everything i opened, understood!?
point 6 the reality is you don't knew it, so instead of saying bad words i think you just shut your mouth and stop discouraging everyone cause it doesn't give help.
point 7 hey bart@#$@ if your not interested to what i'm saying, you can disregard my post i'm not forcing you man, and i don't want hurting anybodies heart ok?
sorry man if i made you soooo desperate, i just want everyone make their own research as i did, no one taught me but hints ok, why i discover it? am i different than you? so you want me to tell it right away, wow so fast than my research time, i've even made a lot of accidents in my experiments, nearly killed some people near at my surroundings. ha!ha!ha! you're great!
i think you need to take a bath, though it's not summer yet, we'll accompany you to go your beach you bitch! ;D ;D ;D joke lol hahaha.
ok lets be friend now ok!
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Another weird thing about motors is that we have to use energy to hold them down. This I learned many years ago dynamometer testing a motor. Smaller horsepower motors were tested and often we could just chuck them and hold them down with a torque arm. The test was extended and when it was done I removed the torque arm which had been battering the platform. It burnt my hand. The torque arm had been creating a load. Now instead of using a torque arm I had used an electromagnetic brake I believe the output of the motor could be doubled. Perhaps with a second dynamometer attached to the STATOR of the motor while one is attached to the shaft.
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Hey Teets
My pulse motor projects, I use these big reed switches, maybe you have seen my vids on youtube, in some configurations, the contacts in the reed just have a random burning spark and in some configs there is a smooth blue glow that encompasses the contact points. Is there any of these effects happening here when that happens? When the random sparks happen, the inner glass of the tube starts to darken and the contacts get a buildup of material then short, but with the smooth blue glow, the reeds last a long time. Any comments there? Thanks
Mags
what i understand is you don't have a constant voltage and current, but with the smooth blue glow you have a very high volts with a low current thats why reeds last long.
do you know that we can use small wattage caps in a verrrry high volts BUT verrrry low current.
i am actually using 4 diodes in series and a cap to save contacts.
bye thanks mags
take care all of you.
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Sparks
Are you sure that it wasnt the heat from the motor that you tested that burned you?
Teets
You go boy! You tellum!
I am searching and finding and understanding. =]
Magluvin
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Teets
Are the diodes in series to overcome the high voltage from getting back through as compared to 1 diode?
I have a problem with a 400v piv diode with about 300v. It is getting across in reverse.
Mags
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Why nobody is interested in Edison article from 1875 I posted ? ::) What do you think is "etheric force" Edison worked out ? He investigated it in 1875 to the end of 1876 when ....
"There is no evidence of Edison's reaction to criticisms such as those in the New York Times but etheric
force soon drew attention from a quarter that Edison could not ignore. On 10 December Edison's
agent, Norman Miller, wrote inviting him to a meeting with William Orton, president of the telegraph
giant, Western Union. Miller's letter concluded:
I think that you had better bring in a Statement of expenditures and such vouchers as
you have ready, also drawings, etc, and any thing that shows work done and progress
made. The papers are so full of "new force" that I want you to show that it has not
taken up too much of your time.
Edison hoped to secure Western Union's financial backing to establish his purpose-built laboratory at
Menlo Park. The implication of Miller's letter was that Western Union might finance Edison to
produce inventions of commercial value to them, but not to pursue his questionable new force. Edison
must have allayed Orton's concerns, because he signed an agreement with Western Union a few days
later (14 December 1875).
Edison acted in the spirit of his agreement and stopped experimenting with etheric force except for one
final attempt. On 26 December 1875, Edison's laboratory notebook recorded, "an experiment tried
tonight [that] gives a curious result". Figure 2 is the sketch that accompanied the entry.
The left hand side of the sketch shows the apparatus Edison used on 22 November (Figure 1); B, C, D
and E are sheets of tinfoil hung on insulating supports; and the object in the lower right is a darkened
box used to observe the sparks.
The distance between B and E was 100 inches (2.5 m) and, although
there was no wire or other conducting medium between them, Edison noted that they, "received sparks
at intervals although insulated by such space".
This was, indeed, a curious result. What Edison
observed was wireless transmission, confirming Batchelor's speculation of 24 November. Only one
word, "curious", hints at the exceptional nature of the result. "
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Now I ASK YOU :
how are Electromagnetic waves (radio waves) produced ?
ANSWER PLEASE because it is an issue of utmost importance!
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Hey Forest
Radio waves are more magnetic than they are as radiant electricity is described. Supposedly Radiant energy can travel through anything and everything, where radio waves are restricted by many things as to how far they travel.
From my reading, Tesla was the only one back then that figured out how to utilize radiant energy. A few others had experienced it before him, but Tesla went all the way with it. All the way. Of course Edison had experience with it because he was into dc generators. When the generators were running, there was maybe a couple thousand volts potential there before switched onto the power lines. When the switches were thrown, that is when the radiant pulse blasted everything including the handle that was on the switch, and the person that pulled the switch put himself in danger, some killed, due to making all things conductive of sorts, just for that second that the pulse happened. This was a great reason for Teslas ac idea to become more popular than dc. Tesla said that the radiant pulse does not occur with alternating currents, so it was proven safer. But soon Tesla abandoned most of his ac work to explore these radiant pulse energies. The big tower he had built, most though it was for radio communications, but when they found out it was really for power transmissions, they shut him down.
Mags
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when you can split an electron with a razor blade, I will be impressed.
Jerry 8)
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Well that is a first for me to posed a position to do such a thing. I would be impressed also.
But splitting the electrons from the aether, a razor blade is not necessary.
Magsplittin
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What we need to change in Edison circuit to make it normal radio waves transmitter ?
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Alternating current like any other radio transmission.
Mags
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Alternating current like any other radio transmission.
Mags
Correct.Edison circuit produce radiant waves because it's DC without possibility to reverse oscillations.Who said DC LC circuit cannot resonate ? Yes,it can.Proof ?
I can't give you direct proof but I imagine AC oscillator is like a rope between two walls.It can oscillate producing standing waves. The result on air is minimal ,you hardly hear any sound due to waves propagation along rope. Now take one end of rope , release it and make a knot at this end.Oscillate it using known technic - it become a scourge and you will hear oh yeah you will hear the effect on air....
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I believe the way Tesla gets his resonant circuit to maintain oscillations is because of mass to energy conversion. An ionized atom has less mass than a neutral atom. I always thought that it was possible to cut loose a valence shell electron and if the thermal energy of the atom or direction of acceleration of the atom bulk is added to the electron velocity then there would be conversion of thermal energy into electrical energy. This still may be possible. A better explaination may be better described as an electron cascade event occuring in the metals of a capacitor.
This has to do with what Tesla discovered trying to transmit a current through air.
We are definitely seeing the effects of generating ionizing frequency potentials. What they can do besides just exciting phospherescent coatings into luminous effects and random electron quantom oscillations like in an led is to excite an electron cascade event.
The fast exciter electrons knock an electron out of the inner energy shells of an atom. The electrons of more energy in the outer valence shells drop down to fill the vacancy. This dropping down from a high energy state to a lower one creates radiant energy or radiowaves or whatever you want to call it. These photons (not all photons live in the light spectrum) represent the amount of energy difference between the outer valence electrons and the inner valence electrons. The photon so generated can then be of sufficient energy and frequency to cause another atom to do the same thing. When the atoms run out of atoms to cascade with the photon energy goes radiant and diffuses of into the wild blue yonder. If your accelerated electrons meet up with a different form of atom that doe not respond to the initial ionizing energy frequency they accumulate and in so doing create a very negative field as one would find in a charged capacitor. Electrons are funny critters. They can be a fast moving particle or a high frequency standing wave that travels. Both at the same time mind you.
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this is something good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44iT-wtj-o0&feature=related
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Yes was good
Mags
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Tesla was into efficiency. He reported that he could transmit an electromagnetic wave and get all the energy back. When a radio operator wants to transmit a transverse electromagnetic wave he needs to make sure that the speed of light flow of energy is taken into account. He knows that when his oscillating voltage scource is connected to the antennae that there will arise upon the entire transmission line skin a wave that will travel at the speed of light through the atoms of which the transmission line is comprised. He wants the crest and trough of the wave to align with the top and bottom of his transmitting antennae. The wave will therefore produce a polarization of the mass of the antennae whereby the crest of the wave will be at one charge state and the base at the other. A time displaced electric current then flows in the antennae mass from node to antinode to short out the antennae polarization. The magnetic field from this current flow displaces the ambient magnetic field and the cessation of the current flow causes the ambient magnetic field to return to normal. This creates a distortion of the magnetic field that weakens the further you are from the antennae. The ambient magnetic field is alternately displaced and returned to normal by the currents induced in the antennae. Meanwhile the electrical polarization of the antennae is not only felt by the antennae mass it is felt by everything. This polarization information is conducted by a vacuum and resisted or diffused by mass.
What tesla found out is that the wave produced by the oscillator in the transmission line can be caused to be reflected by the proper termination. The wave can be reflected and never get out of the transmission line at all. It just bounces back and forth creating nodes and antinodes superimposed on one another. There are of course heating problems as the current alternately discharges between nodes and antinodes within the transmission line. If alternate paths for the electrostatic field to stabilize that are of lesser mass resistance to the electrostatic potentials than the transmission lines mass resistance, then cold currents are induced in the cold current loads.
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sparks,
you are right but you are describing the power of electric oscillator which is infinite , we know that .We know also about standing waves in antenna and enormous power accumulated there - called reactive power.You are also correct - this is part of solution to accumulate power first but the core, the essential is also needed to release it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-WVMvzCY0&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbx_aaArnzw&feature=related and here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFu3GbG0X0&feature=related
pure physics no magic
where is Len'z law and where there is no ? see ? simple things are priceless !
Tito ? can you comment also ?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNKPIOelTgA
whip resonance ?
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whip it whip it !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1nsz3pK6i4&feature=related
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Yes!, great find buddy ;D
all of your video represents a common one sense and that is a KICK !!!
and that is the result of the sweet spot, and you can feel it more sweet if you are at the end of that tail ;D ;D ;D
nice kicking buddy ;D ;D ;D
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@ all
You're thinking too much deep and not what tesla is really planning!
what you are saying is the basic knowledge that tesla is revealing about the magnifier can do, but the real secret is that he only want something that is moving in the atmosphere because amplifying is very easy for him.
do you know that even a single button cell battery can power up the whole earth! 8)
Sounds crazy isn't it?, and of course you will not believe. ;D
do you know that if you really know the secret, you can make any source into free energy!?
note: i am not teasing everyone! i am making everyone think!!!!!
note: Tesla needs only ten watts of power to produce thousands and thousands of horse power, remember ?
note: electricity is very replicable, magnefiable, and power is always everywhere here and outside the universe.
do you know that there is power even there is no power ??? cause power
is just a matter of switch ;D
do you really know why tesla called it magnifying transmitter?
do you know that in one transmitter, we can make unlimitted numbers of
receivers? off course you know that! ;D
Goodbye!!! :-*
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When the antennaes are in the oscillator then it is much easier to understand. The oscillator runs undamped by the load driving current transformers that are located between the lumped components. This circuit runs with feedback to charge the starter battery and supply tank resistance losses.
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I wonder why most posts in this thread are completely offtopic and no one is actually trying to replicate what is written in e.g. Peter Lindemann's Book on how Tesla created Cold Electricity. The construction plans seem to be very simple on the first look. As stated in the first post, the base of it all is to create sparks with only a duration of < 100µ-seconds in the sparkgap. Whereas Tesla achieved that by using arranging 2 magnets crosswise to the sparkgap, Edwin Gray used a Multivibrator. Has anyone tried to do that yet?
Also I found parts of the information on this site: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt5.html (almost on 3/4 on the bottom of the page) there are some paragraphs on tesla and this construction.
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Very good post Gauscher. The spark gap is where it happens the rest of it is just storage. The energy comes from the time dimension. The whip the bow and arrow the hammer strike the capacitor discharge. Where does the energy all come from. The past of course.
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The problem with spark gap is oscillation.Make one without oscillations and you will find free energy.
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@ all
You're thinking too much deep and not what tesla is really planning!
what you are saying is the basic knowledge that tesla is revealing about the magnifier can do, but the real secret is that he only want something that is moving in the atmosphere because amplifying is very easy for him.
do you know that even a single button cell battery can power up the whole earth! 8)
Sounds crazy isn't it?, and of course you will not believe. ;D
do you know that if you really know the secret, you can make any source into free energy!?
note: i am not teasing everyone! i am making everyone think!!!!!
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Why don't you just finally build something? Stop the rhetoric already, if you *know* - show us, and put your foot where your mouth is.
I'm a visual person myself and seeing it works better than reading it...
By the way, if you don't have a 1.5V battery I have a bunch of here and will send one if you like.
Though you don't need to power the whole planet to prove your point. I'll be happy to see a power drill and a 1.5kW electric heater working off of it?
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Why don't you just finally build something? Stop the rhetoric already, if you *know* - show us, and put your foot where your mouth is.
I'm a visual person myself and seeing it works better than reading it...
By the way, if you don't have a 1.5V battery I have a bunch of here and will send one if you like.
Though you don't need to power the whole planet to prove your point. I'll be to see a power drill and a 1.5kW heater working off of it?
@amigo
ok i'll do that, i will post it here, and i know that many are waiting for me just patience please i'm so very busy.
about the battery: no thanks, i have a lot of them and i'm not using battery anymore, i'm using antenna only.
note: if tesla says in ten watts you can make thousands and thousands of hp then what more if you will use 746 watts(1hp).
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Tito
ok i'll do that, i will post it here,
Now that would be nice[very nice!!].
Chet
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Tito
ok i'll do that, i will post it here,
Now that would be nice[very nice!!].
Chet
YEP VERY very Nice
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Tito
Imagine this. Lets say you were the only person in the world that was able to read. Then you tried to teach others of us how to read, but you found it to be a very difficult and timely processes. What you claim is something different than most can comprehend, mostly due to they or we are a bit set in our ways. So whether you point things out and tell us what to read, considering Teslas cleverness, not many will find what you say is there.
Its like being the best student in math class, he will find it hard to believe that the others cant get a grip on it as well as him because it seems just very simple, as you say. And the others below him find it hard to believe that he has it all figured out. lol its true.
If you teach us how to read by just giving us books to look at, it will take us a very long time to figure it out, very. And you know that to understand Teslas cryptic wordings, that it will be as a new language for some of us as compared to regular reading, and to say our common knowlege as compared to where Tesla was. Almost Alien. =]
But thanks for what you do share. But not many can decipher what you present. We dont know how to read yet, in a manor of speaking..
Mags
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Tito
Imagine this. Lets say you were the only person in the world that was able to read. Then you tried to teach others of us how to read, but you found it to be a very difficult and timely processes. What you claim is something different than most can comprehend, mostly due to they or we are a bit set in our ways. So whether you point things out and tell us what to read, considering Teslas cleverness, not many will find what you say is there.
Its like being the best student in math class, he will hard to believe that the others cant get a grip on it as well as him because it seems just very simple, as you say. And the others below him find it hard to believe that he has it all figured out. lol its true.
If you teach us how to read by just giving us books to look at, it will take us a very long time to figure it out, very. And you know that to understand Teslas cryptic wordings, that it will be as a new language for some of us as compared to regular reading, and to say our common knowlege as compared to where Tesla was. Almost Alien. =]
But thanks for what you do share. But not many can decipher what you present. We dont know how to read yet, in a manor of speaking..
Mags
hi mags
What i'm telling to everyone is already being used by all of us all of this time, the method is very easy but i admit that it is unnoticeable.
if i will present a circuit diagram, very sure even one that cannot read can easily get it, the circuit is really very tricky but verrrrry easy.
just by looking up the circuit, you can say that even a button cell can power up the whole earth. Because you can really see how will this thing work.
i didn't took up an electronic degree course, and i don't even understand the many post of SPARK, they are tooo deep ;D .
i don't know why i discover this important thing, maybe i'm lucky. i just have very poor electronic knowledge i'm telling you. ;D
i really discovered it! believe it or not, but currently the truth is i do not want to tell it to any body and i'm very sorry for that. and this knowledge is the only thing i can give to my children. maybe that is the real reason why i cannot share it. but don't worry i will present a video using this method i discover in some other time.
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Tito
Tell your story walking!!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Chet
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Tito
Tell your story walking!!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Chet
@ chet
please don't be mad, i do not want to have quarrel to any body.
i'am here to tell and encourage everyone that it is really possible. though i am not sharing it, you have the assurance that it is possible ok.
i'm sorry buddy :(
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Tito, are you in a possession of a working prototype based on claimed principles? If you already built one and it works, then you have something that even Tesla probably did not possess. But if you did not build anything and it still dwells only in your mind, then there is a possibility that this invention is based on your ignorance, just as you say that you never studied the subject (electronics). In other words, your invention was possible only because you don't know laws and properties and in fact it won't work. Knowledgeable people won't invent it because they know that according to common properties and laws, it's impossible. It will work only in an ignorant mind, not as a real machine, however.
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Qwert, have you ever heard of a fox hole radio? ;)
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Many times decisions change abruptly because of some idiot electrons flowing from the nerve of the brain trying to jump to a different directions because of a high voltage effect of a charge and discharge capacitor from a 50kv ;)
everything is possible it is only the ignorant mind that makes it impossible especially if you're low I-Qwert ;) joke
haven't you ever heard of an hash hole radio? radio that produce many hash especially at night life. joke ha!ha!ha! ;D
just forget everything decision change!
remember: it is you who made the first shot. ;D ;D ;D ;D
goodbye!!!!
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Of Tesla's Extra coil, Am I to understand that it is a dynamic element? It changes electrical properties depending on the electrical conditions it is under?
It is a coil wound on an insulator. Since the dielectric properties change with the amount of charge on the outside of the insulator, because it would be much easier to polarize the dielectric with the extra retained charge, then the self capacitance of the Extra Coil would change depending upon the total amount of charge the coil was operating under at that moment.
So electrically the Extra Coil could look like either a large long inductor or a short strait conductor depending on the electrical conditions.
*Note:
I believe I see a related phenomena in the Stan Meyer's VIC and the Steve Marks TPU. The Extra Coil and the VIC are controlled by a electric field where the TPU is controlled by a magnetic field.
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yep, it's all about of atoms orientation in external magnetic field
that's why famous Tesla coil mass of primary matched with secondary
congratulations you have found 1 of puzzle but there are others
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Dont worry Tito, there are many that feel the same as you.
I have delved into some other ideas for the time being. But in the back of my mind, I am still working on this. If I figure it out, I will show it to all here, then the pressure will be off of you. =]
At this time I do have some of the materials toward this endeavor.
Not that I dont believe, but if you have a device that produces more energy than is input, then why do you us an antenna for input? Could you not easily produce those lil kicks from a circuit that runs from the output? To say Close The Loop? Self contained, no antenna for others to say, is that XM radio? If not, what is it?
Unless the antenna is a necessary ingredient. ;]
I have downloaded more material than I can keep up with and taking notes. But I will figure it out. And some others here probably have and are not saying just as you.
When I do, you will see it here before anyone knows I have it. =]
Mags
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I think the antenna would be used to collect a certain frequency that can be used to resonate something that would become more vibrant after being submitted to the frequency then the frequency used.
When I mentioned the foxhole radio, I wasn't trying to be a smart azz.
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I have often thought of my old crystal sets considering this subject. But what freq are we looking for? What happens if all the artificial ones disappear, what freq do we tune to? I think that is key here.
Mags
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Mags, I found the following that may be of interest.
The scientific community is just beginning to appreciate how the fields generated by living systems and the ionosphere interact with one another. For instance, the earth and the ionosphere generate a symphony of frequencies ranging from 0.01 hertz to 300 hertz, and some of the large resonances occurring in the earth's fields are in the same frequency range as those of the human heart and brain.
http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/about-system.html
I came across that link when doing some research and if you go about half way down that page on the right side, you will see a article asking you to click on it to hear the earth. If you click on it you will get to hear an audio of the earths frequency's. I do believe that it is illegal to play with certain frequency's and you may want to be careful with which ones you play with.
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Dont worry Tito, there are many that feel the same as you.
I have delved into some other ideas for the time being. But in the back of my mind, I am still working on this. If I figure it out, I will show it to all here, then the pressure will be off of you. =]
At this time I do have some of the materials toward this endeavor.
Not that I dont believe, but if you have a device that produces more energy than is input, then why do you us an antenna for input? Could you not easily produce those lil kicks from a circuit that runs from the output? To say Close The Loop? Self contained, no antenna for others to say, is that XM radio? If not, what is it?
Unless the antenna is a necessary ingredient. ;]
I have downloaded more material than I can keep up with and taking notes. But I will figure it out. And some others here probably have and are not saying just as you.
When I do, you will see it here before anyone knows I have it. =]
Mags
hi mags
YES!
That is the question i am waiting of, from that question i cannot answer you anymore because you are just one step from that question.
Actually we can do it using small any source, but antenna is more better in the sense that we can lessen the module ok. hope you understand.
ps. why moray still needs an antenna, inspite of producing a lot of energy? think of that ok.
mags if you figured it out please don't say it here right away please because there are many that don't deserve this thing ok! well that is just my opinion but its still up to you ok. ;)
by the way if you discover it don't tell it to me ok, i am satisfied with mine ok. :)
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Of Tesla's Extra coil, Am I to understand that it is a dynamic element? It changes electrical properties depending on the electrical conditions it is under?
It is a coil wound on an insulator. Since the dielectric properties change with the amount of charge on the outside of the insulator, because it would be much easier to polarize the dielectric with the extra retained charge, then the self capacitance of the Extra Coil would change depending upon the total amount of charge the coil was operating under at that moment.
So electrically the Extra Coil could look like either a large long inductor or a short strait conductor depending on the electrical conditions.
*Note:
I believe I see a related phenomena in the Stan Meyer's VIC and the Steve Marks TPU. The Extra Coil and the VIC are controlled by a electric field where the TPU is controlled by a magnetic field.
well, what can i say YOU HAVE A POINT!!! ;D
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Electrostatic potentials are worth investigating. These are the potentials that are produced in space which cause currents which disrupt the magnetic field which induces electrostatic potentials that produce currents that disrupt the magnetic field which produce currents....... Which comes first, and can we split the wave? A wheatstone bridge can. You can produce an alternating current through the galvenometer by just changing the resistance of the unknown resistance to be measured to the dc voltage impressed on the entire device. Earth has lots of charge. Upwards of a columb. Space not so much. Earth is polarized negative space positive. Put a wheatstone bridge in between and vary the unknown resistance produce currents in the galvenometer.
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Hay Tito
Show this to your son
80 yr old man[a neighbor] found frozen to death next to the wood pile
60 feet from his house
His wife [a neighbor] was found two days later ,not quite frozen [dead
yet]inside the house delusional
While your busy making bikes for your son and giggling with him about how cool it will be.
Think about the dead neighbor and all the others that will Die while you play and worry about your sons future and your legacy
If you think that I am being Dramatic you are crazy
The Guys that run our world [Oil ,Gov'ts, big companies]
step over Dead and dying bodies every day on there way to a golf game
Or maybe building a bike for their kid??
Are you one of those??
Show this to your son TITO
This incident just happened!!
You want their names and pictures??
The ball is in your court Buddy
Chet
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Maybe now you know why I'm so angry[a huge understatement]
ASK your son if he is OK with people dying?
Who knows maybe he's a chip off the old block?
If thats the case you don't belong here!
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That was a cool link Nightlife
But Tesla always claimed high freq. And Yes low freq can be dangerous.
I would say a wide open receiver should find something. Or just fine tuning all the way through the bands. lol
Mags
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I see, Tito do the part he knows best (as many clever people do)
They sell hope. Perhaps Tito craves attentions and tender...
Most people say it can be done and OU is out there. Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not. Go to a Haitian fate-striken man and tell him the life is good and luxurious life exist!
If he is destined to die in porverty and live in unhuman conditions, a luxurious life existing or not does not makes any difference for him. He is better knowing that does not exist anyway.
For our case. We have not seen any usefull OU ever. We have not a clue how our lifes could be improved since we propably won't get Ou for the next 100 years. (i am moderate here)
It is good to be a positive thinker and dreamer, but when comes to bottom line, acomplishment and technology exploitation for our betterment. We are left, again, to zero.
I make a puplic offer
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Tito says he is busy for a living etc etc I am willing to PAY, individually 1,000USD now, if he could train me to achieve usefull OU myself. Later i would be unwilling to give out the secret to people easily (that i paid) and instead i would be morally obliged at introducing Tito for training them.
I am confident that many would be willing to do, thus the technology would be spread, Tito or anyone would be benefited a lot from the procedure, thus a win-win condition.
My offer is real and honest.
Baroutologos
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If the spark gap is considered a resistor changing it's value at a given frequency and incorporated into a wheatstone bridge: as the resistance to be measured changes, current flow through the galvenometer increases. We have conversion of resistance into current flow. The powerscource is the electrostatic potential between mass and nonmass. In a semiconductor there are holes and there are electrons. In what we call fullfledged conductors (prime number of protons for the mathmatically inclined) the same condition applies as electrons are jumping from one atom to the next trying to assume a noble gas configuration. This leaves wholes or positive charges on the parent atom. This desire for male and female electron bonding in valence shells is a stronger force than the protonic electrostatic potentials that are shielded by the lower valence shell electrons. The electrons in the valence shells are free to do what they want. Most of the time they like to screw around/with each other.
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I don't know if I am correct here with this posting, but coming back to the spark gap tesla visualized in his patent:
He claims that this "magnetically quenched spark gap" is the reason for getting cold electricity, because it makes it possible to discharge very abruptly: though I am confused by the sketch of him, because from my own experience the discharge will most likely not take place between the 2 electrodes of the conductor, but will instead go the route via the upper or lower magnets, therefore causing 2 smaller discharges on the shorter paths. Despite, I think Tesla does not want the discharge to happen that way, but he wants the 2 conductors to discharge directly against each other. I wonder how that can be achieved, because discharge always seeks the shortest path.... and with the magnets as close as visualised in here this almost seems impossible!?
Any ideas, how it is supposed to be?
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He could have had mica insulating on the magnets. The spark gap may have been in a glass tube. Either way, Im sure that the pictorial doesnt explain everything. But it is good that the magnets are shown, So now it is time to try it. =]
Mags
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Thanks, I totally forgot that I could enclose the electrodes in a glass tube or something like that. Sometimes one has a knob in the head.
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The magnetic quenching of a spark gap enables the input to phase with the oscillations in the tank circuit. A plasma grows from one electrode and does not even have to reach the other electrode before the effects of the moving charge carriers towards the opposing electrode are felt. The other electrode feels the polarization of the space as it becomes increasingly negative. This electrostatic potential initiates a cold current. The magnetic blow out coils are used to insure that the leading edge of the plasma never reaches the second electrode. This would short out the electrostatic potentials and normal currents would flow. It is like a tunneling diode. The electrons never go all the way through the barrier but their charge does.
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If the spark gap is considered a resistor changing it's value at a given frequency and incorporated into a wheatstone bridge: as the resistance to be measured changes, current flow through the galvenometer increases. We have conversion of resistance into current flow. The powerscource is the electrostatic potential between mass and nonmass. In a semiconductor there are holes and there are electrons. In what we call fullfledged conductors (prime number of protons for the mathmatically inclined) the same condition applies as electrons are jumping from one atom to the next trying to assume a noble gas configuration. This leaves wholes or positive charges on the parent atom. This desire for male and female electron bonding in valence shells is a stronger force than the protonic electrostatic potentials that are shielded by the lower valence shell electrons. The electrons in the valence shells are free to do what they want. Most of the time they like to screw around/with each other.
Hi sir spark good day ;D
Your really a spark of a genius, i always admire your post they are tooo deep for me to understand but you know what sir, the solution i discover is just a crap compare to your post, really unnoticeable, now i really see the cleverness of tesla, veeeery tricky. YOU WILL NOT STOP LAUGHING IF YOU DISCOVER THAT ;D
@ chet
I fully understand you sir, but what is very important for me now is my family, i will do everything for my family my care is for them first ok, hope you understand me sir.
@bart
I apologize if i made you mad at me sir, and thanks for the offer i'm really not off to the money though i need them ok. ;D
@ all
I understand everyones feeling of being tease by me not telling the secret but i'm telling the truth ok.
If i'm making everyone mad at me because of my bad post, ok i'm so sorry, and i will now stop bothering you in this topic ok. but what i'm going to leave here and share is that a single button cell or an antenna can really power up your home and that is no doubt and NOT CRAZY OK! and the real secret as i always say in many of my post is AMPLIFICATION.
GOODBYE EVERYONE VERY FUN TALKING TO YOU ALL
BUT DON'T WORRY I'LL JUST WATCH OK ;D
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Hey Tito
How about just giving these guys some general info, things around the device itself. Like how much power your producing, does it take up much space, does it make a lot of noise. At least you would be feeding their search interest. =]
Mags
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That was a cool link Nightlife
But Tesla always claimed high freq. And Yes low freq can be dangerous.
I would say a wide open receiver should find something. Or just fine tuning all the way through the bands. lol
Mags
What if he was attracting a low frequency and then coverting it to a high frequncy?
What if he used a low frequency's to resonate a coil which created a high frequency after being affected.
Think about hard hitting bass like in hip hop music in a car. Think about how much it vibrates that car and all the ones around it including the buildngs and even the ground. Now think of the sound of the vibrations created by the bass thru all the different things being vibrated. The hit last for a fraction of a secound but the vibratons last for several depending on the matterial that is affectd by the vibration. If we could attach hundreds or thousands of magnets that are floating in coils on everything that vibrated, think of all the energy that would be created. Then think of how much energy was used. A 4000 watt system will produce a very vibrant hit. The hit will vibrate those magnets creating energy as long as the vibration lasted. Now think of all energy created and I would bet that it is much more then the energy used to create the hit. That is because of the self resonating affect vibrations have on matter. Now isolate the hit and direct it to a coil and the coil will vibrate as well as create a magnetic field. We then have a vibrating magnetic field that produces energy thru the coil as long as it is vibrating.
The s/m tpu was said to have vibrated. Could it be that he used a pulsed low frequency to create and carry the vibration? Could the vibration have created the electricty it put out? :o I think it could because electriicty is vibrations.
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You might be right there Nightlife
Now we just need to tune in to about 8 hz and start thumpin. Im into custom car audio and I know what you are saying.
Mags
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Hey Tito
How about just giving these guys some general info, things around the device itself. Like how much power your producing, does it take up much space, does it make a lot of noise. At least you would be feeding their search interest. =]
Mags
hi mags
ok, currently i only have 1000 watts inverter because that is all i can afford now, my source is an antenna, i'm using #### stage amplification, using a lot of transformer that are readily available in the market cause i'm too lazy to wind ok, the many the transformer the higher inverter watts you have is the power you can produce its unlimited ok. a half meter by a half meter is enough for the space for a thousand watts.
i think this is my last post. i am not anymore interested in this forum ok
i'll just be watching from now on ok.
ps: no noise ok i've solved that by putting it inside of an aquarium funny but effective, i think oil is much better ;D
did you see an aquarium based on oil. lol hahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So if we were to charge a cap and dump it at 8 hz in to a coil, the coil should be able to create enough energy to fill another cap to dump back in. switch them back and forth and you have a pulsed low frequncy input creating a high frequency output.
I am not sure if I am makiing any sense right now. I am thinking outside of th box and I will have to do some research to see if I can be right.
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Tito
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I fully understand you sir, but what is very important for me now is my family
Wow you care about your family?
You must be an extra Nice man.
If I had what you claim to have!
The neighbor wouldn't be Dead right now [frozen to death in the cold getting firewood for his 80 year old wife]
And his wife sitting in the house alone two days and nights slowly freezing to death,she wouldn't be clinging to life in the hospital.
The two of them would be nice and warm growing old together.
Tito you are a --------------
Go away and stay away
This place is for those that care and share.
You are most definitely not one of them.
Chet
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I think if we take little impulses and put them into a resonant tank each little impulse is stored in the tank. It does not leave this machine. The whole tank is an energy storer upper. Proper phasing of the input is critical. This way a very small charge driven current can soon become a very powerful current INSIDE THE OSCILLATOR. After a while there are enough impulses stored in the oscillator to let em go resulting in a much more meaningful event then the individual impulses could ever effect on their own. Like driving motors from radio receivers in cars. Tesla loved capacitors. Capacitors dont give a damn about the passage of time. If you were inside a capacitor time would stand still. There would be absolutely no change in the electromagnetic input to your eyes and ears and nerve endings. Upon emerging from the capacitor things would be different. Time didnt standstill out there. It was changing alot.
Tito
If the lower frequency output from the tank is imposed on a tank that recognises the lowerfrequency discharge as an impulse then this second stage oscillator does what the first one did. Pretty soon you can have such a lowfrequency high amplitude output that it starts to look like a flat wave and your bias level is way up there. Like thousands of volts overground up there.
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hi mags
ok, currently i only have 1000 watts inverter because that is all i can afford now, my source is an antenna, i'm using #### stage amplification, using a lot of transformer that are readily available in the market cause i'm too lazy to wind ok, the many the transformer the higher inverter watts you have is the power you can produce its unlimited ok. a half meter by a half meter is enough for the space for a thousand watts.
i think this is my last post. i am not anymore interested in this forum ok
i'll just be watching from now on ok.
ps: no noise ok i've solved that by putting it inside of an aquarium funny but effective, i think oil is much better ;D
did you see an aquarium based on oil. lol hahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D
It sounds like he is powering an amp with an antenna and feeding the outputs to 12volt transformers and feeding them to the 1000 watt inverter. Kind of sounds like the old long wire trick for trickle charging car battery's. I think a automotive coil was used in the mix. I will try and post a link to it.
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Tito
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I fully understand you sir, but what is very important for me now is
Wow you about your ?
You must be an extra Nice .
If I had what you claim to have!
The neighbor wouldn't be Dead right now [frozen to death in the cold getting firewood for his 80 year old ]
And his wife sitting alone two days and slowly freezing to death,she wouldn't be clinging to life in the hospital.
The two of them would be nice and warm growing old together.
Tito you are a --------------
Go away and stay away
This place is for those that care and share.
You are most definitely not one of them.
Chet
If that is the case i think i will help my neighbor in other way ok, we can help in other way even we do not give our very best secret ok.
i think its case to case basis. and also there are already many free energy shown in the you tube.
my discovery is general amplification method, it can make any claimed energy device into OU ok.
i understand you chet, sorry. :(
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Here it is. The long wire woulld be the antenna. The spark plug would be the amp. The coil would be the transformer and the battery would be the inverter.
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Tito
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i think its case to case basis
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In this case the neighbor is dead.
your secret must be pretty important to you
Being" very biggest and all!"
Tito no further comments from me
I meet guys like you everywhere
I just don't like seeing them here.
You don't belong amongst men like these.
you are a ------------
Chet
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I like the use of the spark plug. It all looks good. I would take 2 spark plugs and get rid of the hook tips and just use the platinum tips! =]
So now were not looking for a freq, just radiant energy.
Where did you get that pic?
Mags
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A nightlife
Resonance can work the other way too.
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I like the use of the spark plug. It all looks good. I would take 2 spark plugs and get rid of the hook A and just use the platinum tips! =]
So now were not looking for a freq, just radiant energy.
Where did you get that pic?
Mags
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm
I actually can't believe I found it so fast. I have way to many projects going on in my head, not including the ones on the bench calling my name as we speak. LOL
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A nightlife
Resonance can work the other way too.
What do you mean? Are you talking about from low to high and then back to low?
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I like the use of the spark plug. It all looks good. I would take 2 spark plugs and get rid of the hook tips and just use the platinum tips! =]
So now were not looking for a freq, just radiant energy.
Where did you get that pic?
Mags
@ nightlife
nice pic of perrault good.
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@ nightlife
nice pic of perrault good.
Perrault = fairytail. What did you mean by that?
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No just low to high. The folks over the Joule Thief thread have been going from low to high for a while now. The lowest frequency I can imagine is when a conductor lies within an electrostatic field. This is the field produced by abunch of negatively charged stuff over here and abunch of positively charged stuff over there. The conductor skin is mostly negatively charged. In this type of field it will move away from the negatively charged stuff and towards the positively charged stuff. Like when our hair moves when you have pickedup too much negatively charged stuff. Ever touch a door knob when you are negatively charged. The metal doorknob isnt completing the circuit to anything. It is stuck in a piece of wood. Totally insulated yet the spark gap still fires.
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I think if we take little impulses and put them into a resonant tank each little impulse is stored in the tank. It does not leave this machine. The whole tank is an energy storer upper. Proper phasing of the input is critical. This way a very small charge driven current can soon become a very powerful current INSIDE THE OSCILLATOR. After a while there are enough impulses stored in the oscillator to let em go resulting in a much more meaningful event then the individual impulses could ever effect on their own. Like driving motors from radio receivers in cars. Tesla loved capacitors. Capacitors dont give a damn about the passage of time. If you were inside a capacitor time would stand still. There would be absolutely no change in the electromagnetic input to your eyes and ears and nerve endings. Upon emerging from the capacitor things would be different. Time didnt standstill out there. It was changing alot.
Tito
If the lower frequency output from the tank is imposed on a tank that recognises the lowerfrequency discharge as an impulse then this second stage oscillator does what the first one did. Pretty soon you can have such a lowfrequency high amplitude output that it starts to look like a flat wave and your bias level is way up there. Like thousands of volts overground up there.
hi sir spark
the way you describe it
i feel that you got it already, am i right sir?
if you got it then congratulation, i'm happy for you sir :)
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Tito
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i think its case to case basis
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In this case the neighbor is dead.
your secret must be pretty important to you
Being" very biggest and all!"
Tito no further comments from me
I meet guys like you everywhere
I just don't like seeing them here.
You don't belong amongst men like these.
you are a ------------
Chet
hi chet
why don't you say it?, if it makes you feel better, don't worry i won't fight back i understand you sir. :(
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I think sparks is a small step in front of the solution.
I will tell you one so called secret which Tito probably discovered : Tesla resonance is NOT LIKE RESONANCE WE KNOW ABOUT.
"The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane." Nikola Tesla
I will give you an example of "thinking clearly" , I hope so ;D
If there is AMPLIFICATION somewhere it means the energy inside RISE in time.Ok ?
That match with our normal resonance when power supply is going to add a tiny bit of energy each time to allow amplification.BUT Tito is using antenna. What it means ? He can't do that with our known resonance.
Why ? Because feeding a circuit with a hash of very wide frequency signals CANNOT add a required amount of energy to normal resonant circuit.
From wikipedia we have :
"In physics, resonance is the tendency of a system (usually a linear system) to oscillate at larger amplitude at some frequencies than at others. These are known as the system's resonant frequencies (or resonance frequencies). At these frequencies, even small periodic driving forces can produce large amplitude oscillations."
and here : "Electrical resonance occurs in an electric circuit at a particular resonance frequency when the impedance between the input and output of the circuit is at a minimum (or when the transfer function is at a maximum). Often this happens when the impedance between the input and output of the circuit is almost zero and when the transfer function is close to one.Resonant circuits exhibit ringing and can generate higher voltages and currents than are fed into them."
We clearly see that to keep system at resonance we have to feed it with impulses of strict frequency or harmonic of it and with a proper phase - periodic impulses.
Ok, then I assume that Tito can have a bank of caps , fill them with kicks from antenna then discharge at proper rate.Again seems feasible but cannot be done with normal resonance - try it!
now you see - it is not normal resonance but google and you will find....
"oscillator like child on swing"
Take a look at the picture- if you understand it ,you have now one additional puzzle (and one of two most important).... and you should see why every inventor struggle with damaged devices ;D
The most extraordinary is that I'm telling this without even having actual device :P Simply I'm handicapped now so I cannot make and cannot spend time in repair damaged room when it will runaway.
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oops, seems that I've told too much ::) Please do not speed up the natural process of learning, we all have to keep up and think globally about context.
It is not only about free energy, it's also about a change in life for many. Think for example about people in deep Siberia. From the first look free energy should give them a free heat and power, but actually it's not that simple because they live now mostly due to jobs related to big oil industry.
Do you have all the solutions ????!
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http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm
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Echoes are cool. Resonance. Re sound Ance
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Tito
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why don't you say it?, if it makes you feel better, don't worry i won't fight back i understand you sir.
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Tito, I hope you find true happiness.
That is the "ONLY" thing worth giving your family or son!
Just recently I started down this road.
You can't buy it .
You can't sell it.
It truly is priceless!
But its Free [sort of]
Sorry I said This-----------------
I hope you find true happiness!
Chet
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Read the Perigo story. Something valuable comes out of it. that is FE claims.... are claims!
by the way, stop licking Tito's ass. i offered him 1.000 REAL USD in case he can teach me.
No asnwer. IMO he has nothing to offer since he possess nothing even though he may think he has.
How naive you should be to believe that he possess the secret and still he will decide to give it to you in case you are good boys and girls?
Wake UP
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Hey Forest
I like what you said up there. =]
That picture of a page in a book, what book is that? Or could you take a better shot of that?
Is it showing a resonant circuit building power at the bottom?
I want to try some resonant circuits at low freq. Like 60 to 1000 hz.
Thanks for that post.
Mags
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Hey Forest
I like what you said up there. =]
That picture of a page in a book, what book is that? Or could you take a better shot of that?
Is it showing a resonant circuit building power at the bottom?
I want to try some resonant circuits at low freq. Like 60 to 1000 hz.
Thanks for that post.
Mags
Magluvin,
I haven't that book.This shot was taken from Donald Smith video.
However consider this:
"Flutter is a self-feeding and potentially destructive vibration where aerodynamic forces on an object couple with a structure's natural mode of vibration to produce rapid periodic motion. Flutter can occur in any object within a strong fluid flow, under the conditions that a positive feedback occurs between the structure's natural vibration and the aerodynamic forces. That is, that the vibrational movement of the object increases an aerodynamic load which in turn drives the object to move further. If the energy during the period of aerodynamic excitation is larger than the natural damping of the system, the level of vibration will increase, resulting in self-exciting oscillation. The vibration levels can thus build up and are only limited when the aerodynamic or mechanical damping of the object match the energy input, this often results in large amplitudes and can lead to rapid failure. Because of this, structures exposed to aerodynamic forces - including wings, aerofoils, but also chimneys and bridges - are designed carefully within known parameters to avoid flutter. It is however not always a destructive force; recent progress has been made in small scale (table top) wind generators for underserved communities in developing countries, designed specifically to take advantage of this effect.[1][2]"
This is nothing secret as you see. If we could redirect energy from such disasters as Tahoma Bridge collapse we would have exactly free energy device.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_%281940%29
Think clearly and you will be sure that it's simple and 100% possible. The only problem is in technical details of implementation.
power source->amplification->redirection of excess energy->energy capture
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Echoes are cool. Resonance. Re sound
yes! every echo gives us a lot of magnification and replication of electron. ;D
especially if we make use of an aluminum going to carbon the end result is times 3, wow we have a lot of energy.
from small tunnel to the bigger tunnel
don't forget the ice stone analogy ok.
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Hey Tito
I have heard you say carbon a few times. So it is just another facet that I have to look into. Not that I will find the answers for sure.
Thanks for the tid bits. =]
Mags
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Below is a picture of a Tesla machine. I studied the patent and Tesla abhorred coronal discharge. This was loss of electricity to the air. The streamers and spark people pull off a Tesla transformer is not what Tesla wanted. You will notice that it is very important to tesla that the radius of the secondary coil B (this is not the radius of the conductor but the outside diameter of the solenoid) be greater than the radius of the secondary capacitor. Tesla was charging that top capacitor to a very high charge. He didnt want any breakout along the secondary coil. He repeatedly refers to the electrical density in this patent. This would appear to be the electrostatic surface charge one would find on a plate in a capacitor. He wanted this capacitor plate to have its charge state relavent to alot of capacitor plates far far away. While the hot current would flow without resistance through the earth the cold current would flow without resistance through the partial vacuum of the atomsphere. In this patent Tesla also warns of the amount of power involved here. He had millions of horsepower locked up in that tower. Which could be released in intervals much shorter than the ones used to produce the millions of horsepower. Another thing that is interesting is loose coupling of resonat receivers in the near field of the tower. When you have millions of horsepower maintained in an oscillator and you surround it with receivers that dont effect the primary oscillator or dampen it or load it but they drive loads. Things become interesting. The orginal poster of this patent was some grumpy scientist. This patent is worth the read. Best to read all the patents that Tesla refers to in this one. You can see his genious at work more clearly. Hubbard Myer Stan Deyo (birthday cake arrangement) all use a central oscillator with tuned oscillators in the near field of the driven one.
Modify The bumps on the capacitor plate up top increase the surface area of the plate. Imagine if you had some granular activated carbon like they are using in super caps. You would get some serious charge emitter.
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Hey Sparks
Lets say we have 1/1000 horse power pulses per second and pulse the LRC circuit with that. Also Lets imagine that our resonant LRC circuit is 1 hz. How many 1/1000 horse power pulses will it take to get the LRC circuit to contain 1 horse power?
If it is less than 1000 pulses, then that interests me.
Like lets say that 2 pulses in 2 seconds of 1/1000 hp can get the LRC to 4/1000 hp then that is a gain, I can say yep, this is a gain.
But lets say we need 1000 pulses of 1/1000 hp to get the LRC to 1 hp, then are we saying we have to wait 500 sec. to get 1 output pulse of 1/2 hp? This is what pulls me back and it just seems like a transformer of a different way.
Been studying some resonant circuits. But I doubt in common reading that I will find these answers. I have to try some things. If anyone has any resonance experiments I can try, that would be cool. =]
Mags
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Read the Perigo story. Something valuable comes out of it. that is FE claims.... are claims!
by the way, stop licking Tito's ass. i offered him 1.000 REAL USD in case he can teach me.
No asnwer. IMO he has nothing to offer since he possess nothing even though he may think he has.
How naive you should be to believe that he possess the secret and still he will decide to give it to you in case you are good boys and girls?
Wake UP
well, so you are offering me a thousand dollar, my general energy amplification method will change the world, what do you think? your must be kidding, ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Read the Perigo story. Something valuable comes out of it. that is FE claims.... are claims!
by the way, stop licking Tito's ass. i offered him 1.000 REAL USD in case he can teach me.
No asnwer. IMO he has nothing to offer since he possess nothing even though he may think he has.
How naive you should be to believe that he possess the secret and still he will decide to give it to you in case you are good boys and girls?
Wake UP
your words makes me feel some kind of an orgasmic energy, i think this is another door for a new energy its unexplainable energy! lol ha ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i think etheric energy is the siblings of orgasmic energy. lol ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D
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Dear Sparks,
I admire your understanding on Tesla's work.
Do you think B coil is extra coil?
Russian Samara has clearly shown the region of extra coil can be captured by a capacitor plate and used with a lamp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXiS72-vn6w
If B is extra coil with very small relative diameter than primary and secondary, why is it smaller diameter?
What is scalar or longitudinal waves got to do with extra coil and top part?
Thanks for your explanations..
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Dear Sparks,
I admire your understanding on Tesla's work.
Do you think B coil is extra coil?
Russian Samara has clearly shown the region of extra coil can be captured by a capacitor plate and used with a lamp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXiS72-vn6w
If B is extra coil with very small relative diameter than primary and secondary, why is it smaller diameter?
What is scalar or longitudinal waves got to do with extra coil and top part?
Thanks for your explanations..
It shown nothing tgat TESLA done before.
Its coralate with normal hertzian waves.
will work also over long distance.
If both (transmitter and receivers are grounded wired ore capacatitive to tgriend)
so the antennas must be connected together .
BUT in anyway, you lost energy.
Pese
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Wow Pese, Thats a lot of stars. Maybe you and Tito could hash out that argument.
Mags
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Tito couldn't lick Pese's boots.
Pese is a "Man" of conviction.
Tito is a --------------
Chet
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Magluvin
5 stars cannot make you a sheriff ;D
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Thats Why Im just a deputy, 4 stars. =]
Forest is Sheriff Pese is the General
Mags
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Wasting my time here...
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to much honor... but tks.
my english is so low quality, so i was swap to
overunity.de since 2 jears,
i will see next time mor the english forum
to fishing news that is no to find in the german forum
if some technical details are needed pls write an messy
also you will find an collection of links (open directory)
in
http://gpese.stormloader.com/OU/ english and german link collection.
this html are only runnig fine at LINUX ,
and i must add the command <pre> in each file ,
so that its run on win. i will do this next weeks.
you can do this also if you downloading an html file of your interests.
Gustav Pese
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Pese,
Only practice makes perfect, as they say. Therefore, if you don't participate in the English forums you will not better your language skill.
Besides, you seem to have knowledge and experience you can part onto others, so why deny everyone that? :)
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to much honor... but tks.
my english is so low quality, so i was swap to
overunity.de since 2 jears,
i will see next time mor the english forum
to fishing news that is no to find in the german forum
if some technical details are needed pls write an messy
also you will find an collection of links (open directory)
in
http://gpese.stormloader.com/OU/ english and german link collection.
this html are only runnig fine at LINUX ,
and i must add the command <pre> in each file ,
so that its run on win. i will do this next weeks.
you can do this also if you downloading an html file of your interests.
Gustav Pese
hi sir pese long time no look, i missed you sir :)
welcome aboard. ;D
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Hey Teets
Do you use aluminum for your coils or copper?
Thanks
Mags
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Tito couldn't lick Pese's boots.
Pese is a "Man" of conviction.
Tito is a --------------
Chet
hi chet good ----------- ;D
how are you --------- ;D
you look ------------ ;D
and you smell --------- ;D
nice ----------- ;D
want my ----------- ;D
goodbye ---------- ;D
see they are free words ;D ;D ;D ;D
there really lots of frees in this world, were so lucky! ;D
see if those words are coil connected to an antenna of different frqs then we have lots of energy. 7805 is really good in current amplification isn't it?
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Hey Teets
Do you use aluminum for your coils or copper?
Thanks
Mags
no im not using alum. copper only but in trifilar style, im using alum for safety and chemical current producer.
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@ all
here is a tip to all of you!
Infront of you is a 1.5 volts battery, now think of a way to amplify the current and voltage. and that process is the SECRET!
Well, joule thief is near but not the perfect one.
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Wasting my time here...
Ok if i can collect atleast 1M USD, i will reveal the secret! seriously! >:( , but i don't know how can it be done cause no one here trust each other and they all want everything free ;D
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Teets
ya know you could write a book, and that would get you the million + everyone will buy one.
That way you dont have to deal in danger. =]
Mags
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Teets
ya know you could write a book, and that would get you the million + everyone will buy one.
That way you dont have to deal in danger. =]
Mags
well, i already think of that, but the secret is so simple and easy to get once they see it then it is finished.
actually if i viewed the circuit diagram, even just a twinkling of an eye you will remember it because of its simplicity.
anyway thanks for the sugestion ;)
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well, i already think of that, but the secret is so simple and easy to get once they see it then it is finished.
actually if i viewed the circuit diagram, even just a twinkling of an eye you will remember it because of its simplicity.
anyway thanks for the sugestion ;)
As stated by most people here...If you have something to share then share it. I'm not sure why you keep wasting our time and yours on this forum if all you're going to write about is how you found some great secret and it's sooooooo easy and yet you won't tell us. If I was the moderater/admin. I would ban you.
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How many plates could we place around a Tesla magnifying transmittter attached to lightbulbs without loading the primary of the transmitting transformer. Perhaps one of the lightbulbs could be replaced with a resistor that develops enough voltage across it to direct some power into the primary transmitter. This would overcome the losses associated with the big rlc transmitting transformer. Oh I forgot most lightbulbs are glorified resistors.
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How many plates could we place around a Tesla magnifying transmittter attached to lightbulbs without loading the primary of the transmitting transformer. Perhaps one of the lightbulbs could be replaced with a resistor that develops enough voltage across it to direct some power into the primary transmitter. This would overcome the losses associated with the big rlc transmitting transformer. Oh I forgot most lightbulbs are glorified resistors.
Tesla extra coil does not effect secondary so primary. Just replicate Samara video.. It is very similar to Kapanadze and open source and free. Why don't you give a try. I will release simulation and analytical results on Samara Tesla work. Kapanadze was in Turkey over the last 4 years. He had built 100 kW unit based on this principle. He came back 5 mo. ago and I have found him a big holding in Istanbul. He was a very hard person... But he is still a good friend..
@Pese those waves are Longitudinal as exactly Tesla said.. And when you load a extra coil with high voltage, then self capacitance is very important!! So extra coil behaves as a capacitor, but secondary acts as a inductor!
I understand Tito. He wants to make some money to survive, he has poor friends and help them. He can make prototypes and sell for 1000 USD. Than if he sells 1000 units, he has the money to survive.
You know many people is not able to even replicate or even understand what is bifilar or trifilar.
I can help him to find 3-4 people to give him 1000 USD for his invention. Does anybody has a video of his device and how much power it can put?
There are also some people who are interested in building 100 kW units in series and pay the inventor during the development and for sales of those units. So 10k for development and 10k for each unit sold.
He can make money easily. Let me have more info Tito. How much power does the system can put forward? At which frequency and voltage?
It is desired to have 10 kV, 50Hz for Turkey and region.
I work in an electrical contacting co. and we install 10 MW conventional power plants each year.
So potential is high. We need proof and high power only.. Give me a call if you want to proceed.
Nuri Temurlenk
+90 533 501 7166
nuri@teslaint.com
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I doubt if anyone understands tesla's magnifier transformer. Its JUST a extra high Q coil, able achieving EXCESSIVE EMF without veeing coupled inductively to anything.
How the f.. you think the extra coil could give you any energy? If capacitative or inductive coupling is tried then the effect is spoiled. Thus the extra coil should be far distant and isolated from all potential coupling interference.
This is sure the way not to do it. In kapanadze demos there is not ANY extra coil.
I suggest you read original Tesla documents instead of bubbling again and again terminology you do not comprehend.
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Again I ask the question does the PRIMARY of a Tesla resonant transformer require more energy input when the secondary is expanded or the secondary enlarged to many secondaries . Would not the horsepower developed by the phased input at the primary just be spread out into all the receivers. If we start at a million horesepower and this million horsepower is divided into a million receivers then the receivers all have one horsepower resonating in them. Perhaps someone can explain to me how the receiver secondaries are going to load the transmitter primary. With each additional receiver the size of the transmitting transformer is increased or magnified. The capacitance and inductance is added to the tank circuit so the circuit is enlarged while maintaining resonance.
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Again I ask the question does the PRIMARY of a Tesla resonant transformer require more energy input when the secondary is expanded or the secondary enlarged to many secondaries . Would not the horsepower developed by the phased input at the primary just be spread out into all the receivers. If we start at a million horesepower and this million horsepower is divided into a million receivers then the receivers all have one horsepower resonating in them. Perhaps someone can explain to me how the receiver secondaries are going to load the transmitter primary. With each additional receiver the size of the transmitting transformer is increased or magnified. The capacitance and inductance is added to the tank circuit so the circuit is enlarged while maintaining resonance.
actually, no, it doesn't require more energy, but we need at least three frequency to make a rotating magnetic field. the primary energy should be in a constant momentum so that the juice will flow freely. 8)
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then expect some unexpected!
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As stated by most people here...If you have something to share then share it. I'm not sure why you keep wasting our time and yours on this forum if all you're going to write about is how you found some great secret and it's sooooooo easy and yet you won't tell us. If I was the moderater/admin. I would ban you.
@ stprue
no need for you to ban me ok! >:( >:( >:(
I will just ban my self! ;D
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Tesla extra coil does not effect secondary so primary. Just replicate Samara video.. It is very similar to Kapanadze and open source and free. Why don't you give a try. I will release simulation and analytical results on Samara Tesla work. Kapanadze was in Turkey over the last 4 years. He had built 100 kW unit based on this principle. He came back 5 mo. ago and I have found him a big holding in Istanbul. He was a very hard person... But he is still a good friend..
@Pese those waves are Longitudinal as exactly Tesla said.. And when you load a extra coil with high voltage, then self capacitance is very important!! So extra coil behaves as a capacitor, but secondary acts as a inductor!
I understand Tito. He wants to make some money to survive, he has poor friends and help them. He can make prototypes and sell for 1000 USD. Than if he sells 1000 units, he has the money to survive.
You know many people is not able to even replicate or even understand what is bifilar or trifilar.
I can help him to find 3-4 people to give him 1000 USD for his invention. Does anybody has a video of his device and how much power it can put?
There are also some people who are interested in building 100 kW units in series and pay the inventor during the development and for sales of those units. So 10k for development and 10k for each unit sold.
He can make money easily. Let me have more info Tito. How much power does the system can put forward? At which frequency and voltage?
It is desired to have 10 kV, 50Hz for Turkey and region.
I work in an electrical contacting co. and we install 10 MW conventional power plants each year.
So potential is high. We need proof and high power only.. Give me a call if you want to proceed.
Nuri Temurlenk
+90 533 501 7166
nuri@teslaint.com
i will think for that. :)
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Why a rotating magnetic field. You can produce a rotating magnetic field simply by taking an input=and splitting it into two circuits. Two windings with matched impedance but in series resonance with different capacitors arranged around an annular or laminated ring will get you a rotating magnetic field. The frequency of the oscillation (a rotation is just an oscillation gone over the top) or speed of the rotating polarization of space dependent on the pulse train from the power scource.
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The answer surely is in question : can we duplicate electric signal having at the end two of them of twice the initial energy ?
The answer as I was told is : NO,we can't.
There are only two possibilities :
1. There is a way to do this with electric power. The only candidate I can think of is parametric oscillator.
2. There is no way to do this , but we can do this with magnetic current because it DOESN'T FOLLOW OHM LAW
echo is the answer but such kind which is an exact copy of source
Can we do this with electric current or electromagnetic field ?
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Why a rotating magnetic field. You can produce a rotating magnetic field simply by taking an input=and splitting it into two circuits. Two windings with matched impedance but in series resonance with different capacitors arranged around an annular or laminated ring will get you a rotating magnetic field. The frequency of the oscillation (a rotation is just an oscillation gone over the top) or speed of the rotating polarization of space dependent on the pulse train from the power scource.
actually if we add a little current in the rotating magnetic field, it makes a very big difference in the device, its like a triode vacuum tube effect.
@all
you know what? there is no more secret here anymore, the only thing that is not reveal here is the arrangement and the process detail ok!.
all components are already said. amazing ;D
i think FLOYD SWEET device info will help more ok.
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The power to get the system ringing is input at one rate. This creates times when a very high charge seperation occurs or a very screwed up magnetic flux density occurs. The rest of the scources that create the ambient field conditions for these parameters respond to the standing wave. When the reactive power in a system is extended so that you are in the system then the reactive power becomes real power.
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Sparks, you even understand what you are saying man?
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There are many ways to skin the cat but cat remains the same and the result is the same.
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Let's say someone did release the concept of free energy. Then, some how, explained it in a way that all the morons of the world could understand it. They would never think of it them self's, their morons. They have never had the desire for deep mental thought. They never wanted the understanding that makes figuring out these hard problems. Their brains are inferior to the Tesla's of the world.
So some how those inferior small minded people now have a technique for building a free energy device. They still don't know how it works and they don't care. All they know is step one, step two, step three and they have free energy.
Congratulation! is what the inventor gets. A few pats on the back, and some, "atta boy"'s. He may even get some money or cash. Life is still hard for him, he still has to do all the little chores of life plus the biggest chore of all, trying to comprehend everything in the world. The inventor is still brilliant and understanding the world even better, maybe coming up with some more ideas.
Several years pass by. The recipients of the free energy technique come visit the inventor. But this time there are more of them than when this thing started out. There are ten times more of them or HUNDREDS OF TIMES more of them. They tell the inventor; "Your invention worked very well. It made all of our lives easier. It helped so much we were all able to have these big beautiful families. Our children never had to work so they were able to devote all their time to making lots and lots of grand children. Now, Mr.Inventor, we are so successful and there are so many of us we need the space you occupy for our little grand children. We need you to move to a smaller house so we have all the big houses."
The bad part of it is that all those children and grand children are just like their parents, dumb as dirt, no habit of thinking clearly, taking what ever they want because it's all free to them. Now there are billions of them. In a little while there will be trillions of them.
So here is what the inventor would get;
1) Little thanks.
2) No peers, only morons.
3) A flood of people that would not be alive with out him all wanting his space on the planet.
The first question that should be asked when searching for free energy is "What are we going to to with all the worthless people?"
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That's what the government is questioning themselves and that's the reason why we don't get latest free energy generators - which I assume does exist, but is kept back. And I do agree while there is a huge number of people who just don't care about nothing but to make children, there should be something done to keep an order.
I would propose that there must be a limit on how much children are allowed to be "produced" in order to keep the balance. In order to achieve that it should be noted that a world government should exist.
Damn... I sound like an Illuminati :-\
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Big boy thoughts. What a mess I find myself in.
I'm sorry to say my sisters are like rabbits and with heads twisted like a not. I think some of them still believe in fairy tails. I couldn't tell them otherwise, on account of just how right they are.
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The first question that should be asked when searching for free energy is "What are we going to to with all the worthless people?"
I suggest you watch the movie "idiocracy". The future is not very bright!
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I understand what I am saying. It is just reiteration of electromagnetic wave theory. I see a very close resemblance between a resonant electrical circuit and a non radiating electromagnetic wave. A current flows between nodes and antinodes of an electromagnetic wave. It is not charged mass moving since there isnt any charged mass in a vacuum yet there is current flow. Two capacitor plates are polarized differently. Tesla puts his inductor in between his capacitor plates. Sometimes he uses the same mass as both a capacitor and an inductor. Tesla made a standing wave that grew in amplitude to unbelievable amounts. Listen to Eric Dollard. Make an electrically shortened quarter wave antennae and excite it with the proper input. To load the antennae get ready to have something that can handle 5000amps from a small oscillator output.
I hear ya Angry Scientist, I hear ya loud and clear. A nice big old treadmill would be a great way to power the grid. Just think if they used sound waves to charge the batteries in a cell phone. The sound waves would be produced by the utterances of idiots concerned about conveying important information like who is going to the game and what color hair you like best. That vital stuff everyone should know about. Then you wouldnt have to have cell phone chargers loading up the grid. I see treadmills big ones with the newest style cellphone as a prise for whoever can get it. Like the little rascals hanging a steak out infront of a dog who chases it all day never figuring out he is tied to the cart.
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Holy crap. STOP. Pull back, and read what some of you are writing, will ya?
What was written in couple of previous posts borderlines with some of the darkest chapters of the human history. NOBODY has the right to decide for anyone else but themselves. What you are proposing would in a few steps become deciding on who gets to live and who gets to die.
The true issue is that people had been tricked into absolving responsibility in favour of a false sense of security (no, not National security, but security in life). A perpetual loop has been established so that parents teach their children the way they have been taught by their parents, and so on. The (vicious) circle has to be broken first before anything can change. And truth stands on its own "and shall set you free" as they say.
Yours, mine, everyone's life's purpose is not to mind other people's business, just your own. If you choose to share, that is your free will. If you choose to hoard, again that is your free will. Ultimately, in the grand scheme of things it does not matter as things always find a way to the balance. If you do not do something that needs to happen, someone else will do it instead.
Well enough of that.
On the subject at hand, how many of you actually remember that *everything* is really just a wave, a vibration of sort?
I mean, some are throwing around all kinds of terms and what not, ie "charged mass moving", etc? WHAT MASS, I ASK YOU?
Can you really, honestly tell me you actually KNOW there is something out there, beyond the confounds of your point of presence - the conscious/sub-conscious? Do you really think your body is solid, the chair you are sitting on right now, the keyboard you are touching, or even that "charged mass" moving in some "space"?
We HAVE to stop being obsessed with mass and physicality, as the solution to what we seek is not there. Mass and physicality might be a (by)products of wave/vibration, and wave/vibration itself might be a (by)product of something else. If what we perceive was anything but wave/vibration, ie. mass, particles, etc, it would consume itself in an instant and cease to exist.
We don't even know what a wave/vibration is. You go look on Wikipedia, for example, for their explanation and they say:
A wave is a disturbance that propagates through space and time, usually with transference of energy.
What the...?!? "Disturbance" that propagates through SPACE and TIME; transference of ENERGY?!? How can you explain one unknown with three (3) more and call it "true" or a "fact"? If you then go and read about what SPACE is, for example, you get:
Space is the boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction.
I'll just finish the thought so you catch my drift:
Wave -> Space -> Objects (Physical Body) -> Mass -> Matter -> Substance-> (unknown) / Wave (sic)
We reach the end, for after an abstract called "Substance" there's no explanation what that is, so I guess we take it on "faith" that through some magic it must be so? (I added Wave for your convenience).
Don't you think we are running in circles here, a closed loop, chasing our own tail?
Do you now see how loosely our perception and knowledge are based on abstracts that we have no idea what they really are.
I know you might think this has nothing to do with Tesla, but we must understand the fundamental building block before we can understand the "wheel work of Nature"...
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Tito
2 things
By your estimation, are you experiencing real cold electricity like tesla? The real deal, you know how to differentiate between cold and hot electricity?
Also, Is it possible to capture radiant energy using plates near the coil? I mean, is this one of the things needed to be?
Im getting good experience with resonance with the Orbonbon setup. When the capacitor is in resonance with the coil, being I have the right freq coil and cap, the output is greatly increased but the input is reduced.
Sooo, if you have a motor or whatever running and there is no resonance present throughout the running range of the motor, and we get close to 90% efficiency, from that alone, then figure in some resonance, which will reduce the input and raise the output and we can easily get more than another 10 percent, at least from what I am experiencing with Orbonbon bonanna fee fi fo fanna Orbonbon! =]
Mags shakin it up
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A current flows between nodes and antinodes of an electromagnetic wave. It is not charged mass moving since there isnt any charged mass in a vacuum yet there is current flow.
A current of what? water? :)
Two capacitor plates are polarized differently. Tesla puts his inductor in between his capacitor plates. Sometimes he uses the same mass as both a capacitor and an inductor.
From reading colorado springs notes, i can see that Tesla prefered the weight balance between primary secondary for unexplained reasons to me so far. yet, he prefered to connect the inductor (L1) only a single loop (hence hairpin), symmetrically to capacitors (two in series) because as the book says distributes the charge better...
Tesla made a standing wave that grew in amplitude to unbelievable amounts. Listen to Eric Dollard.
I can read Tesla's calculations. Actually in Colorado springs resonators, the amps circulating in a typical L2 is of the order of 10 amps or so. Not x,000's. Even in a standing wave, OHM's resistance is very valid. Just to remind you Q = ωL / R
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I smell Some kind of tracing happening in this forum ha? ;D
don't worry i'm everywhere, cause there are lots of computer rentals here in this Earth ha ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D
from now on i'll just be watching, somebody is looking ::)
bye! :P
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NOBODY has the right to decide for anyone else but themselves. What you are proposing would in a few steps become deciding on who gets to live and who gets to die.
Yes, but everyone's freedom ends there, when the freedom of others is getting more and more restricted. Fact is the majority of people cares about nothing at all. It is also fact that world population explodes. So how can someone think that everything will be good if everything goes on as it goes? So is it more "human" to let people produce many children, of which half of them have no future and no life (there are not that many jobs that everyone can have a job, suicide may result, criminality, a life in prison, death due to criminality etc.) or to restrict birth control to keep a balance?
Sorry to write again offtopic. It's my last offtopic post in here, else I suggest creating a new topic for that ;)
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Tito
2 things
By your estimation, are you experiencing real cold electricity like tesla? The real deal, you know how to differentiate between cold and hot electricity?
Also, Is it possible to capture radiant energy using plates near the coil? I mean, is this one of the things needed to be?
Im getting good experience with resonance with the Orbonbon setup. When the capacitor is in resonance with the coil, being I have the right freq coil and cap, the output is greatly increased but the input is reduced.
Sooo, if you have a motor or whatever running and there is no resonance present throughout the running range of the motor, and we get close to 90% efficiency, from that alone, then figure in some resonance, which will reduce the input and raise the output and we can easily get more than another 10 percent, at least from what I am experiencing with Orbonbon bonanna fee fi fo fanna Orbonbon! =]
Mags shakin it up
not yet experience that like tesla.
yes it is very possible, you can capture but it is very small energy. well depends on the distance from oscillating coil.
the ozone pat gives us a feel of cold electricity, a very high amps gives us hot electricity, it will burn everything,
one thing more, we can hold cold electricity because it is very low current and very high voltage ok.
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Yes, but everyone's freedom ends there, when the freedom of others is getting more and more restricted. Fact is the majority of people cares about nothing at all. It is also fact that world population explodes. So how can someone think that everything will be good if everything goes on as it goes? So is it more "human" to let people produce many children, of which half of them have no future and no life (there are not that many jobs that everyone can have a job, suicide may result, criminality, a life in prison, death due to criminality etc.) or to restrict birth control to keep a balance?
Sorry to write again offtopic. It's my last offtopic post in here, else I suggest creating a new topic for that ;)
there is no sufficient jobs for everyone for a long time ,that's why so many fake jobs were created
you should see that work is a bless but man life should not depend of this
there is enough place and resources on the Earth to feed 2-3 times the current human population, yet all those resources are artificially limited by greed
yes,people should learn and discover the true nature of reality with blessing work and joy and pray
look at the map http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth
why in Europe there is negative population growth ?
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Loner
The vid that the guy takes apart an AC induction motor to modify it and rearrange the wires and adding caps was interesting.
Find and read Secrets Of Cold War Technology It tells about the electricity that Tesla was working with. If the freq of operation is below a certain point, there were different effects, cold breezes, heat, objects moving, slap ya around the shop, stuff like that, but above that point it is harmless.
Its real. But if Teets says ya dont have to go that far and we can stick with electrons, Im ok with that. =]
Mags
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I was always under the impression that there is a flow of something between the positive terminal of a battery and the negative terminal of a battery though a circuit. This is independent of the flow of something between the negative terminal of a battery and the positive termial of a battery. In a semiconductor there is the flow of holes in the atomic lattice towards the negative terminal while on the other side of the barrier there is a flow of electrons towards the positive terminal. I presume that these holes dont weigh anything but they do move. So perhaps this is the media that moves between nodes and antinodes in an electromagnetic wave propogation. I would suggest that the holes which are void of any mass constraints can move very quickly. While the electron which pocesses mass properties can not. The charge differential about a proton appears to be in some sort of relationship with the difference in mass between it and the neutron. Almost like the missing mass manifests itself as positive charge.
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Let's say someone did release the concept of free energy. Then, some how, explained it in a way that all the morons of the world could understand it. They would never think of it them self's, their morons. They have never had the desire for deep mental thought. They never wanted the understanding that makes figuring out these hard problems. Their brains are inferior to the Tesla's of the world.
So some how those inferior small minded people now have a technique for building a free energy device. They still don't know how it works and they don't care. All they know is step one, step two, step three and they have free energy.
That's the way everything is my man.
Your breakfast this morning. How much of what you ate did you produce yourself. While you are working on this, others are working on their own things, like growing food, while some are practicing surgery techniques that will save you form your future heart attack, while another is waking up at 4 AM to plow the snow, while another is working at the docks to unload your next toy.
We are all intertwined in the same maze called survival. It is society as a whole, taking care of all those millions of needs, that permits you, the supposed big brainiac, to stop everything else to contemplate the universe. Otherwise you would be busy plowing your field and milking your goats and you would not have the time of day to even ponder 1 watt.
So please don't attack people that you classify as weak brained or ignorant. How much do you know about ballet, how well can you plant seeds and make them grow, how well can you raise the next Einstein, we are all part of the same.
What we are working on here is the same as inventing the next way to make a fire. Imagine you can make fire anywhere, with anything and the source of the fire will not deplete. Now imagine only one man holding that knowledge. Imagine all the enemies he will have if he does not give such a high level invention to the world, without preference to who or why it is given. The only way an inventor of such a high level device will survive in this world is to give it out freely to the world, so NO ONE CAN SAY - WHY DID YOU NOT GIVE IT TO US. All must have it at the same time. There is no other way. Prove the contrary. Who survived the patent crap and made a dime on this. No one.
@Tito
If you have the answer, then you are more then foolish to not put it out here NOW. Not tomorrow, not when your son grows up. Not to be kept for your family. If you had half a monkeys brain, you would know that hiding a pile of bananas from the group will not be very good for your overall health, and chances are you are going to die trying to hold the secret for yourself. What a crock.
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wattsup
While you are generally right I think things are not so easy.Do you have a scope,tools, devices to develop ideas, a nice place to work on them ? Do you have resources to lathe,drill,make a coil you imagined ?
I haven't, maybe Tito also. I think that a honest inventor having that huge secret would expect some kind of investment which at least can allow him to develop his ideas further into a working prototypes and a sell-able devices.Our current society do not understand that.
Once released , such kind of knowledge will help first those wealthy people having all resources and workers to implement any kind of commercial production. Inventor will be placed immediately at the end of this chain: wealthy people -> engineers->well-off people->poorer people->inventor
I'm not against releasing this knowledge but let inventor advance also by this process.
Imagine Tesla working as a common worker for Edison and patenting all AC motors and generators on behalf of Edison.Edison then would fire Tesla anytime.
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I am quite sure that Tesla was rewarded in other ways than money. Imagine sitting back and surveying New York illuminated at night. Or visiting his viscosity driven turbines which need no daming to operate. An the hope that his dreams would one day become a reality to increase the mass of man as he would say.
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That's because he has given to us complete working devices, not just a useless prototypes. That REQUIRE a laboratory with good equipment, which Tesla had.
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Thats because he was an electrical guru to the corporate buffoons at the time. They needed him. They used him and threw him asside like a piece of toilet paper. When he threatened their economic control they burnt down his lab and tore down his tower. He had some lawyer sucking his blood that was into patenting everything. This kinda backfired if you know what I mean. Tesla never claimed that energy came from no where. But he new an oscillation when he saw one. He knew how to change and oscillation into a current and a current into and oscillation. The tacoma narrows bridge didnt fail when the wind wasnt blowing.
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wind is always blowing if you know what I mean sun wind
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There is this other wind too that accelerates things. It changes in intensity depending on the alignment of certain massive bodies. From the lowly electron to the mighty galaxtic black holes. Check out electron drift. To make sure you get the charged mass to drift in your circuit you better pay attention to the gravitational acceleration of mass towards other mass.
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Magluvin, what you describe is the exact concept behind the motor-generator that supposedly does work. I think the term rotovator was coined to describe it.
This was simply a normal motor connected to a generator, with the motor input tuned to resonance. Problem was/is the motor resonance changes with load, so tuning becomes a problem, etc. etc.
I never properly applied this simple concept to the input of an MT before, and with some other concepts mentioned here, this sounds like a good place to look for certain things.
Tito, I do question a certain thing on "Cold" electricity. In the VTA documentation and videos, Floyd described the "Frosting" of wires when shorted and mentioned the several weeks of pain when he was shocked by the direct output. (I don't remember if freezing of his fingers was mentioned.) If properties reverse slightly, do you think that High current, due to high resistance of fingers in a Cold Electricity short at high current would be responsible? I have yet to obtain a High current, low voltage cold electricity source, and so have no real data to go on. I'm hoping you might have some experience/info??
Amigo, you have good insights on this, and thought I read and understand what you mean, I cannot comment at this time. Too much of a gear change after the comments made above.
As to certain other outrageous comments made by others, Inventors are in it for the knowledge, or they aren't inventors, they are businessmen. Greed, like gold, can corrupt most unenlightened persons. As to the rest, you don't want my opinion.
Opps, spent another sleepless night on this site, while doing remote computer work. Apologies for wandering remarks, but splitting concentration between here and the net is never a good idea.
There is a certain condition that a current and voltage grows at the same time, tesla 8)
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@ sir wattsup
The pressure of a capacitor 8)
That is 1/2 of the secret!. and that is half of my monkey brain ha! ha! ha! ha! lol ;D ;D ;D
i will give the other half nextime or you solve it!
bye sir hope you get it.
i have to hide now cause i feel crock ;D
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Thats because he was an electrical guru to the corporate buffoons at the time. They needed him. They used him and threw him asside like a piece of toilet paper. When he threatened their economic control they burnt down his lab and tore down his tower. He had some lawyer sucking his blood that was into patenting everything. This kinda backfired if you know what I mean. Tesla never claimed that energy came from no where. But he new an oscillation when he saw one. He knew how to change and oscillation into a current and a current into and oscillation. The tacoma narrows bridge didnt fail when the wind wasnt blowing.
I claimed that energy came from coils and coils sucks energy from no where! or everywhere ;D 8)
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hi any one ;D
if you figured it out please don't forget me ok :)
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Na Not yet Teets. I know you think we are close. But it is just too little to go on yet.
Thanks
Mags
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Thats because he was an electrical guru to the corporate buffoons at the time. They needed him. They used him and threw him asside like a piece of toilet paper. When he threatened their economic control they burnt down his lab and tore down his tower. He had some lawyer sucking his blood that was into patenting everything. This kinda backfired if you know what I mean. Tesla never claimed that energy came from no where. But he new an oscillation when he saw one. He knew how to change and oscillation into a current and a current into and oscillation. The tacoma narrows bridge didnt fail when the wind wasnt blowing.
Tesla repaired a bunch of Edison's generators that had burnt out. His reward? Edison laughed off his promised reward of 50,000 dollars as a 'little joke' that he had made at the time and chastised Tesla for taking him seriously. When Tesla invented AC which threatened Edison's DC monopoly, Edison embarked on a vicious disinformation campaign electrocuting animals to 'prove' the dangers of AC. It's called 'aggressive capitalism' and it continues today, unabated.
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Me again, with another reminder... :)
Perhaps it is due to remind everyone that even though Tesla appeared to be altruistic in his endeavors, he did have almost limitless resources available to him for the good part of his inventor's life. The money made from the patents and sale of electrical equipment did finance the research, as well as funding from private parties who were interested to see some of the research out in the World.
Tesla could have anything fabricated as one of his best friends was a Hungarian engineer (former schoolmate I believe), who also was the guy in charge of Tesla's own machine-shop. Beside that, Tesla always had a fairly good laboratory space and equipment at his disposal and was not bogged down by day-to-day non-sense that the rest of us have to put up with (work, bills, life, etc). He could work till the wee hours of the morning and into the next day without interruptions, or not do anything for days on and just contemplate things in his head.
I know that not many of us have that luxury today, and that we are all tinkering here and there to the best of our abilities. Unfortunately, I do not believe we are going to get anywhere either, as I wrote in one of the threads in the Energetic Forum, because we are all hoping that one of us will just "stumble upon" a solution by accident.
And this goes out to Tito, who claims to have something (as in "stumbled upon"). If you indeed do then put it out to the scrutiny of time and the audiences. Only the truth and the facts can withstand that test, while saving it for future generations will do little good if what you have is not true.
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The people who really screwed over Tesla was Westinghouse Corporation. Tesla just kept on coming up with bigger and better improvements and Westinghouse pulled the plug. Imagine being on the board of directors of a corporation that just invested every last dime of stock money it could raise into factories producing ac generators transformers and motors. They have customers lined up from one end of the Earth to the other. The head of Research and Development comes in and tells you Tesla has just designed a motionless dynamo. How fast would you first put a spy in Tesla's lab. Then how fast would you order a burn down of the lab. How many moves would you be willing to take to protect the stockholders future acquisition of money and your political carrer inside the corporation pig pile.
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Yea Sparks, and these days are no different. Maybe I better slow down on my showing the advancements with Orbonbon. I wouldnt want my shop burned down.
Mags
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Me again, with another reminder... :)
Perhaps it is due to remind everyone that even though Tesla appeared to be altruistic in his endeavors, he did have almost limitless resources available to him for the good part of his inventor's life. The money made from the patents and sale of electrical equipment did finance the research, as well as funding from private parties who were interested to see some of the research out in the World.
Tesla could have anything fabricated as one of his best friends was a Hungarian engineer (former schoolmate I believe), who also was the guy in charge of Tesla's own machine-shop. Beside that, Tesla always had a fairly good laboratory space and equipment at his disposal and was not bogged down by day-to-day non-sense that the rest of us have to put up with (work, bills, life, etc). He could work till the wee hours of the morning and into the next day without interruptions, or not do anything for days on and just contemplate things in his head.
I know that not many of us have that luxury today, and that we are all tinkering here and there to the best of our abilities. Unfortunately, I do not believe we are going to get anywhere either, as I wrote in one of the threads in the Energetic Forum, because we are all hoping that one of us will just "stumble upon" a solution by accident.
And this goes out to Tito, who claims to have something (as in "stumbled upon"). If you indeed do then put it out to the scrutiny of time and the audiences. Only the truth and the facts can withstand that test, while saving it for future generations will do little good if what you have is not true.
Correct. But don't forget that Tesla habitually spent almost every penny of what he earned on further research, like the true scientist that he was. When it became apparent that his Colorado Tower was designed for the ultimate purpose of distributing free electricity, Mr. 'where do you put the meter' JP Morgan pulled the plug and the whole project was demolished, just prior to completion. Consequently we have been deprived of what could have been a revolutionary, epoch-transforming achievement - and don't forget that Tesla's New York laboratory was burned down, a fate he narrowly escaped. If you think this was an 'accident', carry on drinking the kool-aid.
However, you are right when you say that hoping that someone else will 'stumble on the truth by accident' isn't good enough - we have to do the work ourselves.
We know that even if someone makes an amazing discovery and puts it out there, they can still be demolished. The work can be obscured or discredited by those trained in the art, the discovery stolen by a ruthless enterpreneur, or the hapless inventor can have an 'accident'. So you have to use your brain, not only so that Pandora opens the magic box, but to make sure what comes out never goes back in again.
Personally I'm convinced that Tesla unlocked secrets of free energy, just look at the Pierce Arrow car episode - but even then he was having trouble with
his secretary talking, people stealing his work, or the financial rug pulled out from under him, as in the case of Morgan. Perhaps he wanted to talk openly about it, but was instead forced to 'encode' the information in such a way for future researchers to unravel through their own efforts.
The military, who up until his death dismissed his work, saw fit to steal trunkloads of his documents and claim it for themselves. These were subsequently 'lost in the pipeline' if we are to believe their statements.
I don't think they were 'lost' at all, they were used for exotic earthquake weapons, and not in the way they should have been, to release the secrets of free energy for the benefit of humanity.
So when you mention 'funding from private parties who were interested to see some of the research out in the world' let's not forget that these same extremely wealthy 'private parties' have a massive interest in suppressing technology which can set the people free, and have demonstrated their intent over and over again.
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The people who really screwed over Tesla was Westinghouse Corporation. Tesla just kept on coming up with bigger and better improvements and Westinghouse pulled the plug. Imagine being on the board of directors of a corporation that just invested every last dime of stock money it could raise into factories producing ac generators transformers and motors. They have customers lined up from one end of the Earth to the other. The head of Research and Development comes in and tells you Tesla has just designed a motionless dynamo. How fast would you first put a spy in Tesla's lab. Then how fast would you order a burn down of the lab. How many moves would you be willing to take to protect the stockholders future acquisition of money and your political carrer inside the corporation pig pile.
Originally, George Westinghouse was Tesla's trusted friend, someone he confided in - and because of this compromised with Westinghouse over royalties when he could have made much more. But money and power creates complications, financial entanglements perhaps overwhelmed Westinghouse's integrity, no doubt the man with a nose resembling an ugly potato with warts, JP Morgan, had a hand in these hidden pressures. A book about Tesla called 'Wizard' by Marc Seifer goes a long way to unravelling the entanglements and corporate influences surrounding Tesla's endeavours and reveals much about the man's eccentricities, his obsessive-compulsive drive, his blind spots, his generosity, and his human failings.
What the book glosses over and does not go into sufficiently, in my opinion, is Tesla's late research into the ether and radiant electricity.
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Assuming someones stumbles upon... and takes the courage to tell how he did it. Assuming it can be done relatively easy. Then others just replicate it and tell to others..
Assuming my friends this is the case, THEN i will be scared most. Because i would know that free energy exists for real, and if being surpressed so far, they would not hesitate to storm the apartment of each one of us and throw us to a Guantanamo type jail for the rest of our short lives. Or at best to do our lives miserable.
In any case i just would not dared to claim such thing alone. I would be far safer to be a part of a global movement even if some economic benefits from my local society could come to me personally for pioneering in this field.
Rushing to a patent office like an idiot will be futile even in thought. Not to mention to make a deal with a big business in the energy field...
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Assuming someones stumbles upon... and takes the courage to tell how he did it. Assuming it can be done relatively easy. Then others just replicate it and tell to others..
Assuming my friends this is the case, THEN i will be scared most. Because i would know that free energy exists for real, and if being surpressed so far, they would not hesitate to storm the apartment of each one of us and throw us to a Guantanamo type jail for the rest of our short lives. Or at best to do our lives miserable.
In any case i just would not dared to claim such thing alone. I would be far safer to be a part of a global movement even if some economic benefits from my local society could come to me personally for pioneering in this field.
Rushing to a patent office like an idiot will be futile even in thought. Not to mention to make a deal with a big business in the energy field...
You can spend your whole life terrified, and things remain exactly as they are. Who benefits from this situation? the people who want you to be scared and do nothing. There is no 'global movement' to fall back on - there are no particular 'economic benefits' for the free energy 'enterpreneur' - there is no 'big business deal' waiting in the wings. Why? because international corporations are in control, and they don't wan't competition. Who controls them? do your research, and you'll find out.
What really counts is your passion, your intelligence, and your willingness to commit yourself - that's something money can't buy.
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Don't be so pessimistic my friend. Have some faith in the power of many. What the f...k can do the Will and Devotion of oneself in comparison to a solid movement of many. In real terms...
Empires (rise and) fall... and revolutions arise.
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Don't be so pessimistic A. Have some faith in the power of many. What the f...k can do the Will and Devotion of oneself in comparison to a solid movement of many. In real terms...
Empires (rise and) fall... and revolutions arise.
Yes, that's true. I'm not pessimistic, by the way, just cautious. Look at it this way - for nearly a hundred years numerous dedicated, brilliant people have tried to bring free energy into the world. Why did they fail? the solid movement of many, seems to be having a rest.
I suggest that one problem is getting funding from corporations - and that's why so many devices have been bought out and shelved that should be with us by now.
Don't get me wrong, I do think there are ways out of the impasse, and I'm positive things will change...
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I'm sorry to say but all so called "grass roots" and/or other movements are infiltrated by the ruling powers and they ensure that nothing is ever achieved or it's steered in totally opposite direction of what the movement was originally formed for. Don't believe me? Go look around any movement and dig a bit and you'll see...
So, the solution is not to hoard the knowledge, not to wait for some organization to take care of it, and to make it as wide spread as fast as possible. As long as we have the interweb nobody can stop the exchange of information. Therefore, be very afraid of a strong possibility that the web would be shut down sometime in the future, if anything major happens that would offset the balance or hurt the ruling powers.
It is NEVER too late to start downloading all those websites you have bookmarked that you find useful, because one morning you might wake up and they won't be there. Matter a fact, there would be no web, collapsed or shut-down for whatever reason. My guesses would be due to terrorism, natural catastrophe, or other new (fabricated) "threat" we might be facing.
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This is a legitimate probability amigo!
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I'm sorry to say but all so called "grass roots" and/or other movements are infiltrated by the ruling powers and they ensure that nothing is ever achieved or it's steered in totally opposite direction of what the movement was originally formed for. Don't believe me? Go look around any movement and dig a bit and you'll see...
So, the solution is not to hoard the knowledge, not to wait for some organization to take care of it, and to make it as wide spread as fast as possible. As long as we have the interweb nobody can stop the exchange of information. Therefore, be very afraid of a strong possibility that the web would be shut down sometime in the future, if anything major happens that would offset the balance or hurt the ruling powers.
It is NEVER too late to start downloading all those websites you have bookmarked that you find useful, because one morning you might wake up and they won't be there. Matter a fact, there would be no web, collapsed or shut-down for whatever reason. My guesses would be due to terrorism, natural catastrophe, or other new (fabricated) "threat" we might be facing.
I agree with your view. In fact, there are indications that an accelerating movement for control of the internet is underway - a multi-pronged effort.
Obama surrendering the internet to foreign powers:
http://newsmax.com/Headline/obama-internet-iana-united/2010/01/31/id/348514
There are several other tools being 'deployed'. 'Anti-terrorist' legislation proposed by Jay Rockefeller, who sees the internet as a dangerous breeding ground for extremists and cyber-warfare hackers, and would prefer to see it shut down altogether;
Legislation proposed by Cass Sunstein who is considering banning free speech, banning 'conspiracy theorizing' i.e. discussing ideas which contradict 'state-mandated truth'; imposing a tax on those who disseminate such ideas;
Infiltrating such groups with provocateurs intent on causing disruption; citing the belief that 'Global warming is a deliberate fraud' as an example of a conspiracy theory to be countered by government action. Did you read 1984? here we are.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-information-czar-calls-for-banning-free-speech.html
Look closely at 'Hate speech' legislation in Europe and elsewhere and you'll recognise what it's really there to accomplish - a state of paralysis where no-one will take the risk of speaking out, for fear of offending some group or interest.
Now it's being proposed that we should all have a 'license' to go on the internet, in other words you are guilty until proved innocent:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/enemies-of-free-speech-call-for-internet-licensing.html
There is also the much vaunted 'Internet 2' much faster, and of course, much more controlled and taxed - anyone who doesn't go along with this will find themselves paying for the privelege of each web site they visit, and an increasingly degraded service.
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I think if we take little impulses and put them into a resonant tank each little impulse is stored in the tank. It does not leave this machine. The whole tank is an energy storer upper. Proper phasing of the input is critical. This way a very small charge driven current can soon become a very powerful current INSIDE THE OSCILLATOR. After a while there are enough impulses stored in the oscillator to let em go resulting in a much more meaningful event then the individual impulses could ever effect on their own. Like driving motors from radio receivers in cars. Tesla loved capacitors. Capacitors dont give a damn about the passage of time. If you were inside a capacitor time would stand still. There would be absolutely no change in the electromagnetic input to your eyes and ears and nerve endings. Upon emerging from the capacitor things would be different. Time didnt standstill out there. It was changing alot.
Hey sparks, having being Inspired by Colorado Springs notes (a suggestion of Tito hahahaa :) ) i am gonna proceed in replicating a basic Amplification circuit Tesla proposes.
see photo.. and i will report (July 4, Colorado Springs notes)
ps: If someone succeeds here, i will be the first to praise Tito
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Look what I have found !
[See Nikola Tesla: Colorado Springs Notes, page 335, Photograph XI.]
FIG. 8. EXPERIMENT TO ILLUSTRATE THE CAPACITY OF THE OSCILLATOR FOR PRODUCING ELECTRICAL EXPLOSIONS OF GREAT POWER.
Note to Fig. 8.—The coil, partly shown in the photograph, creates an alternative movement of electricity from the earth into a large reservoir and back at a rate of one hundred thousand alternations per second. The adjustments are such that the reservoir is filled full and bursts at each alternation just at the moment when the electrical pressure reaches the maximum. The discharge escapes with a deafening noise, striking an unconnected coil twenty-two feet away, and creating such a commotion of electricity in the earth that sparks an inch long can be drawn from a water main at a distance of three hundred feet from the laboratory.
That is from http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm
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sometimes I imagine Tito sitting in a chair in a room with coils everywhere and lightning banging off of everything. lol
What would be really cool is to know how to get the power without the big earth ground like the car.
Mags
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Cool vid and soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/user/MattBlytheTheOne#p/u/13/o7NdxnjetSw
Mags
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MagS
Geese ,I never thought "Teets" would have a British accent?
http://www.youtube.com/user/MattBlytheTheOne#p/u/13/o7NdxnjetSw
Chet
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Tito L. Oracion is my favorite towel brand ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! :P
by the way i am "PLENUM" in Energeticforum.com incidentally one of the secret! ;D
ooops sorry i smell danger!
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Lol I just thought it fit here. The guy says in another vid that you can charge alkaline cells in chargers, ya just have to charge an hour at a time till charged with cooling cycles. That could be done with a timer.
Mags
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It can work that way but spark gap must be moved near the first transformer.
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by the way i am "PLENUM" in Energeticforum.com incidentally one of the secret! ;D
Are you just as helpful there?
Are you also IST on this forum?
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Are you just as helpful there?
Are you also IST on this forum?
well, thank you for the insult, i can get nothing from you! :P ;D ;D ;D :P
and i am more handsome than him ok. i feel that he is bald because of high voltage effect. lol ;D ;D ;D ;D
talk to IST if i am him ok ;D
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when plenum is releasing gas the pressure inside drops and it sucks gas from place with lower pressure
IF releasing gas can be used to rise pressure inside to the same value as before or greater then this works like a pump
would that require a huge amount of gas ?
plenum = condenser ?
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Hey sparks, having being Inspired by Colorado Springs notes (a suggestion of Tito hahahaa :) ) i am gonna proceed in replicating a basic Amplification circuit Tesla proposes.
see photo.. and i will report (July 4, Colorado Springs notes)
ps: If someone succeeds here, i will be the first to praise Tito
This circuit is not so good.
learn here more to select better one (from Tesla writings)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes03.htm#Colorado%20Springs%20Notes%20-%20July%201-31,%201899
Pese
Link my (unprofessional) collection
http://gpese.stormloader.com/OU/
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Those notes give us valuable insights into the line of experimentation Tesla undertook. One of the most exciting discoveries and this was a discovery not a scientific process was the magnometer in the lightning storm. The lightning was causing currents to flow from cloud to Earth through the Earth and back to oppositely polarized mass. This produced a magnetic response in the field of the Earth. Not really a major stumbling block for basic electrical phenomenon to be realized. The real fascinating part is as the lightning storm moved away from the magnometer there was of course a less intensive response by the magnometer but there was a repetitive response of the magnometer that came in 20minute intervals. The storm is 200 miles away and yet it takes 20minutes for the information to get from the current to the magnometer. This continued on for I dont know how many cycles before the signal from the lightning induced currents dropped below threshold or ambient field conditions. What this is shouting to me is that there exists a predictable scource of change in the ambient electromagnetic fields of Earth itself. The lightning induced magnetic field anomaly rode the very slow change in the electromagnetic atmosphere we call Earth. The scource of the electomagnetic field changes in the Earth are not a concern of mine it is that they are present that excites me. The frequency of this change is very very low but that it changes is the key. Below is my idea about how to capitolize on such a change.
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@ Pese,
perhaps as you note, the posted circuit is not the ideal for attaining high Q resonance, by the way, it is the one i consider perfect for my case and will be applied for two major reasons:
1st)
The main caps i am gonna use are mica 2,5KV 1uf, two in series resulting in 5KV 500nF . ( Cp - large capacitance!). I wanted that large capacitance so as to eliminate large inductunce (Lp) for same resonant frequency (nominally 100Khz) because i want LARGE currents to oscillate in LC circuit as Tesla routinely utilized in his primaries. I estimate 20-100 amps. (via 4,5 uH coil, 8 AWG ala Don Smith style)
I want the pinging to be at a rate of LpCp to be around 500 times per second for undiminishing resonance. My power source is a NST 9Kv at 30mA. (60-70 watts). If other combos are used, then i will be forced to use auxiliary caps of large capacitance and my little NST could not charge them fast. Hence lower pinging, hence resonance will stop from time to time.
2)
I am preparing a large air coil (L1) from un-insulated copper wire giving a variable inductunce of 0-300uH. Knowing from Tesla testimonies that those kind of circuits have the "sharpest tuning", i find useful to have such bulky coil for fine-tuning the circuit.
for photos of progress etc visit from times to times energeticforum.com Don Smith thread.
@Sparks
That was a most interesting observation i did also reading the . Actually after the storm's passage, the disturb will occur about half an hour for the next hours. Tesla considered that the phenomenon was attributed to stationary waves.??!!
What kind of electric-natured stationary waves are occuring every half-an-hour? They are going to Jupiter and reflected back??
LOL
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This circuit is not so .
learn here more to select better one (from Tesla writings)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes03.htm#Colorado%20Springs%20Notes%20-%20July%201-31,%201899
Pese
Link my (unprofessional) collection
http://gpese.stormloader.com/OU/
great find sir pese
Those notes where the notes that made me discover the truth!
and do you know that there is still more and more to it. this is really great tesla invention!
now i think no more reason that you cannot discover it also !
and i think i am cleared!
goodbye !
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@baroutologos
will answer to this later
@tito
here you find more details
http://www.stormloader.com/users/gpese/colorado02.html
after you read ..
klick the button in the last line of this "paper"
you will find "surprizing" all about colorado writings that was made by TESLA
Gustav Pese
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@Tito,
I have been harsh with you, i admite it. Even though no OU yet, Colorado springs are a breath of fresh air and inspiring though.
Yet you give me the impression of a hunted maniac by invisible forces. Chill out dude. Noone is after you... you have not said or shown anything to be afraid. :)
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Yes, he did say that he has OU. But that's it. If there were MIB, he would have had a visit by now.
I really do hope, if he does have it, that he will share. But I doubt he has anything.
If you want to make money on it, you would say nothing until it is patented. He keeps talking.
If you were scared of being hurt or worse, you would spread the information all over the place so that it can be replicated by many. He just keeps talking.
IST clone
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@Tito,
I have been harsh with you, i admite it. Even though no OU yet, Colorado springs are a breath of fresh air and inspiring though.
Yet you give me the impression of a hunted maniac by invisible forces. Chill out dude. Noone is after you... you have not said or shown anything to be afraid. :)
hi sir BAROUTOLOGOUS ;D
its okay sir it happens all the time and your most welcome :)
and i'm sorry too with my bad jokes ok ;)
carefull haunting sir! ;)
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@baroutologos
will answer to this later
@tito
here you find more details
http://www.stormloader.com/users/gpese/colorado02.html
after you read ..
klick the button in the last line of this "paper"
you will find "surprizing" all about colorado writings that was made by TESLA
Gustav Pese
hi sir pese good day ;D
they are under construction.
you try 4shared.com and search colorado spring notes they are complete there. and in pdf format ;D
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Yes, he did say that he has OU. But that's it. If there were MIB, he would have had a visit by now.
I really do hope, if he does have it, that he will share. But I doubt he has anything.
If you want to make money on it, you would say nothing until it is patented. He keeps talking.
If you were scared of being hurt or worse, you would spread the information all over the place so that it can be replicated by many. He just keeps talking.
IST clone
i believe it cannot be patented because the method is really easy, they will just copy it.
don't you not like that? i am happy talking with you ???
how can they find me? i'm everywhere.
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@tito
surprized.
if i open last line button .
back to continue (or what ever)
it connect me direcly to:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes.htm#contents
please try this.
You (and all) will be happy.
Gustav Pese
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Thankyou Pesce.
Tito :)
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OK cocnerning High Q (magnification) parallel LC circuit.
Anyone here knowledgeable for the most suitable capacitor to be employed?
I really want my circuit have around 100 Khz vibration at resonance, and large currents flowing in it (say 50 amps)
Hence i want to employ large (relative) caps for the job.
From a preliminary research of mine, Rf caps are in the PF range. I want some 200-500 nF. MMC Tesla coil capacitors seem decent also but are they?
Wat about doornobs and connecting many in parallel (say 50 of 4 nf). I am really frustrated with cap suitability because, they must have lowest possible dissipation factor, good DV/Dt, large current handling capability at RF range... :s
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Teetula
You------#-------%-------$@#------Guy!
can you hit me over the head with this??
quote:
i believe it cannot be patented because the method is really easy, they will just copy it.
??
Chet
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i believe it cannot be patented because the method is really easy, they will just copy it.
don't you not like that? i am happy talking with you ???
how can they find me? i'm everywhere.
It doesn't matter how easy it is, if it is original it can be patented.
How can they find you? Oh don't worry, if they were looking for you they would find you.
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MrMag
I almost ruined my computer screen,as I was drinking a cup of coffee when I read this
Quote:
It doesn't matter how easy it is, if it is original it can be patented.
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You have GOT TO BE KIDDING right?
Hell would freeze over before what Teets is talking about could leave the patent office heading for the open market.
End of story [just the way it is!!]
Open source or nothing Boobala
Another century or two of bondage would suit the powers that be just fine!
They would step over your dieing self on the way to play a game of Golf ,and they would have a wonderful time.
Patent ??????????
You gotta be kidding!
The" patent trap" is more like it.
Like moths to the flame!
Chet
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It can';t be patented if others has shown that before in article or paper or any documented presentation.
Tito, who has shown that before ? Who was the first ? Edison ? Tesla ? Other guy ?
Nobody ?
I'm surprised however that Kapanadze could patent his device even if it's based on Tesla transformer.
I think Tito is right - it has to be very simple ,that's the reason so many inventors stumbled upon it, but it has to be also very clever.
I could figure it out but cannot imagine it - it's like a self-feeding pump, which sucks energy from envinronment and behaves very strange when loaded - it sucks more energy to adjust to the load.
So instead of loading power source it opens wider the window to ambient energy source.
It means this energy is really here we just have to find a way to change its form.
It's like inventing a valve for pressure container (plenum) where the fluid inside is changing to the gas escaping from container and sucking fluid from the other end.
It is very possible that Tesla coil is just such valve. We only have to find a way to make it self-feeding.
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Colorado S. Notes from page 348 on is describing something simmilar.
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It can';t be patented if others has shown that before in article or paper or any documented presentation.
Tito, who has shown that before ? Who was the first ? Edison ? Tesla ? Other guy ?
Nobody ?
I'm surprised however that Kapanadze could patent his device even if it's based on Tesla transformer.
I think Tito is right - it has to be very simple ,that's the reason so many inventors stumbled upon it, but it has to be also very clever.
I could figure it out but cannot imagine it - it's like a self-feeding pump, which sucks energy from envinronment and behaves very strange when loaded - it sucks more energy to adjust to the load.
So instead of loading power source it opens wider the window to ambient energy source.
It means this energy is really here we just have to find a way to change its form.
It's like inventing a valve for pressure container (plenum) where the fluid inside is changing to the gas escaping from container and sucking fluid from the other end.
It is very possible that Tesla coil is just such valve. We only have to find a way to make it self-feeding.
NO ONE SHOWS IT! even me don't want to show it, there is a big feeling in me that convince me not to show it ok!
but i am 100% sure that this is really the secret of Nikola Tesla!
sometimes a solution to a problem is just a piece of a toothbrush ;D
a good arrangement, a good combination of materials creates a perfect machine. hmmmmm 8)
as you are looking at it, you already know what it does isn't it? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUSTXUis_ys&feature=channel
so easy and simple thing to do. ;D
veeeeerrrrrrrrry clever ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!
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Teetula
You------#-------%-------$@#------Guy!
can you hit me over the head with this??
quote:
i believe it cannot be patented because the method is really easy, they will just copy it.
??
Chet
are you not getting tired of doing that ???
i'm a peaceful and friendly man ok , i just can't tell the secret, you must understand that ok, i am sharing many things here, only that one secret is not included! >:(
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MrMag
I almost ruined my computer screen,as I was drinking a cup of coffee when I read this
Quote:
It doesn't matter how easy it is, if it is original it can be patented.
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You have GOT TO BE KIDDING right?
No, I'm not kidding. You can apply for a patent on anything. If it gets approved is another thing.
So tell me, If he is not going to patent it and he's not going to share it, what is this thread about?
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Tito
For a long time I remember you doing the same thing.
getting angry also!
A LOOOOONG time
I really am not upset with you anymore[not that you should care]
I am seeing things "all over" that point to an awakening that nobody will be able to stop!
The Future is "pounding" on the door around here!
This should be a "VERY" interesting year !!
I'm hoping more people get the "BALLS" to share what is obviously all over this forum and some others
Tick Tock Tick Tock..............
Chet
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It is interesting that Tesla reports that a rarified gas acts as a conductor for hv hf power. Elevated terminals and all. I dare say that vacuum has infinite conducting abilites to charge information while denser media has a diffusion problem. Perhaps Tesla was going to transmit gravity waves which can flow between stratified layers of different density stuff.
Below is a picture of a gravity wave. The tittle of which is wave crashing distant storm.
The second picture even includes some wave geometry. Nice form of a geometry equation.
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@Sparks,
The only funny thing i spotted in Tesla Colorado spring notes regarding gas conductivity was the observation Tesla had done and showed that rarefied ionized gases are far more good conductors than copper, and further more suggested for high Q circuit the L1 (coil) to be made by ionized rarefied gas.
In other words imagize a L1 as a spiral neon tube!!
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I have seen this too and wondered.
But if this gas (such as xenon "in a Photoflasher")
or NA-vapor lamp has ignited, it will be very low impedance.
and resistive.)
Perhaps Teslas meaning was this if it was ignited anf lightning
Pese
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Maybe once gases are ionized electrons are trapped by positive ions so they do not catch energy flow which is then undisturbed.
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It is interesting that Tesla reports that a rarified gas acts as a conductor for hv hf power. Elevated terminals and all. I dare say that vacuum has infinite conducting abilites to charge information while denser media has a diffusion problem. Perhaps Tesla was going to transmit gravity waves which can flow between stratified layers of different density stuff.
Below is a picture of a gravity wave. The tittle of which is wave crashing distant storm.
The second picture even includes some wave geometry. Nice form of a geometry equation.
nice pictures ! ;D
see this one
from:
http://www.n01a.org/noya-book/metaphysics_revelations.htm
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Tesla coil = heat pump for ambient electricity
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Hi everyone good day ;D
Tesla discover and recorded an electrical impulse of unknown origin and so that was the time a magnifying transmitter become obsolete to him ok.
Then he tried to make his electric car and study the technique of not using the earth ground as ground ok. 8)
The universe and our earth works perfectly. therefore we should always conclude that there is always a better way to make thing works perfectly ok.
There is always atleast one sure way!.
Sometimes we are concentrating to the deepest knowledge of the device but we are leaving some basic foundation which is the important one to study and gives some other door for a very much high technology better and deeper than the first impression.
otits L. noicaro ;D
best regards
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Sometimes I feel like I am searching for something that isnt there. I build these lil machines and circuits and change parameters and values, and at times I see something that makes me feel like Im getting close. But in my excitement I continue and find that in just about every case, I am using more energy than Im trying to produce. I read a lot of material, and everything seems to be a blur at the moment. None of it has gotten me any further than just draining my batteries and time.
Im tired. Im going to take a break for a while.
Mags
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Regarding, ground...
I have made some time ago a kacher, per russian wording, a solid state Tesla coil like apparatus that produced sparks over a wire 2-3 long.
I have used lighbulbs to measure effectiveness (40 % max) and repeatedly discovered and its a solid data to me that ground provides at the Hf currents a suitable reservoir for maximum performance. Without ground usage my lamps were lit dimly, no matter what the topology of the circuit. period.
I have seen it vividly displayed by the kapanadze and his famous improvised resonator at the backyard demonstartion. he stressed that using a good ground is a must.
Its just that simple. I have read also, that instead of a grounding, you can have an antenna, spiked one best for the same purposes. By the way, a real solid ground can handle vast amperage while an aerial will not.
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yes , an antenna insted of ground do (capacativly the same as an gorund, specially fine, IF they is tuned to the frequency, (if you see an dipole antenna for fm/ vhf / uhf frequencies , you will see and understand. that an "neon (even an bulb) with 2 wires on in
- are nothing others that your neon with one wire and open side
capacitivly coupled to the (RF-)transmitter. Because your "SOURCE"
is nothing others...
G Pese
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I understand what I am saying. It is just reiteration of electromagnetic wave theory. I see a very close resemblance between a resonant electrical circuit and a non radiating electromagnetic wave. A current flows between nodes and antinodes of an electromagnetic wave. It is not charged mass moving since there isnt any charged mass in a vacuum yet there is current flow....
Hello Sparks,
I am not trying to be heretic here, but reading from Colorado Springs notes (Tesla is a great teacher) i believe what is Tesla saying as it is very logical. In a standard Tesla coil, you naturally formulate stationary waves.. OK.
BUt, the formation of stationary waves that is nodes and anti-nodes, it seems to apply only for voltage and not current... :). Sounds lol. let me explain if i may..
Consider the top toroid of a tesla coil as an one-terminal capacitor (which it is). Imagine the Tesla coil is grounded via another capacitor (at its base)
When the coil operates, both caps are charged-discharged according to current alterations natuyrally...
The top cap (toroid) how is charged/discharged if not current is not moving since it should be a voltage node/current antinode? Clearly not the case.. The same applies for the bottom cap.
Anyway, those are not my sayings.. Tesla in his notes says them again and again.
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I believe we have to get beyond the water A in a pipe analogy of an electrical current and pay more attention to what is flowing in an electrical field between two places that are in a relative charge state. Inside a charged capacitor there is something flowing between the two metals. This is the current I am referring to.
Voltage arises from resistance to electrical currents. Or resistance to the flow of virtual particles that create different charge states. A proton is said to be positve while and electron is said to be negative. An electrical current flows between the two. It is not the electron moving that creates these currents it is the electron and proton charge state that creates these currents.
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Some Folks think 100+ years is over [keeping Tito's secret]
Teets, they would have me think Walmart will be sellin your stuff
by the summer!!
Two quick reads from two very bright members of our community.
Just observing
Prejudice without investigation = ignorant
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5365-very-interesting-developments.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5357-new-electric-breakthroughs-arriving.html
Chet
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Retracted just surf on by.
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;D
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@Ram
I got this God stuff from the first book I dont know it may have been number two book that scared the living sheeeeet out of me when I was 6years old. I didnt eat apples for along time after I heard the Adam and Eve fairy tale. If your going to scare people into compliance with your dogma then I believe your motives are more than altruistic. I will refrain in the future from any references to the supernatural in the interests of coherent and sensible threads. Thankyou for drawing attention to my mistakes. There is always room for improvement. ;D Hopefully I can retract the last post and this one ASAP.
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Two quick reads from two very bright members of our community.
Just observing
Prejudice without investigation = ignorant
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5365-very-interesting-developments.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5357-new-electric-breakthroughs-arriving.html
Chet
Erm, did I say something ignorant or prejudice in my post on EF seeing you linked to my thread there? :)
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i'm soooo disappointed :-\
The secret is just a simple receiver ok >:(
what are you doing! >:(
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Tito, if we are about to collect any energy, this has been done by a collector or receiver as you say. (naturally)
By the way, receiver in what sense? Like a radio one? Aerial-ground connection? and a receiver must be tuned so as to receive.. In what frequency? Shumman? 7,8 Hz? Those are feeble waves and not power trasmiting.. or no? how much power has the Shumann frequency in it? For practicalities 7.8 Hz in electronic setup is way too low, so a harmonic? Another special frequency?
I do not know.. for sure
I have a question for you. How do you convey an idea to someone and expect to find out the specifics, yet he is totally unaware of the concept?
Regarding Tesla Sayings
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I have almost read all Colorado Spring notes.. and some others documents of Tesla including the 1912 interview in NY at the Law office where he discussed his resonators for ground power transmition. No-where Tesla hints at least the generation of energy in those systems. Actually he recognised the loss that may bear.
The only magniffication according Tesla was the Q factor of a coil (reaching ,000 figures) able to receive feeble (and not so feeble) disturbances from the ground - NOTE distirbunces or currents and not EM waves or so - and via a tuned resonator (another Tesla coil) to receive them and in fact enormously magnify them able to extract serious power at that distant point.
In any case, he acknowledges that since the earth is a perfect elastic medium and behaves as a polished inductor of very low losses, the power is being tunneled by the source and not created by resonance. In other words, the Tuned resonator acts like a magnifying glass, covering a great area.
The earth as a Transmiter?
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Perhaps this is the case with a Earthean natural frequency of currents (Teluric?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current, whereas the whole earth is a transmiter of huge wattage, yet feeble local disturbances until tunned and gathered?)
"Telluric currents can be harnessed to produce a useful low voltage current by means of earth batteries. Such devices were used for telegraph systems in the United States as far back as 1859"
furthermore
"These currents are known to have diurnal characteristics wherein the general direction of flow is towards the sun. [1][2] Telluric currents will move between each half of the terrestrial globe at all times. Telluric currents move equator-ward (daytime) and pole-ward (nighttime). - Wikipedia
The other side of the coin
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Of course, if indeed energy creation was feasible, then the SURPRESSION has done a wonderful job over here, and noone should expect that he may find any original Tesla document directing as to how to reach that free energy state.
So again the plain noob replicator-experimenter (like me) is left with zero or close to it.
And a plus benefit :), resulting from this ambiguous state we are, is that too many merchants have capitalized with their FE devices (actually this is far from truth) and have made big bucks. Any failure for someone to replicate is met with "My mouth is shut due to MIBs" motos and "hints" and "subtleties" should be studied etc
This is not how the knowledge propages for sure
Fortunately, you Tito, do not sell anything... but you can be a time waster, sir! ;)
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Would conversion of a very high frequency like say microwave to elf or even lower be considered a magnification process. You take infrared and change it into a lower frequency I betya the wavelength is magnified along with the amplitude. The higher the frequency the more power of the wave train. Why are we always looking to increase frequency which uses power when we should be decreasing frequency to get power. Gotta go.
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Amigo
I was not implying anything bad about you or your post
just the opposite
I found it "very interesting"
And for those that would "shrug it off" I say
For a man to have prejudice without investigation is a good example of an ignorant man
Sorry for the confusion
The link
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5357-new-electric-breakthroughs-arriving.html
should be a "must read"
Oh and about "Teets" [Tito]
I joke around with him and his big secret.[I don't like "these" kinds of secrets]
And your post implies Walmart will probably be selling theses devices shortly.
Of course not in North America[maybe India will sell theirs here?]
Chet
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You guys may also want to follow the Secondary Joule Thief Thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8334
The guys are pumping a 1.5v AA battery up to circa 1kv to light filament bulbs and nichrome heater wires. OU is still questionable, but the main thing is that this technology brings us closer to getting off the grid. This circuit has already been a great success for lighting CFLs and Florescent tubes, and this latest round is an attempt to accomplish real work (off grid). You guys have a look at Gadget's UltraCapacitor.
Current magnification, well, here lately I've been thinking that the germanium transistor only requires .3 volts to switch/resonate. Tesla radiant receiver, hint, hint... Maybe put an AV plug in the mix....
Mikey
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No, i think we are all missing the point here.
From numerous experiments it can more or less safely concluded that the energy magnification is not inside resonance alone. As Tito suggests it must comes from somewhere.
The less mystique the source, the more propable to be real :) and we should built equipment to tap that energy. Perhaps as i stated, telluric currents, in their feeble distirbances act more or less as signals send by an enormous Tesla coil sender.
Perhaps, all we have to do is to tune our apparatus to a particular frequency, "tunnel" them via resonance to an oscillator and tap them.
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Would conversion of a very high frequency like say microwave to elf or even lower be considered a magnification process. You take infrared and change it into a lower frequency I betya the wavelength is magnified along with the amplitude. The higher the frequency the more power of the wave train. Why are we always looking to increase frequency which uses power when we should be decreasing frequency to get power. Gotta go.
Yeah.You found one of the way.Oscillator of high frequency running in magnifying mode with accumulated energy of let say 50kW in peak. At peak we broke circuit for a moment at the slow rate (60hz for example) draining low 5kW output, then swing is rebalanced.
The mode of operation of Kapanadze device.
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baroutologos, all...
Lidmotor just bangs the two pans together to start oscillation/resonance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rzw4FRovnI
He's using an avramenko plug on the LEDs..
Mikey
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Think about it
MSA06 is not an normal npn transistor
its an darlington-.transistor
If you will use darlington configorates singel transitors use 2 pieces
of bc 107 2n2926 enz (100ma Types)
if you short the 2 alu to start.
an singel transistor break . an darlington if you use higher battery voltages. give attentention . use an resistor about 50k ohms in serie from base to the alu-tab.
Pese
http://www.stormloader.com/users/gpese/OU/
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Pese,
The germanium transistor only needs .3v to run instead of .84v. Everyone is recommending a PNP 2N1308
Mikey...
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Bolt: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg191884#msg191884
"Use ONLY air coils. NEVER put anything inside and this will just dampen the ambient electron energy. You need to get HT supply into RF domain. > 50Khz better 1 meg or higher.
No more time for speculation and arguing about this if you do it right you get extreme OU. The finer details to be worked out on the bench for precise coil dimensions but if you stick to the tesla /don smith teachings you can light up 1 or 50 light bulbs with really simple systems."
"RE is RF as energized field excites local electrons in air, ground, space and returns magnetic flux."
"As Don Smith says "the electricity you pay for is simply a signature copy from the generating plant to move your electrons in your house! They did NOT travel from the power plant." Please remember this because electrons are everywhere already you only have to learn how to move them using volts and when they return to natural place current will flow as an AFTER effect IF required for free. Volts are Joules and they become watts later if a load is applied which allows electrons to flow back to the air or ground or wherever they came from."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiYDxMsayw
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Wings,
very nice connection !! {Air cores}
This Quote always confused me and made my head hurt.
"As Don Smith says "the electricity you pay for is simply a signature copy from the generating plant to move your electrons in your house! They did NOT travel from the power plant." Please remember this because electrons are everywhere already you only have to learn how to move them using volts and when they return to natural place current will flow as an AFTER effect IF required for free. Volts are Joules and they become watts later if a load is applied which allows electrons to flow back to the air or ground or wherever they came from."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiYDxMsayw
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Sigh......... I miss "bolt" [good guy!!]
Chet
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Wings,
very nice connection !! {Air cores}
This Quote always confused me and made my head hurt.
"As Don Smith says "the electricity you pay for is simply a signature copy from the generating plant to move your electrons in your house! They did NOT travel from the power plant." Please remember this because electrons are everywhere already you only have to learn how to move them using volts and when they return to natural place current will flow as an AFTER effect IF required for free. Volts are Joules and they become watts later if a load is applied which allows electrons to flow back to the air or ground or wherever they came from."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiYDxMsayw
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Sigh......... I miss "bolt" [good guy!!]
Chet
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/miscon/speed.html
"And about AC... how far do the electrons move as they vibrate back and forth? Well, we know that a one-amp current in 1mm wire is moving at 8.4cm per hour, so in one second it moves:
8.4cm / 3600sec = .00233 cm per second
And in 1/60 of a second it will travel back and forth by
.00233cm/sec * (1/60) = .0000389cm, or around .00002"
what you mean ? by "Sigh......... I miss "bolt" [good guy!!]"
try here :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVGRAY/
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Wings
Quote:
what you mean ? by "Sigh......... I miss "bolt" [good guy!!]"
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What I mean is he shared a lot of things here [O.U.]
Bolt spoke in "specifics" not generalizations.
No "cryptic" crap ! [yah know like "its right in front of you" in that 10,000 page Tesla patent]
A breath of fresh air [around here]
He was a really good guy ,and I have not seen him here recently.
[although I see he checked in last month]
And I see reading through the old posts i understand things know that I didn't then.
Thats all just nostalgia.
Chet
PS
Was the translation ever published on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiYDxMsayw
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[good guy!!]"
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What I mean is he shared a lot of things here [O.U.]
Bolt spoke in "specifics" not generalizations.
No "cryptic" crap ! [yah know like "its right in front of you" in that 10,000 page Tesla patent]
A breath of fresh air [around here]
He was a really good guy ,and I have not seen him here recently.
[although I see he checked in last month]
And I see reading through the old posts i understand things know that I didn't then.
Thats all just nostalgia.
Chet
I agree!
... sorry is not my language
P.S:
between your feet and your head there is a potential difference of 250V.
this type of energy are also part of our life on earth.
please take care
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Wings,
very nice connection !! {Air cores}
This Quote always confused me and made my head hurt.
"As Don Smith says "the electricity you pay for is simply a signature copy from the generating plant to move your electrons in your house! They did NOT travel from the power plant." Please remember this because electrons are everywhere already you only have to learn how to move them using volts and when they return to natural place current will flow as an AFTER effect IF required for free. Volts are Joules and they become watts later if a load is applied which allows electrons to flow back to the air or ground or wherever they came from."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiYDxMsayw
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Sigh......... I miss "bolt" [good guy!!]
Chet
Yes, I always read bolt's posts with great interest. The idea of electrons 'travelling' down a wire may not be quite accurate. Could it be that an electron is 'potentiated' or 'energised' and transfers this activation to its neighbors? With quantum mechanics, we know from experiments that a particle influenced non-locally can synchronously affect another 10 miles distant - and indeed, the observer can apparently influence the outcome of particle collisions in a cloud chamber through expectation alone, something which is not supposed to happen in a purely 'objective' scientific paradigm. Remember that kinetic coffee table-top thing with steel balls on wires, where the two outside balls, like pendulums, knock into the centre balls leaving them stationary? I often wonder whether something like this isn't going on with 'current'. Perhaps there is no physical 'movement' as such, but a holographic transfer of potential going on. Tom Bearden has interesting comments relating to this with the zero-point field.
Cleve Baxter, who originally worked cross-examining criminal suspects with lie detector instruments, attached his electrodes to philadendron leaves and discovered a new zone of electro-sensitivity in the plant world. He discovered that plants registered 'hurt' electromagnetically - but much to his astonishment, the very thought of damaging a plant by setting one of its leaves on fire was sufficient to cause spikes in his graph monitor.
This led to experiments using plants as remote burglar alarms. Later, he set up one experiment with an apparatus which dropped live shrimp into boiling water at random intervals. Somehow plants 'detected' the agony of the dying shrimps even under stringent conditions designed to rule out chance anomalies. In his later work, he discovered that plants were even sensitive to the death of live yoghurt culture ingested by (his own) stomach acids.
It has also been discovered that when two agar cell cultures are placed side by side, and one of them is given a lethal virus, the healthy virus electromagnetically 'registers' the death of the infected culture even though they are seperated by glass.
What did Baxter infer from this? that there is some means of cellular communication which non-locally connects all sentient life, some form of interactive consciousness.
If, according to quantum mechanics, individual electrons are nothing more than vortices of vibrating energy, perhaps they too, are intimately connected with every other electron throughout the entire universe, through the principle of non-locality - and perhaps the same principle applies with living organisms, since we are on one level physical, on the next level chemical, on the next level electrochemical, then electrical, then ultimately non-physical vibrational constructs.
Researcher Andrew Collins did controversial work with a team of psychics, seeing whether he could verify the claims of Trevor James Constable, who took infra-red photographs of what he believed were energetic organisms residing in the ionisphere. Using group meditation, Collins was able to replicate many of the strange dark blobs picked up on Constable's film. He came up with the interesting phrase, 'Non-local psychointeractive processes' to describe what was happening, and recorded these energies with instruments sensitive to infra-red, ultrasound, and background radiation.
OK, so I digress, but in order to bring attention to the idea that electron 'a' does not necessarily 'travel' to point 'b'.
In a holographic universe, non-locality is the name of the game.
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Silverfish
"Now I really need an aspirin" ;D
Actually very interesting stuff.[Very:o}
Thanks
Chet
PS
Wings, cool pic!!
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Reading through the Colorado Springs notes I had the distinct impression that Tesla was dealing with two tuned circuits. Was able to operate both and have both store energy as dictated by the Q factor. If or when the two tuned circuits diverged in phase there would naturally be a difference in potential between the grounding points of the separate circuits. As we all know, if there is a difference in potential then current can flow. In this case the current could flow between the two 'grounds', I don't mean the ground we stand on but rather the electrical grounds.
So, two tuned circuits with slightly different periods or operating frequencies. The grounds of the two circuits tied together. Both tuned circuits are then set to vibration by a single input which maybe a fundamental to one of the coils. The other coil should have a greater period or lower resonant frequency than the input signal to allow free resonance. (I believe I remember that correctly or is it the other way around, pushing the pendulum idea.) If they are resonating then there could be enormous potential stored in the circuits. I've heard these potentials are 'hidden' and can not be tapped into directly. The potentials remain in the tuned circuit and can not be directly seen.
Let's now say that both circuits are all charged up to working potentials (ie. input * Q) and both happen to be in phase with each other. Even though the potential at the grounding point could be 10,000 Volts it would be the same for both circuits and there would be no difference between the two.
Now let's say the phase of the two circuits start to diverge, one could be at 10,000 Volts and the other is just now starting to reach 9,000 volts. There would be a difference of 1,000 volts between the two circuits.
If the two circuits reach a point where they are 180 degrees out of phase then there could be a difference of potential of 20,000 Volts! That could be 2Q * input that could be tapped in to.
You would have an AC Voltage flowing through the 'ground' at a frequency equal to the difference of the two resonant circuits.
Would this be the proper way to tap into the hidden energy stored in a tuned circuit?
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Reading through the Colorado Springs notes I had the distinct impression that Tesla was dealing with two tuned circuits. Was able to operate both and have both store energy as dictated by the Q factor. If or when the two tuned circuits diverged in phase there would naturally be a difference in potential between the grounding points of the separate circuits. As we all know, if there is a difference in potential then current can flow. In this case the current could flow between the two 'grounds', I don't mean the ground we stand on but rather the electrical grounds.
So, two tuned circuits with slightly different periods or operating frequencies. The grounds of the two circuits tied together. Both tuned circuits are then set to vibration by a single input which maybe a fundamental to one of the coils. The other coil should have a greater period or lower resonant frequency than the input signal to allow free resonance. (I believe I remember that correctly or is it the other way around, pushing the pendulum idea.) If they are resonating then there could be enormous potential stored in the circuits. I've heard these potentials are 'hidden' and can not be tapped into directly. The potentials remain in the tuned circuit and can not be directly seen.
Let's now say that both circuits are all charged up to working potentials (ie. input * Q) and both happen to be in phase with each other. Even though the potential at the grounding point could be 10,000 Volts it would be the same for both circuits and there would be no difference between the two.
Now let's say the phase of the two circuits start to diverge, one could be at 10,000 Volts and the other is just now starting to reach 9,000 volts. There would be a difference of 1,000 volts between the two circuits.
If the two circuits reach a point where they are 180 degrees out of phase then there could be a difference of potential of 20,000 Volts! That could be 2Q * input that could be tapped in to.
You would have an AC Voltage flowing through the 'ground' at a frequency equal to the difference of the two resonant circuits.
Would this be the proper way to tap into the hidden energy stored in a tuned circuit?
Very interesting, and it sounds similar to what Tariel Kapanadze was proposing, if it turns out to be legit...
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Very interesting, and it sounds similar to what Tariel Kapanadze was proposing, if it turns out to be legit...
stange resonance of plasma in the experiment of Naudin , Why did the analysis of plasma noise?
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/plasma/html/s_gdp3.htm
strange asymmetry of the electrical mesurement and apparent ou
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/plasma/html/s_gdp4.htm
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Wireless Energy Powering a charging circuit,
and he also demonstrates a hotspot finder tool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s63AH2E4Ul8
SM
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@ Angryscientist
Quite interesting points there developed, but this is a smart trick for humans and not applying to nature i think. Again, with two resonant LCs out of phase and being grounded, the whatever energy gather should be attributed tor resonance at the first place.
Is resonance alone able at making energy? I think not. Its merely a tool of energy harvesting.
And because i am reading Colorado Springs notes also, yes Tesla used tuned circuits, connected via ground destined to be as transmitter-receiver. I think, if you can manage at having energy transfer via ground from one coil to another, the two systems will be 180 degree out of phase. That does not mean anything in energy creation terms..
Concerning Don Smith
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At best Don Smith has managed to hide clues in his published books, lectures and photos. Nothing more. If one follow strictly what the man says IMO he is destined to miserably fail.
Too much inconsistencies, and makeshift theories, that it can be readily understood from someone not expert and having mediocre experience in the field that they DO NOT apply.
as
" frequency alone, or the flipping of electrons is an energy creator"
@Sirmikey1
The wirelless energy transfer there is attributed to EM radiation that falls at the square of the distance. And as the great Tesla said, that energy is irrecoverably lost (1914 New York interview), whereas the ground onjected energy is preserved.
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baroutologos,
What is the most sensitive "handyman" method to find hotspots? Or should I just modify my current heavy appliance "transformers". I'm working with germanium transistor .3 volt switching Base. Some guy on youtube was using 20ft antenna and getting variable 20-32v with 3-100ma. Or should I start with an earth battery, try to turn it into a pump ;)
Regards,
Mikey
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\The idea of electrons 'travelling' down a wire may not be quite accurate.
This can be an aswer to the cited problems:
http://vfedtec.com/papers/don_smith/06_REM_the_answer.pdf
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This can be an aswer to the cited problems:
http://vfedtec.com/papers/don_smith/06_REM_the_answer.pdf
nice place to live:
http://vfedtec.com/
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Wings
Seeing all the "Moths" that have been drawn to the "FLAMES" of the US Patent office [and other incinerators around the world].
It will be nice to see someone "share" without all the "FLAMES" [a paradox].
Chet
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Loner,
There's a paper some Englander found in his country from Tesla's comrades, a youtube video names the paper and reads from it. He explains that you resonate against coils of opposite charge/polarity, and a bit more that needs a good ear. Contact him if you want:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geYfUHh6nD8
Mikey
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The resonance Tesla used was not common resonance as we know today. It was parametric resonance !
Whenever you smoked FET it was probably due to energy rise caused by parametric resonance.
It converts time x small energy into shortened time x huge energy, in other words : small initial voltage impulse into large compressed in time power impulse.
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Imagine a pendulum with large very heavy ball . It can be set in motion by parametric resonance and maintained at required energy level by normal resonance. It means TWO KINDS OF IMPULSES
Let's assume that energy accumulated over some time in pendulum is equivalent to 50kW electric power.
We could easily take 5kW and use it to for example destroy not too thick brick wall. Then again parametric resonance impulses are needed and time of course to set pendulum back to 50kW.
However IT IS MUCH LOWER POWER NEEDED to rebalance pendulum back from 45kW to 50kW then to start from zero back to 50kW. The higher mass in motion the bigger response !
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That's why I call it exponential resonance. ::) Yeah,I'm theorist , now your move experimenters :P
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@Forest,
Where in the Tesla literature, you find out he used parametric resonance? On the contrary...
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1.6v Earth Battery, 100ma
Lights Filament Bulbs, Fluorescents, and Runs 6 motors continuous.
Earth Battery Runs Six Motors Continuously!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cZaGZ4IDY
Earth Battery Lights Small Lamps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLHDdSjMmE8
Earth Battery Voltage Pulse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgZVi9SWhxs
Instructions:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8640.msg224170#msg224170
MIkey
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1.6v Earth Battery, 100ma
Lights Filament Bulbs, Fluorescents, and Runs 6 motors continuous.
Earth Battery Runs Six Motors Continuously!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cZaGZ4IDY
Earth Battery Lights Small Lamps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLHDdSjMmE8
Earth Battery Voltage Pulse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgZVi9SWhxs
Instructions:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8640.msg224170#msg224170
MIkey
probably related to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetically_induced_current
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf024/sf024p12.htm
http://www.google.com/patents?id=GaVwAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
http://www.djirra.com/telluric/about/
http://www.djirra.com/telluric/experiments/
http://www.djirra.com/ecc/technical/
http://www.icehouse.net/john1/stubblefield.html
....http://www.djirra.com/docs/Earth%20Current%20Communications.pdf
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wings,
He's got a thousand feet of copper wire, and says that adding more copper keeps adding more power. I dont know why, but I had it in my head to use magnesium/zinc or aluminum which is electronegative instead of positive copper. Seems to suggest that the ground (his property) provides enough electronegativity, just needs the copper to complete the cell. Pirate's earth battery is only 20ma, and so this guy's 100ma is far ahead of a lot of people.
I found a huge broken microwave today, will pull the transformer and monster diode when I get a chance. Is the magnetron good for anything at all? Is it also a transformer step/up coil?
Anyone ever tried harvesting current with a spark tube?
Take Care,
MIkey
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Just a note, a heads up...
Davro Video, at 1:45 or so, he is creating wireless current SEC receivers which are also "repeaters", have their own transformer step-up coils. I think this is a real biggie, unlimited current and current magnification.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanIc5nS78A
M
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strange resonance of plasma in the experiment of Naudin , Why did the analysis of plasma noise?
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/plasma/html/s_gdp3.htm
strange asymmetry of the electrical mesurement and apparent ou
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/plasma/html/s_gdp4.htm
Posted by Magnetos:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5194.msg144936#msg144936
"The only information I know is Paul Baumann (Testatika) works using a special stone (maybe germanium) to get energy from the Earth Potential, and there is something called 'Electron Cascade Effect'.
Some Ev Gray's work is similar to Henry Moray's Work, both worked at 6,000 Hertz"
See the plasma resonance in the Naudin experiment !
5600 Hertz
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I do not know wings.
Naudin, has a past that is too suspicious to be taken seriously in consideration, let aside to speak about his financers.
Specifically, He has claimed that has replicated successful devices (as MEG or Carbon Fusion) yet no-one have managed to do so, except him even though in copy-paste setups.
Actually in the MEG case, i have read that Bearden was forced to tell that Naudin could not have made it to work since his patent do not tell the whole story...
From those above, you get an idea.
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Naudin, has a past that is too suspicious to be taken seriously in consideration, let aside to speak about his financers.
Specifically, He has claimed that has replicated successful devices (as MEG or Carbon Fusion) yet no-one have managed to do so, except him even though in copy-paste setups.
Actually in the MEG case, i have read that Bearden was forced to tell that Naudin could not have made it to work since his patent do not tell the whole story...
From those above, you get an idea.
do you have any links to these claims about naudin's MEG and CF replications? and where did you read this about bearden?
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Search this forum, under the Relevant topics and spot it yourself. ;)
Carbon fusion, has a topic on its own so its easy to locate it.
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Just a note, a heads up...
Davro Video, at 1:45 or so, he is creating wireless current SEC receivers which are also "repeaters", have their own transformer step-up coils. I think this is a real biggie, unlimited current and current magnification.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanIc5nS78A
M
such way, you can better understand the circuit.
such way the shematic is designed technical to understand.
to use an 3 Meg resistor is in relativity to the gain of both
transistors. that can cahange 100 to 500 time TWO " Attention !!
More stability you will find if yiou use an voltag devider in frint : so you can also use this circuit with higher supply voltages.
use for R1 1Meg or by experiences .
C by experiences.
So long
G.Pese
http://www.stormloader.com/users/gpese/pictures/out2.html
Klich the button HERE in last line of the html !
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do you have any links to these claims about naudin's MEG and CF replications? and where did you read this about bearden?
all the experiments here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/
MEG here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
CF :
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/index.htm
... interesting CF and negative resistance oscillator test
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/ape/apenrg.htm
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Search this forum, under the Relevant topics and spot it yourself. ;)
Carbon fusion, has a topic on its own so its easy to locate it.
no, it's your 'claim', you back it up with some substance...
i have read almost all of naudin's published replications and have never seen what you speak of (a claim of achieving OU).
i have read alot of bearden and never come across what you claim.
what i am saying is, is that you are posting nothing but hearsay... and now you refuse to back your claims with substance, which looks highly suspicious.
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Pese,
I hear that the resistor can be replaced with capacitive step-down (caps in series); an inductive choke; or by using only the SEC power on the transistor base.
Z
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Pese,
I hear that the resistor can be replaced with capacitive step-down (caps in series); an inductive choke; or by using only the SEC power on the transistor base.
Z
possibly,
but such circuits ca work "unstabile"
byy temeperature changeing
and need other values it you reconstrucht
this circuit.
the tarnsistors ( even from same type number) can
SREAD wuth gaine up to 100 times.
other paramaters like leackage currents in semiconductor , from
normal value uo to limit in dateasheet spead moe than 1000.
So it is neccessary to give atention that the BASIS (bias) of driveb transistors is fixed to an stable point, that you ca chose with "trimm it out" as shown in my hand- written design.
I working my whole live in this technique , so you can test this out an belive it
G.P.
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poor noob WilbyInebriated,
I have read also naudin and all his site is OU claims in an implicit way. Go see the MEG section in naudin site. he states OU more or less..
Naudin is untrustworthy. Concerning the Bearden case, yes i read it from a member's comment in this site and i believe it. i do not recall who and where. But I personally do not require much PROOF since Bearden beyond reasonable doubt belongs to the Bullshitters of the OU research..
Finally, i do not think i am the who should provide evidence for apparent claims (of devices that do not work). you and your like should provide evidence about BS-ters and their device (eg Bedini) that claim that work.
Bye bye now..
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poor noob WilbyInebriated,
I have read also naudin and all his site is OU claims in an implicit way. Go see the MEG section in naudin site. he states OU more or less..
Naudin is untrustworthy. Concerning the Bearden case, yes i read it from a member's comment in this site and i believe it. i do not recall who and where. But I personally do not require much PROOF since Bearden beyond reasonable doubt belongs to the Bullshitters of the OU research..
Finally, i do not think i am the who should provide evidence for apparent claims (of devices that do not work). you and your like should provide evidence about BS-ters and their device (eg Bedini) that claim that work.
Bye bye now..
great!!! then show us EXACTLY WHERE THIS INFERENCE IS PLEASE!!! with a quote. or i will accept your refusal to do so as a tacit admission that your are full of shit.
you're untrustworthy...
"i read it from a members comment"... great, grand, wonderful, WHAT USER MADE THIS COMMENT? ohh.. you don't remember... ::) imagine that. ok, another tacit admission that you are full of shit.
no, you are mistaken here, if you are going to call out someone such as naudin as untrustworthy then you better have some evidence to your claims.
you seem to think that you shouldn't have to back up claims that you have personally made and yet i should be required to back up some third party claim that i am not even involved with? are you mental?
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Its amusing chating with you, poor noob WilbyInebriated!
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Its amusing chating with you, poor noob WilbyInebriated!
it's amusing watching your assumptions and conjecture, and the way you dance around avoiding answering specific questions is, well, less than graceful...
and your use of logical fallicies is oh so quaint. next time, try a cogent argument if you know what one is...
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no poit in talking to people like you. You are about to believe enything you are being said by the clever merchants. Go buy a Bedini book, listen to Naudin OU expertise and give me a break..
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no poit in talking to people like you. You are about to believe enything you are being said by the clever merchants. Go buy a Bedini book, listen to Naudin OU expertise and give me a break..
so you respond with another logical fallacy... lol, looks like you don't know what a cogent argument is either ::) what i believe is not what is being discussed here... the claims that you can't seem to substantiate are... remember? or are you trying to change the subject in order to save face?
all i asked you to do was put your money where your mouth was.
you talked out your ass and got caught... don't whine and cry and carry on about it like a child, do the sensible thing, show evidence of your claims or withdraw them and stfu.
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great!!! then show us EXACTLY WHERE THIS INFERENCE IS PLEASE!!! with a quote. or i will accept your refusal to do so as a tacit admission that your are full of shit.
you're untrustworthy...
"i read it from a members comment"... great, grand, wonderful, WHAT USER MADE THIS COMMENT? ohh.. you don't remember... ::) imagine that. ok, another tacit admission that you are full of shit.
no, you are mistaken here, if you are going to call out someone such as naudin as untrustworthy then you better have some evidence to your claims.
you seem to think that you shouldn't have to back up claims that you have personally made and yet i should be required to back up some third party claim that i am not even involved with? are you mental?
Just to clear things up the quote was from the "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new? thread...
Why don´t you think so ?
Which device do you exactly mean ?
Please post a link to Jean Louis´s site with the device.
Do you mean the MEG ?
This was from Bearden and not from Witts.
JL made errors there with a 10x factor wrong calculated resistance.
If clear blue prints would be published surely many people would
replicate it on a high level.
Look at what Steorn has done now with releasing infos,
and so many people are replicating it already with success !
Not to mention the HHO devices..
If he would really explain it, we could follow, but just "bubbling" about dorminant energy
and not explaining does not help...
Well Tim,
you might have a good faith in them,
but have you made yourself any measurements ?
Why don´t you describe the measurements in detail ?
Well, if Witts does not want to make it open source,
then why don´t they patent it and search for a big investor
or the US military and get paid this way and get this thing
locked up for black projects ?
If they only want the money, Witts is doing it wrongly.
The way they do it now smells like they just only want
the donations and don´t deliver anything for it.
Their former memberpage converter was only a
copy of the Naudin-Bearden MEG, when I remember correctly
...and people had to pay (donate) for the access..
So I see no real value in donations for "vapourware" yet...
As I said a few donations would not get them a factory to
be build.
If they really want a factory they should look
for a billionaire that will finance something like this.
But then they would probably need a patent first,
which they will probably not get under current patent law
due to "perpetual motion" claims..or US national security
concern...
Regards, Stefan.
All this wasted energy fighting and still no OU....
l8r guys....
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hi everyone gooday and listen ;D
To get excess energy, of course there should have an excess coil! got it ! ? 8)
Now i think you will get it, remember, don't forget me.
This is now my last hints, if you still can't get it i'm sorry. :(
i think this is now my last post. :(
thank you very much to all of you everyone.
to everyone that i made them mad, sorry ok ;D
and i forgive all of you that made me mad also.
take a lot of care in your experiment cause electricity is always a serious killer, it doesn't know joke ok. :(
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Tito, if we are about to collect any energy, this has been done by a collector or receiver as you say. (naturally)
By the way, receiver in what sense? Like a radio one? Aerial-ground connection? and a receiver must be tuned so as to receive.. In what frequency? Shumman? 7,8 Hz? Those are feeble waves and not power trasmiting.. or no? how much power has the Shumann frequency in it? For practicalities 7.8 Hz in electronic setup is way too low, so a harmonic? Another special frequency?
I do not know.. for sure
I have a question for you. How do you convey an idea to someone and expect to find out the specifics, yet he is totally unaware of the concept?
Regarding Tesla Sayings
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I have almost read all Colorado Spring notes.. and some others documents of Tesla including the 1912 interview in NY at the Law office where he discussed his resonators for ground power transmition. No-where Tesla hints at least the generation of energy in those systems. Actually he recognised the loss that may bear.
The only magniffication according Tesla was the Q factor of a coil (reaching ,000 figures) able to receive feeble (and not so feeble) disturbances from the ground - NOTE distirbunces or currents and not EM waves or so - and via a tuned resonator (another Tesla coil) to receive them and in fact enormously magnify them able to extract serious power at that distant point.
In any case, he acknowledges that since the earth is a perfect elastic medium and behaves as a polished inductor of very low losses, the power is being tunneled by the source and not created by resonance. In other words, the Tuned resonator acts like a magnifying glass, covering a great area.
The earth as a Transmiter?
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Perhaps this is the case with a Earthean natural frequency of currents (Teluric?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current, whereas the whole earth is a transmiter of huge wattage, yet feeble local disturbances until tunned and gathered?)
"Telluric currents can be harnessed to produce a useful low voltage current by means of earth batteries. Such devices were used for telegraph systems in the United States as far back as 1859"
furthermore
"These currents are known to have diurnal characteristics wherein the general direction of flow is towards the sun. [1][2] Telluric currents will move between each half of the terrestrial globe at all times. Telluric currents move equator-ward (daytime) and pole-ward (nighttime). - Wikipedia
The other side of the coin
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Of course, if indeed energy creation was feasible, then the SURPRESSION has done a wonderful job over here, and noone should expect that he may find any original Tesla document directing as to how to reach that free energy state.
So again the plain noob replicator-experimenter (like me) is left with zero or close to it.
And a plus benefit :), resulting from this ambiguous state we are, is that too many merchants have capitalized with their FE devices (actually this is far from truth) and have made big bucks. Any failure for someone to replicate is met with "My mouth is shut due to MIBs" motos and "hints" and "subtleties" should be studied etc
This is not how the knowledge propages for sure
Fortunately, you Tito, do not sell anything... but you can be a time waster, sir! ;)
well sorry sir if i waste your time, but i'm telling the truth zpe is true. i believe and i think as long as we are studying ,our time is not waisted ok.
we can use any receiver and any frequency either aerial or ground connection its not a big deal as long as there is extra coil ok. 8)
well sorry, cause i'm expecting that many here will figured it out also cause no one taught me that ok.
AND I'M NOT GENIOUS OK!
the secret is IN colorado spring notes, it is there but use it differently.
GOD BLESS AND TAKE CARE ALL OF YOU FRIEND BYE
HOPE WE SEE SOMETIME ;D
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Now i think you will get it, remember, don't forget me.
This is now my last hints, if you still can't get it i'm sorry. :(
i think this is now my last post. :(
thank you very much to all of you everyone.
to everyone that i made them mad, sorry ok ;D
and i forgive all of you that made me mad also.
take a lot of care in your experiment cause electricity is always a serious killer, it doesn't know joke ok. :(
your last post..??
were you going ist .. i mean tito..
you leaving me with nothing.. man..
ah well atleast i am still living the dream..
robbie
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Excess coil or extra coil in Tesla magnifying transmitter produced extremely huge voltage when oscillating freely. It is the analogous of whip or swing. Now we call it antenna.
The solution is clear ! however essential part is missing.
Tito is using extra coil to generate extreme voltage from small power source, but he found a way to use it as a pump - sucking displacement current from ground or air and generating current spikes. Apparently it is not easy because we are misled by current knowledge about power in antenna being not real.Correct - it is reactive most of the time, but I'm sure there are ways to make it dissipate power into envinronment.
Read Colorado Notes - Tesla suddenly found that sparks from elevated capacitance of his magnifying transmitter can reach thousands of amperes.That was surprise.
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Forest, all...
Lidmotor uses a stun gun circuit to create huge lightning sparks, but the Tesla literature seems to suggest that the final transformer should be precharged with opposing polarity of large charge; which tends to suggest that the final output would be huge packets which are merely being bumped along by the first spark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGJKtYbGLw4
Mikey
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Mikey
Very nice ! Only receiver is missing I think.
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well sorry sir if i waste your time, but i'm telling the truth zpe is true. i believe and i think as long as we are studying ,our time is not waisted ok.
we can use any receiver and any frequency either aerial or ground connection its not a big deal as long as there is extra coil ok. 8)
well sorry, cause i'm expecting that many here will figured it out also cause no one taught me that ok.
AND I'M NOT GENIOUS OK!
the secret is IN colorado spring notes, it is there but use it differently.
GOD BLESS AND TAKE CARE ALL OF YOU FRIEND BYE
HOPE WE SEE SOMETIME ;D
Ok, no time wasted. :) that was a way fo speeking to express frustration.
In Colorado notes, Tesla experiments almost with everything, and of course x-tra coil is his favourite toy. What about the x-tra coil anyway? He wanted to send through earth intelligence and power.
Common resonators (Tesla coils) could not reach above certain level due to mutual induction between secondary and primary that put a constraint to the EMF obtained (Q) and capacitance of topload.
The coulomb capacitance of topload (sphere) is of importance becAuse it stores the charges sucking them from earth, thus producing a great oscillating amperage movement. Coulomb capacitance is linear to sphere capacitance and voltage developed.
This function fit best the extra coil. He had phenomenal EMF (as non inductively coupled to anything) and large storage capability at resonance or in other words provided a huge Q factor or magnification factor pronounced back then (ωL/R), hence a magnifier transformer. This is my understanding of the extra coil.
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Tito, you mention that we do not suck energy from the earth at particular frequency. We suck it generally from earth or ground at any frequency.This is a pain...
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Forest,
Also, final is not precharged in reverse polarity.
EDIT: Re-defines magnetically quenched...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geYfUHh6nD8
Mikey
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Forest,
Also, final is not precharged in reverse polarity.
EDIT: Re-defines magnetically quenched...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geYfUHh6nD8
Mikey
Not needed. Look at Kapanadze device. Large DC voltage difference between ground and elevated capacitance makes a pump of displacement current - it's like a underpressure. There is overpressure on elevated capacitance. The spark is very energetic in amperage ! All we have to do is to know how to convert that current into normal one and it will become a valid implementation of Tesla idea of unanimated device working continuously on ambient energy.
This is where bifilar coil can be used IMHO. Kapanadze found actual shape of coil which converts unidirectional speed-up displacement current escaping as spark from Tesla coil into large current high frequency in closed circuit. Look his 100kW unit in video : 3 TC coils are clearly seen sparking into 3 special coils (receivers)
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AND I'M NOT GENIOUS OK!
Sometimes, less genius guys should talk to more genius guys about their revelations ;) :D
Why always the Lord chooses the poor and humble ?? hahaa
Can be the extra coils be more than one?
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Sometimes, less genius guys should talk to more genius guys about their revelations ;) :D
Why always the Lord chooses the poor and humble ?? hahaa
Can be the extra coils be more than one?
YES! Like a tree ...
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> Large DC voltage difference between ground and
> elevated capacitance makes a pump of displacement
> current - it's like a underpressure.
Forest,
Thanks for your comments. The same thing occurred to me regarding the Tesla Switch, that a battery loaded with heavy amps, when released, produces a recoil effect when returning to neutral state which might work to charge (pump-up) the other batteries. Similar to BEMF.
Mikey
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What makes a bubble float up. The electrical density on a tesla top cap plate is huge. This electrical density is MASSIVE. Benjamin Franklin was right something does flow from the positive terminal. Antielectrons. These are very light. Move without resistance as they cant collide with anything because they are nothing.
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the WilbyInebriated noob, inflames my PM and then block responce! Like a angry girl!
One thing only from me. You are moron. period
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Not needed. Look at Kapanadze device. Large DC voltage difference between ground and elevated capacitance makes a pump of displacement current - it's like a underpressure. There is overpressure on elevated capacitance. The spark is very energetic in amperage ! All we have to do is to know how to convert that current into normal one and it will become a valid implementation of Tesla idea of unanimated device working continuously on ambient energy.
This is where bifilar coil can be used IMHO. Kapanadze found actual shape of coil which converts unidirectional speed-up displacement current escaping as spark from Tesla coil into large current high frequency in closed circuit. Look his 100kW unit in video : 3 TC coils are clearly seen sparking into 3 special coils (receivers)
There is something about bifilar coils which needs further research. Depending on the windings, you get different results, but according to Tesla's patent you can greatly increase the capacitance of the coil, and hence the potential energy.
It's been suggested that if you took Bill Muller's generator coils, with the amorphous magnetite/resin cores, and replaced them with correctly wound bifilar coils according to Tesla, reproducing Muller's system under these conditions, it would be interesting to see what happens.
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Excess coil or extra coil in Tesla magnifying transmitter produced extremely huge voltage when oscillating freely. It is the analogous of whip or swing. Now we call it antenna.
The solution is clear ! however essential part is missing.
Tito is using extra coil to generate extreme voltage from small power source, but he found a way to use it as a pump - sucking displacement current from ground or air and generating current spikes. Apparently it is not easy because we are misled by current knowledge about power in antenna being not real.Correct - it is reactive most of the time, but I'm sure there are ways to make it dissipate power into envinronment.
Read Colorado Notes - Tesla suddenly found that sparks from elevated capacitance of his magnifying transmitter can reach thousands of amperes.That was surprise.
@forest
YES! bingo you are absolutely correct with this quote!
@bar
of course the many the extra the many the gain but be very careful if you are using thick wires with caps cause it will make you fried and crunchy ;D
and sometimes, a sudden and unexpected lightning is produced in the near of you so be very careful sir! ;)
better wear many aluminum with magnets insulated to you to save you from this funny but dangerous experiment ;D
Bye friends AND God bless and BE VERY CAREFUL CAUSE YOU WILL NOW PLAYING WITH LIGHTNING OK ;D
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There is something about bifilar coils which needs further research. Depending on the windings, you get different results, but according to Tesla's patent you can greatly increase the capacitance of the coil, and hence the potential energy.
It's been suggested that if you took Bill Muller's generator coils, with the amorphous magnetite/resin cores, and replaced them with correctly wound bifilar coils according to Tesla, reproducing Muller's system under these conditions, it would be interesting to see what happens.
good! ;)
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hi every body gooday ;D
i will now congratulate you cause you are all already there, anytime now one will figured it out.
or anytime now one will go to other dimension of life ;D
That is why be careful! >:(
This experiment is the critical moment. its a matter of life and death.
do your experiment far from your family and others family!
make a long wire switch ok!
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Good going Forest.
I see many setups on YT that have a transmitter and receivers lighting LEDS and some lighting light bulbs on the receivers.
What I would like to understand is why the whole super high voltage? In teslas later days after the tower was torn down, he made receivers that didnt need transmitter, it ran off of what was already there. He also stated that the voltages were much lower than what the transmitter/receivers would use.
So My idea is to get some coil/cap configuration that works at lower freq and voltage. Resonance is resonance at what ever freq or voltage. There has to be a safer way to do this and make it compact. I am not attracted to aluminumfoil clothing or the every once in a while lightning bolt action happening. BAP BAPBAP!
Even if Tito did show all, I would still use that knowledge to work smaller angles of the process. Big is great. If I had a setup like Titos, I could charge my electric bike, run my tv, lights. But they could all just have smaller versions built in. If I were to ride my Ebike across town 20 mi. I would need a recharge, and maybe no place to plug it in. So if a small version that doesnt even need to put out what it takes to run the bike, just enough to charge as normal whenever the battery is lower than full. Even that small amount would be enough to extend the trip, and at every stop or release of the throttle, its charge time. So if it was able to put out 1.5a at 48v. (60v full charge max) I would have the same charging time more of the time and never left stranded. Stranded, on a bike? Its 80lb itself, Im 220lb peddling 300lb around 20mi is not a treat on the street. Just being on the bike for almost 2 hours a day can take a bit out of you. Lance Armstrong Im not =]
Mags
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That means not a living-room experiment? :-\
I agree with Mag, lets start small...
So, according you ,Tito, we must have a resonator, a free oscillating-non inductively coupled x-tra coil and a biffilar collector? or just resonator and biffilar collector? I am confused
I would be too indiscret, Tito, if i aksed a photo of your apparatus to have a guide to start building... something?
What about the primary resonator: is it a parallel LC, a Tesla coil secondary or solid state?
Come on master Tito, keep the ball rolling! :):):)
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It seems as though in both the magnifying transmitter and this pat...
http://www.google.com/patents?id=vTFmAAAAEBAJ&printsec=drawing&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
There are the flat pancake coils and the few turns of a secondary at the outer edges of the pancake.
Increasing oscillations is important here.
But is it this coil configuration that does it? It seems like the commonality.
Mags
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Mag,
Thanks for posting this patent. Here are two articles on copper which may shed some light here:
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=copper%20overunity
Mikey
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http://www.google.com/patents?id=p5g_AAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=nikola%20tesla&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
replace receiver pancake coil with pancake bifilar coil(s)
You should realize immediately why Kapanadze used spark gap. Bifilar coil produce strong magnetic field but we need pulsating magnetic field. ;D
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Mags
So where gonna build "bikes" after all??
Well Tito should like this project then!
BTW "sweet" ride,[had one of those}
Chet
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I think working with"Tiny" wire for safety will let us work closer to the house!
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Hey sparks, having being Inspired by Colorado Springs notes (a suggestion of Tito hahahaa :) ) i am gonna proceed in replicating a basic Amplification circuit Tesla proposes.
see photo.. and i will report (July 4, Colorado Springs notes)
ps: If someone succeeds here, i will be the first to praise Tito
This is the secret I would say, this resembles the Don Smith device. Left side is a HV transformer (tesla coil), uses a spark gap to ring the LC tank which is coupled to the next stage, the secondary uses the ground as the electron source, these stages need to be tuned on order to set up the standing waves. Output can be corrected (power factor) using capacitors. Then use a 1:1 isolation transformer to couple to do work.
I am building this now, coils are wound, need to mount the air form coils (plastic forms) and then tune the tanks. I will drive this with a simple tesla coil setup using a 555 timer circuit, frequency will be adjustable from 25 to 35khz. The circuit is off a little I think, but I will find out, I think the spark gap is in the wrong place. I say instead of asking build it and see for yourself.
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That means not a living-room experiment? :-\
I agree with Mag, lets start small...
So, according you ,Tito, we must have a resonator, a free oscillating-non inductively coupled x-tra coil and a biffilar collector? or just resonator and biffilar collector? I am confused
I would be too indiscret, Tito, if i aksed a photo of your apparatus to have a guide to start building... something?
What about the primary resonator: is it a parallel LC, a Tesla coil secondary or solid state?
Come on master Tito, keep the ball rolling! :):):)
@all
as what i have told you before there are two method. :)
i have given you the main ingredient of the first method of my discovery and that is the bigger version, now the smaller version used by SM, hubbard, moray, smith, hendershot, and tesla etc. is mine Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-X
now again start become mad at me again ;D sorry
now catch if you can catch ;D ;D ;D
make a deep research and experiment on these:
a) zener
b) resistor
c) carbon
d) computer fan motor
e) battery
f) coil
g) caps not a big deal ok
h) vibration and sounds plus the speed of light
oh boy its fun lol, ha!ha!ha!ha! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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TEETS
You ----- big------@#@$%#$
Crazy Guy!!
Chet
:-X
PS
I think some of these guys might think its "THEIRS"
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smaller version used by SM, hubbard, moray, smith, hendershot, and tesla etc. is mine Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-X
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TEETS
You ----- big------@#@$%#$
Crazy Guy!!
Chet
:-X
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I think some of these guys might think its "THEIRS"
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smaller version used by SM, hubbard, moray, smith, hendershot, and tesla etc. is mine Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-X
i like that way your doing that ha!ha!ha!ha!ah!ha!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ITS FUN!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
OH BOY I FEEL WEIRD TODAY!!!
sorry i'm just very happy in my new discovery ;D
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Ramset you big ole %#@&*! lol
Teets, What the *&^% are you doing? hehe
Thanks Tito for the info. I bet we could make a good batch of cookies with those ingredients also, but the secret will always remain how. =]
I was down and out about all this for a bit, it happens. But Im back in action.
Mags
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Ramset you big ole %#@&*! lol
Teets, What the *&^% are you doing? hehe
Thanks Tito for the info. I bet we could make a good batch of cookies with those ingredients also, but the secret will always remain how. =]
I was down and out about all this for a bit, it happens. But Im back in action.
Mags
ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
we are all always walking in that secret road and not noticing the sweet fruits in the way, maybe its overlook. ;D ;D ;D
it is now possible to power up a ref using 1.5 volt bat. using computer fan as an oscillator!
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TeeTs
tell me how to do this and I'll wash your car every day
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it is now possible to power up a ref using 1.5 volt bat. using computer fan as an oscillator!
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TeeTs
tell me how to do this and I'll wash your car every day
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it is now possible to power up a ref using 1.5 volt bat. using computer fan as an oscillator!
ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!
how cute u are joke! ;D ;D ;D
its just simple as these:
a) 1.5v -> c-fan then amplify using a lot of coils then inverter then ref. ;D
b) from antenna -> then a lot of coils then inverter then ref. ;D
c) if no inverter then from antenna then increase the pulse speed to 50 to
60 hz a lot of coils do them in series parallel up to the required voltage
of ref. then ref. :)
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Teets
So are you saying that using the c fan method, that we dont have the crazy high voltages and no Bap Bap Bap?
Mags
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Hey Teets, you see my bike? If there were a system on the bike, just enough to tun it, 500w, would all the coils needed fit in the bag on the back? =]
Or would there have to be rocket launcher looking tubes all over to enclose the coils?
Just wondering what we might expect if we enable ourselves to do this.
Thanks
Mags
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Hey Tito, I did it! And its running my bike!
Oh Happy day! ;D
Mags
Edit Do you think I need more coils or bigger ones? =]
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Hey Tito, I did it! And its running my bike!
Oh Happy day! ;D
Mags
Edit Do you think I need more coils or bigger ones? =]
No. All you need is to make special configuration of coils to make Kapanadze pump works in whirl fashion. This is what Tesla (1931),Hubbard,Mark,Smith and others did. Sorry Tito, this idea is not really yours.
One method is by creating environmental electricity pump, the other evolved from this by putting energy back into system and allow to flow in circle which is the best done with special coils but Kapanadze also shown it's possible with ground system. The second method is taking electrons from air.
I'm not sure yet if there is a third method also but it seems be realizable. The third method uses only radiant energy and atomic spin of metal atoms. This is the best method and allow truly miracles (like converting anything into anything).Not sure if anyone is ready for it.Tesla howitzer.
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Hey Forest
Hows it going?
So where should we begin here? Have any idea what to look at to give some good direction?
Thanks
Mags
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@ all
we have a lot of ways to control voltages and ampere and you know that already ok. ;D
300 watts of power is enough for a bike to run, just a good configuration of the gear gives you an energetic bike like the 369 gear configuration style ok. so that the motor will not suffer for heavy loads.
start DIRECTION suggestion: read hendershot papers. ;)
and MAGLUVIN, SPARK, WATTSUP, FOREST and erfinder POST ::) ;D ;D ;D
@FOREST
well i admit the idea is not mine its really from tesla but we are not many that knows the simple technique. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Na Teets. This bike uses a brush less motor in the front wheel. Your at 25 mph in less than 10 seconds. And the bike and me are 300lb. No gears here. The motor has like 60 1.5in x 1/2in. x 1/8in. mags on the outer drum and the coils are stationary to the hub. A lot of the pulse motor stuff we work on, we should be just be using this and modifying.
The max power in the US is 750W and 20mph to still remain a bike by law, except cali where they allow 30mph and faster with registration and tag.
At 500w I am getting very good power for up to 20 mi. depending on the stops and go's. Acceleration takes the most out of it, once going its not using 500w at full speed and throttle.
But it would be cool to be able to go and go and go. The bike has been very reliable, rain and all. I have 3 of them and 2 cars. But I ride the bikes a lot.
In fact I could make a different controller that paused a bit between pulses and capture some bemf. It could add to the ride being that the bemf is only discarded normally. Might loose some power with pauses, but the power I would get would go further.
Mags
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Magluvin
Are you electronic engineer ? Can you clear one problem for me ? Is there really only one resonance in electronics ? (I do not mean parallel and series modes) . I have a friend of mine which is good EE for years and he states there is only one electric resonance but I think there are two kinds and the kind which Tesla used he called "resonant rise" , we call them parametric resonance and my friend told me that this is the same as normal resonance with stable resonant frequency just here frequency changes.
In other ways he said that parametric resonance is nothing more then normal resonance and have no additional features and we can "break" such parametric resonance into stages of normal resonances with different frequencies. I have told him that such resonance is more then the sum of stages.
My most important question : if you have the normal resonance (LC circuit) ,does it really amplify (or accumulate) energy ? if you say yes then answer next question : if such circuit running normal LC at resonant frequency is broken at the point when all circuit energy is stored in coil magnetic field , what is the energy of generated impulse ? does it exceed energy of peak impulse from power source driving circuit ? do you know equations to show total energy in resonant LC circuit ?does it depend on time ?
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Na Teets. This bike uses a brush less motor in the front wheel. Your at 25 mph in less than 10 seconds. And the bike and me are 300lb. No gears here. The motor has like 60 1.5in x 1/2in. x 1/8in. mags on the outer drum and the coils are stationary to the hub. A lot of the pulse motor stuff we work on, we should be just be using this and modifying.
The max power in the US is 750W and 20mph to still remain a bike by law, except cali where they allow 30mph and faster with registration and tag.
At 500w I am getting very good power for up to 20 mi. depending on the stops and go's. Acceleration takes the most out of it, once going its not using 500w at full speed and throttle.
But it would be cool to be able to go and go and go. The bike has been very reliable, rain and all. I have 3 of them and 2 cars. But I ride the bikes a lot.
In fact I could make a different controller that paused a bit between pulses and capture some bemf. It could add to the ride being that the bemf is only discarded normally. Might loose some power with pauses, but the power I would get would go further.
Mags
WOW! COOL!, This is interesting. i like it! ;D
you gave me an idea to work on again ha!ha!ha!
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Forest, Im on the same trail my friend.
Check this out.
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
Download the zip for the applet and run it from the folder you extract to. Its very good for quick circuit designs. I have made some rc rlc combos that the resonance rises very easy with short pulse, oh yeah it has a good supply of sig gens and oscope to look at many things at once. Its helped me a lot.
But on the rising resonances, there are times that you get it to rise itself. =] The values of the L and C are infinite. But if you try to take from the rise, it will diminish quickly, so dont take it all at once and let it rise again. Im working on it. Ill show the goods when I get there. I cannot say the sim is perfect, but im impressed.
Other sims also
http://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html
But yeah I think that a combo of coils and caps can produce more out than in if tuned properly. Im working on getting feedback from the circuit to pulse itself at the right times. Great lil sim. Up in the tabs there are many programed circuits to fiddle to your hears content, or start from scratch. And if the writer has it running good and no off subroutines that keep us away from the good stuff happening, it just may be a good workbench to test things with. =]
Mags
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I think that in normal resonance we can amplify voltage or amperage but not both.This is why I state the releasing energy is no higher then the impulse from power supply.It can be huge voltage but tiny current or huge current but a microvolts but still then ENERGY IS NOT GAINED. What Tito is saying about is something which rise exponentially like a snow ball (the bigger it is the more snow it collects). Funny thing : there is now an advertising here on TV channel which uses parallel of snow ball to explain new bank service : the bigger amount you have in account the more you earn each time due to percentages.
Can you spot on which video Don Smith is showing us that resonant rise graph ?
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Teets
I put the bike together with a motor kit I got on ebay. Comes with motor wheel, controler, throttle, lead batteries 48v and new brake handles with shutdown when braking sensors. Was about $600 shipped from canada to Fl.
They have a lot of kits to choose from. Even 1000w and 2000w up to 45mph. But I think over 30 on a bike is pretty dangerous, being that they were not meant for it in the first place and the extra weight bares down on the bike at those speeds let alone 25mph, which is still not normal continuous speed. Minimum bike for the kit I have would be in the 400 to 500 dollar range to ensure it will go a long way before break down, Broken spokes or cracked frame.
Its a great investment.
Hey no comment on the tesla bike picture? =]
Mags
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http://www.math.ubc.ca/~feldman/demos/vlPendulum.html
Gray is our normal RLC resonant circuit.Blue is Tesla resonance.
w=2.4 A=0.16 Restart and watch.
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Hey Forest
I think he is doing it, amplifying both, but each in a different phase, I think. Since I have been messing around with this stuff the past couple years, stuff from tech school is coming back well. 3 yrs votech electronics and 2 yrs Pittsburgh. Ive been away from so much of it, but into it in many other ways than this. Heck I was building circuits on RS electronic kits at 8 yrs old, so school was a breeze.
But with a lot of this stuff, I have to empty my cup of some of that. Some of it has no place here.
Will let you know as I figure out some things. And feel free to ask anything any time. I will try to give the best answer.=]
Ok Im going to check out your link. bb
Mags
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Just checked out the pendulum. Well I would have to see that in real life. But it speeds up.
Very cool
Mags
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So Tito wants us to build ozone patent with bat. and c-motor with the secondary arranged as a Tesla receiver and extra coil (or mote of them) not connnected inductively?
Does anyone have any ideas related to carbon?
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Carbon... if you search this forum you discover almost a lot about carbon, as trasmutation, fusion etc
the point is carbon seems not to do anything except.. Burn.
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I looked at some hendershot drawings and this guy is rewinding capacitors. makes me think if the common values of capacitors are those values on purpose, as to not enable a proper value easily with what is out there. Im probably just babbling and a tuning cap will work.
In a schematic if you look at how the input and output are connected to the rest of the mirror image looking circuit, the ins and outs seem to be mixed in the circuit, as to do things out of phase with the single pulse from the buzzer oscillator to each side at the same time to get things going.
And the little lc circuit on the secondary of the transformers all by it self looks like the oscilation keeper or timing control of circuit after the pulse.
Very interesting. A bit wide as in how many things are going on. Be one heck of a tuning venture.
Mags
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I wonder if somebody saw Tesla coil like I see it now. Primary is a coil ,secondary is a magnetic CORE.That would explain why Tesla put a visible iron core into his transformer patent.Could it be a clue?
That would also explain famous mass relation : Tesla apparently wanted full saturation of core/secondary.
Back to Edison etheric force.Not sure how it all relates but it's interesting indeed.
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I believe Tesla believed the energy was on the surface of the coils, not in the wire itself. I have to go back and read it, but the amount of voltage in the coil was according to its length whether the wires were many fine or fewer thick. Im tired I have to sleep. Will reread this tomorrow and see if im nuts or not. =] But maybe the can capacitor captures that energy from the outside of the coil, or the inside, i dunno. lol
Mags
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Hey Loner
Well back in Pittsburgh, we call it skin effect. =]
Or is there 2 out of wire energies? I do custom car audio and on the tweets I use wire with the finest strands, to have more skin.
Does it not play by the same rules as normal conductivity? Hmmm
Mags
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Hello all,
@Loner
pulsed coils are a little bit hard to understand and to explain because the particles have their rules, to say so.
On the surface of a wire we have energized particles. But not only on the surface of the pulsed wires. Particles are all around such a pulsed coil. Of course, if the pulsating frequency is higher then you have much more energized particles.
The current that is spent and that you can measure from your power supply is the current needed to move this particles and to energize them.
And yes, if you want only to pulse a coil to "produce" kicks you dont need almost no current but in such a case you cant have energized particles. On the other hand it should be possible to collect such not energized particles so we could use them. Bearden.
Otto
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@Loner
I dont care about to use right terms. What means skin effect?
Thats current or what ever on the surface on a wire? Not enough for me!
Yes, Im thinking in the "particles way" so I can better understand whats going on in pulsed coils. As I never saw an electron Im using the term "particle". In some coils there are positive particles and in some coils they are negative or even mixed.
Particles ARE the base of true electricity in pulsed coils. If you can collect enough particles, you can use them. You can feel them, they exist. You can make them visible and you can hear them. This particles are for real.
Im not talking about a theory, Im talking about what I see every day.
Otto
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Hello all,
@Loner
surface effect is a totally wrong term. Better is "explosion effect"!! When a pulse hitts a coil particles are fired out of this coil in ALL directions!! Thats the truth. Thats the reason when you pulse a coil and after a few hours of work you feel soooo bad....thats the reason why you see the voltage from your power supply rising....
Easy to prove. At least for me.
Yes, at lower frequencies are not so much particles released and at higher frequencies we have much more of this released particles. Thats fact and logic.
As I already said Im using the term "particle" for something that other would say "electrons" or....you name it. And I said, I never saw an electron but my particles I can make visible. If I would tell you how you would say that I see oridinary electrons but....I think the name is not important. What counts is their behaviour and without such a knowledge we are not able to understand whats going on in pulsed coils or wires not to mention pulsed sets of coils.
Not to bother anymore here, just try to accept the fact that when a pulse hitts a coil "something" very powerfull is fired out of this coil in ALL directions.
Yes, Im here also only a guest and cant shut my mouth but maybe somebody clever reads my words and maybe I helped just a little bit....you never know.
Otto
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you can not get a two for one electron but you can get a two for one Photon, the Photon is the only particle you can get a two for one sale on at your local Electron super-saver. sorry for the analogy.
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So particles are exploded from the coil. Are we to collect these particles? Or are they just a thing that happens when you get it right and they dont mean anything really?
Mags
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So particles are exploded from the coil. Are we to collect these particles? Or are they just a thing that happens when you get it right and they dont mean anything really?
Mags
it really depends on what particle you are taking advantage of. electron amplifiers only recycle already electrons in use while photon amplifiers actually produce two photons for one. like I have been preaching, Photons are the future because the photon is the only particle you can get two for one from an electron of a specific type.
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it really depends on what particle you are taking advantage of. electron amplifiers only recycle already electrons in use while photon amplifiers actually produce two photons for one. like I have been preaching, Photons are the future because the photon is the only particle you can get two for one from an electron of a specific type.
hi sir goodday
i got 3 electrons for 1 using aluminum and carbon ;)
thats why i have a lot of current. it even burn my lab in this experiment. lol ;D
i think it depends on the material and the arrangement design of the circuit sir correct me if i'm wrong sir. ;D
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Hey teets
Could you point us to an example of aluminum and carbon? I have looked for this stuff but I dont see.
Thanks
Mags
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hi sir goodday
i got 3 electrons for 1 using aluminum and carbon ;)
thats why i have a lot of current. it even burn my lab in this experiment. lol ;D
i think it depends on the material and the arrangement design of the circuit sir correct me if i'm wrong sir. ;D
Hi Tito.
Electron amplifiers only recycle their existing electrons in circuit, they can't actually give you two for one of 'different' electrons unless you pump more in, Photons are the only particle you can get two for one 'from' an electron. it is a type of over unity that is just giving birth. I know it is a bit to follow but it is the truth. with two photons I can effect two electrons and the multiply the effect.
this tech is really in its birth stages but trust me it will surpass all other techs once mastered. it all comes down to light!
see, Electrons have a limited potential when it comes to being stored, they have charge which limits their ability to be on any given surface area without effecting the other, Photons do not have this characteristic.
I can fit all the photons in the universe inside a thimble and even smaller, Electrons can never compete with the photon in this area.
the current photon tech is not quite yet been mastered but one day it will be and it is the right direction in achieving google-watts of energy inside an area the size of your thumb. electrons could never achieve this on their own.
I am sorry you are stuck in such a primitive age.
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@Loner
As you can see, I have been VERY skeptical for a long time, and have begun to throw away a lot of what I was accepting as "Fact", simply because
the proofs were "Told" to me in schools, etc. Now I have become a
lot like what you talked about. I need to "See" it to believe it, but
it all gets confusing when, as I said, what does that really mean?
I think you are on the right track and on topic, in his later years Tesla stated something to the effect that-- there is no energy in matter not given to it from it's environment. If this is the case then perpetually wondering about electrons and photons may not be the answer. As well maybe we have become too occupied with the circuit itself and it's properties when we should be just as concerned with how the circuit interacts with "everything" around it and what this "everything" is. In any case I have made much more progress in understanding and experiments once I understood that there is more to consider than just conductors and electrons.
I like this ----
The hardest part for me was to accept that electron
movement, which many describe as "Current", is an effect.
It is hard but it gets much easier, you are going to be in for a very big surprise soon if you keep learning at this rate.
Regards
AC
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@Loner
I think you are on the right track and on topic, in his later years Tesla stated something to the effect that-- there is no energy in matter not given to it from it's environment. If this is the case then perpetually wondering about electrons and photons may not be the answer. As well maybe we have become too occupied with the circuit itself and it's properties when we should be just as concerned with how the circuit interacts with "everything" around it and what this "everything" is. In any case I have made much more progress in understanding and experiments once I understood that there is more to consider than just conductors and electrons.
I like this ----It is hard but it gets much easier, you are going to be in for a very big surprise soon if you keep learning at this rate.
Regards
AC
Every element has the ability to amplify photons if you know the right frequency deliverance of photons, it is the correct frequency that makes the difference in the appropriate atmospheric environment whether gases and or solid!
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Hey teets
Could you point us to an example of aluminum and carbon? I have looked for this stuff but I dont see.
Thanks
Mags
@mags
You can find that from bruce perrault papers.
@onthecuttingedge
i think you are right sir, and i am very flexible to look on that tech, i beleive there is always room for improvement in me, and promise you i will not stuck from primitive age ;D
But sometimes a simple problem needs only simple solution, and a specific right medicine for a specific illnesses. ;D
i'am fun of making very simple things but gives tremendus result. i do not want complicated method but i can learn that one 8).
and if i learn that one maybe i can make it more better :-\
i am actually finished in this free energy thing, i am now focusing in anti gravity and laser technology. 8)
Yes, photons are unlimited but if in your source the electrons flows and moves freely and use it and dissipate it freely i think no more difference with them.
since they both possess the energy effect its up to us how we use them ok.
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Cuttingedge
So are you saying that photons is what tesla was using, or are you saying teslas stuff did not work?
If Tito has what he says, and understands it, then it is us who are primitive and he is on top.
Its cool to ponder what will be, like photon energy and all, ideas are ideas. The idea of a laser was thought of way before it was actually made.
Here is a question for ya, A ruby pulse laser, is the output more than the input? I would have to say so. But it is not sustaining unless we can convert the energy in the beam back into the flash pulse that started it all.
So your future is now.
But if tito says he has an electron multiplier, that is another thing. Just as some may not dig your concept, just as you are not digging theirs, doesnt mean that both dont exist. =]
Thats why we are all here.To find ,figure ,test, share and I would hope for most, to make this world a better place.
With energy problems out of the way, we all would have much more to spend on other stuff.
This is why I lean toward a safer form of ideas rather than super high freq magnetic waves and high voltage Bap Bap of the occasional lightning bolt. These things are just what might shut this type of free energy down by law saying its dangerous. Even though we have our microwave ovens and gallons of gasoline in our cars at 80mph, they are apparently safe to cook with and be around. But that doesnt mean they wont pull a global warming scam on a TitoGen.
It has to be safe, even if it is open source. If Teets did fully share and we all here had made and used the device and it started to spread world wide, I can see laws come into effect that would make it risky to do so even for ourselves.
Like the TitoGen, does it emit a detectable signal that can be located by govt or whom ever? Well that would have to be delt with to keep it on the down low.
" Roger central, we have located the signal and we have confirmation from the Bap Bap sensor that there is a Freegen being used at this location. Were going in."
So my goals are the same but I have reservations on the way it is done. Not that I dont want to know how Teets is doing it, because just the understanding of it will open doors.
Mags
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Cuttingedge
So are you saying that photons is what tesla was using, or are you saying teslas stuff did not work?
If Tito has what he says, and understands it, then it is us who are primitive and he is on top.
Its cool to ponder what will be, like photon energy and all, ideas are ideas. The idea of a laser was thought of way before it was actually made.
Here is a question for ya, A ruby pulse laser, is the output more than the input? I would have to say so. But it is not sustaining unless we can convert the energy in the beam back into the flash pulse that started it all.
So your future is now.
But if tito says he has an electron multiplier, that is another thing. Just as some may not dig your concept, just as you are not digging theirs, doesnt mean that both dont exist. =]
Thats why we are all here.To find ,figure ,test, share and I would hope for most, to make this world a better place.
With energy problems out of the way, we all would have much more to spend on other stuff.
This is why I lean toward a safer form of ideas rather than super high freq magnetic waves and high voltage Bap Bap of the occasional lightning bolt. These things are just what might shut this type of free energy down by law saying its dangerous. Even though we have our microwave ovens and gallons of gasoline in our cars at 80mph, they are apparently safe to cook with and be around. But that doesnt mean they wont pull a global warming scam on a TitoGen.
It has to be safe, even if it is open source. If Teets did fully share and we all here had made and used the device and it started to spread world wide, I can see laws come into effect that would make it risky to do so even for ourselves.
Like the TitoGen, does it emit a detectable signal that can be located by govt or whom ever? Well that would have to be delt with to keep it on the down low.
" Roger central, we have located the signal and we have confirmation from the Bap Bap sensor that there is a Freegen being used at this location. Were going in."
So my goals are the same but I have reservations on the way it is done. Not that I dont want to know how Teets is doing it, because just the understanding of it will open doors.
Mags
there are no electron multipliers in the sense that a new electron is created from an existing electron, this is absurd. the only known particle in existence who can do this is the photon. Electrons are only 'recycled' to amplify their presence.
like I said in the past, learn more on how to manipulate photons, in the end there will be nothing better. of course there will always be those who beg the differ but I promise you you will be on the right path.
most people are fooled by the disillusion effect at low energies that an electron by itself can deliver everything one needs but photons can energetically manipulate more than one electron at the same time if the frequency is correct and only if you know everything about that photon and know how to control it absolute.
as the gods once said, in the beginning there was light.
I say this is the way to control matter absolute once all the frequencies are matched to all matter and utilized.
I am a purely scientific individual, I don't believe in any known god. I just study their effects on everything else.
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there are no electron multipliers in the sense that a new electron is created from an existing electron, this is absurd. the only known particle in existence who can do this is the photon. Electrons are only 'recycled' to amplify their presence.
like I said in the past, learn more on how to manipulate photons, in the end there will be nothing better. of course there will always be those who beg the differ but I promise you you will be on the right path.
most people are fooled by the disillusion effect at low energies that an electron by itself can deliver everything one needs but photons can energetically manipulate more than one electron at the same time if the frequency is correct and only if you know everything about that photon and know how to control it absolute.
as the gods once said, in the beginning there was .
I say this is the way to control matter absolute once all the frequencies are matched to all matter and utilized.
I am a purely scientific individual, I don't believe in any known god. I just study their effects on everything else.
hi cut
i think electron multiplier is not the right word but electron producer maybe the right word.
actually the right frequency is not a big deal in my circuit, i just use it to minimize some module actually.
and if you are using photons to get electrons then that is your way of producing electrons right? and i admire you with that and i have other way to produce electrons. still we both use these electrons, what a funny ha!ha!ha!ha!
if there is no electron multiplier, what is photon? lol ha!ha!ha!ha!
i think its just a misunderstanding of what we have ok.
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hi cut
if there is no electron multiplier, what is photon? lol ha!ha!ha!ha!
If we break down an electron and a positron we get two photons at .511 MeV which together require 1.22MeV Photons to exist, so what are you saying?
anything that has an anti particle requires photons to exist. photons rule all of this world and or dimension.
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If we break down an electron and a positron we get two photons at .511 MeV which together require 1.22MeV Photons to exist, so what are you saying?
anything that has an particle requires photons to exist. photons rule all of this world and or dimension.
well, maybe your right but it seems complicated, i think that is not the way tesla made his works. :)
your too high tech even tesla i think will salute you sir!
its like we can never have a current without a voltage but we can have a voltage without current.
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Your right, there is no goose that lays golden amplified electrons.
And produce is a bad word for it also.
Lets call it, a pump that is able to move more electrons than what is normally had. But, that would be considered an amplifier, in audio. really the electrons are just a count for power in the circuit. Its the force that moves the electrons, thats what we should be concerned with.
So what Tito is doing is using the "force" in a way that gets him more electron counts than normal on the other end. Thats not so hard to believe, if the force is with you. =]
Now we just have to figure out what the force is, and figure how to manipulate or control it.
Mags
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well, maybe your right but it seems complicated, i think that is not the way tesla made his works. :)
your too high tech even Tesla i think will salute you sir!
Tesla was not well informed of the Quantum realm nor will he ever be informed of the quantum realm. he is dead and out of time.
I really do like Tesla but he did not solve all the answers.
people give Tesla to much credit. he did a lot but he was not a god.
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Your right, there is no goose that lays golden amplified electrons.
And produce is a bad word for it also.
Lets call it, a pump that is able to move more electrons than what is normally had. But, that would be considered an amplifier, in audio. really the electrons are just a count for power in the circuit. Its the force that moves the electrons, thats what we should be concerned with.
So what Tito is doing is using the "force" in a way that gets him more electron counts than normal on the other end. Thats not so hard to believe, if the force is with you. =]
Now we just have to figure out what the force is, and figure how to manipulate or control it.
Mags
yes! your absolutely correct! thats my men! ;D
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Your right, there is no goose that lays golden amplified electrons.
And produce is a bad word for it also.
Lets call it, a pump that is able to move more electrons than what is normally had. But, that would be considered an amplifier, in audio. really the electrons are just a count for power in the circuit. Its the force that moves the electrons, thats what we should be concerned with.
So what Tito is doing is using the "force" in a way that gets him more electron counts than normal on the other end. Thats not so hard to believe, if the force is with you. =]
Now we just have to figure out what the force is, and figure how to manipulate or control it.
Mags
in a pure electron amplification process you are only recycling the electrons used! you do not create new electrons from expended ones. you can not split an electron and get two!
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Tesla was not well informed of the Quantum realm nor will he ever be informed of the quantum realm. he is dead and out of time.
I really do like Tesla but he did not solve all the answers.
people give Tesla to much credit. he did a lot but he was not a god.
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but i think tesla deserves all of this credit for we cannot make a building without strong foundation and i believed there are still more from tesla that are being kept by some keeper that until now the tech is only in their arm.
maybe we wouldn't know quantum realm is obsolete to him in his days.
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in a pure electron amplification process you are only recycling the electrons used! you do not create new electrons from expended ones. you can not split an electron and get two!
yes! you cannot split but you can produce a lot and not recycling.
you have your method and i have my method too ok.
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[ author=onthecuttingedge2005 link=topic=5772.msg229900#msg229900 =1267003870]
Tesla was not well informed of the Quantum realm nor will he ever be informed of the quantum realm. he is dead and out of time.
I really do like Tesla but he did not solve all the answers.
people give Tesla to much credit. he did a lot but he was not a god.
but i think tesla deserves all of this credit for we cannot make a building without strong foundation and i believed there are still more from tesla that are being kept by some keeper that until now the tech is only in their arm.
maybe we wouldn't know quantum realm is obsolete to him in his days.
Tesla deserves credit where credit is due, nothing more. there are other deserving scientist that are never mentioned by the likes of the many, especially Tesla, My favorite is Planck. Planck was the first in my opinion to start the Quantum theory.
I don't believe in classical mechanics since I left high school, now it is all about Quantum Physics.
Jerry
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in a pure electron amplification process you are only recycling the electrons used! you do not create new electrons from expended ones. you can not split an electron and get two!
Im not saying electrons are being produced, they all already exist. But the action of the way Teets is manipulating the force is causing more power to flow than can be produced with input alone. I dont know how.
The new OU prize candidate is giving his new transformer to the ou crew. Maybe this will be something that is easy and everyone gets a slice of pie.
Some one will give away the goods at some point. Then most that have been holding on to it will just have to sit back and say hmmm.
Mags
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[ author=onthecuttingedge2005 link=topic=5772.msg229909#msg229909 date=1267005068]
Tesla deserves where credit is due, nothing more. there are other deserving scientist that are never mentioned by the likes of the many, especially Tesla, My favorite is Planck. Planck was the first in my opinion to start the Quantum theory.
I don't believe in classical mechanics since I left , now it is all about Quantum Physics.
Jerry
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well for you planck is good but for me tesla is more better :P :D ;) lol Ha!ha!ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!
actually tesla's work are being suppressed its lately because of internet we were able to access them right, he is even not popular just lately he become popular right?.
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Not needed. Look at Kapanadze device. Large DC voltage difference between ground and elevated capacitance makes a pump of displacement current - it's like a underpressure. There is overpressure on elevated capacitance. The spark is very energetic in amperage ! All we have to do is to know how to convert that current into normal one and it will become a valid implementation of Tesla idea of unanimated device working continuously on ambient energy.
This is where bifilar coil can be used IMHO. Kapanadze found actual shape of coil which converts unidirectional speed-up displacement current escaping as spark from Tesla coil into large current high frequency in closed circuit. Look his 100kW unit in video : 3 TC coils are clearly seen sparking into 3 special coils (receivers)
I received today a small digital NST for automobiles that has the following specs: input 12-15Vdc, @5 amps max. Output 9500 volts @ 30mA. (Don Smith suggestions to experiment with those)
I assebled a small run setup with an improvised magnetic quenched spark-gap.I charged my ready 26nF cap bank and fired at several distances of the spark-gap. All ok. The interesting part is that in an "arc short" or when the NST enstablishes a conductive path on air, the streamer that is should be close to max nominal amperage of 30mA is quite thin!
The spark will jump of a small distance, more or less 1mm and will be thin!
I had not idea how much streamer thickness will correspond to amperage, but seeing the specs and comparing to my Solid state Tesla coil (Kacher) i can say that the TC is able to produce, constantly, at least to the eye, streamer far more long and thick.
Longness of course correspond to voltage. I estimate on the topload of my SSTC to have 40-60KV. But, it thickness is serious more than the NST. Can be 5-10 times as thick...
Is that a virtual power, the streamer, corresponding to just resonance standards or can be tapped in any way, as the videos of Kapanadze showing streamers issuing from a coil to the next??
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Sweet spark gap setup dude. How is it going?
Mags
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Im not saying electrons are being produced, they all already exist. But the action of the way Teets is manipulating the force is causing more power to flow than can be produced with input alone. I dont know how.
The new OU prize candidate is giving his new transformer to the ou crew. Maybe this will be something that is easy and everyone gets a slice of pie.
Some one will give away the goods at some point. Then most that have been holding on to it will just have to sit back and say hmmm.
Mags
yes they(electron) already exist, we 're just controlling them right!
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oh Logos
tesla used mica in the surface of the mags and they can be brought in very close to the gap without the spark jumping to the mags.
Mags
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Thanks Mag for the Tip. Actually the near neomagnet to the arc is form epoxy. BTW that does not stop the conductivity to go over the epoxy if voltage mounts above a level (10Kv).
Mica huh..
By the way, the spark gap of a semiclosed magnetci circuit form neos, have an ear-splitting feature. I am pleased! My next will be from huge neos 100kgr + of attraction.
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I assembled a small run setup with an improvised magnetic quenched spark-gap...The interesting part is that in an "arc short" ...
The spark will jump of a small distance, more or less 1mm and will be thin!
Remember it's to be used as a SPARK-gap not an ARC-gap; fast on-off.
- Schpankme
Drive for show and Putt for dough.
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Reply for otto:
"It Is an Electric Gun
The beam of force itself, as Dr. Tesla described it, is a concentrated current—it need be no thicker than a pencil—of microscopic particles moving at several hundred times the speed of artillery projectiles. The machine into which Dr. Tesla combines his four devices is, in reality, a sort of electrical gun.
He illustrated the sort of thing that the particles will be by recalling an incident that occurred often enough when he was experimenting with a cathode tube. Then, sometimes, a particle larger than an electron, but still very tiny, would break off from the cathode, pass out of the tube and hit him. He said he could feel a sharp, stinging pain where it entered his body, and again at the place where it passed out. The particles in the beam of force, ammunition which the operators of the generating machine will have to supply, will travel far faster than such particles as broke off from the cathode, and they will travel in concentrations, he said.
As Dr. Tesla explained it, the tremendous speed of the particles will give them their destruction-dealing qualities. All but the thickest armored surfaces confronting them would be melted through in an instant by the heat generated in the concussion."
Interesting that Tesla called them "neutrons"
"I thank Dr. Macek and you for the happy news. It is important that you know the following: [In] eight years I developed a new title using 50 of my patents of which one third are not applied. In the system there are no electrons. Energy goes into the same direction without any distribution [dissipation] and the same on all sides of distance. It contains neutrons. [In] the air [its size] is equal to a diameter of hydrogen. It can destroy the largest ships afloat. There is unlimited distance of travel. The same is for airplanes."
"The production of the death-beam, Dr. Tesla said, involves four new inventions, which have not been announced by him. The scientific details of these inventions are to be given out by him before the proper scientific bodies in the near future. In the meantime he gave out a general statement outlining their nature.
The first invention, he said, comprises a method and apparatus for producing rays and other manifestations of energy in free air, eliminating the high vacuum necessary at present for the production of such rays and beams.
The second is a method and process for producing "very great electrical force."
The third is a method for amplifying this process in the second invention.
The fourth, he said, is "a new method for producing a tremendous electrical
repelling force.""
http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_011.htm
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Uranium is not the only element that can be rendered radioactive. You can take plain old nitrogen and render it radioactive. Nice thing about it is the 1/2 life is in the milliseconds versus thousands of years.
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thanks. So, Tesla was talking about neutrons, our members about photons, others about electrons....as Im not so good educated and never saw this little beasts Im calling them particles so the people with a better knowledge can decide whats the right term.
Im only a little coil builder.
Otto
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The new OU prize candidate is giving his new transformer to the ou crew. Maybe this will be something that is easy and everyone gets a slice of pie.
Some one will give away the goods at some point. Then most that have been holding on to it will just have to sit back and say hmmm.
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I couldn't agree more!!
@Otto
I also agree ,they are "little Beasties" {elec..whatevers...??]
Chet
Ps Mags
Loved the Bike ,even though it wastes plasma[spilling on ground]
PPS Logos
Sweet set up -> ;D [ actually worthy of 3 Tito faces ,[saving bandwidth ]]
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Thats my way to pull electrons from the earth. On a bike, I dont have a ground post. =]
Mags
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Ramset
Thats my way to pull electrons from the earth. On a , I dont have a ground post. =]
Mags
hi mags good day ;D
what is the result of your coil/caps experiment? did you see something?.
i also smell something good in your experiment. ;D
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Hey teets
Could you point us to an example of and carbon? I have looked for this stuff but I dont see.
Thanks
Mags
http://www.nuenergy.org/theory/ioncell.htm
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Hey Tito
very cool link and thanks a bunch. By the way, you do know that I photo shopped the tesla bike, fake, fun. =]
I will get to the resonance testing tomorrow.
You the man Teets! =]
Mags
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hey Otto
How about Ions? =] I havnt heard of that here yet. ;)
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if Tesla's Transmitter is giving off Neutrons then there is some serious Gamma Ray energy taking place because it takes Gamma Rays from a High energy electrical spark and or other neutrons to produce such radiation.
Tesla's Transmitter would of been nasty.
* Fast neutrons have an energy greater than 1 eV, 0.1 MeV or approximately 1 MeV, depending on the definition.
* Slow neutrons have an energy less than or equal 0.4 eV.
* Epithermal neutrons have an energy from 0.025 to 1 eV.
* Hot neutrons have an energy of about 0.2 eV.
* Thermal neutrons have an energy of about 0.025 eV.
* Cold neutrons have an energy from 5x10-5 eV to 0.025 eV.
* Very cold neutrons have an energy from 3x10-7 eV to 5x10-5 eV.
* Ultra cold neutrons have an energy less than 3x10-7 eV.
* Continuum region neutrons have an energy from 0.01 MeV to 25 MeV.
* Resonance region neutrons have an energy from 1 eV to 0.01 MeV.
* Low energy region neutrons have an energy less than 1 eV.
Hard X-Rays to Gamma Rays interact and knock off Neutrons, I guess everyone is right, it would of been a death ray because you would of died from ex-poser! Neutrons can fly out at nearly the speed of light for 'about' 16 seconds before they decompose to a Proton and an Electron.
I am familiar with +50Kv flyback transformers that I use to play with and they too gave off minute amounts of Gamma- Ray and X-Ray energy and smelly O-Zone. I am also sure that if I had a neutron flux detector there would of been some neutrons in that count.
lower energy neutrons are more deadly because they are slow enough to interact with other forms of matter without passing through you! have you ever heard of the Neutron Bomb? a small 'dirty' H2/H3-Bomb to be more exact.
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Emm Ions? =]
Teets link
http://www.nuenergy.org/theory/ioncell.htm
Mags
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otce
Photon excitation of valence shell electrons into the conduction bands in the presence of a magnetic A can seperate or yield more free electrons than just pulling them out of a heated cathode in a vacuum tube. If the cathode is a heated gas then the free electron yield is even greater. Second order ionization energies are decreased and the free electron yield can lead to an electron cascade event. The largest problem now is what to do with all these free electrons. Moving them to a capacitor plate seems to me to be a good thing to do with them.
mod Once you stop smelling the ozone is when things get interesting. You arent working with gases anymore but into the 4th state of matter. A selfpinching plasma has a life of its own. Very capable of converting randomized heating events into electrical currents. The more heat you throw at a magnetically self confining plasma the colder it appears to the enviroment. Its weird the hotter it gets the colder it looks which is an example of negative entrophy.
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I have been given much thought to the biffilar coil. I made one from a pvc former, placed upon a shelf and i keep looking it from times to time...
What a biffilar can do?
Tito, you have been advocated a lot about biffilars. You have also gave a youtube video. Can you propose a simple experiment with biffilars to get an understanding of it?
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Tito You have also gave a youtube video.
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Teets is a movie star-> 8)?
I missed his "flick" can you post a link?[please]
Thanks
Chet
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I have been given much thought to the biffilar coil. I made one from a pvc former, placed upon a shelf and i keep looking it from times to time...
What a biffilar can do?
Tito, you have been advocated a lot about biffilars. You have also gave a . Can you propose a simple experiment with biffilars to get an understanding of it?
try to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb39SwTXBE
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Tito
Our buddy TK,
and I see the head Metrologist, the real brains of the operation Alshetelokin looking on with that discerning Beak in the back ground.
Thanks
Chet
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That TK vid I believe was by request from OC(whipmag idea that TK(Al) made). But I dont think the test in the vids on this, there are a couple from TK, are really what OC was looking for as in how and why. Tk knows how to apply them, and this is not how. As you can see by the results of the test, there really isnt any good application for his config as shown other than to mislead.
Maybe Tito knows what they are good for. ;]
I made a vid comparing back emf output and magnetic output running a rotor, of a series bifi and a regular coil, both of the same no. of turns and there was no difference. The vid is on my Magluvin channel at YT.
mags
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Hey tits,
I have seen that video long ago. it's illustrating the properties of the biffilar beautiffully.
I think it is evident that the biffilar as a receiver, or as a spark-producing resonator is quite lousy, since it has large self-capacitance and all current will flow inside it, hence no sparking across it or little.
(Tesla regarded the distributed capacitance of the secondary of his coils as an evil that needed overcome)
On the contrary, as it seems that coil as a... coil, or magnetic field producer (hence inductor) is supperior (?) because its self inductunce is nulled (above a certain voltage threshold) by its capacitance, so more current is flowing to it from the discharging cap.
In other words, as i see it, the discharging cap meets no inductunce and discharging speed is greater??
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Hey tits,
I have seen that video long ago. it's illustrating the properties of the biffilar beautiffully.
I think it is evident that the biffilar as a receiver, or as a spark-producing resonator is quite lousy, since it has large self-capacitance and all current will flow inside it, hence no sparking across it or little.
(Tesla regarded the distributed capacitance of the secondary of his coils as an that needed overcome)
On the contrary, as it seems that coil as a... coil, or magnetic field producer (hence inductor) is supperior (?) because its self inductunce is nulled (above a certain voltage threshold) by its capacitance, so more current is flowing to it from the discharging cap.
In other words, as i see it, the discharging cap meets no inductunce and discharging speed is greater??
i think mags can help you much better than me ;D
out for vacation bye.
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Hey tits,
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No No No its "TeeTs"!
Chet
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Ramset
lololol i had thought at one point that this connection might be made, but it was not my intention.
I will refer to Tito as Tito from now on =]
mags
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Me too,
Tito have a good vacation!
Chet
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Oh,,, LOL i see. hahaa
Anyway, it is not his real name so he cant be offended! He is such a humorous person.
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Mag, what's your view concerning the biffilar coil? You speculate any actual use?
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I have looked for much info in the last year and tries some things. Here is a vid i did a while back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIreSheNujQ
As for the flat coils, maybe that is what you have on the shelf, from Teslas pat at the beginning of this thread, I see the coil surrounding the outer edge. its possible that the flat coils field is concentrated at the outer edge of the coil. But it just may be a transformer. I will see what I can do to see what is going on there.
I have not tried much in this yet. I made tiny flat coil in the vid above to test for Lenz effect for a friend, but not much going on there.
Tks vid though, i dont think you will ever see a configuration like what he shows. That is why I dont think he intentionally meant to show the goods on this stuff.
If you have seen a bedini bifi, 1 coil is just for pickup signal and doesnt have anything to do with the other coil directly other than providing timing signal to the circuit. So no bifi glory there.
Mags
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Hi everyone,
I noticed that you are not talking about Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, but you got something else to talk about :D
Anybody reading Tesla patents?
OK , here are some qustions for you :
1. Why is ignition coil build on that way it is today in our cars , but not like Tesla said it should be? (pat. 609250)
2. Why is lightning protector still build like rod but not like Tesla said (pat. 1266175)
3. Why one-phase motor (pat.464666) like Tesla designed is no where to buy or find?
These are just some patents that are dealing with "secret" Tesla technology and you are asking yourselves where is Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter secret? Well try reading Colorado Spring Notes, than you may find out :D
Best regards ;)
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@Mag,
I am familiar with Bedini's use of biffilar. This is not in the spirit of Tesla's patent in any way. As you correctly said, it just for signalling.
Anyone who has some knowledge in the electrotechnics, and have read the patent "coil for electromagnets" two things could think about the biffilar coil.
1)st It's a coil, specially suited for electromagnets, having superior performance in same way than ordinary ones, and likes especially to work under great voltage. (the greater the more striking the biffilar effect
2)nd It's a coil, specially made for resonance setups (in electromagnets) without having to deal with capacitors.
Is there any thing from the above, that makes the Biffilar coil, suited for "energy receiver" as tito says?
Tinsel Koala's video shows clearly that this coil sux for receiver or at least as resonator. by the way, Tinsel Koala did not showed if the biffilar is better as electromagnet (under same setups) than the normal coil.
I guess we have to find out
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Look here http://www.tesla-coil.com/magnifier.htm
A very interesting resource (website)
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Lets suppose we place the biffilar as a receiver as tito suggests.
What would be the topology between receiver and a load?
Tito have mentioned that biffilar coil developes a strong magnetic field. At least stronger than a similar normal coil's does. Magnetic field is energy, So biffilar is energy creator? nah...
We know that magnetic's field strength depends on the square of the current that flow in it. So, i speculate with a specific amount of charge (say a Coulomb) and given EMF, the biffilar design excells at magnetic field creation, because it shows inductunce (canceled actually) and makes larger current movement in it?????
Cannot be such simple that a biffilar is a magnetic amplifier...
In any way, how we connect the load? We have to have another "pickup" coil next to the biffilar i guess. Tito said he used a trifilar. So a biffilar + normal one coupled closely together perhaps? (hence triffilar?)
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Logos
Didnt Tito just post that he didnt have an answer about the bifi above? But now you say he said this of trifi?
Can you refer me to that post please? =]
I just think it is strange.
thanks
mags
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you are not paying attention... ;)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5772.165
scroll down until you spot the comment of what kind of coils he says he uses.
I think, he refused to reply because i made the mistake to call his "tits" instead of "teets" :D Sorry my colloquial english sux.
Anyway, we cannot name with such an ease the biffilar coil as a magnetic amplifier! Magnetic field equals energy. And since the biffilar works better with voltage, i am thinking if the concept about the biffilar holds true, then we should discharge to it large voltage / current and see....
I was grasping the concept, that biffilar perhaps should radically differ from a coil scheme connected in series with a capacitor. If a capacitor is connected in series with a coil, still the inductor have the chocking action/magnetic field build-up upon the very first discharge or current rush, whereas the capacitor poses no impedance.
May be that the biffilar poses no impedance or lesser at least from an ordinary coil, so increased current so increased magnetic field, so increased energy harvest?
We need to investigate towards this direction..
EDIT:
An interesting observation made in the infamous Kapanadze video of Turkish back-yard free energy presentation. (perhpas it has been said before, i do not know)
In the end of the demonstartion, all fellows went inside a home and some books and papers were shown based on the technology. For those having the full . video, at the 53:13, a guy next to Kapanadze holds a paper clearly shown an article of Oliver Nichelson in 1991 talking about Tesla's energy designs and the biffilar coil.
http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm (see the article here)
In case they are not genuinly mislead us, they leave a lead?
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Why are you expecting someone to tell you secret??? Why are you focusing on bifilar when it is designed for coils for electromagnets not for TeslaCoil? Tesla newer draw any bifilar coil for Tesla Coil! Ask Tesla ! You are speaking about some receivers but no one is mentioning Tesla longitudinal voltage receiver like in patent 685955 or in 787412 !
Problem in working that receiver which is not sensitive one, is that you need to create big enogh disturbance in Earth. How to do that?? Well build one TeslaCoil like he had one :D You have to have HIGH VOLTAGE AND HIGH FREQUNCY to have enough voltage per meter of length so you can operate receiver!
If you don't want transfer throgh Earth but only localy over some wire, just connect transmiter directly with receiver.
Everybody are building some TeslaCoils and when you compare them with Tesla they look stupid!
For example, everybody are building TeslaCoil with secondar with several thosand turns and diameter max 20cm but Tesla had one with 50 turns spiral wound and diameter 244cm and developed 2-4 mega volts, and compare that with results today in TeslaCoil practice :D You have wrong instructions for TeslaCoil !!! His secondary was cable No8 or diameter of 3,2mm giving 8,3 square milimeters and having resistance only 2 Ohms per kilometer of length! Compare that with todays TC with secondar with wire No32 or diameter 0,2mm having resistance 538 Ohms per kilometer length! How can you have AMPLIFICATION if resistance is HIGH. AMPLIFICATION is Q factor of coil which is inversly proportional to resistance !!! When it was no longer practical to give rise to diameter of wire Tesla introduced cooling the wire to very low temperatures (-200°C) to have even bigger AMPLIFICATION because resistance is falling down with temperature (see patent 685012)! His primary was only one turn cable consisting of 37xNo9 giving aprox 244 square milimeters! How can you than expect to have good working receiver if you don't have good transmiter?
And one message to ERFINDER : Thank you for everything you pushed me in right direction, I can drive now by my own.
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what motor do you use?
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Look at the picture.3 TC are clearly visible.Those 3 receiver coils are the SECRET ONES, but Kapanadze described them as bifilar made. They are good for electromagnets, right ?
How they work separated from power source by a spark gap ? Pulsed magnetic field right ?
What if the secondary one terminal is connected to primary bifilar end while other bifilar end is connected to spark gap ? The electrons from spark will push electrons inside wire and finally push electrons in secondary thick wire while magnetically producing power.Hmm....VAR correction ???
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There is an electrochemcial reaction going on in the spark gap. Nitrogen and Oxygen are combiing to form nitrates. Lightning is a scource of nitrates. Nitrates are not good for corona discharge equipment as they are conductive therefore ozone producing equipment has oxygen seperators upstream of the very large surface area spark gaps. Nitrogen and oxygen combining is an exothermic process. When this process takes place in the presence of a magnetic field the excess thermal energy takes on the form of electron acceleration along a common path. The electrostatic potential of the confined orbiting free electrons is radiated. The spark gap becomes a monopolar negatively charged mass field. Free electrons on the surface of a copper conductor are accelerated away from the spark gap and an electrostatic induced current insues in the primary winding from the oxidation of nitrogen. The spark gap is then cleared of the conducting nitrates and new fuel is brought in. Tesla himself tried setting up his spark gaps in evacuated tubes and found the results disappointing. Nitrates are only returned to nitrogen and oxygen in endothermic chemical reactions. They are the basic ingredients in fertilizers. The nitrogen cycle is very important as most of our atmosphere is comprised of it.
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@Del boy,
Believe whatever you want dude. Biffilar coils are not suited for tesla coils. Period. Those are the worst kinf of coils. But as receivers, they can be actually used if they possess the peculiar properties they are attributed at.
I am familiar with Tesla Coils actual designs. This way Tesla achieved Qs of tens of thousands. So? You have a million volts... you have more power out? You have also a great current displacement... You have power?
Who told you that? Any proof? We are all speculating here
@Forest,
more or less that's the idea Tito suggests, and its according Kapanadze speculative technology also... A high Q resonator or Tesla coil to amplify small voltage/current levels via resonance (this way we have virtual power of pf=0) and a biffilar (or triffilar) setup for pulsing and power harvesting
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Im speculating here. Tito said he went on vacation. Then delboy arrives pretty much the next day,new. Delboy reminds me of tito a bit but a little different. ;)
mags
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Im speculating here. Tito said he went on vacation. Then delboy arrives pretty much the next day,new. Delboy reminds me of tito a bit but a little different.
mags
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Could be the Erfinder connection[another I know but won't tell fellah]
I had the same thought!
Hopefully Teetums is sunnin himself on some beach down by you.
Chet
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Anybody have a link to Erfinder's site?
Lost in a crash!
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Why are you expecting someone to tell you secret??? Why are you focusing on bifilar when it is designed for coils for electromagnets not for TeslaCoil? Tesla newer draw any bifilar coil for Tesla Coil! Ask Tesla ! You are speaking about some receivers but no one is mentioning Tesla longitudinal voltage receiver like in patent 685955 or in 787412 !
Problem in working that receiver which is not sensitive one, is that you need to create big enogh disturbance in Earth. How to do that?? Well build one TeslaCoil like he had one :D You have to have HIGH VOLTAGE AND HIGH FREQUNCY to have enough voltage per meter of length so you can operate receiver!
If you don't want transfer throgh Earth but only localy over some wire, just connect transmiter directly with receiver.
Everybody are building some TeslaCoils and when you compare them with Tesla they look stupid!
For example, everybody are building TeslaCoil with secondar with several thosand turns and diameter max 20cm but Tesla had one with 50 turns spiral wound and diameter 244cm and developed 2-4 mega volts, and compare that with results today in TeslaCoil practice :D You have wrong instructions for TeslaCoil !!! His secondary was cable No8 or diameter of 3,2mm giving 8,3 square milimeters and having resistance only 2 Ohms per kilometer of length! Compare that with todays TC with secondar with wire No32 or diameter 0,2mm having resistance 538 Ohms per kilometer length! How can you have AMPLIFICATION if resistance is HIGH. AMPLIFICATION is Q factor of coil which is inversly proportional to resistance !!! When it was no longer practical to give rise to diameter of wire Tesla introduced cooling the wire to very low temperatures (-200°C) to have even bigger AMPLIFICATION because resistance is falling down with temperature (see patent 685012)! His primary was only one turn cable consisting of 37xNo9 giving aprox 244 square milimeters! How can you than expect to have good working receiver if you don't have good transmiter?
And one message to ERFINDER : Thank you for everything you pushed me in right direction, I can drive now by my own.
Hi every body goodday ;D
greetings! happy day happy summer happy easter happy holloween merry christmas and happy new year!
this is the crazy guy of overunity dot.com now signing on! ;D
how is everybody!
is there something new,
well i'm getting weird everyday ;D
first i'm not BELBOY OK. look at me closely i'm little bit handsome ;D and bellboy :-[
hi del boy just a joke, welcome to the family ;D
do you know that I don't actually need a transmitter for my receiver? ???
do not focus on a primary use of a bifi, everything has a lot of use we have to discover their different use ok.
No! amplification is not! a Q factor of coil ok. amplification is a by product of collapsing magnetic field of an energized capacitor! discharge. from a ____ and ____ circuit 8) ;D
well what you are talking is our current system, there why i can't blaime you.
yes i would like to thank also erfinder for opening one of my eye. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D lol
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Just the way things are said and when the smilys come in.
I would swear it was a brutha from anotha mutha. ;)
mags
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titos back? ;D
Hey Tito, got a question. If you have a resonant LC circuit humming right along, if you have another LC siting near it, will the second one ring? And also if we took 1 wire and connected the 2 LC's, would it be a good conection for a good ring transfer?
And finally, if we add a 3rd LC circuit, of the same 1 and 2, can we make all 3 ring like champs with 1 wire connections?
I suppose that might be a lot to let out, but its just a question of the quest. =]
Magluvin
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this is off the topic ;D
Do you know that combining gyroscopic effect plus our free energy equals Anti gravity?
i think there is something good in this field.
the weight is diminishing when there is some kind of rotating steel then make an electromagnet in the middle to push it upward is easily, i am now studying how to control it actually.
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Tito
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first i'm not BELBOY OK. look at me closely i'm little bit handsome ;D and bellboy >:(
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Teet-o
Very funny [very]
Chet
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If you have anti gravity, you can control up and down in reference to the earth, but can the device move left and right directly, as in can the force move you horizontally directly from the sides?
Or would it be like a hover craft with the typical actions as in sliding into turns and such.
Mags
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Well where is Delboy? hmm?
mags
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titos back? ;D
Hey Tito, got a question. If you have a resonant LC circuit humming right along, if you have another LC siting near it, will the second one ring? And also if we took 1 wire and connected the 2 LC's, would it be a good conection for a good ring transfer?
And finally, if we add a 3rd LC circuit, of the same 1 and 2, can we make all 3 ring like champs with 1 wire connections?
I suppose that might be a lot to let out, but its just a question of the quest. =]
Magluvin
well, i did not yet tried that, but i think it is not a good amplifier cause it is not very fast.
second one will ring depend on the distance and its not a good idea sorry ;D
but i really feel that you are nearer and nearer, your really a threat but its okay hope you succeed :)
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Well where is Delboy? hmm?
mags
i guess belboy is in the hotel waiting for a bell, hahahahaha lol joke only
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If you have anti gravity, you can control up and down in reference to the earth, but can the device move left and right directly, as in can the force move you horizontally directly from the sides?
Or would it be like a hover craft with the typical actions as in sliding into turns and such.
Mags
well i will try to make a slanted coil if there is an effect, i guess there is.
well just try and try until we die hahahahah lol ;D
back to work now
i think delboy now apear but i'm not delboy ok see ;D ;D ;D ;D
am i talking to my self or what oh boy you are now confused lol hahahaha ;D
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Tito
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first i'm not BELBOY OK. look at me closely i'm little bit handsome ;D and bellboy >:(
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Teet-o
Very funny [very]
Chet
hi chet
can you make me a portrait of my handsome face ;D
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Well if we think about the Faraday paradox, the anti gravity probably does not really push against the gravitational force, it uses the energy or the substance of the vacuum as the force to recon with. The N Machine. So the force the device produces can be applied in any direction. The govt uses this already. Im not touching that one. ::)
And its probably powered by Titogen and a AAA battery. =] And a 6 pack in the fridge. lol
They wont use any stuff like this out in the field, like in maned vehicles as the risk of the tech getting into the wrong hands, even a soldier, wont happen.
mags
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the problem here is none of you make a difference on how this is supposed to work. none of you! are you joking with this or are you actually trying to buy time with this thinking somebody will actually fall for it?
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Emmm wut?
mags
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Delboy
Was looking at the auto ignition pat and it is interesting to see how different it is compared to todays setup.
I am going to try some things with that. it has tesla written all over it.
mags
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Whao, I think delboy aint playin.
http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00609250.pdf This is the car ignition pat.
Read the part starting at line 44 where he describes H in the drawing. This is a different way of doing things from what I know, but the reality of it is out there. heck read the whole thing a few times.
Good looking out Delboy. ;]
Mags
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Ok fellas, Are you ready for the girls?
tesla if thee master of all men. His patents are interwoven to enlighten one another.
This pat tells us how to
1 Create a simple "source of high tension" with simple switching
2 Shows how to charge a cap with it by simple switching
3 And the cap being pulsed to the primary coil by again, a simple switch gives us the abrupt discharge ("sudden rush") to the primary coil.
And all at 12v in. , no spark gap, no spark quenching, no huge generator for source of high tension.
Now that answers Sooo many questions about a lot of things and presents us with a valuable use of low voltage input source to run directly to the goods.
that is a LOT just from 1 patent concerning all this stuff.
Gimme a Holla Delboy, holla holla holla holla holla, holla holla holla Dave Chapelle skit =]
Now for the final step, the amplifier
Will be back in a bit , Im looking for that now. and i think I know where it is..
Delboy, You Rock!
Magluvin Can you smell what the rock is cookin? i feel like a genius, but its just plagiarism. lol But I would fight all that deny these facts till the death here in thread. Copy it and store it all safe. this was a treasure of multitude dudes, multitude, magnitude, Magadude. =] Im excited!
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Tesla Patent no. 609250
Electrical igniter for gas engines
I Magluvin here state that this patent By Nikola Tesla is a major keystone to understanding. It is the key to the door.
So now All i have to find is the knob! lol we are so close I can smell it! ;]
Magluvin
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Tesla Patent no. 609250
igniter for gas engines
I Magluvin here state that this patent By Nikola Tesla is a major keystone to understanding. It is the key to the door.
So now All i have to find is the knob! lol we are so close I can smell it! ;]
Magluvin
hmmmm ;D
i'm excited tooo :D
i feel some kind of orgasmic effect, i think this is the secret ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I give Delboy All the credit for the presentation of the idea of where to look. I am only relaying what I read and interpreted from what I have read from other tesla patents and the connection is clear and evident.
It is the low voltage way I have had my mind set on with moving forward on this idea of amplification. It simplifies many things that are not easy to accomplish when you visualize these ideas in other patents on the subjects of..
1 simple source of high tention
2 avoiding spark gaps and quenching
3 producing abrupt discharge by way of simple switching
Of which are what becomes seemingly huge objectives when first looked upon in other patents and descriptions. This Pat provides very simple ways of doing these things, as that anyone can achieve the objective.
Magluvin
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mags and Tito Jumping up And down busting out the champagne!!
!!!!!!!!!Happy New Year!!!!!!!!
Magshappy Cheers To the World!
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I do not want to be a spoiler here, but this Tesla patent is the predecessor of the plasma ignition in contemporary gas machines.
The concept is simple and is Bedini style as we know it today (Tesla style actually). Same as the ozone patent of Tesla's. Charging an inductor and then, when abruptly opens the circuit, magnetic field collapses and charges a capacitor - the infamous flyback current - .
Then, a charged capacitor in series with a coil, does what it does best. it rings at that particular frequency of the system.
The L2 coil will ring also, and if tuned will be a nice tesla coil or ringing LC. If not tuned at least will spark.
What is the advantage of it, in comparison to spark-gaps and HV generators? (apart from the noise and simpler setup?)
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Logos
hows it goin buddy, bust out the bifi.
I made a new thread on this pat. the thing with this is it is not freq dependent. The freq is dictated by the application needs. this simplifies things even further. Imagine, no spark gaps, simple anytime you want pulses any freq. These things are very favorable in my book.
magluvin
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I have to look for this 1 item first and if Im correct, Grandma can build this thing with knitting needles and a soldering iron after a trip to radio shack.
let me check this out. be back in a bit. hold on, someones knocking on my door really loud. BAAHH hahahaha lol
Magluvin
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@Del boy,
I am familiar with Tesla Coils actual designs. This way Tesla achieved Qs of tens of thousands. So? You have a million volts... you have more power out? You have also a great current displacement... You have power?
Who told you that? Any proof? We are all speculating here
I'm not speculating !!! Tesla told me ;)
It's problem in understanding of REACTIVE POWER AND ENERGY !!! Tesla Coil is generator of REACTIVE POWER!
Huge POWER GENERATOR. All you need is right receiver for that kind of transmiter. And even that Tesla gave to us, but nobody wants to read. But again , problem is that we don't have correct TeslaCoil like Tesla said it should be!
quote : "In 1900, however, after I had evolved a wireless transmitter which enabled me to obtain electro-magnetic activities of many millions of horse-power"
Another quote : "In my first efforts, of course I simply contemplated to disturb effectively the earth, sufficiently to operate instruments. Well, you know you must first learn how to walk before you can fly. As I perfected my apparatus, I saw clearly that I can recover, of that energy which goes in all directions, a large amount, for the simple reason that in the system I have devised, once that current got into the earth it had no chance of escaping, because my frequency was low; hence, the electro-magnetic radiation was low. The potential, the electric potential, is like temperature. We might as well call potential electric temperature. The earth is a vast body. The potential differences in the earth are small, radiation is very small. Therefore, if I pass my current into the earth, the energy of the current is stored there as electromagnetic momentum of the vibrations and is not consumed until I put a receiver at a distance, when it will begin to draw the energy and it will go to that point and nowhere else
Suppose that the earth were an elastic bag filled with water. My transmitter is equivalent to a pump. I put it on a point of the globe, and work my little piston so as to create a disturbance of that water. If the piston moves slowly, so that the time is long enough for the disturbance to spread over the globe, then what will be the result of my working this pump? The result will be that the bag will expand and contract rhythmically with the motions of the piston, you see. So that, at any point of that bag, there will be a rhythmical movement due to the pulsations of the pump.
That is only, however, when the period is long. If I were to work this pump very rapidly, then I would create impulses, and the ripples would spread in circles over the surface of the globe. The globe will no longer expand and contract in its entirety, but it will be subject to these outgoing, rippling waves.
Remember, now, that the water is incompressible, that the bag is perfectly elastic, that there are no hysteretic losses in the bag due to these expansions and contractions; and remember also, that there is a vacuum, in infinite space, so that the energy cannot be lost in waves of sound. Then, if I put at a distant point another little pump, and tune it to the rhythmical pulses of the pump at the central plant, I will excite strong vibrations and will recover power from them, sufficient to operate a receiver. But, if I have no pump there to receive these oscillations, if there is nowhere a place where this elastic energy is transferred into frictional energy (we always use in our devices frictional energy -- everything is lost through friction), then there is no loss, and if I have a plant of 1,000 horsepower and I operate it to full capacity, that plant does not take power, it runs idle, exactly as the plant at Niagara. If I do not put any motors or any lamps on the circuit, the plant runs idle. There is a 5,000 horsepower turbine going, but no power is supplied to the turbine except such power as is necessary to overcome the frictional losses.
Now the vast difference between the scheme of radio engineers and my scheme is this. If you generate electromagnetic waves with a plant of 1,000 horsepower, you are using 1,000 horsepower right along -- whether there is any receiving being done or not. You have to supply this 1,000 horsepower, exactly as you have to supply coal to keep your stove going, or else no heat goes out. That is the vast difference. In my case, I conserve the energy; in the other case, the energy is all lost"
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I give Delboy All the credit for the presentation of the idea of where to look. I am only relaying what I read and interpreted from what I have read from other tesla patents and the connection is clear and evident.
It is the low voltage way I have had my mind set on with moving forward on this idea of amplification. It simplifies many things that are not easy to accomplish when you visualize these ideas in other patents on the subjects of..
1 simple source of high tention
2 avoiding spark gaps and quenching
3 producing abrupt discharge by way of simple switching
Of which are what becomes seemingly huge objectives when first looked upon in other patents and descriptions. This Pat provides very simple ways of doing these things, as that anyone can achieve the objective.
Magluvin
If you want to power TC with low voltage than you will use this one with two stage amplification. Take a look at this picture I posted.
But if you have source of high tension than you will use one-stage amplification. Next picture.
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Just look Tesla patents hronologicaly. Tesla patented 9 forms of circut controllers = switch ! That was what he was trying to perfect.
First there was spark gaps, than rotary spark gap, than rotary switch with brushes, and finally rotating switch with liquid metal! All that was because reducing looses on commutation!!!
Where you can find switch with caracteristics 1000A and voltage drop less than 1V ???? Max you can have is IGBT of 1000A and 4,5V and that is big looses. Tesla had better switch 100 years ago, and you don't even read his patents , that is shame :(
You are still using old shema from 1891. that Tesla abandon! He perfected his own TeslaCoil and you even didn't look at it. That it is shame :(
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The main advantage of igniter patent and ozone patent is this : IT IS DC SYSTEM
This produce radiant effect easily.
Please tell me more about bifilar coils. Where can I find how magnetic field of this coil looks like and if inductance of this coil is stable or depends on some factors ?
Basically if I good understand any capacitor discharge into coil produce such magnetic field spike which can produce current spike in envinronment or second coil.Bifilar would just store 2500 more energy then ordinary coil which is set for one resonant frequency.
BUT..... in igniter patent there is commutator used to discharging and charging capacitor.The main problem is to build one or to replace it with electronic part ? I think solid state device would be hard to realize.
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hey Forest
Well this is what i like about this pat. Pulse when needed. We are not tuned to any particular freq. No tuning.
If there is Radiant energy here, it will happen in 1 pulse or as many and how ever fast as you like.
I see a relay contact working fine here. We are starting with 12v, use a relay to put 12v across the inductor, release the relay and the inductor discharges to the cap, and a relay to discharge the cap into the primary. These 2 things can be done with 1 spdt relay. Its just what is the output and what to do with it and how. ;)
Im still looking for the door knob that I mentioned earlier. Reading and posting and reading and posting. ok back to reading..
mags
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I'm not speculating !!! Tesla told me ;)
It's problem in understanding of REACTIVE POWER AND ENERGY !!! Tesla Coil is generator of REACTIVE POWER!
Huge POWER GENERATOR. All you need is right receiver for that kind of transmiter. And even that Tesla gave to us, but nobody wants to read. But again , problem is that we don't have correct TeslaCoil like Tesla said it should be!
quote : "In 1900, however, after I had evolved a wireless transmitter which enabled me to obtain electro-magnetic activities of many millions of horse-power"
Another quote : "In my first efforts, of course I simply contemplated to disturb effectively the earth, sufficiently to operate instruments. Well, you know you must first learn how to walk before you can fly. As I perfected my apparatus, I saw clearly that I can recover, of that energy which goes in all directions, a large amount, for the simple reason that in the system I have devised, once that current got into the earth it had no chance of escaping, because my frequency was low; hence, the electro-magnetic radiation was low. The potential, the electric potential, is like temperature. We might as well call potential electric temperature. The earth is a vast body. The potential differences in the earth are small, radiation is very small. Therefore, if I pass my current into the earth, the energy of the current is stored there as electromagnetic momentum of the vibrations and is not consumed until I put a receiver at a distance, when it will begin to draw the energy and it will go to that point and nowhere else
Suppose that the earth were an elastic bag filled with water. My transmitter is equivalent to a pump. I put it on a point of the globe, and work my little piston so as to create a disturbance of that water. If the piston moves slowly, so that the time is long enough for the disturbance to spread over the globe, then what will be the result of my working this pump? The result will be that the bag will expand and contract rhythmically with the motions of the piston, you see. So that, at any point of that bag, there will be a rhythmical movement due to the pulsations of the pump.
That is only, however, when the period is long. If I were to work this pump very rapidly, then I would create impulses, and the ripples would spread in circles over the surface of the globe. The globe will no longer expand and contract in its entirety, but it will be subject to these outgoing, rippling waves.
Remember, now, that the water is incompressible, that the bag is perfectly elastic, that there are no hysteretic losses in the bag due to these expansions and contractions; and remember also, that there is a vacuum, in infinite space, so that the energy cannot be lost in waves of sound. Then, if I put at a distant point another little pump, and tune it to the rhythmical pulses of the pump at the central plant, I will excite strong vibrations and will recover power from them, sufficient to operate a receiver. But, if I have no pump there to receive these oscillations, if there is nowhere a place where this elastic energy is transferred into frictional energy (we always use in our devices frictional energy -- everything is lost through friction), then there is no loss, and if I have a plant of 1,000 horsepower and I operate it to full capacity, that plant does not take power, it runs idle, exactly as the plant at Niagara. If I do not put any motors or any lamps on the circuit, the plant runs idle. There is a 5,000 horsepower turbine going, but no power is supplied to the turbine except such power as is necessary to overcome the frictional losses.
Now the vast difference between the scheme of radio engineers and my scheme is this. If you generate electromagnetic waves with a plant of 1,000 horsepower, you are using 1,000 horsepower right along -- whether there is any receiving being done or not. You have to supply this 1,000 horsepower, exactly as you have to supply coal to keep your stove going, or else no heat goes out. That is the vast difference. In my case, I conserve the energy; in the other case, the energy is all lost"
Oh,delboy. This is not so simple. Tesla was hiding a lot of information (or those were wiped from his text) - the only tip we can find is in 1900 article about increasing human energy.What Tesla described above is wireless transmission which is never OU.The piston on receiver cause a friction to be propagated back and affect piston-transmitter in the same way as Lenz law affect transformer.
P.S. I mean OU is not in such wireless transmission.It could be "generated" in transmitter alone or "receiver" alone or in DC wireless :-)
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The main advantage of igniter patent and ozone patent is this : IT IS DC SYSTEM
This produce radiant effect easily.
Please tell me more about bifilar coils.
BUT..... in igniter patent there is commutator used to discharging and charging capacitor.The main problem is to build one or to replace it with electronic part ? I think solid state device would be hard to realize.
It is not point that advantage is DC system!
It's point that you don't produce current spikes of hundreds of ampere to produce voltage spikes on sekondary !!! Current from source is limited with H (large input inductivity) and as soon current start developing it is abruptly stoped by switch and HIGH VOLTAGE is generated on SWITCH because of III Newton law= reaction of system, and that high voltage is used to charge capacitor! Tesla's system don't give BIG load to battery!
H is large inductivity or we can think of that as model of constant current.
You are mislead by opinion that inductivity gives HIGH VOLTAGE. It's switch that regulates how big this voltage will be!!! And also it can be regulated over inductivity, look at patent no. 568178 there you have 4 ways of regulation! That is first step in amplification. Second amplification is in secondary by adjustment of primary inductivity to hit the resonance in secondary! Q factor in secondary gives how big voltage will be on TOP-LOAD!
Formula for power in secondary is P=Cs*fs*Us^2
Cs-top-load capacity for example 150pF
fs - resonant frequency in secondar for example 50kHz
Us - voltage on top load for example 1MV
Than we have P =7,5MW oscillating reactive power in secondar available for transfer
But there are more requirements to this Tesla system :D
-secondary in spiral form
-length of secondary is quater of wave length
-frequency of secondary about 50kHz (and not 1MHZ !!)
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Oh,delboy. This is not so simple. Tesla was hiding a lot of information (or those were wiped from his text) - the only tip we can find is in 1900 article about increasing human energy.What Tesla described above is wireless transmission which is never OU.The piston on receiver cause a friction to be propagated back and affect piston-transmitter in the same way as Lenz law affect transformer.
P.S. I mean OU is not in such wireless transmission.It could be "generated" in transmitter alone or "receiver" alone or in DC wireless :-)
There is nothing hidden. Find Colorado spring notes and find patents, and that is it!
Why could not be OU if we generated several MW reactive power with input of several kW ???
Than you put Tesla receiver that will pick up just few percents of that but enough to became OU device!
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There is no point to argue delboy. I see you have a better knowledge then me about electronics.
I only said that DC is easier to produce radiant effect. How do you convert reactive power in your Tesla coil with high Q and resonant secondary ? How do you pick up JUST few percents of it without disturbing resonance ? I don't say it's impossible but I just don't know how.
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There is no point to argue delboy. I see you have a better knowledge then me about electronics.
I only said that DC is easier to produce radiant effect. How do you convert reactive power in your Tesla coil with high Q and resonant secondary ? How do you pick up JUST few percents of it without disturbing resonance ? I don't say it's impossible but I just don't know how.
Hmmm, isn't resonance effect that gives rise to reactive power???
How big Q factor than proportinaly that big will be reactive power!
For example, if we have on primary say 3kV and primary is 1 turn and is in loose connection with secondary and primary see only few turns of secondary, for example 5 of them, and secondary have 50, giving 45 is left! Because nothing is ideal, let supose that we transfered let say 2kV to 5 turns of secondary.
That 2kV is now one NEW SOURCE of high frequency! And we have stil 45 turns left and also there is TOP-LOAD capacity! This is new RLC open circuit: SOURCE – 45 turns= INDUCTIVITY – TOP_LOAD capacity. This is important to understand. Resonance is possible in an open RLC circuit! One wire transfer!
Than if Q of secondary is for example Q=500, than under resonance this will give 500*2kV =1MV voltage of high frequency. Than you can calculate by uper formula, how big power will be., because it depends on capacity, frequency and square of voltage! Tesla build TC with relativly big diameter. You now why? Because he wanted to reduce loosses in secondary because if you have thousand of turns your voltage will be eaten up by parasitic capacity!
That's why he had only 30-50 turns in secondary but diameter was 3-15 meters which gives high induction necessary to have high Q! Tesla enlarged induction by making diameter bigger not turns! It is also square dependent!
How to collect this power without disturbing resonace? With one wire transfer (wireless)! One wire can be Earth, Air(over 5 miles high), Sea, Copper etc I must go through something. That's why I call it ONE WIRE. You first must understand pricips of one wire transfer, than talk about how Tesla drive car on some black box bla bla. You are skiping the important part in Tesla's life.
You have patents 645576 and 649621 describing transversal receiver. Receiver is reverse of TC. Or if you want logitudinal one than look at 685955.
Ask your selves, how come that bulbs are light on connection C when they are short circuit?
I recommend reading this :
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm)
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm)
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hey delboy
Be cool. =] We appreciate what you have given here. It has opened my eyes to something that I just wasnt able to see before on this.
I think this will be good for all as they gander and see.
I am envisioning the possibilities of pocket size versions. having many individual devices , 1 for every product or use.
No more wires in the walls. 1 for the electric car that really does not need to put out much more than the recommended charger necessary to charge the batteries. or all the way to eliminating the batteries.
But this pat lended to the realization of how it could be done easily as compared to what we have been trying to figure out for months. Well now, for me, most of the pieces are here at hand. You can go to radio shack and get all you need to do it. Im going to experiment with a bit at a time to get those first things going and see what we see. Then continue on. Once we get the base going, waiting to figure out the last part, we will be prepared to add that as we sort out what gives us what we want on the output.
I would like to see some projects going on in this or my new thread, which ever, its the same. =]
It will be fun. ;]
Mags
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Bang bang! "1 wire transfer" I just asked tito about that.
i like what im hearing
mags
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For better understanding you must see it from Tesla point of view!
He had secondary coil of several meters wide. Why we don't make them like that?
He sad it should be low frequency (50kHz) and we use several hundrets and even MHz, why that?
TC must be designed in proper dimensions and that dictates our planet Earth!
TC is not designed to be spark device, for producing sparks, that is silly. Tesla produced sparks just to see how big voltage is developed in secondary and to see is it near resonanse, nothing else. In normal operation it should be no sparks. They are bad, they are big losses. Thats why he in first place runned away from spark gap to brushes! What for then high voltage? Because you want big current displacment. That electricity on TOP-LOAD have frequency of 50kHz, for example, and TC is grounded, that means it is generating picture of electricity in ground of oposity sign that is to say it is creating disturbances. You generated voltage per length in Earth, all you need is receiver to collect it properly! And who said that it must be Earth and it must be grounded? It can be connected with copper cable, and it will work, just you are now creating voltage per length in copper cable, and that is it.
Please read and re-read the patent 685955 to understand how longitudinal receiver works. It works on logitudinal voltage!
For example in our electrical network we have high voltage but we don't have high frequency, that is problem! Let say that voltage is 400kV / 50Hz If we calculate quater of wave that gives us 1 500 000 meters, that means we will have only 400 000/ 1500 000 =0,26 V/m and that is so small.
Let's calculate for TeslaCoil. Let we have also 400kV in secondary but this time 50kHz which gives quater of wave to be only 1500 m and voltage per meter will be: 400000/1500=266V/m You see, only on one meter we will have 266 V, enough to operate receiver !
Distribution of longitudinal voltage is not linear, but next time about that :D
If anybody understasnd what I'm talking about :D
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Delboy, this is all killer stuf! killer = good =]
So the length of copper wire, used instead of earth, will act like a piano string that resonates at 50khz? But it will be the length of the wire that determines the freq. instead of tightening the piano strings to tune.
Is this correct? =]
So this is the new portable reservoir, no ground needed. Just the length of wire for the wave to compress and decompress current to provide a reservoir of electrons to work with in the circuit. Like the earth ground wire on a crystal radio. I had Radio Shack electronics kits when I was 8yrs old. the amount that I learned from that, I has that figured out then by using a piece of copper pipe instead, so now I was mobile with the crystal radio. Till now, I never thought of using it any other way. Very cool and absolutely a possibility 100%.
So Tesla's setups were so big because he tuned to the earths vibration which would be like the low note on the piano.
Thanks Delboy
magluvin
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delboy,
Seems to me your talking about creating a "window of opportunity"?
Also seems like you Know what your talking about!
[making a lot of sense]
You have the floor!!
Thanks
Chet
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Delboy, this is all killer stuf! killer = good =]
So the length of A, used instead of earth, will act like a piano string that resonates at 50khz? But it will be the length of the wire that determines the freq. instead of tightening the piano strings to tune.
Is this correct? =]
Thanks Delboy
magluvin
First, length of copper wire for secondary will determine what frequency you will have to use, because it should be quater of wave. And second, the length of copper wire between transmitter and receiver can be what ever you want :D
You tune the transmitter and receiver to desired frequency.
Let me give an example of transfer of energy between transmitter and receiver.
We will use 50kHz range or about that, that means length of secondary wire will be around 1500m. We will not use so thin wires like you used to do, because Tesla used cable AWG No8, we will use let say copper wire diameter 2,3mm that gives us only 6,6 Ohms for length of 1500 meters.
If we use diameter of 10meters for secondary, we will first of all calculate the primary inductivity. For that size one turn primary will have 40uH and if we put standard capacitor of 0,22uF like primary capacity we get resonant frequency of 53,65kHz. From this data we calculate that length of secondary will be 1400m, and will be wounded about 45 turns on 10 meters wide body.
That gives secondary inductivity will be around 500mH ! And can be adjusted by spacing between turns (height of coil). For a such big inductivity we will need only 20pF secondary capacity to achieve resonanse efect. Q factor for such high frequency and high inductivity and small resistance will be over 10 000 :D
Let's say that we have regulating inductivity in primary, and we set resonanse so that on secondar is voltage of 1MV.
Now let it transmitter be connected to receiver designed on the same principle but reversly. Receiver primary will be 1400m and his secondar will be one turn cable giving length of 31 meters.
We can calculate voltage per length of copper wire. It will be about 700 V/m. Let suppose that because losses and other we get in receiver available only 500 V/m that means for length of 31meter voltage on receiver secondary will be about 15kV.
The frequency is also 53kHz that gives power on primary capacitor : P=2,6 MW :D
We discharge this capacitor on load over controler with speed that we regulate. By the process in receiver, capacitor is charged and discharged in less than 20us because of high frequency and with controler we discharge it for example every 1ms on standard output transformer to have properly output.
For a such low frequency of discharge, power available for output will be P=50kW and max available is over 2 MW. Like you have generator of 15kV/53kHz which can give 100A :D You just connect another output transformer or light bulbs or similar devices, parallel to capacity in receiver.
You transform high voltage high current into small voltage and even bigger current :D
That is point of patent 462418 electrical conversion and distribution. That is beauty of Tesla's system. He wanted to power whole town with only one TC. How come that we can not power only our home?
I input only 1kW to run controller and 1kW from input transformer and 1kW to run controller in receiver and that is all 3kW only. And I get 50kW with one transformer or 50 kW with 10 times 5kW transformer :D whatever design I use in receiver I will get more output than I input :D
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delboy,please look at Kapanadze video and tell me how he created 5kW from 12V car battery (plus inverter), because his device is smaller then 1/10 of your proposed cicuit :o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK-G5srFKYU&feature=related
Kapanadze video (the best one). Very informative.
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@ Del Boy,
What you are saying in the last posts of yours is the condensed info of Tesla's Colorado springs notes and generally his pursue for signaling and eventually energy transmition.
The point is, nowhere Tesla mentioned that the transmited energy is less than the received. Nowhere.
On the contrary, losses he argues always occurs but to a smaller degree than using EM waves.
The activity of million horsepower, is just power! Not energy. Power in physics is very distinct from energy :) An oscillating system, can develop very large power, yet it has energy?
In my examination of the Colorado springs notes, the only nebulous and potentialy a lead (for me) discovery of Tesla was that his extra coil, when connected to ground (whereas his primary oscillator was nearby and working being grounded also), he managed to attain resonance and lighted some lamps.
He made the ascertation that he could "tap" a portion of that resonance (about 1% and much more...) without spoiling the effect. particularly, his coil had a Q of 15,000 plus, but under load he had an estimated Q of 15.
Apart from that, and concerning the energy transfer technology via the earth, i expressed the concept if there is any natural frequency of the earth, that all the time tramsits considerable power and we need some kind of tuning.
This idea was rejected by Tito.
By the way, not wanting to be categorical, and judjing by your attitude, Delboy, that you speak with certain confidence have you managed to make anything extraordinary??
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Here is smaller one, you can use longitudinal receiver which is less complicated and don't use so much copper :D
By power that receivers can deliver I would sort them like this.
1. First place patent for one wire or wireless receivers 645576 and 649621
2. Second place is longitudinal receivers patent 685955 and 787412
3. Third place are receivers described in patent 685956
Let suppose that we have same transmitter like above described and we want now to use second receiver. Look at picture. Let X be only 2 meters, that means we have 1000 V waiting to be picked up :D Capacitor on receiver now can be much bigger because it does not affect resonanse and let's say it's C=100uF/1kV. If controller on receiver discharges this voltage on receiver R for about every 10ms (100Hz) than we will have power delivered P=10kW :D
Here is not problem in receiver at all. It's problem in design of good transmitter like Tesla described. There is no point in mini Tesla Coil. What is purpose of that „mini“ when it has several thousand of turns and all energy is eaten up by parasitic capacity and that what is left is radiated around in space because of very high frequency!
Mini TC can not develop high reactive power which is required to have enough voltage per length!
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@ Del Boy,
What you are saying in the last posts of yours is the condensed info of Tesla's Colorado springs notes and generally his pursue for signaling and eventually energy transmition.
The point is, nowhere Tesla mentioned that the transmited energy is less than the received. Nowhere.
On the contrary, losses he argues always occurs but to a smaller degree than using EM waves.
The activity of million horsepower, is just power! Not energy. Power in physics is very distinct from energy :) An oscillating system, can develop very large power, yet it has energy?
You will agree with me that reactive power is bigger than active?
Than why should not be that reactive energy is bigger than active? Time is running. Energy is power * time !
Tesla find out that he can use this reactive power (energy). I want to say that it is already been used by all motors in all around world. Reactive energy is what runs motor! Active is only heating and friction losses!
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Let ask Tito.I think the barebone device is crude one capacitor discharging into bifilar coil.The secondaries pickup magnetic field impulse and converting into current spikes.Part of them are feed back to charge capacitor but throught high self induction coil. The power source is 12V dead battery.Rotarry interrupter made from old car 12V DC electric fan.
KISS ;D
Tesla igniter patent
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The point is that with DC system there is no reactive power.
The same could be done with AC but it's tricky due to resonance being disturbed so you have to have at least two separated resonant circuits and break at the peak of wave (that's why 1/4 wavelength)
Anyway I maybe wrong and crazy nut don't listen to me listen to Teeto-Master-Can-Obeey
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"May the Force be with you" ;D ;D ;D
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Forest
Master Tito is the only guy here running a refrigerator off a watch battery!
Would love to see that!!
Chet
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You will agree with me that reactive power is bigger than active?
Than why should not be that reactive energy is bigger than active? Time is running. Energy is power * time !
Till to be proven, all are speculations. The point is if there is FE available, resonance of high VAR is our best bet. Also specially geometry, special receivers etc (biffilars ??) are supposed to tap that energy withou diminishing resonance.
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Hi to all.
I "feel", you all guys need to look at this site:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
I don't want take part in this discussion since my knowledge ends just on popular science. I include an excerpt from this particular page, which may catch your attention:
"CONCLUSION
To sum up: we see that by putting a big AC voltage on the tuned circuit and by adjusting its phase in relation to the tiny incoming current, we can "suck" the E x M wattage from the enormously broad wavefronts of the incoming waves. It also works this way inside a simple circuit using conventional voltage dividers: add a resonant circuit, and the series impedance of the power source behaves smaller. See this example circuit. It should still work this way even when a part of the antenna circuit contains a series capacitor whose dielectric is made up of many feet (or even tens of km) of empty space. "
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Hi to all.
I "feel", you all guys need to look at this site:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
I don't want take part in this discussion since my knowledge ends just on popular science. I include an excerpt from this particular page, which may catch your attention:
"CONCLUSION
To sum up: we see that by putting a big AC voltage on the tuned circuit and by adjusting its phase in relation to the tiny incoming current, we can "suck" the E x M wattage from the enormously broad wavefronts of the incoming waves. It also works this way inside a simple circuit using conventional voltage dividers: add a resonant circuit, and the series impedance of the power source behaves smaller. See this example circuit. It should still work this way even when a part of the antenna circuit contains a series capacitor whose dielectric is made up of many feet (or even tens of km) of empty space. "
It's not that! That is compensation and voltage divider.
What I am talking about is making true one resonant transmitter (TC) and picking up that BIG reactive power by one wire receiver so not to disturb resonance !
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Bart A the nail on the head. We know that we can build up a huge amount of reactive energy in resonant electrical system but the trillion dollar question is can this resonance be maintained with minimal dampening and still be able to do work in excess of the energy needed to maintain the oscillations. Perhaps an experiment needs to be devised which creates an rlc where the internal currents are maintained at 1000 of times the maintenance current input. Then see if there is a way to tap the 1000 fold gain without diminishing the oscillations below what is needed to maintain them when the sytem isnt doing work.
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Bart A the nail on the head. We know that we can build up a huge amount of reactive energy in resonant electrical system but the trillion dollar question is can this resonance be maintained with minimal dampening and still be able to do work in excess of the energy needed to maintain the oscillations. Perhaps an experiment needs to be devised which creates an rlc where the internal currents are maintained at 1000 of times the maintenance current input. Then see if there is a way to tap the 1000 fold gain without diminishing the oscillations below what is needed to maintain them when the sytem isnt doing work.
To maintaine resonance wit minimal losses you need good circuit controler :D
That is why Tesla perfected it so many times! He used 4 kinds of controlers till he picked right one!
Oscillation in RLC (primary) will be long if resistance R is small ! That is why controller need to be close to ideal switch ! Small resistance on close, big resistance on open. Controller runs resonance effect. Resonance effect in secondary gives rise to voltage and to current! It is series open RLC circuit, it is not standard RLC as you learned in school :D Tesla designed RLC circuit that will not overload source and yet it will give amplification for both voltage and current like standard series RLC !
How to pick up that energy? Well by one-wire receiver! Receiver see only X and nothing else, no source overload!
It is not trillion dollar question, it si maybe 10 000 dollars question :D because you need big TC as Tesla had one!
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Just to talk about transmitters and receivers, my little 5v 1a power supply I use for the 5v stuff, it puts out some power to receive.
I had an Orbonbon test going on and for some strange reason if I fiddled with the bread board or the wires, my output voltage was changing a bit. I thought it was a loos connection somewhere. Well after tearing power from everything on the board just leaving the bridge rectifier and a cap on the dc side, if I touched one of the ac side leads of the bridge, the cap starts charging, all the way to 90 some volts. I thought, NO, Cant BE.
But if I unpluged the PS, the charge faded. And this is with the power supplies wires just laying on the floor. I wasnt going to say anything of it till I get the receiver going with better results, because it is impressive now, imagine if I work on it a bit. No caps or coils for tuning. While receiving with 1, another can receive the same without diminishing the 1st. It charges fast too. Maybe this is Titos Way.
The PS is running at 500hz from what my meter says. Well, its the 3 legged bridge, gota love it. I am going to try a couple ant, 1 on each ac in but also try with a cap on 1 ant to knock it out of phase from the first and see what it pumps.
Wouldnt it be whacky if I can get some current going with this. I will have to measure the PS input current to see if the draws affect it. And it is idle with no load. The PS id a dc switching type.
But this project, found by accident, is worth looking into. Just for the nature of it. =]
Mags
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Hmmm, isn't resonance effect that gives rise to reactive power???
How big Q factor than proportinaly that big will be reactive power!
For example, if we have on primary say 3kV and primary is 1 turn and is in loose connection with secondary and primary see only few turns of secondary, for example 5 of them, and secondary have 50, giving 45 is left! Because nothing is ideal, let supose that we transfered let say 2kV to 5 turns of secondary.
That 2kV is now one NEW SOURCE of high frequency! And we have stil 45 turns left and also there is TOP-LOAD capacity! This is new RLC open circuit: SOURCE – 45 turns= INDUCTIVITY – TOP_LOAD capacity. This is important to understand. Resonance is possible in an open RLC circuit! One wire transfer!
Than if Q of secondary is for example Q=500, than under resonance this will give 500*2kV =1MV voltage of high frequency. Than you can calculate by uper formula, how big power will be., because it depends on capacity, frequency and square of voltage! Tesla build TC with relativly big diameter. You now why? Because he wanted to reduce loosses in secondary because if you have thousand of turns your voltage will be eaten up by parasitic capacity!
That's why he had only 30-50 turns in secondary but diameter was 3-15 meters which gives high induction necessary to have high Q! Tesla enlarged induction by making diameter bigger not turns! It is also square dependent!
How to collect this power without disturbing resonace? With one wire transfer (wireless)! One wire can be Earth, Air(over 5 miles high), Sea, Copper etc I must go through something. That's why I call it ONE WIRE. You first must understand pricips of one wire transfer, than talk about how Tesla drive car on some black box bla bla. You are skiping the important part in Tesla's life.
You have patents 645576 and 649621 describing transversal receiver. Receiver is reverse of TC. Or if you want logitudinal one than look at 685955.
Ask your selves, how come that bulbs are light on connection C when they are short circuit?
I recommend reading this :
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm)
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm)
BUT if thats so easy why dont we have OU tesla devices ? I mean its not beag deal to make two identical tesla coils
Elecated tapaity between them bother ends to earth ...
or we may also have 1245 recievers for example not just one , in resonance reciever is TRANSMITTER in the same time isnt it ?
so you suggest that thats all thats needed ? i mean reactive power remains in LC can it be utilised ?..
why 1/4 wavelength ? Speed of wave in the coil is NOT the same as speed of wave in transmission line.. usually Natural resonance of coil is not the same as 1/4 wirelength for wavelength ..
CAn we have more than one resonance for example LC resonance and quater wave resonance ? For example for clasic colenoid natural LC resonance is usually about double in frequency than 1/4 wirelength=wavelength .. so we can add top capacity to lower natural LC and we match 1/4 wirelength or not ? tesla does not say about that...
so of we have capacity coupled secondaries (OU is point here not wireless) so they are relative close top capacityes are relative near..
I mean is it ONLY that , question is can reactive power be converted to usable power this way ?
All in all why would we need several meter wide coil ? who cares if Q is 20 or 500 20 is good enough ..
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Here is not problem in receiver at all. It's problem in design of good transmitter like Tesla described. There is no point in mini Tesla Coil. What is purpose of that „mini“ when it has several thousand of turns and all energy is eaten up by parasitic capacity and that what is left is radiated around in space because of very high frequency!
Mini TC can not develop high reactive power which is required to have enough voltage per length!
I would not agree
why not maing reciever and transmiter ONE single device ?
we do not need wireless..
voltage can be lower to prevent arcing and pover loss
capacity can be reduced MUCH using pancake coil with wire layers not in the plate surface. or clasic smaller TC with bugger pacing between turns ?
why not 200V primary 4 turn for example and secondary is 50 turns .. max voltage will be hmm maybe 2kV to low for arcing and loss..
question is : is etheric field or torsion field or what every on EARTH planet responsible for free energy obtainable at higher frequencies or like tesla say must be low ?
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Than if Q of secondary is for example Q=500, than under resonance this will give 500*2kV =1MV voltage of high frequency. Than you can calculate by uper formula, how big power will be., because it depends on capacity, frequency and square of voltage! Tesla build TC with relativly big diameter. You now why? Because he wanted to reduce loosses in secondary because if you have thousand of turns your voltage will be eaten up by parasitic capacity!
Ask your selves, how come that bulbs are light on connection C when they are short circuit?
I recommend reading this :
Simple 30cm diameter coil about 200 turns of wire has more than 500 Q
for example 30 cm diameter 90 cm long 200 turns 2 mm wire diameter ..
188m wire 12 ohm quater wave resonance 400 khz , natural LC resonance 700khz
so TELL me how would you calculate Q factor ?
Q=1/R*squareroot(L/C)
L=3431uH
C=15pF(for example) dont know
Q= over 1200
thats NOT low AT all .. and I really dont see if your theory works than also this kind of TC also works ..
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DELBOY ;D
If you theory is correct WE REALLY DO NOT NEED TWO TESLA COILS to obtain OU or reactive power
IMAGINE THIS
WE have 5 turns coil LC primary and 5 turns coil secondary . one end of secondary is grounded, wire goes from 5 turns secondary to QUATER wave= wire length magnifier coil .
At the bottom of magnifier is 5 turns LC reciever low turn coil..
thats IT
reciever 5 turns coil is NOT in magnetic field of primary 5 turns coil. many turn magnifier is FREE away from primary , and 5 turns reciever does not affect resonance = loose coupled..
DO WE AT ALL NEED QUATER WAVE for wire length here ?? cause we DONT need antenna we dont need wireless transmission here !!!
just ALL LC resonances must match !!!
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Grizly Said:
I would not agree
why not maing reciever and transmiter ONE single device ?
we do not need wireless..
voltage can be lower to prevent arcing and pover loss
capacity can be reduced MUCH using pancake with wire layers not in the plate surface. or clasic smaller TC with bugger pacing between turns ?
why not 200V primary 4 turn for example and secondary is 50 turns .. max voltage will be hmm maybe 2kV to for arcing and loss..
question is : is etheric field or torsion field or what every on EARTH planet responsible for free energy obtainable at higher frequencies or like tesla say must be low ?
A little experimentation and you will see your major error you make. I least i saw mine trying to replicate Don Smith's setups..
it all boils down to - in order to get considerable resonance you need small capacity that is located at free terminal (not intercoil capacitance) and large inductunce. No 20 turns ect -
Try your view in an experimental setup and YOU WILL COME to my words.
Cya
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A little experimentation and you will see your major error you make. I least i saw mine trying to replicate Don Smith's setups..
it all boils down to - in order to get considerable resonance you need small capacity that is located at free terminal (not intercoil capacitance) and large inductunce. No 20 turns ect -
Try your view in an experimental setup and YOU WILL COME to my words.
Cya
Q is proportional to square root of (L/C) RIGHT.... but all in all why would we want 1000Q if we can make good OU device with 10 ?
what were your experimentational results ?
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Tesla (1901) :
...my next step was to use the earth itself as the medium for conducting the currents, thus dispensing with wires and all other artificial conductors. So I was led to the development of a system of energy transmission and of telegraphy without the use of wires, which I described in 1893. The difficulties I encountered at first in the transmission of currents through the earth were very great. At that time I had at hand only ordinary apparatus, which I found to be ineffective, and I concentrated my attention immediately upon perfecting machines for this special purpose. This work consumed a number of years, but I finally vanquished all difficulties and succeeded in producing a machine which, to explain its operation in plain language, resembled a pump in its action, drawing electricity from the earth and driving it back into the same at an enormous rate, thus creating ripples or disturbances which, spreading through the earth as through a wire, could be detected at great distances by carefully attuned receiving circuits. In this manner I was able to transmit to a distance, not only feeble effects for the purposes of signaling, but considerable amounts of energy, and later discoveries I made convinced me that I shall ultimately succeed in conveying power without wires, for industrial purposes, with high economy, and to any distance, however great.
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Link please !
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http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1901-02-09.htm
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Hey Delboy. Good to see you back. =]
I wonder if Teslas transmission of power through the earth was just normal in all other ways like power lines.
Like would each reciever added to the system(earth) put more drain on the transmitter? And if nobody was using power, would the transmitter still be pushing out the power and it be wasted? These things would still make it logical to just run wires as to get everyone to pay for the production of power, or do the receivers have usage meters.
And could it be known, from the earth, whether power is being used or not in order to not waste power in production.
Thanks for the tidbit Delboy.
Mags
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...Now, there is a vast difference between these two, the electromagnetic and current energies. That A which goes out in the form of rays, is, as I have indicated here, unrecoverable, hopelessly lost. You can operate a little instrument by catching a billionth part of it but, except this, all goes out into space never to return. This other energy, however, of the current in the globe, is stored and completely recoverable. Theoretically, it does not take much effort to maintain the earth in electrical vibration. I have, in fact, worked out a plant of 10,000 horse-power which would operate with no bigger loss than 1 percent of the whole power applied; that is, with the exception of the frictional energy that is consumed in the rotation of the engines and the heating of the conductors, I would not lose more than 1 percent. In other words, if I have a 10,000 horsepower plant, it would take only 100 horsepower to keep the earth vibrating so long as there is no energy taken out at any other place
...Suppose that the earth were an elastic bag filled with water. My transmitter is equivalent to a pump. I put it on a point of the globe, and work my little piston so as to create a disturbance of that water. If the piston moves slowly, so that the time is long enough for the disturbance to spread over the globe, then what will be the result of my working this pump? The result will be that the bag will expand and contract rhythmically with the motions of the piston, you see. So that, at any point of that bag, there will be a rhythmical movement due to the pulsations of the pump.
That is only, however, when the period is long. If I were to work this pump very rapidly, then I would create impulses, and the ripples would spread in circles over the surface of the globe. The globe will no longer expand and contract in its entirety, but it will be subject to these outgoing, rippling waves.
Remember, now, that the water is incompressible, that the bag is perfectly elastic, that there are no hysteretic losses in the bag due to these expansions and contractions; and remember also, that there is a vacuum, in infinite space, so that the energy cannot be lost in waves of sound. Then, if I put at a distant point another little pump, and tune it to the rhythmical pulses of the pump at the central plant, I will excite strong vibrations and will recover power from them, sufficient to operate a receiver. But, if I have no pump there to receive these oscillations, if there is nowhere a place where this elastic energy is transferred into frictional energy (we always use in our devices frictional energy -- everything is lost through friction), then there is no loss, and if I have a plant of 1,000 horsepower and I operate it to full capacity, that plant does not take power, it runs idle, exactly as the plant at Niagara. If I do not put any motors or any lamps on the circuit, the plant runs idle. There is a 5,000 horsepower turbine going, but no power is supplied to the turbine except such power as is necessary to overcome the frictional losses.
Now the vast difference between the scheme of radio engineers and my scheme is this. If you generate electromagnetic waves with a plant of 1,000 horsepower, you are using 1,000 horsepower right along -- whether there is any receiving being done or not. You have to supply this 1,000 horsepower, exactly as you have to supply coal to keep your stove going, or else no heat goes out. That is the vast difference. In my case, I conserve the energy; in the other case, the energy is all lost.
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...Now, there is a vast difference between these two, the electromagnetic and current energies. That A which goes out in the form of rays, is, as I have indicated here, unrecoverable, hopelessly lost. You can operate a little instrument by catching a billionth part of it but, except this, all goes out into space never to return. This other energy, however, of the current in the globe, is stored and completely recoverable. Theoretically, it does not take much effort to maintain the earth in electrical vibration. I have, in fact, worked out a plant of 10,000 horse-power which would operate with no bigger loss than 1 percent of the whole power applied; that is, with the exception of the frictional energy that is consumed in the rotation of the engines and the heating of the conductors, I would not lose more than 1 percent. In other words, if I have a 10,000 horsepower plant, it would take only 100 horsepower to keep the earth vibrating so long as there is no energy taken out at any other place
...Suppose that the earth were an elastic bag filled with water. My transmitter is equivalent to a pump. I put it on a point of the globe, and work my little piston so as to create a disturbance of that water. If the piston moves slowly, so that the time is long enough for the disturbance to spread over the globe, then what will be the result of my working this pump? The result will be that the bag will expand and contract rhythmically with the motions of the piston, you see. So that, at any point of that bag, there will be a rhythmical movement due to the pulsations of the pump.
That is only, however, when the period is long. If I were to work this pump very rapidly, then I would create impulses, and the ripples would spread in circles over the surface of the globe. The globe will no longer expand and contract in its entirety, but it will be subject to these outgoing, rippling waves.
Remember, now, that the water is incompressible, that the bag is perfectly elastic, that there are no hysteretic losses in the bag due to these expansions and contractions; and remember also, that there is a vacuum, in infinite space, so that the energy cannot be lost in waves of sound. Then, if I put at a distant point another little pump, and tune it to the rhythmical pulses of the pump at the central plant, I will excite strong vibrations and will recover power from them, sufficient to operate a receiver. But, if I have no pump there to receive these oscillations, if there is nowhere a place where this elastic energy is transferred into frictional energy (we always use in our devices frictional energy -- everything is lost through friction), then there is no loss, and if I have a plant of 1,000 horsepower and I operate it to full capacity, that plant does not take power, it runs idle, exactly as the plant at Niagara. If I do not put any motors or any lamps on the circuit, the plant runs idle. There is a 5,000 horsepower turbine going, but no power is supplied to the turbine except such power as is necessary to overcome the frictional losses.
Now the vast difference between the scheme of radio engineers and my scheme is this. If you generate electromagnetic waves with a plant of 1,000 horsepower, you are using 1,000 horsepower right along -- whether there is any receiving being done or not. You have to supply this 1,000 horsepower, exactly as you have to supply coal to keep your stove going, or else no heat goes out. That is the vast difference. In my case, I conserve the energy; in the other case, the energy is all lost.
I see now that Tesla words can be deciphered in two ways :
- standard : Earth is metallic ball like conductor, any current generated in power plant is passed by conduction and fully recoverable , in opposite to EM radiation
- new look: Earth by magnetic field is connected to the "wheelwork of nature" and any power plant generating current passed to Earth is a disturbance of that field/connection, the receiver is then only transductor while energy source is Earth magnetic field and beyond
"Then, if I put at a distant point another little pump, and tune it to the rhythmical pulses of the pump at the central plant, I will excite strong vibrations and will recover power from them, sufficient to operate a receiver."
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There is one sentence Tesla wrote that may shed some light if the receivers consume or does not consume from the plant he keeps the Earth in vibration with:
In other words, if I have a 10,000 horsepower plant, it would take only 100 horsepower to keep the earth vibrating so long as there is no energy taken out at any other place.
How did he mean it? if I take out energy from the vibration by my receivers, then I have to supply more at my transmitter site to make up for it?
My present understanding is that I have to...
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[See Nikola Tesla: Colorado Springs Notes, page 324, Photograph III.]
FIG. 6. PHOTOGRAPHIC VIEW OF THE ESSENTIAL PARTS OF THE ELECTRICAL OSCILLATOR USED IN THE EXPERIMENTS DESCRIBED
I had arrived at the limit of rates obtainable in other ways when the happy idea presented itself to me to resort to the condenser. I arranged such an instrument so as to be charged and discharged alternately in rapid succession through a coil with a few turns of stout wire, forming the primary of a transformer or induction-coil. Each time the condenser was discharged the current would quiver in the primary wire and induce corresponding oscillations in the secondary. Thus a transformer or induction-coil on new principles was evolved, which I have called "the electrical oscillator," partaking of those unique qualities which characterize the condenser, and enabling results to be attained impossible by other means. Electrical effects of any desired character and of intensities undreamed of before are now easily producible by perfected apparatus of this kind, to which frequent reference has been made, and the essential parts of which are shown in Fig. 6. For certain purposes a strong inductive effect is required; for others the greatest possible suddenness; for others again, an exceptionally high rate of vibration or extreme pressure; while for certain other objects immense electrical movements are necessary. The photographs in Figs. 7, 8, 9, and 10, of experiments performed with such an oscillator, may serve to illustrate some of these features and convey an idea of the magnitude of the effects actually produced. The completeness of the titles of the figures referred to makes a further description of them unnecessary.
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There is one sentence Tesla wrote that may shed some light if the receivers consume or does not consume from the plant he keeps the Earth in vibration with:
In other words, if I have a 10,000 horsepower plant, it would take only 100 horsepower to keep the earth vibrating so long as there is no energy taken out at any other place.
How did he mean it? if I take out energy from the vibration by my receivers, then I have to supply more at my transmitter site to make up for it?
My present understanding is that I have to...
Too much speculation has been done about Tesla's saying etc. IMO from my half year involvement in Tesla technology i can safely states that Tesla was one of the most punctual scietists i know.
What he says it is literaly, what he means.
IMO plain LC resonance is a good tool for a number of purposes. I believe it has no OU potential in it. We must accept that profund truth and proceed our investigations.
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You don't understand. Something can be static like a mount or steady state like waterfall. Both can pass disturbance in the same manner, but only the second has hidden and usable potential.
If magnetic field is static then our hope is in vain but if it's steady state then we have a possibility to extract energy from disturbance and that energy is not going from initial power source.
if Earth magnetic field is part of wheelwork of nature then we will can disturb it and exatract energy not from source power plant but from ambient source.
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I agree with Barth. regarding overunity.
Tesla is talking about allmost 100% efficiency which I think is amazing.
Whatever you put in the sistem remains there and performs work.
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A is neither created nor destroyed but it can be focused or magnified. The below diagram takes a thermodynamic flow from hot to cold and changes it to oscillating mass movement. The energy flow through the system is unidirectional but the effect on mass is not. The gas valve in this diagram could be operated at very high frequency allowing for an alternating flow of the liquid driven by a unidirectional flow of energy. By capturing the head pressure in the cold resevoir we double the efficiency of the system. If the liquid just went through the turbine and then was released to the atmosphere the return stroke work would not be performed.
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Sure this is super obvious and I'm singing to the choir, but the reason devices like the magnifying transmitter will never be allowed to surface is simple: it would completely change the entire world's socioeconomic structure, enabling cheap desalinization of seawater, irrigation of crops, and the lifting of the "third world" to equal status. Not to sound like your typical whiny econuts, but big oil, big power, big auto, and big government have absolutely no reason to allow such equality. Today's world structure is completely derived from darwinian economics... the strong can exploit the weak because they are stronger than the weak, obviously either God or Nature intended for them to be the inheritor of the earth, and the rest of us are only incidental rejects, only of use for exploitation and labor. k wow that was sorta preachy. Sorry. Power to the People! Viva Tesla!
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There is one sentence Tesla wrote that may shed some light if the receivers consume or does not consume from the plant he keeps the Earth in vibration with:
In other words, if I have a 10,000 horsepower plant, it would take only 100 horsepower to keep the earth vibrating so long as there is no energy taken out at any other place.
How did he mean it? if I take out energy from the vibration by my receivers, then I have to supply more at my transmitter site to make up for it?
My present understanding is that I have to...
You don't understand it do you? Plant of 10 000 horse power (or 7,5MW) is power in secondary of TC because that is output from plant! You have minimum and maximum available power in secondary of TC. Tesla is talking that you have to design your TC that it will be able to give at least 100 horse power, so to keep Earth in vibration! If you connect receivers , TC will automaticaly self-adjust to give more energy.
Tesla used bigger coils with bigger wire diameter and bigger coil diameter, that is why he had so big available energy. Just go and calculate your small TC, be happy if you get 100 horse power to keep Earth in vibration :D
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You don't understand it do you? Plant of 10 000 horse power (or 7,5MW) is power in secondary of TC because that is output from plant! You have minimum and maximum available power in secondary of TC. Tesla is talking that you have to design your TC that it will be able to give at least 100 horse power, so to keep Earth in vibration! If you connect receivers , TC will automaticaly self-adjust to give more energy.
Tesla used bigger coils with bigger wire diameter and bigger coil diameter, that is why he had so big available energy. Just go and calculate your small TC, be happy if you get 100 horse power to keep Earth in vibration :D
Hi Delboy,
Thanks for returning to this topic. I understood it because I also wrote I had to supply more power to the transmitter (i.e. TC) if somewhere on Earth receivers were switched on to tap the Earth vibration.
You wrote (I made in bold letters above) if energy is received i.e. taken from the vibration, then the TC will give automatically more energy.
Now please explain where this more energy comes from? Do I have to pump it into the TC so that it should make up for the Earth vibrational energy tapped by the receivers? The more receivers are in operation, the more input energy I have to enter into the TC?
This is the question I have not found an answer from Tesla's writings.
Thanks, Gyula
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Hi Delboy,
Thanks for returning to this topic. I understood it because I also wrote I had to supply more power to the transmitter (i.e. TC) if somewhere on Earth receivers were switched on to tap the Earth vibration.
You wrote (I made in bold letters above) if energy is received i.e. taken from the vibration, then the TC will give automatically more energy.
Now please explain where this more energy comes from? Do I have to pump it into the TC so that it should make up for the Earth vibrational energy tapped by the receivers? The more receivers are in operation, the more input energy I have to enter into the TC?
This is the question I have not found an answer from Tesla's writings.
Thanks, Gyula
Hey Gyula,
Tesla said that current energy is not wasted like radio waves, it is accumulated! That it same thing like electron paradox, electron is constantly radiating electric field with speed of light, so where the hell is getting energy from? Tesla made TC so he could accumulate this energy to some max level, depending on circuit design. Just look how his receivers work, they are not source-load dependent like clasical circuit, it is longitudinal design, they do not disturb resonance effect, you have not even read it :(
TC is like electric field pump, it is making electrons move in all directions from place where ground connection is (about 50kHz) and high voltage is because you want high voltage per 1 meter of length! See the connection of receivers. Both plates on receiver are connected into the ground! and condenser is charged by some switches and discharged into load!
You asked about overunity , let me tell you that it is based on amplification factor in secondar, Q factor! You are inputing 100 kW from primary, transfer to secondary 95 kW (standaard loosses in every transfomer), you are inputing 50kV , and geting 45kV and that 45 is amplified Q times , it can be that Q=100, you will get 4,5 MV. Power will be much bigger, P=C*F*U*U
C=capacity of top-load of TC, F= resonant frequency of secondary, and U = max voltage on secondary, for example let it be C=100pF, F=50kHz, and U = 4,5MV oscilating power will be about 10MW ! For this design you will have about 3000 V/m !
Amplification comes from open RLC circuit resonance. I need big oscillating power, big oscilating E field that will disturb electrons in ground and create enogh voltage per meter to pick it up by receiver longitudinaly so not to disturb resonance effect in transmitter. I do not know better explanation :D
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Hi Loner and Delboy,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I think now I got closer in understanding what delboy wrote, especially that I have now read Tesla's patent 787412 ( http://www.google.com/patents?vid=787412 ). With the transmitter he created stationary waves in the Earth, used quarter wave resonance in the TC which -together with its small losses (high Q)- amplified the primary input power and with this huge reactive power he excited the Earth.
Tapping the stationary waves with the receiving antennas why did not disturb the transmitter power input remains to be understood, this is due to the longitudinal nature of standing waves as delboy said.
Tesla wrote the wavelength of the output frequency determines how often the standing waves would repeat their peaks and valleys alongside the Earth surface and positioning the receiver coils to the correct places would need to be determined. He also wrote that in the receiving apparatus described in that patent a certain D cylinder should rotate in syncronism with the generator frequency.
Thanks, Gyula
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Hi everybody,
To understand TC you have to admit that there is some amplification going on. In standard closed RLC circuit there is amplification in resonance, you can even calculate it how big it is, energy is bouncing back and forth between L and C , but you can not use it on ordinary way, because as soon as you atach your load (serial or parallel) you are killing the resonance effect, and no more amplification!
In open RLC there is still amplification going on, but this time huge reactive energy is used to bounce electrons in Earth, and to create enough high voltage per length, to pick it up by receiver.
How to pick it up? Well Tesla said that there are receivers and one of them is transversal and one is longitudinal. First one would be for industrial purpose and second one for home use.
To better understand voltage per length, think about this, in our electric network there is voltage for example 380kV but frequency is so low (50Hz) that voltage per length is only 0,25V/m but Tesla recommended higher frequency about 50kHz (and not 1MHz because radiation) so if you have 380kV on TC with 50kHz you will have 250 V/m and that is enough for receiver.
If you go step further, you have 250V, 50KHz as source for load, think about that for example how big capacitor you need to filter that to get pure DC?? Yes, very small one for example 50uF, no more 10000uF :D Tesla always runned away from big expensive capacitors!
Thanks
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Hi everybody,
To understand TC you have to admit that there is some amplification going on. In standard closed RLC circuit there is amplification in resonance, you can even calculate it how big it is, energy is bouncing back and forth between L and C , but you can not use it on ordinary way, because as soon as you atach your load (serial or parallel) you are killing the resonance effect, and no more amplification!
In open RLC there is still amplification going on, but this time huge reactive energy is used to bounce electrons in Earth, and to create enough high voltage per length, to pick it up by receiver.
How to pick it up? Well Tesla said that there are receivers and one of them is transversal and one is longitudinal. First one would be for industrial purpose and second one for home use.
To better understand voltage per length, think about this, in our electric network there is voltage for example 380kV but frequency is so low (50Hz) that voltage per length is only 0,25V/m but Tesla recommended higher frequency about 50kHz (and not 1MHz because radiation) so if you have 380kV on TC with 50kHz you will have 250 V/m and that is enough for receiver.
If you go step further, you have 250V, 50KHz as source for load, think about that for example how big capacitor you need to filter that to get pure DC?? Yes, very small one for example 50uF, no more 10000uF :D Tesla always runned away from big expensive capacitors!
Thanks
Yes! and small caps are very much faster to energize.
;D
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hi everyone!.......a question about his magnifying transmitter...i read that in his diary, he noted that he saw distortions, dark bands etc. after using his transmitter....does anyone know if any photographs exist of those things that he was seeing?......the reason i ask is that i have built a device that i believe emits that very same thing except without the high voltage, well without any voltage....i have a thread in the half baked section,a new kind of visible radiant energy?.....you might want to check out.. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9603.msg252795#msg252795 thanks for letting me post....david
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Can you explain how can it self adjust?
Thanks
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I have a quick question about Tesla Coils:
Does twisted wire like you have in lamp cord or speaker wire work well for a Tesla Coil, or flat Tesla Transformer?
All the diagrams I see always use solid magnet wire, but I have lots of twisted wire on hand.
Speaker wire is readily available in all electronic stores, but single strand magnet wire is usually only available
if you order it online from somewhere.
It would be nice to see a link to a Tesla Coil that is working well and uses twisted wire for the secondary.
I do know people like to avoid using it because it is harder to fit stranded wire into inductance formulas.
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Hey guys. I am new to this board and this very long thread, and must admit I am only on page 24 so far, so if this has already been addressed, my apologies.
Anyone hear have a music background? Think in Octaves ;-)
The extra coil that Tesla talks about provides an induced feedback loop (rather than adding power he is adding potential) to the primary coil which in turn drives harder into the secondary coil. Resonance and exponential amplification can only occur in a system with a feedback loop. The bifilar of the secondary provides feedback to to the secondary which boosts that coils output potential as more and more load is added the coil drives the feedback loop (extra coil) back into the primary which amplifies the flow into the secondary. The only limitations in this system are hardware (should be cold, so I question this one) and the electrical potential of the vacuum.
IMO the magnets perpendicular to the spark gap provide 3 functions:
1. to entrain the spark to travel a straight path (shortest path) across the gap
2. to cause the spark to collapse faster
3. to square the waveform.
I have a quick question for any of you who may know... His early coils, and even some of his secondary coils on tesla coils were not pancakes but were cones (as seen by figure 2 in the attached pdf). Has anyone worked with nested cones at all?
Cheers!
PP
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If any of that made sense. <hangs head>
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There is WAY too much in my head.
Also, pay attention to the lengths of wire and number of turns that Tesla uses. In harmonics this is incredibly important, although from what I can tell his system should be self correcting. I am sure the golden ratio is all over his work, though. :-D
PP
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If power is leached from the load and rectified and fed back into the initial circuit an antenna should not be needed. Once initially charged the circuit should run perpetually and only need outside power if the circuit fails. This could easily be provided by a small battery, crank magneto, antenna and RF coil or the list goes on and on. I think this is also the hidden secret behind his electric car. The two rods he put through the top of the box would have been the ferrite cores for the primary and charging coils.
I hope this is not a dead thread. Looking forward to comments... er, I mean feedback ;-)
PP
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I worked with cone in cone device ;-) but I have no pure sinewave inverter giving at least 100W so it must wait for better times. Maybe I will try with crude inverter but the radio hash generated would be detrimental to any effect and create hazard for health.
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Hey Pete
I like what your sayin. Do you have any references to Teslas work on this?
Thanks
Mags
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Don't know if you guys have seen this video but it is definitely worth a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFaSGg_efY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFaSGg_efY)
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Actually we can do it using small any source, but antenna is more better in the sense that we can lessen the module ok. hope you understand.
ps. why moray still needs an antenna, inspite of producing a lot of energy? think of that ok.
Please decode this one.
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hi mags
ok, currently i only have 1000 watts inverter because that is all i can afford now, my source is an antenna, i'm using #### stage amplification, using a lot of transformer that are readily available in the market cause i'm too lazy to wind ok, the many the transformer the higher inverter watts you have is the power you can produce its unlimited ok. a half meter by a half meter is enough for the space for a thousand watts.
i think this is my last post. i am not anymore interested in this forum ok
i'll just be watching from now on ok.
ps: no noise ok i've solved that by putting it inside of an aquarium funny but effective, i think oil is much better ;D
did you see an aquarium based on oil. lol hahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D
Please decode this one.
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I think if we take little impulses and put them into a resonant tank each little impulse is stored in the tank. It does not leave this machine. The whole tank is an energy storer upper. Proper phasing of the input is critical. This way a very small charge driven current can soon become a very powerful current INSIDE THE OSCILLATOR.
If the lower frequency output from the tank is imposed on a tank that recognises the lowerfrequency discharge as an impulse then this second stage oscillator does what the first one did. Pretty soon you can have such a lowfrequency high amplitude output that it starts to look like a flat wave and your bias level is way up there. Like thousands of volts overground up there.
Dear Mr Spark and other respected members,
Just in case you are still on the forum. Can you please post such a circuit which can self oscillate and via feedback mechanism to the antenna, it can increase the amplitude many times.
Can we use a Bazooka antenna used by ham radio operators to harvest the 5000 hz hiss at low altitudes always present in the atmosphere ?
Very many thanks in advance.
---- Mr. Teslonian