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Author Topic: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)  (Read 301683 times)

delboy

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #495 on: March 01, 2010, 02:18:04 PM »
For better understanding you must see it from Tesla point of view!
He had secondary coil of several meters wide. Why we don't make them like that?
He sad it should be low frequency (50kHz) and we use several hundrets and even MHz, why that?
TC must be designed in proper dimensions and that dictates our planet Earth!
TC is not designed to be spark device, for producing sparks, that is silly. Tesla produced sparks just to see how big voltage is developed in secondary and to see is it near resonanse, nothing else. In normal operation it should be no sparks. They are bad, they are big losses. Thats why he in first place runned away from spark gap to brushes! What for then high voltage? Because you want big current displacment. That electricity on TOP-LOAD have frequency of 50kHz, for example, and TC is grounded, that means it is generating picture of electricity in ground of oposity sign that is to say it is creating disturbances. You generated voltage per length in Earth, all you need is receiver to collect it properly! And who said that it must be Earth and it must be grounded? It can be connected with copper cable, and it will work, just you are now creating voltage per length in copper cable, and that is it.
Please read and re-read the patent 685955 to understand how longitudinal receiver works. It works on logitudinal voltage!
For example in our electrical network we have high voltage but we don't have high frequency, that is problem! Let say that voltage is 400kV / 50Hz If we calculate quater of wave that gives us 1 500 000 meters, that means we will have only 400 000/ 1500 000 =0,26 V/m and that is so small.
Let's calculate for TeslaCoil. Let we have also 400kV in secondary but this time 50kHz which gives quater of wave to be only 1500 m and voltage per meter will be: 400000/1500=266V/m You see, only on one meter we will have 266 V, enough to operate receiver !
Distribution of longitudinal voltage is not linear, but next time about that :D
If anybody understasnd what I'm talking about :D

Magluvin

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #496 on: March 01, 2010, 03:19:45 PM »
Delboy, this is all killer stuf!  killer = good  =]

So the length of copper wire, used instead of earth, will act like a piano string that resonates at 50khz? But it will be the length of the wire that determines the freq. instead of tightening the piano strings to tune.

Is this correct?  =]

So this is the new portable reservoir, no ground needed. Just the length of wire for the wave to compress and decompress current to provide a reservoir of electrons to work with in the circuit. Like the earth ground wire on a crystal radio.  I had Radio Shack electronics kits when I was 8yrs old. the amount that I learned from that, I has that figured out then by using a piece of copper pipe instead, so now I was mobile with the crystal radio. Till now, I never thought of using it any other way. Very cool and absolutely a possibility 100%.

So Tesla's setups were so big because he tuned to the earths vibration which would be like the low note on the piano.

Thanks Delboy 


magluvin

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #497 on: March 01, 2010, 03:36:40 PM »
delboy,
Seems to me your talking about creating a "window of opportunity"?

Also seems like you Know what your talking about!
[making a lot of sense]

You have the floor!!

Thanks
Chet


delboy

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #498 on: March 01, 2010, 06:38:13 PM »
Delboy, this is all killer stuf!  killer = good  =]

So the length of A, used instead of earth, will act like a piano string that resonates at 50khz? But it will be the length of the wire that determines the freq. instead of tightening the piano strings to tune.

Is this correct?  =]

Thanks Delboy 

magluvin
First, length of copper wire for secondary will determine what frequency you will have to use, because it should be quater of wave. And second, the length of copper wire between transmitter and receiver can be what ever you want :D
You tune the transmitter and receiver to desired frequency.
Let me give an example of transfer of energy between transmitter and receiver.
We will use 50kHz range or about that, that means length of secondary wire will be around 1500m. We will not use so thin wires like you used to do, because Tesla used cable AWG No8, we will use let say copper wire diameter 2,3mm that gives us only 6,6 Ohms for length of 1500 meters.
If we use diameter of 10meters for secondary, we will first of all calculate the primary inductivity. For that size one turn primary will have 40uH and if we put standard capacitor of 0,22uF like primary capacity we get resonant frequency of 53,65kHz. From this data we calculate that length of secondary will be 1400m, and will be wounded about 45 turns on 10 meters wide body.
That gives secondary inductivity will be around 500mH ! And can be adjusted by spacing between turns (height of coil). For a such big inductivity we will need only 20pF secondary capacity to achieve resonanse efect. Q factor for such high frequency and high inductivity and small resistance will be over 10 000  :D
Let's say that we have regulating inductivity in primary, and we set resonanse so that on secondar is voltage of 1MV.
Now let it transmitter be connected to receiver designed on the same principle but reversly. Receiver primary will be 1400m and his secondar will be one turn cable giving length of 31 meters.
We can calculate voltage per length of copper wire. It will be about 700 V/m. Let suppose that because losses and other we get in receiver available only 500 V/m that means for length of 31meter voltage on receiver secondary will be about 15kV.
The frequency is also 53kHz that gives power on primary capacitor : P=2,6 MW :D
We discharge this capacitor on load over controler with speed that we regulate. By the process in receiver, capacitor is charged and discharged in less than 20us because of high frequency and with controler we discharge it for example every 1ms on standard output transformer to have properly output.
For a such low frequency of discharge, power available for output will be P=50kW and max available is over 2 MW. Like you have generator of 15kV/53kHz which can give 100A :D You just connect another output transformer or light bulbs or similar devices, parallel to capacity in receiver.
You transform high voltage high current into small voltage and even bigger current :D
That is point of patent 462418 electrical conversion and distribution. That is beauty of Tesla's system. He wanted to power whole town with only one TC. How come that we can not power only our home?
I input only 1kW to run controller and 1kW from input transformer and 1kW to run controller in receiver and that is all 3kW only. And I get 50kW with one transformer or 50 kW with 10 times 5kW transformer :D whatever design I use in receiver I will get more output than I input :D

forest

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #499 on: March 01, 2010, 07:05:14 PM »
delboy,please look at Kapanadze video and tell me how he created 5kW from 12V car battery (plus inverter), because his device is smaller then 1/10 of your proposed cicuit  :o

forest

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #500 on: March 01, 2010, 07:06:54 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK-G5srFKYU&feature=related


Kapanadze video (the best one). Very informative.

baroutologos

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Tesla's technology as I read it from Colorado Springs
« Reply #501 on: March 01, 2010, 07:48:27 PM »
@ Del Boy,

What you are saying in the last posts of yours is the condensed info of Tesla's Colorado springs notes and generally his pursue for signaling and eventually energy transmition.

The point is, nowhere Tesla mentioned that the transmited energy is less than the received. Nowhere.
On the contrary, losses he argues always occurs but to a smaller degree than using EM waves.

The activity of million horsepower, is just power! Not energy. Power in physics is very distinct from energy :) An oscillating system, can develop very large power, yet it has energy?

In my examination of the Colorado springs notes, the only nebulous and potentialy a lead (for me) discovery of Tesla was that his extra coil, when connected to ground (whereas his primary oscillator was nearby and working being grounded also), he managed to attain resonance and lighted some lamps.

He made the ascertation that he could "tap" a portion of that resonance (about 1% and much more...) without spoiling the effect. particularly, his coil had a Q of 15,000 plus, but under load he had an estimated Q of 15.

Apart from that, and concerning the energy transfer technology via the earth, i expressed the concept if there is any natural frequency of the earth, that all the time tramsits considerable power and we need some kind of tuning.
This idea was rejected by Tito.

By the way, not wanting to be categorical, and judjing by your attitude, Delboy, that you speak with certain confidence have you managed to make anything extraordinary??



delboy

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #502 on: March 01, 2010, 07:53:49 PM »
Here is smaller one, you can use longitudinal receiver which is less complicated and don't use so much copper :D
By power that receivers can deliver I would sort them like this.
1.   First place patent for one wire or wireless receivers 645576 and 649621
2.   Second place is longitudinal receivers patent 685955 and 787412
3.   Third place are receivers described in patent 685956
 
Let suppose that we have same transmitter like above described and we want now to use second receiver. Look at picture. Let X be only 2 meters, that means we have 1000 V waiting to be picked up :D Capacitor on receiver now can be much bigger because it does not affect resonanse and let's say it's C=100uF/1kV. If controller on receiver discharges this voltage on receiver R for about every 10ms (100Hz) than we will have power delivered P=10kW :D

Here is not problem in receiver at all. It's problem in design of good transmitter like Tesla described. There is no point in mini Tesla Coil. What is purpose of that „mini“ when it has several thousand of turns and all energy is eaten up by parasitic capacity and that what is left is radiated around in space because of very high frequency!
Mini TC can not develop high reactive power which is required to have enough voltage per length!

delboy

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Re: Tesla's technology as I read it from Colorado Springs
« Reply #503 on: March 01, 2010, 08:14:31 PM »
@ Del Boy,

What you are saying in the last posts of yours is the condensed info of Tesla's Colorado springs notes and generally his pursue for signaling and eventually energy transmition.

The point is, nowhere Tesla mentioned that the transmited energy is less than the received. Nowhere.
On the contrary, losses he argues always occurs but to a smaller degree than using EM waves.

The activity of million horsepower, is just power! Not energy. Power in physics is very distinct from energy :) An oscillating system, can develop very large power, yet it has energy?
You will agree with me that reactive power is bigger than active?
Than why should not be that reactive energy is bigger than active? Time is running. Energy is power * time !
Tesla find out that he can use this reactive power (energy). I want to say that it is already been used by all motors in all around world. Reactive energy is what runs motor! Active is only heating and friction losses!

forest

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #504 on: March 01, 2010, 08:22:11 PM »
Let ask Tito.I think the barebone device is crude one capacitor discharging into bifilar coil.The secondaries pickup magnetic field impulse and converting into current spikes.Part of them are feed back to charge capacitor but throught high self induction coil. The power source is 12V dead battery.Rotarry interrupter made from old car 12V DC electric fan.
KISS  ;D

Tesla igniter patent

forest

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #505 on: March 01, 2010, 08:29:56 PM »
The point is that with DC system there is no reactive power.
The same could be done with AC but it's tricky due to resonance being disturbed so you have to have at least two separated resonant circuits and break at the peak of wave (that's why 1/4 wavelength)
Anyway I maybe wrong and crazy nut don't listen to me listen to Teeto-Master-Can-Obeey

forest

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #506 on: March 01, 2010, 08:30:59 PM »
 "May the Force be with you"  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #507 on: March 01, 2010, 08:56:31 PM »
Forest
Master Tito is the only guy here running a refrigerator off a watch battery!

Would love to see that!!

Chet

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Re: Tesla's technology as I read it from Colorado Springs
« Reply #508 on: March 01, 2010, 10:07:30 PM »
You will agree with me that reactive power is bigger than active?
Than why should not be that reactive energy is bigger than active? Time is running. Energy is power * time !

Till to be proven, all are speculations. The point is if there is FE available, resonance of high VAR is our best bet. Also specially geometry, special receivers etc (biffilars ??) are supposed to tap that energy withou diminishing resonance.

Qwert

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #509 on: March 02, 2010, 04:17:11 AM »
Hi to all.
I "feel", you all guys need to look at this site:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
I don't want take part in this discussion since my knowledge ends just on popular science. I include an excerpt from this particular page, which may catch your attention:
"CONCLUSION
To sum up: we see that by putting a big AC voltage on the tuned circuit and by adjusting its phase in relation to the tiny incoming current, we can "suck" the E x M wattage from the enormously broad wavefronts of the incoming waves. It also works this way inside a simple circuit using conventional voltage dividers: add a resonant circuit, and the series impedance of the power source behaves smaller. See this example circuit. It should still work this way even when a part of the antenna circuit contains a series capacitor whose dielectric is made up of many feet (or even tens of km) of empty space. "