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Author Topic: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)  (Read 260067 times)

Offline angryScientist

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2009, 06:46:23 AM »

So the drum of insulation only increases the self capacitance of the extra coil slightly at low frequencies. At high frequencies, "if the points of maximum pressure should be shifted below the terminal D" then dielectric effects differ and the self capacitance of the coil increases dramatically. The coil could effectively be change from a coil to a capacitor.


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The coil B is wound on a frame of drum D1 of insulating material, with its turns close together. I have discovered that when so wound the effect of the small radius of curvature of the wire itself is overcome and the coil behaves as a conductor of large radius of curvature, corresponding to the at of the drum. This feature is of considerable  practical importance and is  applicable not only in this special instance but generally.


With the ability to change the phase a high power signal I could imagine all sorts of possibilities. With two frequencies the beat freq. could be completely changed. Maybe even some DC pumping action.


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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2009, 07:11:07 AM »
Sorry, I almost forgot.

I watch the second half of this short video. It changed my way of thinking a little bit.

MIT Physics Demo -- Dissectible Capacitor (2:55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg


Offline sparks

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2009, 07:21:33 AM »
  I believe what Tesla is saying is that even though the wiregauge is real small the whole coil itself resistance wise acts as a conductor whose wire gauge would be that of the diameter of the drum.  The skin effect.  The longitudinal wave doesnt have to deal with the resistance of the wire it just skips from turn to turn like the whole coil is a hollow core transmission line of very very very large wire gauge.  Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies.  Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance.  Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea.  They didnt buy it and so now they rectify the ac coming out of the plants and send it out as hv dc.  The heating losses of the semiconductors barely out weighs the the impedance losses of the transmission lines.  They got nothing better to do than waste money so what the hell.

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
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Offline angryScientist

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2009, 10:06:28 AM »
  I believe what Tesla is saying is that even though the wiregauge is real small the whole coil itself resistance wise acts as a conductor whose wire gauge would be that of the diameter of the drum.  The skin effect.  The longitudinal wave doesnt have to deal with the resistance of the wire it just skips from turn to turn like the whole coil is a hollow core transmission line of very very very large wire gauge.
Right, just skips from turn to turn. But can the degree of that effect be changed? I want to change the timing and position of nodes and maximal. It would be of enormous benefit.

Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies.  Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance.  Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea.  They didnt buy it and so now they rectify the ac coming out of the plants and send it out as hv dc.  The heating losses of the semiconductors barely out weighs the the impedance losses of the transmission lines.  They got nothing better to do than waste money so what the hell.


They do pay some attention to that fact. We as consumers don't and we could save some money if we did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
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Because of the costs of larger equipment and wasted energy, electrical utilities will usually charge a higher cost to industrial or commercial customers where there is a low power factor.

Linear loads with low power factor (such as induction motors) can be corrected with a passive network of capacitors or inductors. Non-linear loads, such as rectifiers, distort the current drawn from the system. In such cases, active or passive power factor correction may be used to counteract the distortion and raise power factor. The devices for correction of power factor may be at a central substation, or spread out over a distribution system, or built into power-consuming equipment.

Offline jadaro2600

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2009, 04:53:01 PM »
Bearing in mind the mess that humanity is in, it is hard to see how anybody
who had the key could justify not getting it out to as many people as possible
as soon as possible.

I think radioactivity is proof of over unity.  I wouldn't want to spread this.

I think I see what you mean though.  I think we'll learn, in the end, that this or any other key, will unlock something beautiful, but completely destructive.

Tesla's spark gap machine, reminds me of the way an aging atom throws an alpha or beta particle ..in beta cells, such as a radium tipped electrode in a hollow silvered sphere, this is essentially what is happening.  I think it notable that the rate at which something decays relative to the amount of material decaying creates the apparition of current pulses ( in radioactive decay - as mentioned, this is voltage differentials ) a similar thing is happening.

Tesla is just scaling the atom up to the size of a transmitter and using stable materials to replicate this effect.  The receiver is thus shaped as the transmitter ( and as a result ) ..this makes one machine tend to the other as if one decaying atom tends to the environment around it.

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
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Offline sparks

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2009, 05:03:59 PM »
  The problem with power factor is that the watt meters dont catch the reactive power circulated.  Because the wattmeter is designed to monitor voltage and current in phase and report this as wattage they miss the reactive power flow they have to circulate un monitored.  They dont bother with small end users but if you have a welding operation or anything else where the outofphase energy to the plant is appreciable they have a special meter for you. 

 @Jadaro

     What the hell is the difference between beta and accelerated electrons anyway?  Wave particle duality stuff.  Oh ya I forgot the neutrino bullshit. These mysterious little things are everywhere react with nothing weigh nothing but they exist because they make the math come out right so we dont have to deal with infinite values.  OK as long as it makes you happy.
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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2009, 05:58:52 PM »
@Jadaro

     What the hell is the difference between beta and accelerated electrons anyway?  Wave particle duality stuff.  Oh ya I forgot the neutrino bullshit. These mysterious little things are everywhere react with nothing weigh nothing but they exist because they make the math come out right so we dont have to deal with infinite values.  OK as long as it makes you happy.

Lets see:  Beta radiation is an electron, alpha is a helium nucleus ..all are named because they are atomic pieces moving at high speed.  the named radiation DOES react with the environment..

Let's say we have a dieing atom, and it beta decays, it send an electron somewhere, and lets say that it impacts a conductor - a charge difference is created between the two which can be used to power something is the number of beta emissions is excessive enough to be noticeable ( a large amount of radioactive material ).

Well, the same stuff may also undergo alpha decay, and do the dame thing.  The combined effects make thermonuclear betavoltaics possible.

Just as well, with regard to the Tesla spark gap - ..  The transmitter is sending pulses, the receiver is getting them ( apparently because of the likeness of the device.

Well, ultimately, the atomic particles are all the same, they just exist in different proportions to form the elements.  The case is, if I have two like atoms, and one beta decays before another, and the beta particle strikes the as-yet-decayed atom, then a voltage difference will exist between them ..and if I were stupid enough to try to make a circuit that small, it would generate electricity for me ( for that fraction of a second ).

This pulse is similar to tesla's spark gap device.  His observations on the effects can be paralleled to how we perceive radiation ( from sound waves all the way up to...infinity ( as you are so annoyed by ) ...   and as he notes, there is a comfortable realm in which the emissions of his device operates, just as there is a comfortable realm in which we exist.

.. a neutrino is just an exotic quazi-particle.  And has nothing to do with what I was talking about, and I'm not sure why you ranted on about it..

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2009, 06:08:48 PM »
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Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies.  Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance.  Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea.  They didnt buy it and so now they rectify the ac coming out of the plants and send it out as hv dc.  The heating losses of the semiconductors barely out weighs the the impedance losses of the transmission lines.  They got nothing better to do than waste money so what the hell.] Ac losses due to selfinduction on transmission lines pisses off the power companies.  Maybe they should add some capacitors down at the end to exploit resonance instead of pushing voltages against resistance.  Then hook the transmission lines to transformers once the nodes and antinodes are estabished on the wire. That was Teslas idea.
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Any unused offshoot of an AC line will be capacitive if it's length is greater than or equal to the length of the AC wave.  I think these are called gimmicks.  On top of that, AC lines have capacitance between them.. this is often the case with tower-based transmission lines 100kv or higher are often done in pairs of close wires.  This is supposed to help overcome the issues you mention here.

edit, after re-reading your post ... i'm not sure what country you're living in, but having DC associated with transmission lines is bad, .. Edison was the one with the DC supply, and it cause so many fires ...

Well, Tesla came along with AC and the rest is history.

Who's transmissions lines carry HV DC?  ...

Every once in a while, if you're traveling down a country road with the usual AC poles off in the right-of-way ..you may notice something that looks like a set of transformers ( but strangely enough, there are no houses or lead-offs.  Theses are the capacitors you are talking about.

Otherwise, a transformer itself has a capacitance, and these things aren't needed all over the place.  The tranformer IS the capacitor at the end of the run.

Just as tesla's receiver is; between the transmitter and receiver, there is capacitance, inductance, etc.  It would be hard to ignore these things and still get away with the transmission of electricity.

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2009, 07:34:56 PM »
   Due to self inductive losses the power companies rectify the ac filter it and send it on down transmission lines between generating plants and distant end users.  The impedance of the wire is lets say greatly reduced.  AC distribution was implemented due to the ease of construction of the ac transformer to supply safer operating voltages to be distributed to the end users.  The transformers you see are boost transformers to overcome the resistive portion of the impedance presented by the transmission lines.  The orginal dc distribution circuits generated low voltage dc at levels determined safe enough to enter households.  This necessitated that each consumer be supplied with it's own run and the size of the copper conductor increasingly large determined by how far away the consumer was from the generating plant or motor generator substations.  Tesla moved on from his early work with ac currents of high voltage and wanted to drive his transmission system using emwave energy instead of just charge pressure.  The line no longer has any resistance to the wave energy but becomes the media through which the wave energy is conveyed.  By transmitting harmonic frequencies of the transmission lines natural resonant frequency his nodes and antinodes could arise on the wire at any interval needed to be conviently connected to what he called translatory devices to do some work for us.  It doesnt matter if the wire is a loop or whatever it was never intended to create a complete circuit as we now find ourselves dealing with.  Westinghouse was as bad for Tesla as Edison ever thought of being.  He was on Tesla's payroll and the guy is inventing stuff that obsoletes the transformers his company is making a fortune off of and still do replacing aged transformers and extending the "Devils Grid" into developing nations.
   
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   I wasn't ranting at Jadareo but particle physics is running out of shit to come up with to explain it's failures at a grandunification theory.  Enough is enough.  Do we need to spend billions on Cern to proove some theoretical mathmaticians computer generated bullshit.  The whole quantom physics realm of science is based on mathmatical probablities.  You cant get to the essence of an event by looking at it's effects.  The best gamblers I know try.  They lose even when the odds are in their favor.  There is the chaos element in any situation.  I love it.  Makes life exciting.

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2009, 08:21:11 PM »
I agree with Jadaro. Only AC here in the US powerlines. Edison fought for DC but Tesla prevailed with AC working with Westinghouse.
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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2009, 08:54:56 PM »
   Guys I have seen the diodes used catalogued.  They call them hockey puck diodes.  Special clamped heatsinks designed for highvelocity water feeds to cool the semiconductors.  Checkout any industrial electronics cataloque.  Uses listed as power transmission lines.  One I can remember is Galco Industrial Electronics.  Wakeup and smell the coffee.  These people have known about emwave energy transmission systems for a long time.  The problem they have is that a competing distributor of POWER would be able to supply power to users without using their wires.  The Earth is has very low capacitance so to turn it into a resonant circuit we dont need a very large inductance to get it ringing.  Problem is anybody could just pickup the nodes and away they go. The whole house of cards comes down including the frigging  grid.  Imagine a solar array in the mohave powering electric heaters in New England not polluting shit.  Imagine windmills storing energy in the resonant circuit or tidal damns exciting the resonance.  The oil industry becomes a plastic raw material supplier.  Recycling is putting a huge dent in that need also.  With abundant electrical energy you could turn anything into anything you want in plasma arc ovens.  You can burn limestone right now and get more energy out than in in this developing technology.  You can burn human waste in them.  You can take apart any molecule or atom you want and have it form into another element or molecule in a plasma arc oven. 
How long will you accept the yoke of slavery to these greedy con artists.

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2009, 09:02:09 PM »
Tesla method of conversion was : split electricity into longitudinal components, send them along transmission lines and combine at load. Still killing the dipole but exactly at load without line losses.That was the first stage started in 1891

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2009, 08:36:04 AM »
I've told you all before actually making a working device.it's because I'm poor and ill and have no place to work with that.
Basically you have to make a rolling snowball.When snowball is becoming larger it cohere more and more energy. Exponential feedback.

Require

1. Resonant circuit adjusted to special frequency harmonic (vide : TPU and Steven Mark comments)
2. Exponential feedback.The more it gets the stronger it reacts.

Like a swing whcih become heavier after each period of oscillation.

Tito said you that, but actual implementation is hard to make.

no! it is very easy if you only new how easy it is i'm telling you its just a peace of cake.

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2009, 08:40:02 AM »
Tito
Merry Christmas. Hey, you can give out big extention cords for presents this year an let them hook up to your grid.  ;D   Just kidding, happy holidays Teets. Good to see your back.

Magluvin

i'll do that soon
 ;D  ;D  ;D

Merry Christmas too  ;)

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Re: Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)
« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2009, 08:45:03 AM »
no! it is very easy if you only new how easy it is i'm telling you its just a peace of cake.

HO SO ? Does it mean I'm wrong or I'm right but actually implementing it is also easy ?

 

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