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Author Topic: Lets please use common sense.  (Read 24584 times)

nightlife

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2008, 09:34:01 AM »
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when you sweep a magnet past a coil, it is not transferring energy to the coil, it is creating a current flow in the wire by moving and aligning electrons within that wire but it can only do this while the magnet moves, as soon as the magnet stops the alignment ceases and no more current flow.
 
  I disagree because if that was true, the wire would eventually use up all the so called electrons you are talking about. The magnet is used to create a vibration and the continued motion keeps the vibration vibrant and the faster the motion is applied, the more vibrant the vibration becomes.

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Magnetic spin does not mean particles spinning constantly in a magnet, it means they can be spun to change alignment  which of course takes energy, who'd of thunk it.

 I don't recall a stating a magnetic spin consist of constantly spinning particles. I did say that magnets consist of two vibrations flowing in opposite directions that are attracted to the core of the magnet and when they collide in the middle, they create another vibration and that cycle continues until the vibrations fade away and or are absorbed by a substance the vibration has a attraction to.

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2008, 10:01:59 AM »
Nightlife, you say that those who use the term aether use it because we just can't figure out what energy is, much like people and god, however you talk about vibrations and my question to you is in which medium do these vibrations occur? Its only logical they require a medium and to say they don't is like the absolutely absurd notion that electromagnetic waves don't require a medium to travel.
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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2008, 04:43:08 PM »
RunningBare,  
  I disagree because if that was true, the wire would eventually use up all the so called electrons you are talking about. The magnet is used to create a vibration and the continued motion keeps the vibration vibrant and the faster the motion is applied, the more vibrant the vibration becomes.
Oh dear, firstly it takes about 16 years for a single electron to travel 1 foot length of wire, they are not used up, they are in essence recycled through a circuit the load, no circuit, no load, no movement, accept at the quantum level where the atoms are agitated by ambient temperatures.
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I don't recall a stating a magnetic spin consist of constantly spinning particles. I did say that magnets consist of two vibrations flowing in opposite directions that are attracted to the core of the magnet and when they collide in the middle, they create another vibration and that cycle continues until the vibrations fade away and or are absorbed by a substance the vibration has a attraction to.
I refer you to the spring, but I do not think your going to accept this anyway, so I'll leave you to it, good luck in finding that energy in a magnet, your going to need it.

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #78 on: October 15, 2008, 05:46:52 PM »
If energy is in a magnet, then why is the "magnetic field" outside the magnet?

What is this "magnetic field"?  It appears as a region of space with certain properties, but how is it that empty space can have different properties?

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #79 on: October 15, 2008, 11:19:21 PM »
Marco:

I can't make heads or tails out of nightlife's explanations. Can you explain if he doesn't?

Or maybe it's still me.  I'll try again: 

Nightlife, when something contracts due to cold and slows down,  it becomes more dense.  One is relative to the other. CNG is simply a condensed form of natural gas.  It is also more dense than natural gas. LNG is more dense than gasous form of Natural gas.   When it heats up it expands and is less dense.  One is relative to the other.  But also depends on what it is made up of.  Oceanic plates are more dense than Continental plates, thus when they come against each other, the Oceanic will subduct under the Continental plate.  Cold air (with the water vapor) is more dense due to the kinetic energy thus it will lower.  And the heat (water vapor) will rise. (Now I'm talking about the wind cycle because the high altitudes of the Earth's atmosphere is cold.  The pressure is lower. It also has less water vapor.   Just take a ride in a biplane and see. Or you can be like me and go parachuting to have some fun). The barometric pressure measures the atmospheric mass.  And yes it does lower when you go higher.  You'll have trouble breathing up there, too. But I don't understand your flow explanation.  If the air is hot and rises, your lower pressure on the ground will be LoW and also the density and also the atmospheric mass.  If the Air is cooler, the air pressure on the ground will be HIGH, also the density, also the atmospheric mass.  Not due to the temperature.  Due to the density.  If air rises yes it lowers pressure as it is higher, but also cools down, and vice versa. Temperature and pressure are relative.  High temp would be higher pressure but for the atmospheric elevation, the temperature goes down, energy is released, and the pressure goes down, and so does the water vapor...down down down to the ground as a liquid.   Check out the meteorology report next time you see a high pressure front against a low pressure front and notice the temperatures.  Then notice where the rain is.  Then check the barometric pressure.    Convection causing transpiration and evaporation causes hot air to move upward.  As it reaches greater heights, it will cool down, (Kinetic energy lowers), condense into liquid  and release its water, causing rain, or snow.  As something goes from hot to cooler energy is released. Happens in water currents also. Water currents are warmer on top though, due to the sun,  and cooler below.  One current moves one direction, the other, the opposite.  There is some study to try to harness the energy released as the water goes from warm to cold.  .Precipitation cannot occur unless there is water in the air, and some way to cool that water (water vapor which can be higher in heat than in cold air). High latitudes where the air is cold has little moisture, thus little precipitation. Some places of low latitudes have little mechanism for cooling thus no precipitation even though there is water vapor, such as in some places in Peru. In orographic rain it moves up a mountain, cools, releases its water, then as it gusts downward on the other side it is dry because it already had released its water.  But we made it rain in class by lowering the temperature while it had a high humidity.  Fun watching rain droplets fall all over your books and equipment. (Especially while hitting each other with the psychrometer) The humidity was pretty high so the dew point (temperature at which you get rain relative to the humidity factor)  was high so we got rain at a pretty decent temperature. 

 (Keep in mind, Earth also emits energy). But also there are Hadley cells moving the air to the lower or higher latitudes and according to the Corialis effect of the spin of the Earth.   Cooler air on the other side of these cells will fall, called the trade winds.   Between these cells, because there is another set of cells further up, is the horse latitudes or dead horse zone.  No WIND. NONE at all.  Sailors used to get trapped in these areas,  pray for the wind, and run out of food and water, start fighting, they would throw off their horses to lighten the load etc.  This is why the name "horse latitudes." Sailors wanted to follow the trade winds, not stagnation. These latitudes shift as the Earth revolves around the sun, causing the main reflection of the sun to move southward or northward, depending on where the Earth is at the time Tilt end North towards the sun vs tilt end South towards the sun or somewhere in between.  (Not the sun's movement, the Earth's movement)

A fun way to find the vapor pressure, relative humidity and temperature of the dew point is with a sling psychrometer, (dry and wet bulb thermometers) but don't do like we did and hit each other with it while twirling it around. A few reportedly got busted because they are made of glass. Oops.  :o
I don't think we're really disagreeing but your language and mine are not connecting.   "?Que' es?"    "Es un libro."  "No, no it's a book."  "No it's not, its a bundle of papers."  No, son papeles."  "No estupido, es de arboles."  "No, it's from trees."  "No tenga razo'n.  Es de la libreri'a."  "Liar, it's from the book store." "Esta' un burro.  Es un libro." "Daggone it!  I'm telling you, it's a book!"
Hydrogen and Oxygen splitting when water becomes gas?  Where are you getting this?  They are still water molecules in gas form. (water vapor)  Unless you're referring to an electrolysis process?

Hot causing contraction and Cold causing expansion?  In what way?  give an example.  Even metal will expand when heated.  Now when ice freezes it expands but that is due to another issue. Unless you're talking about when you burn something.  Or use energy to break something down such as proteins into amino acids in the body.


Now the battery:  Yes, that was my deduction, that the energy was due to the battery, not the magnet.  My next step is to test Dr. Adam's magnetic motor to see how long the lightbulb lasts, if it indeed lights.  I've had two hypothesis thrown at me: 
1)  The magnetic rotation will slow down once it is being used for energy source. ( a further one suggests losing magnetic pull of the magnets)
2)  You get large amounts of energy that lasts forever; free energy.  Then one would wonder why do magnets, although lasts a long time, not forever?  If something is causing them to not last, would say using them for energy make them last even less time?

I'm skeptical.  My brothers already tried it and said it didn't work. 
I've just got to order the right kind of magnets.

PS  Hope I didn't confuse anyone.  Pressure and temperature are relative.  Atmosphere elevation and pressure are inversely relative.  Density and mass into the equation, The colder higher density, high pressure air moving down against a low pressure lower density hot area causing wind.  All this is related to kinetic energy but the kinetic energy is related to the heat source of the sun (and some the Earth)
Next time we have a hurricane, study the pressure and temperature readings, and watch how the front moves. Now let's throw a jet stream in there and botch the whole thing up. :o

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2008, 06:53:49 AM »
Raui, please bare with me for a bit and I will get back to your question.


 RunningBare,  "Oh dear, firstly it takes about 16 years for a single electron to travel 1 foot length of wire, they are not used up, they are in essence recycled through a circuit the load, no circuit, no load, no movement, accept at the quantum level where the atoms are agitated by ambient temperatures."

 LOL, no one has even seen a electron and you are saying it can only travel so far? How can we know it can even travel if we haven't even seen it. Are you religious?

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I refer you to the spring, but I do not think your going to accept this anyway, so I'll leave you to it, good luck in finding that energy in a magnet, your going to need it.

 The core of a magnet is iron, energy flows though it because of the attraction energy has to the core and the resistance it has to energy that flows in the opposite direction.


Grumpy, please refer to my reply to Runningbare as my answer to your question.


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But also depends on what it is made up of.


 That is the key to how cold and heat affects substances. Substances are made up of different atoms and some atoms react differently to energy then others do which depends on the amount of energy that is stored in the atoms. Atoms with more stored energy will be harder to get a divorce then those who have less stored energy will. Heat causes excitement and individuality and cold creates laziness and marriage. LOL, I thought that was a good example to use and make it easy to understand. The harder and heavier the substance, the more energy it's atoms have stored. The softer and lighter, the less energy its atoms have stored.
 
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but for the atmospheric elevation, the temperature goes down, energy is released, and the pressure goes down, and so does the water vapor.


 I disagree because energy is only released from a atoms magnetic field when it is excited more then the excitement the field has and it attracts and stores energy that is not vibrant enough to escape a atoms magnetic field when it is cooled.
 A example would be the effect heat has on a the magnetic field of a magnet. When heated, it looses it's magnetic affect but when cooled it regains it's magnetic affect unless it is heated enough to release all of it's energy in the magnetic field. Once all the energy in the field is completely released, it is no longer a magnet.

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I don't think we're really disagreeing but your language and mine are not connecting.


 I will admit that I am uneducated with the words most here use as well as I am not well educated on the different terms used but I am trying to learn. I do think that we do have some disagreements regardless of my ability to explain my thoughts properly but I will start trying to do so better. I do have to rely on the dictionary quite often. LOL

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Hydrogen and Oxygen splitting when water becomes gas?  Where are you getting this?  They are still water molecules in gas form. (water vapor)  Unless you're referring to an electrolysis process?


 Electrolysis is made possible by exciting the energy stored in the molecules magnetic field which will release it's attraction to the molecules that makes up the water molecule. The separated molecules will still retain their magnetic field until they are excited enough to release the energy from their magnet field which will then separate the atoms that make up that molecule. We can go one further and excite a atom's magnetic field enough to release it's energy in which we have found to be quite a abundance of energy unlike the energy in any other magnetic field.
 WOW, I cant believe I just figured that out. That means that atoms are just a magnetic field and their differences are based on the vibrance that their magnetic fields energy has like different sounds and smells have. Therefore a electron is actually a vibration that moves in one direction and a proton is a vibration that moves in the opposite direction and the nucleus is just a smaller atom that contains a magnetic field and when it is excited, we end up with a nuclear reaction which emits more energy then exciting the atom does.

 There you have it, energy is a vibration and substances are magnetic fields that are made up of vibrations and that is why we can alter a  substance by applying a vibration to them.

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2008, 07:07:41 AM »
 The vibrance of energy is based on the strength of a pulse and the strength of the pulse is based on the vibrance of the colliding energy's that created the pulse.

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2008, 08:09:03 AM »
 I want to thank all of you who added to this and other threads that I have been apart of. I also want to thank those who have put up with my way of learning what I have learned. There is still much to learn but at least now I have a place to start from.

 First I had to figure out what energy was, then I had to figure out how it was created. I have now done that but I discovered some things along the way that will take some time to fully understand so I can figure out a way to release the energy that is stored in them and then store that energy in a more user friendly storage unit and or a way to use that energy directly. Any help and or comments would be nice and appreciated.

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2008, 03:52:54 PM »
JUST TAP IT ...  CONVERT IT ....  USE IT

ALL ELSE IS A WASTE OF TIME

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yes this is COSMIC RAYS  charged particles ..if u like... moveing faster than the speed of light as light is the result of this engery slowing down...

this is the verry wheel work of nature  and we just taped it

HOW ABOUT THAT!?!?!?!?!

who would a thought ...   rotation is a ruse ....   smoke and mirros 

pinch her she BITES BACK

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I ADD THIS ...     sure looks like a bunch of 3rd eye blinds round the net!!!  eh marco....
« Last Edit: October 19, 2008, 04:27:34 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #84 on: October 19, 2008, 04:18:58 PM »
Nightlife you have a free energy device?  Do you have a video?


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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2008, 11:27:25 AM »
there might be no such thing as "energy for nothing".
but there are many devices which "produce more energy than they consume".


these devices all have limitations, on how much "excess energy" they can produce.
but the excess energy, IS an energy profit.

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2008, 12:02:44 PM »
We can not expect to get free energy out of a perpetual motion design unless it continues to speed up to the point of self destruction. If a load is added to a perpetual motion design that has a steady rpm, it will eventually come to a halt regardless of the size of the load.

 You must also remember that a load is a resistance and there for any resistance will bring any perpetual motion design to halt if the perpetual motion can only achieve a certain steady rpm.

 Free energy comes from free motion that a motion creates that is greater the motion that created it and a steady perpetual motion is a motion that uses 1/2 of it's motion to create the other 1/2 of the motion. A perpetual motion that will exceed to the point of self destruction is a motion that creates more of a motion then it uses.

 Therefore, if you have a perpetual motion design that will not accelerate to the point of self destruction with out a added load, it will not create any free energy.

sad that you have so many posts and do not understand fe. or you had a glitch on this one.

lets say device can generate 100W from no input. if rotating slow at first friction consumes let'say 5W when rotating faster friction will consume 20W. even faster 50W, and fastes  is when friction equalizezs with max oputput of device. so you have max RPM for that device that doesn't have to be selfdestruct rpm. instead of friction you can use load. same thing. energies equalizezs and it is very far from selfdestruct. free energy doesn't have to give infinite ammount of energy per time.

if this is just glitch - post some more. if you really believe in this selfdestruct theory of yours, please do not post anymore. cause It just isn't So.

don't get this wrong, finding FE and OU is very serious thing to be stoped with such a loosy theory of yours.
please say you tought it wrong - cause you did.

Wiz

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2008, 04:09:12 PM »
nitinnun,
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"but there are many devices which "produce more energy than they consume"."

 Sorry, but you are wrong. There is no such device nor can there be. You can not create a equal and or larger vibration then the vibration used to create it. You can however collect vibrations and use the collection to create a equal and or larger vibration then one of the collected vibrations did.

wizkycho,
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"lets say device can generate 100W from no input. if rotating slow at first friction consumes let'say 5W when rotating faster friction will consume 20W. even faster 50W, and fastes  is when friction equalizezs with max oputput of device. so you have max RPM for that device that doesn't have to be selfdestruct rpm. instead of friction you can use load. same thing. energies equalizezs and it is very far from selfdestruct. free energy doesn't have to give infinite ammount of energy per time."

 Think about what you said here and remember that friction is always a factor, even at the start and it grows as the power created grows and they are just as equal at the start as they are at the end unless a resistance is added by way of the design and or physical input. Once a design reaches a steady rpm, it is consuming what is produced and if it didn't, it would continue to speed up until it self destructed.

 We may be able to apply a resistance to a steady rpm that will just lower the rpm to lower steady rate but we can not produce more then what is being used even if we think we are using nothing.

 Over unity is impossible to achieve because you can not create a vibration that is equal and or larger then one that is used to create the vibration unless you are using one vibration to release multiple vibrations that have been collected and stored.

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"if you really believe in this selfdestruct theory of yours, please do not post anymore. cause It just isn't So."

 I am sorry but it is so and if you can prove me wrong, please do so and if you cant, then maybe you shouldn't post anymore. A true over unity design would self destruct if over unity was possible.

 We must stay focused on finding cheap efficient ways to utilize energy that is stored in atoms all around us.

nitinnun

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2008, 02:44:32 AM »
there is no greater WASTE in the universe,
than to say that something is impossible.


if it is, than it is.

if it is not, than you are crippling your time, effort, motivation, creativity, and research effectiveness.
and that of OTHER PEOPLE, as well.


you lose, yet do not gain.
it is the ultimate sucker-bet.

it is perpetual NON-motion.

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Re: Lets please use common sense.
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2008, 03:58:29 AM »
there is no greater WASTE in the universe,
than to say that something is impossible.


if it is, than it is.

if it is not, than you are crippling your time, effort, motivation, creativity, and research effectiveness.
and that of OTHER PEOPLE, as well.


you lose, yet do not gain.
it is the ultimate sucker-bet.

it is perpetual NON-motion.

 It is not always the quest, but what you find, discover, or invent from the quest.