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### Author Topic: voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates  (Read 4697 times)

#### Aveon Blitz

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##### voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates
« on: October 05, 2008, 02:34:09 AM »
according to traditional electrolysis, you should have 1.23V potential across a single cell, so a +- type configuration would work best at 1.23V. i have not read any literature that experimented with systems wired in series or cells with neutral plates, such as +n- or +nn-. any suggestions on the voltage needed in the cell examples i gave, the +n- and the +nn-. i would appreciate any advice, i would do the experiments myself, but i am still waiting on some materials.

#### jdcmusicman

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##### Re: voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 03:16:27 AM »
Hi Aveon

As far as all the experimentation I have done with different voltages, I found that there are actually sweet spots you can hit ,in different configurations....If you are using 12volts the best configuration as far as heat and all that would be +NNNN- this will give approx. 2.4 volts per plate gap...and the cell can run for very long periods of time without over heating...I done test once on my 31 plate cell with 120v and 6 amps
having 1 postive ,1 negative 29 neutrals ,which give  approx 3.87v per plate gap ,production was great 6 lpm, but after running about 15 mins it was super super hot... I did a test with a 48 plate cell the same way 120volts 6 amps  the voltage per plate gap was 2.55volts ..It worked good for about an hour then just got things to hot ..Then I upped it to 51 plates same volts and amps this gave 2.4 volts per plate gap..I run it for about 4 hrs no heat problems getting 4 lpm....Have done several other test too...BUt what I have
learned personally about all this is that anything over 2.4 volts can not run for long periods of time ..The 2.4volt per plate gap is like a sweet spot ...I run my 31 plate cell for 8 or 9 hrs straight on 12v 25 amps with no over heating problems it was the +NNNN- config which is 2.4volts .. Anything over that is going to produce excess heat ....I have also tried lower volts the cell will not over heat at all, but gas production is lower.....SO from all that I have learned The happy medium for decent gas production and manageable heat  is to have voltage per plate gap between 2.2volts and 2.4 ,with me 2.4 is the sweet spot ...I have seem some say there sweet spot 2.3volts ........you can make lots of gas with higher voltages BUT YOU ALSO Get LOTS OF HEAT , that melts things , most plastics can only take 160 degrees F then start melting.....Well that been my experience ,Hope it helps you

#### jdcmusicman

• Jr. Member
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##### Re: voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 03:27:14 AM »
I would like to add one thing to what I just said ,,

Personally I believe the best goal to have with hho production is efficiency ...
You have to comprise a little to have a Decent hho output but have manageable heat...
Making a cell pump out massive amounts of gas is easy , most think this is the best way to go ,
but you end up melting stuff , I have done this...
One question you need to ask your self is What length of time will I be running my cell?
If you only need it for 20 mins at  a time yeah Juice it up to get maximum production .
But if you need something to run for 2 hrs you need to stay around the 2.4 v per plate gap..
So comprising production for efficiency is a good thing ....
It not how much gas you can make but How efficiently you make that gas ....

#### Aveon Blitz

• Newbie
• Posts: 13
##### Re: voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 04:41:33 AM »
this is exactly what i was looking for, thank you. i do have one more question, what electrolyte mixture are you using?

#### jdcmusicman

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 57
##### Re: voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 07:44:14 AM »
I am using Sodium hydroxide , works really well , the water stays clean ...
I have tried baking soda, lemon juice , vinegar and so on , they all gunk up the water
Sodium hydroxide does not I have use the same mix for for over a month and just have to
add a little in once in a while...Its safe to use with your car AS LONG YOU HAVE A BUBBLER.

#### Aveon Blitz

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##### Re: voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 05:09:31 AM »
how much sodium hydroxide did you use?

#### jdcmusicman

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• Posts: 57
##### Re: voltage potential in electrolyziers with neutral plates
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 06:01:16 AM »
My plate gap is 1/16"  and I mix about 1 1/2 teaspoons of Sodium hydroxide to one Gallon of distilled water , and that gives me about a 21 amp draw cold , and bout 24 amps draw when warmed up good.