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Author Topic: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2  (Read 54378 times)

Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2008, 11:20:25 PM »
The falling 64 lb weight has enough force to overcome the external water pressure.


a 64 lb weight cannot displace more than 64 lb of water no matter what the arrangement.

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Offline brian334

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2008, 11:38:07 PM »
A moving 64 lb weight has a lot of force.

Offline brian334

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2008, 11:41:50 PM »
The falling tank only weights 3 lb more than the liquid it displaces.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2008, 11:41:50 PM »
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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2008, 12:25:00 AM »
The falling tank only weights 3 lb more than the liquid it displaces.


So does the rising tank

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2008, 12:40:44 AM »
The rising tank does not weight 3 lbs more than the liquid it displaces.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2008, 12:40:44 AM »
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Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2008, 12:46:39 AM »
what do you think makes it lighter? The maximum that it is capable of displacing in addition is 3 lbs, no more. Which still keeps it at the bottom.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2008, 01:16:03 AM »
Dear Hans,
I don't think you understand the machine.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2008, 01:39:15 AM »
No my boy,

You don't understand hydraulics. There is nothing in your machine that an engineer cannot understand. Your underlying physics is wrong. The machine cannot behave like you say in this environment, howevermuch you wish.

This is a clone of a hundred similar designs I have seen, some of them patented, and none of them has ever worked. Do some simple experiments in a fish tank or bathtub and you will see where your errors are.

Hydraulics is a very well understood subject in physics. You really should study it.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2008, 02:35:57 AM »
Dear Hans,
In detail please explain what phase of my machine won't work?

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2008, 04:19:52 AM »
Greetings Hans

 Thanks for stepping in. I don't think brian334  understood my crude blacksmith way of speech, and with your engineering of many years, might get him to understand that he needs to do some test and studies, if he wants to figure this out.

@brian334

 Hans is someone who you should never take lightly of what he says.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2008, 07:03:19 PM »
Dear Hans,
Do you think phase # 1 of my machine will work? If not please explain in detail why not.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2008, 09:03:50 PM »
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/buoyant.htm

Here is a page that deals with your design. It starts with buoyancy and continues to your design halfway down the page under the heading "modifications".


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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2008, 09:27:28 PM »
There is no comparison between the machine you cite and my machine.
The machine you cite has to lift the weight twice in each cycle. At the bottom the weight goes up than it falls down pushing the water up. The weight than has to be lifted again.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2008, 09:33:48 PM »
I am still waiting for someone to explain what phase of my machine won't work?
All I get are reasons other machines won't work.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2008, 09:58:19 PM »
Dear Mr. Rat2,
Even a fifth grader  can understand why the machine you cite  won’t work. In each cycle the machine has to lift the water from the bottom to the top. You gain nothing.
Can you explain why MY machine won’t work? What phase won’t work?
It should be easy to explain why MY machine won’t work.

 

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