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Author Topic: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2  (Read 54871 times)

Offline brian334

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A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« on: October 04, 2008, 07:08:18 PM »



At my website http://bsandler.com there is a description with drawings of a machine designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy and heat.
The machine is patent pending.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2008, 08:00:24 PM »
That sure is a lot of work, in your designs and drawings. I commend your efforts, and your creativity.

Unfortunately you have failed to see a fundamental flaw. It is the same flaw that all other gravity wheel designs have.
You see, gravity is a conservative field. Your design depends upon the conversion of Potential Energy to Kinetic Energy and back again. But the potential energy of a mass depends only on its height in the gravitational field, not on how it got there. No matter how complex the geometry or how clever the mechanism, the potential energy at the top of the travel of the mass is the same. So your design depends on equal weights lifting, or trying to lift, equal weights through a different path than they descend, but to the same height. Thus, you only get out what you put in--that is, the initial energy to create the very first imbalance, is all you are going to get, and that will quickly be dissipated as heat, and the device will stop.

Your design is essentially the same as the "sponge wheel", even though you have a more complex mechanism for moving the water around.

As I said, I commend your efforts and creativity. But it's sort of like going to the drag races, isn't it? I mean, there's a terrible lot of effort just to get to the end of that dead-end quarter-mile. But that's as far as you can go.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 12:53:50 AM »
In detail what phase of my machine won't work?

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 12:53:50 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 05:35:10 AM »
For a detailed answer, you could please read http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/bellows.htm

Your machine is a more complex version of these:

(http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/chain4.gif)
(http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/start1.gif)

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 05:48:43 AM »
brian334

 I commend you on your diagrams and such. But as TinselKoala has shown that it is not new. Out of all the fluid transfer designs I still think my second wheel design which is a fluid design is the best. And I am not in any hurry to build it either due to the natural problems of this approach.

Here is mine from Aug. 2007

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 06:59:21 PM »
I will ask the question again. What phase of MY invention won’t work?

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 07:11:45 PM »
I didn't went over your full design. But I commented on something similar. The part that will not work is the transfer part. At the bottom for instance the extended weight will try rock the whole thing back. Since it's too far out. Same goes for the top, but the reason is because it's too far in. So the displaced fluid doesn't affect it much.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 07:24:34 PM »
I will ask the question again. What phase of MY invention won’t work?

Build it and find out. For it may haunt you until you do build it. It seem like you want to be proven beyond a shadow of doubt so you may not have to build it to finalize your thoughts on the idea. I build my wheels for the very same reason. To finalize if it will work or not. So this should tell you I am talking from experience. Heck! one of my wheels spinning at about 60 RPM nearly took off my thumb ( I was trying to figure out a shifting problem and ZAP!!!) I laughed about it for it was still another step in the correct direction.

All and all the fluid movement speed is sadly a big problem for it has to move up hill.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 07:25:40 PM »
Broli, if you are talking about gravity machine # 1. The momentum of the extended weight will carry it past the low spot.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2008, 08:18:15 PM »
brian334

 I went back and looked a little closer at you diagrams. (forgive my earlier approach) I tend to put fluid movements and buoyancy types in the same category (my point of view). Fluid movement = resistance due to the speed of the movement. Have you ever paddled a boat? Note how much force it takes to go through the fluid. Every movement encounters friction and in fluid there is allot of friction. Either it be fluid or air transfer it will still take time to do. Again you have a problem so, even if you can get it to work, it will have very little use than just a novelty.

 When people are trying to get perpetual motion. They all seem to tend to try for the barely making it types. Re-do your math and try for the overwhelming types. Then if successful you will have something.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 08:43:39 PM »
Dear Mr. Hammer
When the tanks fall in a continuous column what will the drag be? What gets moved.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 09:47:42 PM »
Dear Mr. Hammer
When the tanks fall in a continuous column what will the drag be? What gets moved.


LOL I think you have a good head on your shoulders but lack in experience of reactions. So you reduce the paddle resistance by a straight column. This means you have a wider paddle at the shift, then it goes back to column. Don't you think you are loosing something there as well?  Like buoyancy? Displacement? Have you ever hung a tow off the rack and 1/3 of it held the whole tow?

You will just have to build it as see for yourself. I have to get back to work. But I will tell you there are better ways of buoyancy devices and fluid devices to be discovered.  ;D Study the reactions.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 10:47:15 PM »
I will ask the question again. What phase of MY invention won’t work?

Virtually all of it. I suggest you buy a really good book on hydraulics. It appears to me from your design that you don't understand the fundamental principles of hydraulics and yet you are attempting to design a hydraulic system.

In order for your tank to expand the weight inside must be greater than the weight of the water it displaces. That means that the tank sinks, not floats. But that is only one fatal flaw, there are more.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 11:06:15 PM »
The falling 64 lb weight has enough force to overcome the external water pressure.

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Re: A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 11:09:12 PM »
The falling 64 lb weight has enough force to overcome the external water pressure.

I don't see what you're trying to prove here. If you think these people are wrong then prove them wrong by at least an experiment or something. We are all after the same goal but these pointless discussion will lead to nowhere. Oh and the same goes for patents  ;D.


 

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