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christo4_99

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2008, 11:38:47 PM »
We can talk about God...just don't forget to find out why Moses raised up the serpent in the wilderness.

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2008, 11:56:19 PM »
I think the notion of pure vacuum is silly, every part of our universe is composed of different densities ranging between but not including zero and infinity.

Also I´ll bet that if you build a large diameter speaker and large diameter microphone then you would find that sound waves do propogate through "space". Maybe even fairly efficiently at very low frequencies. If anyone doubts this then lets look at that classic high school experiment where a glass jar with a bell in it is slowly pumped out with vacuum pump. The bells volume slowly diminishes as the vacuum is increased it reaches a point where the human ear can no longer perceive it. Why anyone would assume a step function to zero at any point in this diminishing curve is beyond me?

I think atoms are bound vortices of pure energy and maybe atoms propogate light something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaHLwla2WiI

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2008, 12:09:52 AM »
The ordinal post was dark matter.

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2008, 12:38:53 AM »
Good theory christo4_99  :)

christo4_99

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2008, 05:06:24 PM »
tell me if you think this is correct...and if it is what Einstein meant...the energy of a lone atom at rest is a standing wave which is like saying only bonding energy(nucleus relative to electron) or no energy beyond the electron shell...and since the electron is moving near the speed of light if the atom is accelerated(to c) the bonding energy of the electron is reduced because the environment is now moving just as fast as the particle...which also presupposes that the orbit radius has increased since the nuclei has gained relative speed and the electron has lost relative speed...the orbit of the electron would become randomly elliptical anytime it moved in a plane either with it's relative direction(inertia) or against it's relative direction(decay of inertia) so the particle would vibrate randomly and become (larger=more massive) then finally invert itself because it's surrounding have become inverted in a sense.

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 09:33:09 PM »
When sound travels thru air it slows down and eventually stops.
When light travels thru space does it slow down? NO. The reason light does not slow down when it travels thru space is because there is nothing in space to make it slow down.

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 10:20:51 PM »
   As I understand Einstein's theory velocity of a particle represents increasing the inertia of a particle so that the resultant inertial gain increases the velocity of a particle in a vectored path.
As the particle approaches the speed of light more and more energy is needed to overcome the inertia already present in the particle.  The particle due to it's inertia is getting harder to change it's velocity.  A body in motion tends to stay in motion at the relative velocity it's at. 

  @Brian 334
   How do we know if light isn't many orders denser than space and easily displaces this matter.  What we see as light is just the displacement ripples of dark matter.

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2008, 10:31:40 PM »
Light does not have a constant speed this has been well documented because in differnt conditions light travels faster, slower or not at all...

Sound does travel through space as does light thus traveling and travesing its way through this hodge podge of oppucancy of occupants which are unknown.

Dark matter is dark matter or whatever you call it.

Is it the amneotic fluid of the universe ? This is what most speculate... And there is fairly interesting theory supporting this energy can not be created nor destroyed so there is a sespool of energy available in space the problem is still a problem and has not been cracked and that is we are unable to crack exactly just how to harness such a force because of its complex nature or possibly its vastness.

I am not sure I love to hear what people have to say about this.

Anyhow I loved to see some folks thinking maybe your right just maybe but ... without sound proofs I dont think anyone will be able to settle for theory.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2008, 11:48:36 PM »
"It's the aether, stupid"

Not willing to annoy anyone here, but the fabric of the "void" was very well aknowledged and researched before Einstein "killed" it.

Le my clarify that I don't buy the concept of "Dark Matter" because it arises completely from a misleading cosmological model that says that the only force important in the shaping of the universe is gravity.

The electrical Universe theory eliminates the need for a "dark matter" to exists.

Nonetheless, there are other "observed anomalies" that might arise from a misundestarding of energy dynamics on the universe, and there's where the aether might play a fundamental role that we should stop neglecting.

(note for help you understand my position: "Big Bang? my arse")

christo4_99

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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2008, 05:58:45 AM »
one of the problems with thinking about light having a constant velocity is thinking of why it would have the same velocity in any particular direction...like waves moving up a river against the current,in which case they would slow down and disappate...the "river" would have to be flowing out of itself like point inflation but everywhere at once...if the universe expanding is causing light to slow down...like (omnipotent/omnidirectional point inflation of the universe)reducing the speed of dark matter by a collision with electrons(creating photons)then the speed of the dark matter would have to be greater than the speed of light and the electron.speed of dark matter>inflation(resistance)+ collision w/m(90 degree vector deflection)=c(speed of light)

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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 06:08:20 AM »
...I don't buy the concept of "Dark Matter" because it arises completely from a misleading cosmological model that says that the only force important in the shaping of the universe is gravity....

I agree.

Is it not strange that all of the known elements have 'electrons'?

There is not one known element that has no 'electrons.'

I am these days inclined to view all of the known elements as standing waves within an energy aether.

Thinking this way, what do we now make of the 'electron shells' surrounding each elemental nucleus?

What function does this electron shell play; does it help keep this standing wave standing and the nucleus intact?

What would happen to the nucleus if we could strip away the entire electron shell; would the nucleus become unstable?

Are these what we call positive ions--are any positive ions completely devoid of an electron shell?

Would an electron-shell free nucleus then change it's fundamental standing wave frequency and become a standing wave of a smaller atom and create for itself a new electron shell to interface the aether and seek a new stability?

Conversely, if we could pile an excess of electron shells upon a nucleus would it's fundamental standing wave frequency shift to the next larger stable standing wave?

If we could completely remove electron shells from or infinitely stack electron shells onto atoms then could we become alchemists?

(Sorry for my digression.)

christo4_99

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2008, 06:13:17 AM »
btw...i am not actually disputing the speed of light per se but instead the density of the universe...saying that the reaction of dark matter which is moving faster than light with electrons is creating light wherein the massless becomes massive...and also saying that the universe is expanding from all points simultaneously like a standing wave that only reacts to diffuse disturbances like high energy collisions...

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2008, 06:27:27 AM »
implosion and standing waves are the most fascinating phenomena in the universe as far as I'm concerned,and they don't rely on "magic" to function...standing waves are two sides of the same coin...implosion is simply moving something faster than the environment can react and the environment abiding to itself...if you have a spherical implosion it creates it's own spherical standing wave...kinda cool to think of....I'll even go so far as to say that the Bedini and Bearden inventions are devices that cause electrical implosions(causing negative pressure(defecate) then switching off the "classical" pathway for the circuit to restore itself)

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2008, 04:22:51 PM »
on:light from a moving source has the same velocity as light from a stationary source.the reason for this is simple but not what Einstein thought.if you accelerate matter against resistance to it's terminal velocity(that is the velocity at which resistance = impetus + inertia) it is then moving as fast as it can adding more accelerated mass to it will not increase it's speed because at this point the energy and the mass are equal...in other words the two masses are subject to the same laws...before terminal velocity it is possible to add the two vectors together to form one total speed up to the point of unification of mass but not beyond it...adding light to light or light to speed does not increase speed because light has reached it's terminal velocity...it is like using the greatest force possible to accelerate matter and then expecting the same force added coherently to result in even more speed...and to elaborate for this thread in general:if there is not any resistance on the light(if space is empty) then light would succumb to vectored forces of inertia and impetus...as far as the comparison is concerned: light is like matter that has reached it's terminal velocity and adding more matter at terminal velocity has no affect...adding more light at it's innate terminal velocity has no affect...in other words force is limited but potential is unlimited...if you remove the restraints (resistance,attraction,diffusion) then the light would continue to accelerate

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Re: Dark matter...i think i know what it is...check it out
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2008, 06:32:55 PM »
nature found a way to trap a reaction of implosion and a standing wave that doesn't lose any energy