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Hydrogen energy => Water arc energy systems => Topic started by: sirmikey1 on September 28, 2008, 04:30:15 PM
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3000 Vdc Capacitor Bank?
2 BALL Valves?
An SCR Handling 3000Vdc High current (maybe?)
Exploding Water within the injector?
Which ball valve would fail first?
Nice dream! Sorry I don't buy that.
You are better off introducing Steam generated by the Exhaust Manifold and Exploding it within the Cylinder using the enhanced HV System or CD ignition and appropriate spark plug.
professor
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Tommy Wrote:
I have put up a video on water splitter in action on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlWJfRFtTjI
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Try the same in rapid succession at 2000RPM Plus.The cost and size of your Capacitors and High Voltage power supply that must rapidly replenish the spent energy is just not practical.I watched your Video.
I saw the same being done in a Lab for Military purposes it lifted several hundred pounds it was impressive and cumbersome therefore not practical for use in a Combustion Engine.I appreciate what you did and I am therefore not trying to discredit you in any form or shape but I do not agree that this is Meyers Secret revealed. Just look at his Drawings For Instance You use no inductors, he does.Maybe you should call it "another approach to Meyers Injectors"
professor
Tommy Wrote:
I have put up a video on water splitter in action on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlWJfRFtTjI
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Professor:
Meyers also added Lazer energy. Would
this satisfy the operation and economics"?
Meyers exact words (Switzerland Video):
This all happened by "Presidential executive action!"
SM
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This was posted on energeticforum
Water Atomization by High Magnitude Electrical Impulses: A study.
http://www.powerlabs.org/waterarc.htm
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Hi sirmikey1
I hate to say this again,but after looking and reading your link Material at www.powerlabs.org/waterarc.htm, I find that this article only confirms my previous statements. And for clearer understanding I shall quote
Statement: An SCR Handling 3000Vdc High current (maybe?)
Answer from Quote:
The discharges were switched by a homebuilt pneumatically actuated switch, consisting of two 10cm diameter spherical electrodes, one stationary and the other propelled by a 450Newtons piston. Switch closing time is
calculated to be 80uS at 7.5kV).
Statement: Try the same in rapid succession at 2000RPM Plus.
Answer: 10 discharges were run in 20 seconds
Statement: The cost and size of your Capacitors and High Voltage power supply that must rapidly replenish the spent energy is just not practical
Answer: 562500Watts 36uF MAXWELL capacitor charged to 7500V
Though the capacitor is rated for a peak amperage of 60Kiloamperes, during the 3rd discharge it suffered internal damage, evidenced by excessive bulging to the case. A careful autopsy of the dielectric revealed no punch throughs: It appears as though the discharge exceeded the maximum amperage of the capacitor by so much
Practical Useage?
After several discharges the pressure inside the box remained at 1ATM. If the water was being vaporized by the discharge a phase change expansion would be expected and hence some pressure increase should be observed. Similarly, if the water was being split up into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis, an even higher pressure increase should be observed. More importantly, there was no "fogging" inside the box, further refuting any steam condensation claims, and the temperature change was consistent with my theory that the water is not being vaporized. If only a small amount of Hydrogen and Oxygen was being produced,
Quote from Article:
The zero pressure increase tells us that this change is non permanent and very quick. We can therefore rule out vaporization, and electrolysis, as both would result in a permanent pressure change.
Meyers contemplated using additional Laser Energy He was not using it on his Dune Buggy Injectors should I be wrong then please show me where it says that he did.
Again for certain Lasers as they are pulsed you require a precision high Voltage
Power supply and the cost vs. Gain is questionable.
I don't think you can achieve any kind of reaction by using 5to20 mw Laser diodes
Beyond that you are looking at thousands of dollars even for a CO2 Laser,
which is bulky anyway. You will never fit any of that kind of laser into your water spark plug.
Anyway ,Good luck , I like to see you succeeding and to prove me being wrong.
professor
Professor:
Meyers also added Lazer energy. Would
this satisfy the operation and economics"?
Meyers exact words (Switzerland Video):
This all happened by "Presidential executive action!"
SM
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Professor,
From what I understand, the Lazer is applied to the charged water first,
so that very little electricity is required to cause the explosion/split.
I just had an engineer who has read the patents confirm this. I also
just asked Tom to put something together for us on youtube, to get
rid of the capacitor bank. Tom has a complete workshop. He built
the rotary engine himself.
SM
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That's interesting ! always eager to learn something new.
Don't read me wrong I am a believer in this and other technology but I also know of its shortcomings or law of improbability when it comes to Electronics.
Do you have a copy or the Link to Meyers Patent paper regarding the Laser?
I know that you can split water using a specific wavelength in the UV region just how effective it is ,remains to be seen .It should be fairly simple to do a test setup and I am wondering why no one has tried it yet.(Maybe due to its cost)?
Getting rid of the capacitor Bank and still have lots of amps on demand at short intervals with high voltage ought to be quite a challenge.Keep me informed when you have figured it out. I myself would not know how else this can be done. Radar, lasers, even high power Audio Equipment all rely on exotic Capacitors for high demand.
professor
Professor,
From what I understand, the Lazer is applied to the charged water first,
so that very little electricity is required to cause the explosion/split.
I just had an engineer who has read the patents confirm this. I also
just asked Tom to put something together for us on youtube, to get
rid of the capacitor bank. Tom has a complete workshop. He built
the rotary engine himself.
SM
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Professor,
Around 40 patents, and I don't exactly know which one,
but I did contact Matt to see if he recalls.
The torrent here also has the xogen documents, which took
over after he supposedly died. His European patents are also here,
and others. 135mb (Opera Browser Downloads Torrents)
http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=free+energy+meyer
SM
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sirmekey1
With so many patents he just confused everyone.
So how do you know which is of essence.
I dont think there is a single sole that knows for sure,myself included.
I have downloaded torrents as well all I could find on Meyers .If I was to explore all of his patents I could spent a lifetime and sums of money that I dont have and still not get anywhere.
It could be resonance or a combination thereof ?
Even if you pretreat the H2O with your Laser you still need the other Compomnent to make it work.
Anyhow with thousands of pages I had hoped that you had the document available, it would save me an awful lot of trouble sifting through megabytes of Stuff.
But not to worry, it is the least of my concern about his Secrets.
professor
Professor,
Around 40 patents, and I don't exactly know which one,
but I did contact Matt to see if he recalls.
The torrent here also has the xogen documents, which took
over after he supposedly died. His European patents are also here,
and others. 135mb (Opera Browser Downloads Torrents)
http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=free+energy+meyer
SM
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Professor,
The patent does show a ball check valve in the water input.
Found the patent info on the laser, releases extra hydrogen and
changes charge of electrodes. Download this document below
and search it for the word "laser".
http://www.google.com/search?q=Meyer_WFC_Technical_Brief
Herman Anderson's injector and spark plug may interest you:
http://waterpoweredcar.com/herman.html
SM
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Sorry I came up empty handed searching for Laser and Meyers it just led me to other forums.
Do you remember what kind of laser meyers was using Wavelength and power?
Sorry that not much was ever heard from Herman Anderson before.
Professor
Professor,
The patent does show a ball check valve in the water input.
Found the patent info on the laser, releases extra hydrogen and
changes charge of electrodes. Download this document below
and search it for the word "laser".
http://www.google.com/search?q=Meyer_WFC_Technical_Brief
Herman Anderson's injector and spark plug may interest you:
http://waterpoweredcar.com/herman.html
SM
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Professor,
It's a 3.8mb pdf file with patent and technical briefing.
You can also grab the file here, Right click to save:
http://sirmikey.com/temp/
Search the pdf for the word "laser". Brings you straight
to page marked 1-8 and 1-10.
Herman Anderson, looks like his spark plug was able to
crack steam or something along those lines. Not much of
a website, but interesting introduction: http://waterfuelmuseum.com/
SM
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Hi sirmikey1
Thank you for the Link I downloaded it just have to find time to read it.
Really appreciate your effort.
professor
Professor,
It's a 3.8mb pdf file with patent and technical briefing.
You can also grab the file here, Right click to save:
http://sirmikey.com/temp/
Search the pdf for the word "laser". Brings you straight
to page marked 1-8 and 1-10.
Herman Anderson, looks like his spark plug was able to
crack steam or something along those lines. Not much of
a website, but interesting introduction: http://waterfuelmuseum.com/
SM
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Professor. This video may help: This video also makes me think
that splitting water may be a way to power air-powered cars
on demand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI
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There is sothing else very important to this Stanley Meyers thread. It is the plasma arc sparkplug.
You may view it here and it does operate at engine R.P.M. speeds but doesn't require a bundle of money to operate. You ay watch it sinter water intoits constituant explosive parts for yourself.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/plasma-spark-plug-test-on-engine-and-water/1609316264
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Nice topic , lets keep all of Gotoluc's meaningless posts burried below this one .
Plz dont compare Gotoluc's caveman sparkplug with Meyers cutting edge technology and concepts ...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6702.msg155812#msg155812
In this I explained to The_Buzz that he was confused , there is no need for photon energy to explode water on demand .
This is my project section .
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=132
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Hello Professor.
I am at a loss for the misunderstanding of my thread. I was not making comparisons. I was in all simplicity if I may use the phrase, offering an opportunity for expansion of the idea that Meyers was using not only a water splitting concept for the generation of hydrogen and oxygen , he may also have been employing the plasma arc process. He did use a very curious looking sparkplug you have to admit. This sparkplug did not appear to have a water line or anything of that nature attached to or coming out of it. Maybe, just maybe in the final analysis, it was the insurance of a more complete combustion. As we all know even water successfully divided into it's constituant parts falls back rather rapidly in the recombination process when it encouters other particles. So, someone here knows the how to's of the breadboard to get the frequency overlays, someone here knows the proper combination of catalysts if any, salt, lye, vinegar, H2O2 etcetera, someone here must understand that employing the plasma arc process in the final combustion must have or indeed did have advantages. Without Meyers himself at the helm of this thread we are on our own to figure it out. I can understand the frustration in it all. I have for the last eight years tried to get folks and that includes almost every Government agency to take a look at this Technology. http:www.glycangroup.com/industries Keywords: Terminatorr, Motorr. Hey I am still at it after twenty years of eliminating all other comers in these Technologies. Maybe there is something interesting there for everyone as, the technology is based on Plasma and the use of an exotic gas resembling Platinum. The Terminatorr is capable of generating Hydrogen in great volumes in the destruction of waste materials. The Motorr can produce one megawatt of power from a single pound of metal or metalloid material.
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Yes lets now start a fight here , The_Buzz come fight here with me .
We must burry Gotoluc forever muahahahahahahaha .
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once again dankie there is nothing wrong with gotoluc......he is working more on a firestorm spark plug method.....which in a sense is a geet processor (plasma based) with water vapor as combustion.
and no matter what you say dankie you need to create unstable particles in order to combust h20 with voltage pressure.....how do you create unstable particles?.....well the incoming oxygen (needed for a combustion) must be turned into a critical state......how do you do this......increase it's energy while decreaseing it's stability......so we remove electrons and ionize the damn thing.....so when it meets the newly split hydrogen atoms it cannot combine and further more creates a very very very unstable particle mixture which is easily ignitable with VOLTAGE PRESSURE........this cannot happen by just splitting water. AT ALL.....THIS IS WHY THERE IS AN ENTIRE SECTION DEDICATED TO THE GAS PROCESSOR IN THE TECH BRIEF.....with the use of highvoltage and photon energy absorption it became possible to ionize oxygen.
stan spends alot of time explaining this photon energy absorption and air ionizer for a reason.....it's the reason why this system replaces spark plugs.
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I know there is nothing wrong with gotoluc , I just hate when people who ignore my pm`s .
I invited him on ionizationx but he snubbed off my offer , he thinks he is too good for us ...
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To all of the HHO heads out there,
This link was sent to my email today from a friend. I thought that I would share it with all of you, as I am consumed (for good reason!) with TPU work. ;)
Enjoy!
http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/stanley-meyer-wfc-water-injector-technology/ (http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/stanley-meyer-wfc-water-injector-technology/)
Cheers,
Bruce
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@Bruce:
Thanks for sharing that link. Very interesting!
However, it looks like it's beyond what I can do a "garage-experiment" . . . :-[
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