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Author Topic: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite  (Read 70148 times)

Offline AbbaRue

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2008, 04:45:26 AM »
@zpfe
I think any student that tries to build the devices mentioned by these 3 men will learn invaluable info from it.
Your fear of there minds being destroyed by these inventions is totally uncalled for.
I would be far more concerned about those same kids spending all there free time playing video games, learning nothing.
You mentioned yourself that there is an unexplained phenomenon present. 
This alone could spark a child's imagination and lead them to a great new discovery.
No child is so gullible that they would wast there whole life away on useless experimentation.
Most people have a short attention span to begin with and if they got poor results from a device they would move on to something else.
But the info learned from the experiment can be priceless.
What these 3 men have done is opened the minds of many to a new view of the world around us.
And they have sparked countless other concepts.

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2008, 05:17:14 AM »
Agreed failures should be shared and results well documented before going this far and you should share you failures to recieve imput it is possible that you are missing something very small...

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2008, 10:06:29 PM »
can i be a cult leader? i hooked a drill motor and alternator to a battery and charged the battery with it...do i qualify?

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2008, 11:47:31 AM »
can i be a cult leader? i hooked a drill motor and alternator to a battery and charged the battery with it...do i qualify?

Yes you qualify, now get lost.

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2008, 03:54:51 PM »
can i be a cult leader? i hooked a drill motor and alternator to a battery and charged the battery with it...do i qualify?

Nope, not yet.
You need to add a water pump and a paddle-wheel or, as a minimum, at least a PMM generator with high impedance coils.
Now go building and stay in the line! You know, I’m aspiring too… ;)

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2008, 04:39:09 PM »
i can prove the concept of free energy in a very limited description...you start with a constant(electrical potential,atmospheric pressure,charge deficit whatever you want to call it)then you "accelerate" something beyond the natural(universal) capability of the "environment" to react and then stop it suddenly...the natural occurrence of the "constant" restoring itself creates the "free energy".the pistol shrimp phenomena is an example of this...the acceleration of the water does not cause the reaction...it is the sudden snapping shut of the claw which triggers the implosion to restore ambient atmospheric pressure...this sudden stop is a universal principle of "free energy" because it is the environment which restores the "deficit" in the open loop...

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2008, 08:13:50 PM »
 I have yet to see a properly built magnetic pulse motor. A properly built pulse motor will create free energy and the Bedini designs only contain part of the correct answers.

 Bedini showed us how to reclaim a lot of what is being lost but he did not show us how to utilize it in a way for us to get free energy.

 He did not use both poles of the coils and that is a must because when we only use one, the other is being wasted. When both are used, twice the work is being performed and it is not using any more energy to do so.

 The following is a video produced by jonnydavro and it proves what I have said.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1oXRhyulQ9c

 His design is not exactly what I have had in mind but it does work and it would produce over unity if it was set up properly. The bedini SG is said to be 53% efficient, double that and you get 106% efficiency. Now use jonny's design which looks to use cd drive motors as generators and play with the timing and you will get even a higher efficiency rate.
 
 We have not even scratched the surface of what Bedini has given us and to hear people say things like zpfe has is just wrong and very disrespectful.

 zpfe,  properly utilize what Bedini has gave us and then come back and tell us what your findings are.

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2008, 06:38:11 PM »
@all

I feel I’m misunderstood once again! I don’t know if I have to write in Turkish or Klingon in order to come through without misunderstanding. Sorry, I don’t speak Klingon see http://www.kli.org/ for more detail.

@Abbarue:
If you read my post once again, you will notice that I said “Nothing beats experimenting”. This is not the point. The point I was trying to make, is that these people don’t tell you “Do this and learn”. They say: “Do this and you’ll discover free energy”.
Playing with semantics is something politicians are excellent in. Are we dealing with a politician here? Are you a politician?
Now here we go with the song and dance that the free energy doesn’t happen in these machines. It’s in the method that the batteries are being charged! Up until recently, it was claimed that these machines exhibit excess energy.

I responded to that by asking “if the batteries are showing OU by being pulse charged, why the hell do we have to put up with a mechanical means ”Call it what you want, energizer, mechanical oscillator, scalar wave machine, whatever…”
What I am suggesting and accusing these people is that, they misinform others intentionally and should be held accountable for their lies and misinformation.

@Wilbylnebriated:
I’ll be happy to go along with the law suite if you agree to pay for it. You see, it’s easy to stay out of the ring and shout “kick him in the balls”.
Try to get in the ring and kick him in the balls yourself! Frankly I don’t understand half of what you’re saying at the end. You don’t make sense!

@infringer & @Hartiberlin
I don’t agree with you. Only successes need be documented so others can replicate it. What’s the point of replicating a failure? Just another dead-end!

@nightlife:
Use both sides of the coil? What an ingenious idea! Why didn’t I think of that obvious modification?
Oh wait. I did that in my second build. It doesn’t work!
You are all naïve people that believe everything you read on the net. Some if not all, is made up “numbers out of a hat”.
56%! Who the hell conducted these tests? Where are the test results published so that they can be disputed?
Just because it seems probable, doesn’t mean it is.

I think all of you are high on something. Why smoke a joint and/or get drunk and post nonsense rather than listen to a good album or do whatever stoned people normally do?

You all don’t seem to distinguish between fantasy and reality. That’s what charlatans like Bedini feed on.
Here is an email I was forwarded from one of these charlatans;


We are pleased to announce the Sixth DVD in the "Energy from the Vacuum"TM Science Series.

This one features John Bedini, and is entitled "Inside Radiant Energy - Dialogues with John Bedini."  In this film, John fields a whole host of questions about what his perception of Radiant Energy is, and then he demonstrates its capture and performance on the bench. 

Finally, in a candid give and take discussion, we get to see how John Bedini designs a circuit from scratch thinking about nothing but potentials.  This is a completely unique experience, and there are several "AH-HA" moments when realization of this new paradigm's foundations are revealed, coupled with admiration for John for his ability to truly "think outside the box" in an almost completely uncharted field.

In fact the existing crippled subset of electrical theory steers everyone well away from this whole arena, and John Bedini, standing on the shoulders of Tesla, has thankfully come up with a successful methodology for harnessing radiant energy that, with incredible generosity, he is sharing with all of us.

The DVD is available at http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/Disc6/

Regards

Tony Craddock
Web Administrator
The Tom Bearden Website
www.cheniere.org


Well Mr. Tony Crackpot;

“AH-HA moments”, please, give me a break. Why couldn’t you include these “AH-HA” moments in the useless 3rd series?
“Standing on the shoulders of Tesla”? I don’t think so…Jim Billy Bob Tony.
 I admire Tesla for what he accomplished as a scientist (with a doctorate degree in electrical engineering) and have the most disrespect for magicians like Bedini. Don’t use this revered scientist (Tesla) for your pathetic greed to sell more useless DVDs.

Can’t you people see that you’re being taken by these charlatans who want to drip-feed you nonsense and divorce you from your wallet at the same time?

“Buy this DVD and we’ll reveille the secrets. Buy another book or DVD and we’ll give even more secrets!”
The oldest tricks in the scammer’s cookbook.

I don’t even get why Bedini or any of you consider him to be an inventor. What the hell did he invent that Adams, Muller, Ed gray, Sparky, and above all, Tesla didn’t disclose way before him?
Robert Adams claimed in one of his emails to me, that Bedini and Muller were his students back in the 70’s. I don’t have any reason to believe him, but I don’t have any reason not to either.

Just because one has the money to pay the filing fees and attorney fees to file for, and obtain a patent doesn’t mean the patent is functional or worth the paper it’s written on.
These charlatans all seem to feed on the resentment you all apparently have towards the formal education process and the education establishment in general not to mention energy providers.

Just because you couldn’t hack it through college for whatever the reason, doesn’t give any of you the right to shit on the rest of us who had to wait tables to make enough money to get a post-secondary education and become competent.

I for one, will never pay a penny for what they have to say. I’ve seen their DVDs by downloading their video torrents and watched it for free. It’s all a bunch of crap designed to mesmerize the uneducated and the naïve.
This forum is not working for me. I get too worked up and frustrated with the lack of real science and proof of these extraordinary claims and the blind fanatics who defend their cult leaders like their life depended on it.
 
I am a scientist and much rather spend my time with my own kind than try to convince a bunch of uneducated fanatic cult members of the “whys” it can’t work. I can’t afford wasting my time like that.
I’m out of this forum.

I’ll give you a piece of advice. One you may freely reject.
Educate yourselves and don’t believe in this mambo jumbo until scientific proof is provided by the claimer or you, if you are willing to publish your results in a scientific paper and ready yourself to defend it against sceptics. That’s how it works today and that’s how it should work.

As the saying goes, “There are no heroes, only opportunists.”


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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2008, 06:55:50 PM »
@Wilbylnebriated:
I’ll be happy to go along with the law suite if you agree to pay for it. You see, it’s easy to stay out of the ring and shout “kick him in the balls”.
Try to get in the ring and kick him in the balls yourself! Frankly I don’t understand half of what you’re saying at the end. You don’t make sense!

LMFAO... the lawsuit was your "brainchild", and now you want me to pay for it? are you mental?

"kick him in the balls"? you don't make sense. are you asking me to "jump in your ring" and help you metaphorically kick john bedini in the balls? or are you challenging me to a round of rochambeau?

which words did you have trouble understanding? showbiz guru? or thats just asinine?
as i said bedini is about as far from show-biz guru as one can get. let me clarify since that post secondary education seems to be failing you when it comes to critical thinking. selling a couple hundred dvd's on the fringes of the internet does not qualify one as a show-biz guru. john bedini has never to my knowledge been on any mainstream media programming, save mythbusters mentioning his name. why didn't they have john on the show showing them how it works? should have been easy to debunk him right then and there if what you say is true correct? on national television even and catering to a demographic of uneducated non post secondary school heathens... wouldn't that have been the most expedient in exposing this "charlatan"? mythbusters isn't even recorded live, so it's not like john could have whipped a self runner out and made idiots (not that they don't do a fine enough job on their own) out of them all.
you're a scientist you say, and scientific and all in your methods? and yet you won't provide your research data when asked, why is that? did you forget to write it down while you were smoking that doob? are you not willing to publish your results in a scientific paper and ready yourself to defend against skeptics?
keep crying about your post secondary education, you should feel like a dipshit for waiting on those tables to make the money to pay someone else to tell you what books to read. you could have saved yourself a lot of time and money had you just gone and found out what the curriculum was and read the books for yourself. come to think of it, you wouldn't have to make such pathetic rationalizations about your post secondary education then though would you?

as the saying goes, "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."
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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2008, 07:15:14 PM »
zpfe,

You call us uneducated cult members, and rebuke us for not trusting you and the establishment. But I would have to ask if this distrust is illogical? You establishment people tell me that the Iraq war needs to be done because we need to get the weapons of mass destruction. Then it was to help them get democracy, then it was to fight Al Qaeda. You esablishment people tell me that the september 11th twin towers just coincidently collapsed symetrically at almost free fall speed because jet fuel burned for a few hours. To make matters even more absurd you guys tell me that building 7 on that day collapsed because of some never before seen phenomenon having to do with some thermal expansion and that caused that building to collapse symetrically at almost freefall speed. You establishment people are now telling me that we Americans are going to all lose our jobs and go into a depression unless we pay off the banks for all of their bad investment decisions. I could go on further but I hope I have sufficiently expressed some of the reasons that I distrust establishment people like yourself from the get go. I may be somewhat uneducated with just an B.S. degree but I think I have a little bit of common sense. At some point I have to ask if I am being taken for a ride. I dont agree with absolutely everything that Bedini and Beardon say but I know they have given me ideas that have actually led to real designs.

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Lawsuits against what you consider to be crank/fringe experimenters, you must be saying this tongue in cheek surely.

Maybe Bedini is on to something, but then maybe he's not, take your own personal truth and move on.

If, and I repeat IF, Bedini is a scammer then rest assured karma will catch up with him.

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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2008, 12:02:01 AM »
@zpfe

Please give me a break. Tell me, when you purchased your version of Windows 98, XP, 2000, Vista did Microsoft tell you you would be spending untold hours on trying to fix bugs.

Or when you bought your brand new car, did they tell you all the bad things with it in their sales pitch.

So, are they charlatans also? Hmmmmm.

So I guess you want to invent a new way of selling things called "Total Honesty". Nice concept but I can assure you your sales will be very uncomplicated. Cause you'll have no sales at all.

As for academia, we know what they need and this is what we are all working on. Proof.

You want some proof of Overunity, look up Universons which is now being accepted by academia as an unknown energy source, which we call ether and which has been shown to be smaller then electrons.

In my last post to you, I mentioned places here were you would be extremely useful in helping people. Maybe consider putting in instead of pulling out. You just may enjoy yourself.

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2008, 06:50:34 AM »
zpfe,
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Use both sides of the coil? What an ingenious idea! Why didn’t I think of that obvious modification?
Oh wait. I did that in my second build. It doesn’t work!

 If you did so correctly, you wouldn't be saying it doesn't work. We have already proved that using both poles of a coil does not consume any more energy then just using one. We have already proved that recapturing collapsing fields adds to the efficiency as well as it also keeps the coils cooler which adds even more to the efficiency.

 I personally do not use drugs nor do I drink alcohol. It is a fact that you can not have one pole with out having the other and it is also a fact that one pole is just as powerful as the other and when we only utilize one, the other is being wasted.

 Your ignorance is over whelming. I am not sure if it is do to frustration or something else but you must be doing something wrong if you can not get it to work. One thing you have to add when measuring the efficiency is the work that it can perform. and the energy that is produced from that work. Capturing the collapsing fields is just a fraction of the over all efficiency that needs to be measured. You can not base your efficiency rating on the collapsing fields by themselves, the work that is produced must also be added in.

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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2008, 08:21:30 AM »
I am not some mentally ill looking for revenge. I bought all their DVD’s and books gathering evidence against them after their claims failed scrutiny and after I put in the work as directed and saw no results.
I purchased the renaissance charger RC-2A12 and reversed engineered it despite the fact that it was drowned in black potting epoxy to keep the prying eyes out. Thank God for my sand blaster!

i would argue you are, and if not you are at least a liar...

I for one, will never pay a penny for what they have to say. I’ve seen their DVDs by downloading their video torrents and watched it for free.

i think that pretty much sums it up, oh one more thing...

“Buy this DVD and we’ll reveille the secrets. Buy another book or DVD and we’ll give even more secrets!”
an example of your post secondary competence? it's REVEAL, or didn't they teach you how to spell? lets all give him the benefit of the doubt and pretend he meant it as a double entendre...

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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2008, 03:54:24 PM »
This John Bedini is a scam artist....
If you want THE TRUTH, zpfe, and I doubt that you do, then build a f***ing Bedini SG and
see for yourself. Join the bedini_monopole3 YahooGroup, and you will LEARN FOR THE
FIRST TIME about this new form of energy, where it comes from, and what it can do.

Alternatively, you can stay in your soup of ignorance.

 

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