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Author Topic: Why Zero Point Energy is called...?  (Read 5514 times)

Offline froarty

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Re: Why Zero Point Energy is called...?
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 06:30:16 PM »
I also believe that Casimir effect implies we can organize ZPE.  Plasmonic resonators and appropriate lithographic techniques that can form plasmonic circuits have only recently become possible and is why DARPA only recently requested proposals for methods to control Casimir effects.
(WIKIPEDIA:Predictions of quantum mechanics have been verified experimentally to a very high degree of accuracy. Thus, the current logic of correspondence principle between classical and quantum mechanics is that all objects obey laws of quantum mechanics, and classical mechanics is just a quantum mechanics of large systems (or a statistical quantum mechanics of a large collection of particles). Laws of classical mechanics thus follow from laws of quantum mechanics at the limit of large systems or large quantum numbers.)
 My personal theory is that these so called virtual particles impart the very energy that keeps electrons spinning around their nuclei - the force  induced on the outside of 2 closely  spaced metal plates vs the inside reveals itself in plasmons (density waves of electrons) that occur only on the surface of metals in response to nearby virtual particles intruding into our dimension(ZPE) - As the plates are forced together one would assume these waves are reduced in amplitude on the inside surfaces until the plates form a single larger plate and the plasmons are only only induced on the outside surfaces of the newly formed "double plate". Virtual particles are systemic and still try to intrude inside all material but must obey the law regarding occupancy of space by only 1 particle at a time - IMHO these intruding "virtual" particles and real matter find an equilibrium between how far into our dimension these particles can protrude and the density of the atomic material already occupying the space. Even the uncertainty principle could be perceived as an artifact of the chaotic emergence of these particles into our dimension (constantly displacing electrons in random directions). The reason why plasmons only form at the interface of metal surface and less occupied space is clearly just a reflection of this differences in equilibrium between a densly occupied vs less densly occupied space. I'm sure the differential would be felt in an insulator as well but without conduction the electrons are not free to form plasmons. I am hopeful that researchers will be able to orient and organize the plasmons in thin metal foil or graphene using these new plasmonic components and lithography. I suspect that in addition to the metal nano materials and etching techniques already being used that a masking material with a similar density to the conductor could be used to  "print" channels and insulate those areas where plasmon formation is undesired.

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Re: Why Zero Point Energy is called...?
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 06:30:16 PM »

Offline Esa Maunu

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Re: Why Zero Point Energy is called...?
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2008, 01:17:56 PM »
@Raui, Let us know if you find an explanation in your reading. I've heard this sort of thing before but didn't think to question the speaker at the time. I have a feeling he might have just been repeating something he'd heard too.

@nitinnun, I just read your question again. In the standard model of physics, zero point energy is the thing that causes like charged particle to repel each other and oppositely charged particles to repel. Sadly, IMO, in that model zero point energy is treated as probability waves rather than real waves. The probability distributions define momentum, which moves the particles one way or the other.

In the Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) model the difference is that the waves are considered real waves traveling on a medium of space (just as water waves carry energy and travel on a medium of water.)

In the Casimir effect, metal plates very close together interact with the ZPE, but they don't store it. I guess they do catch it since the plates move as a result. If you want to do some semi-constructive conceptual thinking about it, how would you store water waves? Or would you first take the energy from the water waves and transform it to another form that you could store, or another form that you could use right away? The Casimir effect transforms the ZP energy into mechanical energy. What complicates things is that the ZPE waves are more like a churning ocean with waves going in every direction at once. If this happens in the ocean you could place a floating buoy in it which would bob up and down rapidly but the buoy would have to be smaller than the size of a single wave otherwise the buoy would just float on top of the average of a bunch of waves. ZPE waves are very very small.

So the Casimir effect uses has a very very small gap between the metal plates, too small for some of those waves to exist in. Since those small wave do exist outside the plates, you have a net force pushing the plates together.

ZPE does interact with the particles to do the attraction and repulsion of charged particles mentioned above and with metal plates in the Casimir effect. Could there be a way of interacting using that fact somehow, some way that is dependent on the material?
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Hi,

A Casimir effect is caused because all the mass structures need a ZPE to feed and keep up the mass itself. This means that there is a underpressure of  ZPE  inside the mass structure, because of the "consumption" of the ZPE itself. Now, if there are two metal plates towards each other, the ZPE pushes the metal plates towards each other, because there is a greater ZPE density around.
ZPE is also the source of the gravity, where two mass structures feels the drag force towards each other, so that the bigger and dense mass structure drag the smaller  mass structure nearby towards itself.

Esa



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is BlackLight's device chemically rectifying energy in Casimir confinement?
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2008, 04:06:04 PM »
Hi, since my last post on the 12th I have been organizing my thoughts into a blog http://byzipp.com/energy/while following a hunch regarding BlackLight'shttp://www.blacklightpower.com/ claims of breakthrough energy.

It was recently confirmed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg by Rowan University that the special nickel - aluminum alloy product delivered to them from Blacklight for analysis released about 200 times the energy needed for electrolysis of the small amount of hydrogen contained in the sample catalyst.

Rowan could find no other explanation for the energy levels as the alloy appears unchanged and reusable BUT the secret preparation of the alloy is done in house at BlackLight. Even if the secret process turns out to be under unity the amount of hydrogen consumed still represents a breakthrough in fuel cell energy density.

 BlackLight also claims production of hydrogen products called hydrino hydride compounds (HHC's) with electrons existing at lower than normal ground states, while ridiculed, the energy density seen at Rowan for the amount of hydrogen consumed supports their claims and makes me wonder if their alloy powder happens to form Casimir plates at a microscopic level. The BlackLight website says their alloy  is a modified form of Rayney Nickel and a simple google search confirms the recipe  leaches out the powder grains to form microscopic cavities. The porous grains of powder are on a scale consistent with casimir plates and therefore a certain fraction would be expected to result in a cavity where the vacuum fluctuations are restricted. My theory is that a chemical reaction performed in this confinement field could allow the electron to fall below normal ground in proportion to how much the vacuum fluctuations are restricted. Essentially providing a chemical form of rectification to harness the difference in ZPE inside the confinement field vs outside. Unlike an electron hungry cation in a normal fuel cell this "hydrino" would attain a super relaxed electron radius while in containment which would immediately become stressed by the change in ZPE upon exiting the containment field. Intuitively one would think exiting the containment field would demand energy equal to the energy gained which is why I am focusing only on products of reactions that occur inside the field as a chemical rectifying agent and energy transport.



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is BlackLight's device chemically rectifying energy in Casimir confinement?
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2008, 04:06:04 PM »
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