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Author Topic: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination  (Read 80186 times)

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2009, 09:07:17 PM »
Okay!  here you go ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rbxqmk3GH0

Luc

Great Luc,

Thanks for posting the video.  As you can tell from my pics of my Keppe housing ... looking at the bearings ... my magnets will rotate end-over-end long ways, N-S, but your construction is very similar. 

Thanks again LUc,

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2009, 09:43:51 PM »
Why not attach a belt from the rotor of the keppe motor to a rotor of a generator to get some usable energy?  You could glue the bar magnets together as usual but then also glue some plastic fittings so the rotor is circular and a belt will fit.  The keppe motor could supposedly run itself and the generator at the same time right?

HI,

My understanding is that the Keppe motor is best at delivering torque and as such would be best at driving mechanical loads like fans, pumps and of course generators.  Yet in one of the videos they are shown harvesting electrical power from the motor's circuitry and charging a battery.  But still I think it is best at driving a mechanical load.  I purchased the manual and am also building a motor as seen in pictures from my earlier posts.  I will  mount the motor housing on a second set of motor shaft bearings and attach a moment arm to measure motor torque (reaction torque) via a scale (same as in one of the Keppe videos). 

It is my understanding that a 'complimentary' torque is generated by the 'complimentary' scalar energy harvested at resonance of the pulsed DC power to the the motor ( I like the word "harvested").  But this is a common principle used for other self-charging technologies like Bedini's and Newman's.  The difference(s) seem to me is, again, to be that the motor is built specifically for torque from scalar energies and not for charging batteries or making power from mass.

Peace,

Greg

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2009, 10:00:44 PM »
how about build the rotor of a generator around the rod that goes through the rotor of the keppe motor so that they are the same thing basically

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2009, 07:29:03 AM »
how about build the rotor of a generator around the rod that goes through the rotor of the keppe motor so that they are the same thing basically

Oh, I forgot to say that the load will be a fan on the motor shaft ... just like in one of the videos.  Eventually a generator might be in order, but for measurement sake it would be difficult to determine the output of such a small motor using a generator because of the losses and all of such a small generator.  A fan is actually a good way to load up a small motor like a Keppe demonstration motor.  They say it produces more equivalent output power than it consumes so I could use a small PM motor as a generator as a load through a resistor.  Still I'll need the reaction arm and gram scale for a truer power determination.

Greg

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2009, 05:32:22 AM »
HI all,

As of the moment of this writing, you can download the Keppe Motor Manual for FREE at the Keppe Motor Club

http://keppemotorclub.bestforumpro.com/forum.htm

Select the 'General Forum'.  I don't think you even need to log in  Look for the posting by Abrakadabra.

I had to pay $50.00 for the thing!  So get it while it's hot.

Greg

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2009, 07:07:33 AM »
Thanks for the tip gmeast.

I have just downloaded the manual and I must say I would be very pissed off if I had paid 50 bucks for the thing. The principles behind this design have been well known for a long time. What he has done is put a magnet inside a coil and pulsed the dc to the coil so the magnet would rotate. Instead of a commutator he uses a magnet and a reed switch, nothing new in that either.

Altogether a fizzer. I am not impressed.

Hans von Lieven
« Last Edit: April 01, 2009, 09:47:56 AM by hansvonlieven »

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2009, 02:33:34 PM »
http://rapidshare.com/.....
that can be downloaded from more than 10 times...

Sorry, had to ban the download of copyrighted material..!
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« Last Edit: July 07, 2009, 03:40:32 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2009, 05:22:36 PM »
Thanks for the tip gmeast.

I have just downloaded the manual and I must say I would be very pissed off if I had paid 50 bucks for the thing. The principles behind this design have been well known for a long time. What he has done is put a magnet inside a coil and pulsed the dc to the coil so the magnet would rotate. Instead of a commutator he uses a magnet and a reed switch, nothing new in that either.

Altogether a fizzer. I am not impressed.

Hans von Lieven

HI,

...yeah, well I better see the same scope capture waveform shown in the manual with this demonstrator motor AND the dyno performance or they will hear from me ... but that won't do any good anyway because the moderators never answer any questions ... at least not since I've been a member.  It seems as though the "Keppe Motor Team" has fallen asleep at the wheel when it comes to their own forum.

BUT, I will give it the benefit of the doubt for now because they do claim that running it under load, at "resonance" is when you hit the 'sweet spot' and that may be so.  And they do make the distinction that this motor is for producing mechanical power, not recharging batteries 'a la Bedini ions' and that it harvests energy from the 'vacuum of space - scalar compliment' not from copper wire mass 'a la Newman'.  So there are fundamental differences in both theory and operation even though the construction appears basic and non-innovative ... maybe that's the key.  I have also noted in the video where they show the reaction arm and scale for torque, that they refer to the "electromagnetic turbo system".  If that (whatever it is) is part of the 'operating principle' then they need to include those specifics in the manual ... or the download manual (the one I paid 50 bucks for $$$$!@#!)  misrepresents ... no matter what kind of disclaimer they include.

WHEW !

Greg

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2009, 06:07:38 PM »
Thanks for the pics Greg, nice work!!! I am also building a Keppe Motor, I will be sure to share my progress with you guys here. I do have the one for sale up and running and it works great. Has anybody tried to influence the motor with a large magnet? I held a huge round earth magnet near the running motor and it actually speeds up a great deal. You have to find the "sweet spot" but I doubled and even tripled my rpms.

Best,

Will

Hi Will,

Do you have any pictures or videos of the one you have for sale?

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2009, 08:17:17 PM »
Has anybody tried to influence the motor with a large magnet? I held a huge round earth magnet near the running motor and it actually speeds up a great deal. You have to find the "sweet spot" but I doubled and even tripled my rpms.

Best,

Will

Hi Will,

I do have a large round magnet and I tried it on my motor with not much luck. I had to change my commutator (used in video demo) to a reed switch which is much more stable. I noticed one spot that increased the RPM but that is close to the reed switch area. Nowhere else did I find an increase, it was actually a decrease. I think what could be happening is the magnet is keeping the reed switch closed for a longer period but this would use more power from the source.

If you don't agree and you get an increase at areas away from the reed switch please do a video demo of this with an amp meter attached so we can see your results.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc


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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2009, 10:17:32 PM »
G'day all,

I am working on a diagrammatic representation of the motor that shows clearly how it works. I will upload it here when it's done.

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2009, 11:25:56 PM »
As promised, here it is:

The Keppe Motor

 
The motor is basically a permanent magnet inside a coil. When the coil is energised the magnet will align itself with the magnetic field inside the coil.

To get the contraption to rotate Keppe pulses the current going through the coil. He does this via a small commutator disk with a small magnet attached. As the magnet passes a reed switch the circuit is closed and the coil energised for a brief moment.

There is nothing new or original here. His theory is crap.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2009, 02:30:54 AM »
Hi all,

I thought I'd post some pics of my setup.  I got the motor running and completed the test fixture yesterday.

#12 shows the motor running under a load in its setup. You can tell it's running because the phenolic base is visible through the rotating paddle on the right side.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe12.jpg

#13 & #14 show the coil frame and reed switch support mounted for rotation so that a torque arm can be attached and used in conjunction with a gram scale to measure motor reaction torque.  This is just like in the video (very good video I must add).
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe13.jpg
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe14.jpg

#15 shows a scope trace of the motor running.  As can be seen, the battery is 7 - 8 VDC.It's running at around 480 RPM. 
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe15.jpg
It was consuming around 0.035 to 0.045 A (35-45 mA).  The damping oscillation is right around 335-340 Hz as seen on the scope capture found at lower right 

I intend to determine my input power by measuring the AC current from an isolation transformer (115VAC-12VAC) that will, in turn, get rectified and charge a large 16 VDC electrolytic cap as the Keppe motor's supply.

I will determine output power by using an adjustable eddy current (prony) brake (as a replacement for the paddle shown) to load the motor, the aforementioned torque arm and a remote tach for RPM.

When I get the rest thrown together, I'll post some more pics and make a video.

Happy experimenting,

Greg
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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2009, 06:13:46 AM »
Thanks Greg for the new pictures and sharing your first known data.

Looking forward to your other tests.

Luc

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Re: Keppe Motor simular to Newman-Bedini combination
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2009, 01:12:59 AM »
Hi everyone,

I have finished building my eddy current loading brake.  I also finished wiring a 115VAC-10VAC xformer, bridge rectifier and 65,000uF cap as my power supply to feed my Keppe motor.  Monitoring the VAC into the bridge and large cap provides an accurate reading of the input power to my Keppe motor.

Under load and with best timing there is nearly NO sparking or arcing at the reed switch ! !

The motor is running at 960 (or so) RPM.

I have adjusted the timing of my Keppe motor for best power under load.  I have not received my digital scale I will use to measure torque but I'll post what I have now.

Enjoy,

Greg

Here are the pictures:

This picture shows the eddy current brake used to load the Keppe motor.  As the magnet on the screw moves closer to the spinning aluminum disc, the motor gets loaded.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe18.jpg

This picture shows the timing adjustment used to produce best power under load.  Notice the spikes going MOSTLY negative
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe16.jpg

This picture shows a large volume of negative going spikes at the beginning of the stator coil oscillation.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe17.jpg

The next picture shows the stable AC power at 12.46V-RMS feeding the bridge and cap.  It is nearly perfect sine wave ... suitable for computing input power.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe20.jpg

The next picture shows the transformer, bridge rectifier, cap and back of my Keppe motor.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe19.jpg

This last picture is the current my Keppe motor is drawing while running at 960 RPM under load and producing the above scope captures.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/keppe/keppe21.jpg

 

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