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Burning water video
« on: September 19, 2008, 05:20:27 AM »
This video is  great how crob227 can burn
water  with high frequency pulses.

It seems to be simular to the Kanzius RF saltwater burn effect.

crob 227 uses some baking sods in his water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od2np5Voba4

Also check out his latest other video.
Very interesting !
Regards, Stefan.

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Burning water video
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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 08:50:36 PM »
Stefan:

Great video!  The others are very good too.  Does he mention the freqs anywhere?  If he did, I didn't see them.  Thanks for posting this.

Bill

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 09:07:33 PM »
Nothing to do with RF for splitting  the water to gas.
her : it is only an arc-light burning. (as carbon-arc- light)


No value !
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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 09:07:33 PM »
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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 11:12:59 PM »
@ pese:

Is that why it only works when he adds the graphite (carbon) from the pencil?  And then it burns out and he has to add more?  Interesting observation.  I was wondering why he used a pencil.

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 06:23:14 AM »
Being a licensed Radio Amateur myself  I have had very much interest in this experiment  but I do not have 300 Watts available
and 100 Watts may not be enough.
But here is a link that explains it all  those that have doubts please read.
http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf
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This video is  great how crob227 can burn
water  with high frequency pulses.

It seems to be simular to the Kanzius RF saltwater burn effect.

crob 227 uses some baking sods in his water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od2np5Voba4

Also check out his latest other video.
Very interesting !
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 05:06:31 PM »
Being a licensed Radio Amateur myself  I have had very much interest in this experiment  but I do not have 300 Watts available
and 100 Watts may not be enough.
But here is a link that explains it all  those that have doubts please read.
http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf
Professor


Interesting report from an university which verifies theKanzius effect.
So it seems the main stream scieces and the universities catch up with us ! ;)

The next question must be, how we can reduce the needed power
to extract the gases from the RF splitting effect.
Maybe it would be better to wrap a coil around the water tube or
put the RF into the saltwater directly via capacitors or coils ?

We need to come down in the power level from 300 Watts
to maybe only 10 Watts.

This could probably only be done by applying the RF to a bigger
water surface, so maybe have saltwater directly sprayed onto
a RF coil carrying 13.56 Mhz ?


Maybe this will soon beat the production capacity / watt
of standard HHO electrolyzers ?

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 05:12:26 PM »
P.S: I still remember when I played with Saltwater and
pulsed positive 1200 Volts 35 Khz electrolysis that I got sometimes burnable traces on a flat plate
simular to Youtube user crob227
when I held 2 electrodes together nearby and then the pulsed current went
through the conductive saltwater trace on the table and showed some sparkling burnable
traces...
But I never unfortunately tested it with a higher power pulsed supply.

But now user crob227 has shown, that it also works with pulses and not just
a 13.56 Mhz RFsine carrier as Kanzius is using it...

As crob 227 has used baking soda NaHCO3 in his water, maybe this works
better at lower powerlevels than NaCl in water ?

This still has to be tested.
Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2008, 08:24:28 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 06:32:12 PM »
@ pese:

Is that why it only works when he adds the graphite (carbon) from the pencil?  And then it burns out and he has to add more?  Interesting observation.  I was wondering why he used a pencil.

Bill
Jes you seen right, but that 1,5mm is only (at first) to make "smaller" the "arc-gap" so the "choosen" working-voltage
can fire the whole way, and burn after starting. Possibly an (isolated) Ball-pen will do the same ---

Pese

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 09:42:09 PM »
Stephan,
I have been involved with the Rife Movement that started about 10 years ago and it was aiming towards destroying Cancer by frequency.
An Argon filled Quartz Tube was exited by Rf  27Mhz CB Set with a linear Amp and the plasma was then amplitude modulated by
specific frequencies those that were resonant with the virus or Bacteria. James E Bare D.C. resurrected the Idea.
RCA Victor build these devices in the 30's and the medical profession used them until as usual  the AMA (I wont get into details here )
as you all can look it up on the net,told the Doctors to rid themselves of these Devices or they no longer would be able to practice.
Anyway I am getting off the Subject I have build this device and used it ever since.
My Ham Radio although it covers all Bands it is limited to 100W .The Rife setup is 27Mhz and 100W Linear .
I tried exactly what you suggested and inductively iCoupled  the conventional way by using 5 Turns of copperwire   around a vessel filled with Saltwater.Going through a Matching network I was able to get a very low SWR ,but with 100W at 27Mhz there was no reaction.
I do not think that the 13.56 Mhz is of any significance but somewhat discouraged  I had gotten away from that Idea and spent to much time arguing and defending myself here on this Forum.
I think I have to go back and try it again using different squarewaves as  modulation. I may also want to submerge this Argon tube in Water  as you can modulate a Plasma way up in frequencies that you can only  achieve with transducers but those are frequency specific a Plasma is not. The other idea was to Wind a SS Coil submerge it in water with a plate or tube on each end  and couple it to the  Rf Tank Circuit. Rife resonates the Cancer  or Virus at his resonant frequency to rupture its cell wall Kanzius injects gold or Carbon nano particles into the Cancer Cell  which absorbs it and the  Rf heats it up like a Microwave oven only at this frequency it is safe to the healthy tissue destroying only the parts that were absorbed by the nano particles.Both principles work, however with Rife there is no  invasive action needed.
Since Cancer and Bacteria mutates  ever so often ,thus making it very difficult to find the exact frequency for the virus i.e. Bacteria, we use the shotgun Effect by sweeping the frequency to either side according to the  last known Rife Frequency List.This is very Time consuming, and if you sweep to fast the cancer  you wont get any positive results. Without Rif's Microscope we have no way to experiment and  observe a live Bacteria  being eviscerated.
No doubt Kanzius research  will be sidelined  just like Rife's.When you can make 380.000 Dollars on average on the treatment of a Cancer Patient why would you be satisfied with like 1 Dollar worth of electricity?  This does not make any economic sense.I hope I am wrong ! The biggest holocaust is when the AMA forbade the use of this technology.Millions of people died because of its suppression.
I have seen the results of it on my own Animal (Dog that had Cancer) but I can not speak about it and neither are others.
Thats all I will say.
I will report back if I have positive Results on the H2O scheme of things.
professor
Interesting report from an university which verifies theKanzius effect.
So it seems the main stream scieces and the universities catch up with us ! ;)

The next question must be, how we can reduce the needed power
to extract the gases from the RF splitting effect.
Maybe it would be better to wrap a coil around the water tube or
put the RF into the saltwater directly via capacitors or coils ?

We need to come down in the power level from 300 Watts
to maybe only 10 Watts.

This could probably only be done by applying the RF to a bigger
water surface, so maybe have saltwater directly sprayed onto
a RF coil carrying 13.56 Mhz ?


Maybe this will soon beat the production capacity / watt
of standard HHO electrolyzers ?

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 10:03:38 PM »
Sorry I have to say you are wrong.
The Carbon you are talking about are Carbon Nanoparticles or Gold nanoparticles that are begnine to the human body and they are injected right into the cancer cell which will absorb them. Then the RF will heat these nanopaticles up , as they are highly conductive and excitable to rf which in turn destroys the cancer .
The whole principle was demonstrated on U tube and everywhere else. Remember him injecting the Nanoparticles into a  Liver that he had on a table? Unless you were referring to the water arc experiment in which case I agree with you as the pencil line was the conductive pass however it seems to produce a plasma which could be contributed to the water like the water spark plug.
professor
Jes you seen right, but that 1,5mm is only (at first) to make "smaller" the "arc-gap" so the "choosen" working-voltage
can fire the whole way, and burn after starting. Possibly an (isolated) Ball-pen will do the same ---

Pese
« Last Edit: September 21, 2008, 10:25:00 PM by professor »

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 10:50:10 PM »
Hi Professor,
very interesting news from you regarding the Rife technology.

Yes, it is a shame, that it is not more widely used in cancer treatment.

Please post all the movie links and URLs regarding this and the
Liver movie link. I did not see this yet.

Well, maybe the small graphite trace on the table has then a catalytic effect
as the RF heats it up and the saltwater will then better ignite ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2008, 05:41:34 AM »
hi Stefan
I think I created this misunderstanding by misinterpreting Pese's and Pirate 8879 comments which were referring to the Video you posted showing the pencil trace that the current followed. I thought Pirate and pese were referring to the Kanzius Video.
I do not save Links I just download any pertinent movies but if one searches I am sure it is still on Utube that's where I saw it.
There is so much information out there and I guess I am spreading  too thin.
Rife and its forums have occupied all my previous years, but with the Gas prices being as they are,my interest has now slightly shifted.
Should the Need arise I will quickly revert back to the Rife Set up.
For now thank god all is well and the cowboys that were to come up from Texas to beat me up  for my views have not shown up either.
I guess they are busy cleaning up after the hurricane. Lol.....
Picture 2 shows Cell Wall Rapture and evisceration of rotifier by plasma Wave (credit to you Dr.Bare)
Stefan Just found the link for you  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIq4xcq2Ojo
another one shows the views of the radio amateur community  http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=160548
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Hi Professor,
very interesting news from you regarding the Rife technology.

Yes, it is a shame, that it is not more widely used in cancer treatment.

Please post all the movie links and URLs regarding this and the
Liver movie link. I did not see this yet.

Well, maybe the small graphite trace on the table has then a catalytic effect
as the RF heats it up and the saltwater will then better ignite ?

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2008, 06:17:41 AM by professor »

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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2008, 12:45:13 PM »
Hi

         The 13.56Mhz  is in the narrow band that has been set aside for welders and other equipment that use hi power rf it is also laden with large amounts of harmonics, so the band was set and I believe it is on a international level so that the equipment developed can be used any where.  Those of you that are ham radio bods know that this would play havoc with communications equipment, well that’s the info that I have, some of these units can put out 10-20kw of RF.
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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2009, 01:11:05 PM »
I personally don't think that there is any mystery to how the cancer cells are killed, as it is simply a matter of the metallic nano particles heating up within the cancerous cell and so causing it's demise. It works on the same basic principles as an induction furnace.  What is interesting however, is why or how the cancerous cells are targeted by the nanoparticles.

But, I digress.

My reason for posting was with reference to the saltwater burning discovery made by Kanzius. This really is an interesting phenomena, but while everyone seems more concerned with power in vs power out, the real interesting thing here is the science.

No one has discussed or even commented on the electrochemistry involved here - or it's implications.

I find this a little strange given that what is occuring can no way be compared to standard, everyday electrolysis. In fact the electrochemistry side is the biggest mystery here, but no one seems to see it.  Even so-called scientists are not touching on this aspect of Kanzius burning saltwater.

Somewhere I read that this could potentially be the biggest discovery in science for the last 100 years, and I've got to say I tend to agree. As I metioned elsewhere, this discovery - once the electrochemistry has been evaluated and understood - could actually shed light on the mysteries of Meyers WFC, which to date (if genuine) tends to evade science and understanding.

Like the Prof, I don't think that the 13.56MHz RF is of major significance, as this is simply one of the frequencies allocated to medical research - and it would have to be one hell of a coincidence for this to be the exact and only frequency required to produce the Kanzius effect.

Power is also something of an issue, as Kanzius was apparently generating 300W, but most of this would have been bypassing the small test tube in his set up, which would lead me to think that much less power could be employed if focussing the RF, just to where it is required. Hence a purpose built RF transmitter might well be far more efficient.


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Re: Burning water video
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2009, 02:47:41 PM »
Yes, I agree,
maybe this way using RF we could build much better Elektrolysis devices
which will generate HHO and this will generate more HHO per Watt
to be get a much better mileage in our cars.

Does anybody experiment with this principle already to generate huge amounts of HHO ?

 

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