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Offline X00013

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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2008, 10:26:12 PM »
Wow, Nice Hompage, My Compliments To You. It would be cool if Stef had a "members" homepage list. There are so many memberes here with great homepages like yours,  explaining all there personal work/ builds and passions. It would be like a "great big reading cookie jar" for myself and alot of others I believe.  Right now I'm on Neos and saltwater. When I get sick of that I'm looking into this device, Thanks Again 13

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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2008, 11:10:52 PM »
Wow, Nice Hompage, My Compliments To You. It would be cool if Stef had a "members" homepage list. There are so many memberes here with great homepages like yours,  explaining all there personal work/ builds and passions. It would be like a "great big reading cookie jar" for myself and alot of others I believe.  Right now I'm on Neos and saltwater. When I get sick of that I'm looking into this device, Thanks Again 13

Its funny, allmost in an instant when I looked on this wheel I could see that it did something spesial.
I see the whole key to unlocking the power directly from gravity.
The key is, it costs energy to move a weight up and down on the wheel because of gravity, but costs allmost nothing to move it sideways (as long as the wheel is not turning and so there is no centrifugal pull). Still, if you can for allmost no energy move a weight sideways on a wheel, you can create potensial energy allmost out of nothing (allthough I insists on calling gravity a force, which is the suplier of energy).
In my eyes (allthough I might be wrong) it would be easy to create an increasing momentum on the inner wheel while the outer wheel sends the weights back to allmost the same height but with more momentum, which can be fed back to the inner wheel by some mechanical power transfer (a rubber band for instance).

Have I completely lost touch with reality or is there something into this?

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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2008, 01:37:57 AM »
@ Sprocket,

The Opera browser does not seem to be recognising the </h1> tag at the end of the headline. Download the page as is. Go into the saved version of the html with notepad. At the beginning of the headline change <h1> to <h3> then go to the end of the headline and delete </h1><h3> Next, save and reload the saved page into the browser. Should work now.

@ X00013

Member's web sites are linked with an icon under the member's avatar on the left hand side.

@ Nabo00o

You are correct in saying that the separation of the systems makes additional energy available, but this energy must be reversed and fed back into the system. Good boy, you seem to be grasping what I am trying to say.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2008, 04:17:21 AM »
Hans,
Excellent work. This is very interesting. I still do not see the need for the lever arm. I think the 'slop' could  be in the transfer weight slots. The output from each rotating wheel could be directed to two independent shafts that could be geared 1:1 together and provide continuous torque without jumping. I will have to give this some more thought. Thank you for the great presentation.

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 04:30:16 AM »
I think if you make the transfer slots more triangle shaped for both counter rotating wheels you could get the left side to release the weight slight sooner than the right side and this would add to the torque. The slots need to be more like the relic pictures. Wish I had more free time as this would be easy to make out of some cheap cutting board plastic material for a proof of concept design. So many projects. So little time.

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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 05:02:39 AM »
Hi Hans,

I like the way you are examining this design in detail. Very nice.

This looks like it is going to be a complex build.Thanks for sharing your ideas.

You are probably dreaming about it in your sleep.

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 05:50:52 AM »
G'day Hans....
If you want a hand with a build let me know.
Cheers mate
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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 06:12:19 AM »
G'day all,

In order of sequence, no favouritism here  ;D

@ Hydrocontrol,

The lever arm and the counterweight is a poor engineering solution. I said so in my paper. I only used it as it illustrates the forces at work. At the moment I am working on a much more elegant way to accommodate the design's requirements. The slot arrangements are tentative. It was easy to draw and shows the concept, that's all. I will give your ideas some thought.

@ResinRat2,

Btw. Who is ResinRat1  ???  The wife I hope  ;D

G'day Dave.

Yes mate you are right I am eating, sleeping, drinking, dreaming, and #@%%$^& this project. In a way I am no different to you, get stuck into it, tell the world at the risk of getting egg on your face and push to get this *##$&^#@ sorted out.

It is good to hear from you, thanks for your comments.

@scotty,

G'day mate,

I am honoured to have you on board if you wish Scotty. The quality of your work is exemplary and speaks for itself. I will get in touch via E-mail and we can discuss how we can make this thing real.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 10:52:57 AM »
@ Nabo00o

You are correct in saying that the separation of the systems makes additional energy available, but this energy must be reversed and fed back into the system. Good boy, you seem to be grasping what I am trying to say.

Hans von Lieven

Exactly! You need to reverse the direction in which the outer wheel turn's before it is transferred to the inner wheel, this can be done by twisting a rubber band, so that it pulls in the opposite direction.
The other problem I see is that you only want the inner wheel to steadly turn and even accelerate, but without the outer wheel to follow the same pattern. This can be done by using a simple bicycle-chain setup which only transferres power in one dircetion and moves freely in the other.
This way the outer wheel can do its stop- and pull action while the inner wheel continiusly turns and collects more and more power.
What'd you think? Is this achievable?

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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 07:41:57 PM »
G'day Nabo00o,

A bicycle wheel employs simply a ratchet drive, If you look closely at the drawing you can see a ratchet drive incorporated in the design.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 08:35:41 PM »
I have followed the posts of Hans for a long time. He has always appeared to me as a skilled knowlegeable man, who speaks his mind and does not tolerate any Bullshine. so to me it is interesting that he feels the need to put a name to the originator of this device. This to me suggests that Hans also has a poetic or artistic side, which to me makes him more human. More power to your elbow, Hans.

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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2008, 11:21:42 PM »
@ Hans:

This is wonderful!  I wondered what you had been up to lately.  Once again, your research and your attention to detail have payed off.  This opens up an entire new line of thinking for me, and probably many others.  I have sketches of my original attempt at a "gravity" wheel from back in high school. (long, long time ago)  After much research, I found I had only been trying what others had for many years and failed to make work.

This approach is elegant in its basic simplicity.  Building it will obviously not be simple but the way you clearly explained its proposed operation is easily understood.  I wish I still owned my machine shop.

Just a quick thought on the torque restrictions you mentioned.  Obviously, for proof of concept a fairly small device would be manufactured to keep initial costs down but, and correct me if I am wrong, wouldn't increasing the basic OD (outside diameter) of the wheels give an inherent increase in torque?  Similar to a lever being twice as long as another lever?

With the permission you gave, I will go to your site an download all of this information.  If I can be of any help, just ask and I will see what I can do.

Thanks for sharing all of this.  These are the kinds of projects that are worth staying up all night pondering.

I wish you the best of luck with this idea.  Excellent!

Bill

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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2008, 12:26:51 AM »
G'day Bill,

Good to hear from you.

You are right, a longer travel of the weights would increase torque. In my animation and diagrams I stuck more or less with Pop Keenies dimensions. The short travel was, I imagine, decided upon for speed.

As I said earlier, a device of this nature should be built for torque, not speed.

I will in the prototype go way beyond Pop's layout. Higher speed brings enormous problems with centrifugal forces with it that I can do without. In order to increase torque we must lengthen the travel of the weights. What the optimum travel is I have yet to determine.

Keep well Bill,
Hans

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Re: The Road to Perpetual Motion
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2008, 03:03:42 AM »
As I said earlier, a device of this nature should be built for torque, not speed.
Hans

Seems that if you get one to unit work then simply adding additional units to the same output shaft would increase torque. Increasing weights should increase torque as well. If this ever works then I think a good apllication would be to run a generator because of the size involved but I bet it will create a lot of noise with all those weight clunking around..

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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2008, 05:11:00 AM »
@ hydrocontrol,

I don't know about the noise. Most of the noise emitted by machinery is caused by the controlled explosions that power it, The actual mechanical noise is very small by comparison. As to driving a generator, why does everybody always think of generators? Apart from a few applications, like computers and such, most electricity consumed is converted to mechanical motion. If you have a motor already, why would you convert the mechanical output to electricity (with all its attendant losses) and then convert back to mechanical energy with even more losses when you can drive the thing directly?

Take air conditioning, there you have an electric motor driving a compressor. So why not drive the compressor directly? It is the same with pumps. If the wheel can be built, and I think now that it can, much of existing technology will require a re-think.

Hans von Lieven

 

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