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Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2006, 06:17:03 AM »
Giantkiller...  Good ideas - I thought I'd suggest a couple of things. :)

There's a thread hear somewhere - someone was making coils with his son.  I forget the name of the coil... but it's basically wound by taking a very long wire and "folding it in half" and then again, and again... VVVVVVVVVV <--like that... or V in your case of a two-wire wrap... a 200 ft piece would get you a 100ft dual-conductor/opposing- current winding.

I also wanted to ask if you were creating a resonate LC circuit tuned to match your input.

Peace :)

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2006, 06:43:48 AM »

1.Someone who is determined to rip off investors is hardly likely to invest a lot of money in laboratory facilities.

2. In the video Marks claims that the source of the energy his device extracts is the earth's magnetic field.  This is, I believe, correct and it is also confirmed by a statement by one of the Disclosure Project's 'insiders'.

3. The device only works when the axis of the coil is vertical and it ceases to work when the coil is turned upside down.  This is consistant with the principle that such devices function by beaming a signal into the ionosphere which is reflected back magnified.

4. In the video Marks demonstrates a bright flash of light when the output of his coil is short circuited.  This bright flash of light is a phenomenon associated with magnetic current or 'cold electricity' as it sometimes called.

5. The strange inertia effect when the coil is moved in one of the videos suggests that a motor driven commutator inside the coil is being used to switch on and off segments of the coil.  See the animated giff from the same archive for ideas how such mechanical commutation could be used to create a rotating magnetic wave from a torroidal coil.

6. The fact that a magnet needs to be connected to the coil in order for it to work is typical of all such devices since they require pulsing of permanent magnets.


All very good points.  :)  I have been skeptical of it myself... but Steven does not appear to be gaining anything financially from this... and I can't think of any other reason to try and hoax this.

On #5 though - I don't agree that there's a mechanical force involved... ie "no moving parts".

Also... are there steel wires in his device??  The steel would become magnetized as long as the magnet was attached... if that's what it took to make the coil more sensitive... or make it "appear" closer to half-wave in size... that would explain why the device turned off when the magnet was pulled.
This makes more sense than the magnet creating current in the coil to "kick"start the thing... which I have thought, and is a good theory... but I like this one better :)

Does a magnet touching steel change the resonance of the steel?  I guess it would.  And technically it's not so much the size of the antenna... it's the mass... and the mass makes it resonate at a certain freq.
Antennas do need to be related to the size of the wave... but the resonance of the mass is what's important... it just happens that a size related the wave you want is the right mass.

A tank circuit shows anomolous spikes when the input is at the resonate freq.  Isn't this like the LC circuit in your radio... and the reason you never tune dead on a freq??  So if you tune dead on... your antenna didn't get bigger - you just made the radio a resonate LC circuit.

I guess my point is that magnetized steel may make a better receiver of the schuman freq.

Peace!

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2006, 04:20:56 PM »
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4. In the video Marks demonstrates a bright flash of light when the output of his coil is short circuited.  This bright flash of light is a phenomenon associated with magnetic current or 'cold electricity' as it sometimes called.

This type of flash matches high frequency arcing. We know that magnetic materials (soft, hard, PM's, any type) contain high frequencies typically from ~100 MHz to several GHz, but can be significantly lower. Most people are not aware of the tremendous energy exchange occurring per quarter cycle within such magnetic materials. This is Magnetocaloric energy. In some materials it's high enough to increase the materials temperature by 7 F per quarter cycle. That's a whole lot of joules. If our frequency is 50 KHz then that's 200000 quarter cycles per second. Enough to increase the materials temperature by 7 F * 200000 = 1,400,000 F in just one second !

In other words, the material radiates a tremendous amount of energy per quarter cycle, but also absorbs nearly all that energy. The trick is preventing the magnetic material from absorbing that vast amount of Magnetocaloric energy. This is typical ac current in a transformer or inductor. In legitimate "free energy" devices you'll note that in nearly every case there is an applied DC magnetic field, which flips the process and also sometimes can change it to half cycle energy exchanges instead of quarter.

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2006, 05:28:07 AM »
Hi!

The coil my son and I built was this technique.

http://www.littlemountainsmudge.com/mobiuscontinuosknot.htm

We used about one half lb  number 16 guage magnet wire.

I could feel the slight kick  in my hand turning it on.

I don't think the mobius knot is necessay.  The important thing is to wind the looped wire with a drill to get as close to 46 degrees as possible.  That way the return current crosses at 90 degrees as in the caduses coil.
This 90 degree crossing is what supposedly creates a scalar wave.  Also, some say one fold is all that is necessay.  If you have fine wire, fold it twice.

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2006, 07:34:22 AM »
tishatang... I think I might experiment with trying to twist a cable around another cable - to make two concentric coils... and see what kind of power I can get on the secondary with different configurations...

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2006, 01:01:22 PM »
I am simply trying to reproduce the SM3, SM6, SM17 coils(Steven Mark). And I feel the Telsa rotating magnetic field has some bearing on the design. Am I right Mr. Mark? If 2 coils were interacting the same way that we see everday then the buzz is normal. But we have gyroscopic properties. That tells me we have 2 benefits. This 'KICK' power collection and magnetic gyroscopy. The SM coils have this. The low frequency is one range of operation for the power. But at higher speeds I believe the gyroscopy goes alot further in other benefits. After all, Tesla mention the rotating magnetic field and he didn't waste time with idle ideas.

I have a 2nd question to Mr. Mark:
Do the 3", 6" and the 17" all have the same circuitry design with only proportional changes for size? Obvious question from a 'Monkey see, monkey do'. prospective.
I do notice that the SM3 and SM6 only have 1 switch while the SM17 has 2. Is this for a larger field timing issue, two seperate clock circuits? Also for air core design, did you use any material as a base to wrap the wire around?
Thank you.

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2006, 02:47:55 AM »
Dude, they're in the videos that Steven is demo-ing. The 3" and 6" have 1 switch and the SM17 has two. It is very clear. ;)

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2006, 11:59:23 PM »
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What is this Magnetocaloric energy that you write of?  Can we have some references please?

Hi Freedomfuel,

Magnetocaloric energy is the energy that's exchanged during the Magnetocaloric effect, an effect contained within all magnetic materials. This varies between magnetic materials. Ideally you want material that has inherently high potential energy. This amount of inherent energy is determined by crystal structure of intrinsic electron spins. Ideally, the best type of material is one where the moments are in chaos with no applied field, but turn ferromagnetic with an applied field. Such a state of chaos offers the highest potential energy state. A fully saturated ferromagnetic material offers the lowest potential state. That's why Gadolinium offers one of the best Magnetocaloric materials because at room temperature very few of the magnetic moments are in alignment. This lack of alignment offers high potential energy. When the field is applied the magnetic moments align, which is where the kinetic energy arises.

So how much energy are we talking about? Gadolinium compounds can change 7 F per 1/4 cycle. I calculated that one cubic inch of such material exchanges 115.8 J per quarter cycle, which is 463.2 J per cycle. At 100 KHz there's 46320000 (46.32 MJ) joules per second or 46.32 million watts. That is a whole lot of energy exchange per second in just one tiny cubic inch of material my friend!  Now granted iron at room temperature does not exchange that much energy, but it's not terribly far off.

So where is the energy going? IMHO most of the energy exchange occurs by radiation. What is happening is electrons and atoms are flip during avalanches. This generates a wide bandwidth of radiation typically hundreds of MHz. The electron is a magnetic moment. When it flips it generates electromagnetic waves. Most of this energy is absorbed by nearby atoms in the crystal structure.

The trick is to prevent the magnetic material from absorbing the radiation. I know a person who knows exactly how to do this. It uses conventional science. This is very real and has been known for over one month now. The only reason I can now tell you this is because this information is now secured. If I for example am removed from society then this research will be revealed in its entirety.

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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2006, 11:19:16 PM »
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What is this Magnetocaloric energy that you write of?  Can we have some references please?

Hi Freedomfuel,

Magnetocaloric energy is the energy that's exchanged during the Magnetocaloric effect, an effect contained within all magnetic materials. This varies between magnetic materials. Ideally you want material that has inherently high potential energy. This amount of inherent energy is determined by crystal structure of intrinsic electron spins. Ideally, the best type of material is one where the moments are in chaos with no applied field, but turn ferromagnetic with an applied field. Such a state of chaos offers the highest potential energy state. A fully saturated ferromagnetic material offers the lowest potential state. That's why Gadolinium offers one of the best Magnetocaloric materials because at room temperature very few of the magnetic moments are in alignment. This lack of alignment offers high potential energy. When the field is applied the magnetic moments align, which is where the kinetic energy arises.

So how much energy are we talking about? Gadolinium compounds can change 7 F per 1/4 cycle. I calculated that one cubic inch of such material exchanges 115.8 J per quarter cycle, which is 463.2 J per cycle. At 100 KHz there's 46320000 (46.32 MJ) joules per second or 46.32 million watts. That is a whole lot of energy exchange per second in just one tiny cubic inch of material my friend!  Now granted iron at room temperature does not exchange that much energy, but it's not terribly far off.

So where is the energy going? IMHO most of the energy exchange occurs by radiation. What is happening is electrons and atoms are flip during avalanches. This generates a wide bandwidth of radiation typically hundreds of MHz. The electron is a magnetic moment. When it flips it generates electromagnetic waves. Most of this energy is absorbed by nearby atoms in the crystal structure.

The trick is to prevent the magnetic material from absorbing the radiation. I know a person who knows exactly how to do this. It uses conventional science. This is very real and has been known for over one month now. The only reason I can now tell you this is because this information is now secured. If I for example am removed from society then this research will be revealed in its entirety.

Paul Lowrance


How many tesla of a field is required for this to occur? Because we are constantly immersed in magnetic fields, and they obviously don't cause this effect.

Paul, can you email me so I can read a bit more on this discovery?

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2006, 05:36:56 AM »
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How many tesla of a field is required for this to occur? Because we are constantly immersed in magnetic fields, and they obviously don't cause this effect.

Paul, can you email me so I can read a bit more on this discovery?

Hi gn0stik,

Actually the effect is present, even in Earths fluctuating magnetic field. The MCE (Magnetocaloric effect) is very well accepted in the science community and was verified ages ago. I have personally verified MCE myself. The effect works in all fields, but the effect intensity varies with field strength among various other factors.

Here's a basic description:
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae488.cfm

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What is the magnetocaloric effect and what materials exhibit this effect the most?

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Some magnetic materials heat up when they are placed in a magnetic field and cool down when they are removed from a magnetic field. This is known as the magnetocaloric effect.

This effect was discovered by E. Warburg in 1881 in pure iron. The size of the effect has been around .5 to 2?C per Tesla change in magnetic field. One Tesla is about 20,000 times the earth's magnetic field.

Recently, alloys of gadolinium, germanium and silicon have produces a much larger effect size of 3 to 4?C per Tesla change. The general equation for this material is; Gd_5(Si_xGe_1-x)_4, where x=0.5.

Experimental refrigerators based on the magnetocaloric effect have been tested in laboratories using magnetic fields of around 5T produced by superconducting magnets. http://www.cfs.me.uvic.ca/PAGES/amr.html

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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2006, 05:00:59 PM »

So how much energy are we talking about? Gadolinium compounds can change 7 F per 1/4 cycle. I calculated that one cubic inch of such material exchanges 115.8 J per quarter cycle, which is 463.2 J per cycle. At 100 KHz there's 46320000 (46.32 MJ) joules per second or 46.32 million watts. That is a whole lot of energy exchange per second in just one tiny cubic inch of material my friend!  Now granted iron at room temperature does not exchange that much energy, but it's not terribly far off.


Then the question remains if you where to apply an alternating (AC) electromagnetic field at the given 100Khz to a 1^3" cube of Gadolinium. What would be the input wattage required to achieve overunity heating of the material? This is a overunity heat producing technology correct? Is it more efficient then say common heating elements? I'm quite intrigued by anything that can produce quantifiable anomalous heat. Please keep us all in the loop as you release more data.

Thank you for this new avenue of interest,
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2006, 07:40:43 PM »
Hi Dingus and everyone,

There is nothing terribly special about Gadolinium as far as magnetocaloric effect except it's generally twice as effective as iron, roughly speaking.

The energy that I have been referring to comes from potential energy within the magnetic material. To get a very basic understanding where this energy is coming from just take two disc magnets that are opposing each other; i.e., their fields cancel out and the repel each other. Now allow the magnets to rotate so they align and you will see the magnets will accelerate as they rotate. That is magnetocaloric energy.

The amount of input energy really depends on the materials Permeability and Hysteresis. The input energy is usually an infinitesimal amount of energy compared to the energy exchanges occurring within the magnetic material.

The idea of this research is not to collect the energy in the form of heat. Rather, it is to collect the energy in the form of electricity!  A great deal of this internal magnetocaloric energy exchange is in the form of electromagnetic radiation. There are a lot of specific reasons why nearly 100% of this energy remains within the material.

1. The field is inside the material and therefore shorts out the field. Have you ever taken a magnet and then shorted its entire loop path with soft iron? You will see that nearly all the magnetic field no longer escapes the magnet because the iron is shorting its field.
2. Such radiation for most magnetic materials is for the most part in the hundreds of MHz. This high frequency radiation is easily absorbed by the magnetic material.
3. When the electron flips it precesses a great deal at a high rate and loses a lot of energy in the form of friction. You can prevent this by guiding the spin in 90-degree increments.

I mentioned that nearly 50 megawatts of energy is exchanged in Gadolinium and roughly 25 megawatts for iron. That sounds like a lot and you are probably wondering why the material does not explode with heat. As mentioned, when the applied field is removed the material experiences an opposite effect, cooling. This happens because the vibrating atoms knock the spins back out of alignment. This requires energy. So picture an atom hitting the other atom, which applies force. This force knocks the electron spin out of alignment. So the atom that hit the other atom slows down.

BTW, the person from NASA who contacted me confirmed my theory. He agrees on the second half of my theory, but does not understand the first half. I firmly believe this is because he is accustomed to thinking terms of "terms" and mathematics. It is a pity the way Nikola Tesla thought is a rarity. Basically the NASA guy calls it an "energy exchange" where as I describe the step-by-step process in detail.  Nikola Tesla knew how the think. You break down the fundamental forces and simulate every step in your mind.  For example, the subatomic world is not so simple as drawing a nice little wiggly photon moving from one particle to the next. It simply does not work that way! No particle can absorb 100% of another particles energy. That is such a basic concept that is even proven mathematically and by studying wave fundamentals. If I had the time and anyone who was interested I could explain this in a step-by-step process using very well accepted science. Wrap a coil around any magnetic material, hook it up to your speaker amplifier system, and hear the avalanche noises when a magnet is moved toward and away the iron demonstrates that not all the radiation is being absorbed.

Regards,
Paul Lowrance

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Re: Steve Marks Device May Be Authentic
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2006, 03:41:29 AM »
paul,

what does moving a magnet toward, or away from the speaker actually do?  when you approach it with the magnet i'll give you ther is a current appearently induced.  when you move the magnet away i'll give you there is apparently a current induced.  but what happens when you take the magnet close and just set it down?

lol
sam

ps: how do you think this applies to the magnetocaloric effect?

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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2006, 06:33:12 AM »
giantkiller,

sorry, i guess i was thinking of myself, there for a minute, as a magnetic wave outside the loop.  i was cruising around, when i bumped into this really huge dude, and i realized i hadn't eaten in a real long time and was about to run out of energy.  well thank goodness this bad dude was only, non-other-than, the EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD, WHEW, i thought i was a goner and this dude fed me and sent me back!

lol
sam

ps: of course when i got back i was full, but that didn't really help me in the crunched up quarters of the middle of the TOROID!

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