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| BANDI:
It works with Pausons balloons... |
| MasterPlaster:
--- Quote from: telecom on May 31, 2014, 04:25:40 PM ---Can you please elaborate on barium??? --- End quote --- Our betters are blanketing the skies with it. That is good enough reason for me but Bedini was using Barium ferrite magnets in his kits. Wooton or some name like that was using barium resonators. I am no sure if this was also used in VTA. Barium, atomic weight 137.327 according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium When ever you see 137 pay attention. 137 needs a website of its own buy you start from here http://www.fotuva.org/online/frameload.htm?/online/137.htm Also google it. |
| thx1138:
I have spent quite a bit of time on Tesla's radiant energy collector but never built the TREC. As far as I know Lawrence Rayburn never got it to work but I haven't looked at it for over a year on their yahoo group. I asked for an update and never resceived a reply. I have several problems with the TREC. The first is cost. I'm not willing to sink $6000+ into something that the originator can't get working. He was a lineman so had access to a lot of salvaged heavy duty electrical equipment. I would have to buy it all new. That's what the $6000 number above is based on. He also has some problems with his theory. He says it creates "an ionized channel to the ionosphere." An "ionized channel" would be ions which are matter and the jet stream with its 250+ MPH winds lies between the top of his 40 ft tower and the ionosphere so I don't see how that is going to work and especially so on a passive system. I did get a collector based on Tesla's patent working but didn't get any serious power . I got milliAmps but I did get it night and day and had some very interesting experiences. The importance of insulating the elevated plate can't be emphasized enough. It provides two functions. The first is that it protects against lightning strikes. Hang a metal plate in the sky and connect it to ground and you have a lightning rod like Benjamin Franklin's. Franklin's works because it has a point at its highest extremity and the air around that point ionizes due to the charge from the ground connection. That ionized air is more conducting that the surrounding air so it provides a better path to ground for the lightning. Totally insulating the plate prevents that ionization from occuring and since it is insulated the plate does not provide a path to ground for the lightning. It is also important to insulate the connectors and wires coming down from that plate for the same reason. Any points on any of the connections will create ionization even small burrs on the wire, bolts, etc. The second function the insulation provides is charge separation. The charge is delivered to the plate by natural radiations of solar, cosmic, and naturally occuring atmospheric phenomena in the form of charged particles. Note the 4th drawing in the patent. In the text he describes using a Roenken (X-ray) tube, i.e. ionizing radiation. That charge is collected in the conducting plate and you don't want it neutralizing with oppositely charged particles in the air. You want it to conduct toward the charge being obtained from the ground so it will be stored in the capacitor. For the same reason you don't want the charges from the ground neutralizing with opposite charges in the air or soil so insulate the wire connecting them to the buried ground plate. Only leave the ground plate itself uninsulated. For reference, I used high density polystyrene - not the foam boards you get for home insulation. The better the dielectric properties of the insulation on the the elevated plate, the better the results you will get. I originally used a spray on insulation. When I changed to polystyrene sheets sealed around the edges I got almost 3 times better results. An interesting experience with the grounding system occurred thus: I was using 5/8" X 10' copper sheathed ground rods. I got pretty good readings, relatively speaking, in the winter and early spring. I had to put the project aside for a while and didn't get bak to it until mid summer. When I started taking readings again they were all over the place, inconsistent, but generally lower than my previous readings. I thought about it for a while and it came to be that the only thing that had changed was the position of the sun relative to the horizon. I'm in the northern hemisphere so it was closer to the horizon in the south during the winter and spring. My installation was on the north side of my house to it was in the shade at those times. But in the summer the sun was directly overhead and shining directly on the soil where the ground rods were installed. I pulled the ground rods, insulated the top 4' with heatshrink tubing and reinstalled them, insulating the connections and the wire from the ground to the circuit. Bingo! I was much closer to my previous readings. The charged particles were entering the soil and neutralizing the ground charge as is passed through the top couple of feet of the copper on the rod. These experiences point out that the charge is not the static charge in the atmosphere. This is radiated charged particles. So it's not the same as Plauson's balloons. That does, however, raise the question of the height of the elevated plate. Tesla says the higher the better and that raise another problem. Most people don't realize it but his initial plan for transmitting indistrial scale power was between tethered balloons maintained at 30,000 feet. Read the patents. It's there. He also did a demonstration for a patent examiner where he used a tube with the air density and pressure reduced to simulate the atmosphere at that altitude. He also mentions extracting hydrogen from the air to maintain the balloons at altitude in his Colorado Springs notes. But that raises the question, was he talking about keeping the elevated, insulated plate at 30,000 feet? It seems likely to me. Tesla always thought on large scale. We know airline pilots and passengers are exposed to higher radiation doses because they spend more time at altitude. I took environmental readings (temperature, barometric pressure, UV exposure, realtive humidity, etc) but couldn't find any correlation to my circuit readings. I started looking at space weather and did find an inverse correlation between the readings and the solar wind density but only in the day time. The more dense the solar wind, the lower my circuit readings. At night the readings were lower but more consistent. It's like the solar wind is absorbing many of the charged particles before they reach the earth and so before they reach my elevated plate. It's like a dense cloud passing between the sun and a photovoltaic collector. Here are some sites for solar wind info http://spaceweather.com/ http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/wsa-enlil/ Another interesting experience was at night. There was a line of thunderstorms moving west to east some miles north of me. I wasn't having any rain. While I was taking the reading a cloud to cloud lightning strike occurred and really lit up my bright white insulated plate. The reading jumped over 5 times the reading before the lightning and then slowly subsided. That slowness may have been because I was using a digital self ranging meter. A little research revealed that lightning does indeed emit x-rays and gamma rays. I don't know about the barium mentioned above although I looked at it at one point but didn't try it. Tesla says the plate is "amalgamated" but he doesn't say with what material. Generally, the term means mixed with mercury and I think that the most likely in those days, it not being a controlled substance back then. He also states that the plate should be highly polished. I think that is to get as good a contact as possible between the dielectric insulation and the metal plate that acts as the electrode to facilitate charge transfer. Tesla also says that, all other things being equal, the larger the plates (elevated and ground), the more energy will be captured. That somewhat negates Rayburn's copper pipe coil. Maybe not if the spacing is done correctly. Either way, the critical thing is the insulation contacting the metal so I think flat plate would be better. I used flat aluminum. Copper may work better. |
| thx1138:
I stumbled upon this today. It backs up my observation about the inverse relationship between the solar wind and the power received at the elevated, insulated plate but on a much longer time scale. Also note that in the chart given the radiation at 80,000 feet is 200 to 500 times higher than that at ground level. It's interesting to note that Tesla originally planned his transmission of power at fifteen miles (79,200 feet). That's why he considered 30,000 feet relatively easy to access. Of course, there were no airplanes at that time either and the jet stream was unknown. http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/info/RadHaz.html More info on air crew safety: http://aircrewhealth.com/Topics/hazards/radiation.htm |
| MasterPlaster:
thx, Thank you for your updates. Here is a very informative link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity Also this is a bit unrelated but the guy is talking about some mercury amalgam used back in the days (page 1): https://archive.org/details/philtrans06113183 |
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