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Offline clone477

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Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:23:07 AM »
I see there is alot of dicussion on this subject.  Ive been a member of "onesmallstepforman" yahoo group with Lawrence Rayburn as the creator of the TREC.  Alot of details have been given out as to the theory of operation.  It has to do with the Tank Circuit of multiple nested inductors.  Primary inductors are usually Single wound, secondaries are Bifilar WITH one larger diameter wire than the other(in the bifilar)  Then The bifilar is fedback to the primary of the next set.  This is regenerative feedback circuit which Tesla talks about and experimented with in the Colorado Spring notes.  He said in those notes that this feedback circuit causes signal that are normally to "feeble" to become stronge enough to do work and power motors,ect.  Thsi is the basics of the TREC.  The whole tuner is tunable by moving the inductors one within the other as they are all build on different diameter tubes, this adjusts the amount of transformer action, the mutual inductance, and inter-capacitance fo the bifilars.  Anyways this gives you a lead point, Join the group and you will learn more, I have.  Fern

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« on: September 11, 2008, 04:23:07 AM »

Offline Koen1

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2008, 12:37:52 PM »
Quick question: Does it produce O/U?  ;)

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 12:18:53 PM »
This is what Lawrence Rayurn says:

The Tesla Radiant Energy Collector, my version, does not produce
free energy. Sure, by your definition, it is overunity because it
requires no input of energy to make it self start. God's creation
supplies that and the TREC only redirects a small stream of the
energy that is already there and flowing.

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Offline Koen1

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 03:24:09 PM »
Yes, of course, considering that we live in a vast sea of energy,
there is always some energy flowing somewhere, and it is conceivable that
some of that may be redirected.
And so, in that light, "free energy" as such is a meaningless term, and what
most of us call "free energy" would always be redirected components of the
continual energy flow through the cosmos. And so technically it is not "free
energy" nor "over unity" as the supersystem that is the cosmos already
contains and circulates the energies, so in that view there is never "over unity"
nor "free energy".

Nevertheless, when we are looking at electrical devices we generally do not
include the rest of the universe in its entirety in our calculations of energy efficiency
of the device.
If we have a device that does not need input energy fed to it by us, the users of the device,
while the device does produce output energy in a form that we can readily use,
then our efficiency calculations for the device and its input-output ratio will show that
we have a device which produces a lot more usable output than it takes input,
and that it is hyperefficient. The energy it produces may come from the universal
sea of energy somehow, but that does not change the fact that for all intents and purposes
we as earthbound humans can come up with in daily life, we have output energy that
does not require an equal amount of input energy, and so effectively it seems to be "free".
Obviously, there must be some form of exchange in the multidimensional manifold that
we in its plane we inhabit tend to call the universe, but that does not make the output
less real.

So when I ask "Is it OU?", I am asking
"does it produce significantly more output energy in usable form, than it takes
input energy fed to it by the operator?".

The answer appears to be "Yes"...

Which makes the next question:
"Ok, so please tell us how we can build one?" ;D

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 05:13:43 PM »
@Koen1


    In the final analysis we are looking for free work!

@all

        Tesla said many times that the Earth was negatively charged.  Negative compared to what?  Say we get a bunch of ionized gas that have the electrons stripped away and put them in a bottle .  So now we have a positive plate.  What happens in the zone between the earth and the positive plate.  Voltage drop.  Now if we insert two plates into this zone the voltage drop is now expressed on the two new plates differentially.
Does this discharge the Earth?  Does it stop the positive ions from being ionized?
Now the two new plates form a capacitor which is charged with radiant energy and discharged into a motor like the one he popped into his Pierce Arrow.

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Offline Koen1

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 06:37:22 PM »
@Koen1


    In the final analysis we are looking for free work!
Which we can obtain by pumping the excess "free" energy through a motor and make it do work... right? ;)

Quote
@all

        Tesla said many times that the Earth was negatively charged.  Negative compared to what?  Say we get a bunch of ionized gas that have the electrons stripped away and put them in a bottle .  So now we have a positive plate.  What happens in the zone between the earth and the positive plate.  Voltage drop.  Now if we insert two plates into this zone the voltage drop is now expressed on the two new plates differentially.
Does this discharge the Earth?  Does it stop the positive ions from being ionized?
Now the two new plates form a capacitor which is charged with radiant energy and discharged into a motor like the one he popped into his Pierce Arrow.
Okay, but if the ions in the bottle are not removed, the cap plates in between the bottle and the ground never want to discharge,
as the setup behaves like 2 capacitors: one cap consists of the bottle with positive ions in it and the pate underneath it, and one cap
consists of the plate underneath that and the ground underneath that. so basically 2 caps stacked atop eachother. If you don't discharge
the top "plate" (the bottle) and you don't discharge the bottom "plate" (the negative ground), then why would the other two plates discharge?
Won't they just behave like 2 caps in series?
I can imagine that it may be possible to have the cap charge and discharge periodically while we charge and discharge the bottle,
but then it seems very similar to an electron pump circuit where cap plates are charged by electrostatic induction from an opposing
cap plate and a diode is used to turn that into a pump, but as far as I know the input energy in such a setup is still higher than the
output energy (due to switching losses)... ???

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2013, 07:18:56 PM »
All energy is free energy. It's the conversion from one form to another in a controllable and sustainable manner that gets expensive. What Dr. Tesla was trying to develop was "fuelless" energy or energy conversion and control attained without burning fuel - in his day, coal.

Hydoelectric power is fuelless electricity obtained by converting kinect energy actuated by gravity to electrical power without cosuming fuel. It is, however, far from cheap or "free". It is also dependent on georgraphy.

His term "radiant energy" is wildly misconstrued these days. There is nothing mysterious about it.
His earliest use of the term that I could find is , “…streams resembling the cathodic must be emitted by the sun and probably also by other sources of radiant energy, such as an arc light or Bunsen burner.” That is from “Tesla’s Latest Roentgen Ray Investigations”, Electrical Review, New York 28 No.17, April 22. 1896

From “The Age of Electricity”, Cassier’s Magazine, March 1897 is this quote, "We have to evolve means for obtaining energy from stores which are forever inexhaustible, to perfect methods which do not imply consumption and waste of any material whatever."

From “Experiments with Alternate Currents of very high Frequency and their Application for methods of artificial lighting”, Lecture before the American Institute of Electrical Engineers, Columbia College, May 20, 1891 - “We are whirling through endless space, with an inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere there is energy." Here he is speaking of kinetic energy.

So what he is talking about is naturally occurring charged particles. Early on he thought about emanations from the sun but soon realized the problem of storage through the night. He later recognized that cosmic rays from celestial bodies are colliding with the earth continuosuly from all directions. Today they are known as neutrinos and high energy cosmic rays that supposedly originate from supernovae. The scientific community is still working on that.

After the discovery of radioactive materials such as radium he believed that if the material could be shielded from the cosmic rays that they would not be radioactive. Thus one can take it that cosmic rays were what he thought "activated" the radium.

Once you get into studying charged particles you come upon "nuclear batteries". One particular kind closely resembles the radiant energy collector shown in his patents.

In "Sending of Messages to Planets Predicted by Dr. Tesla On Birthday", New York Times, July 11, 1937. —Inventor, 81, Talks of Key to Interstellar Transmission and Tube to Produce Radium Copiously and Cheaply" Dr. Tesla says "...discoveries by which it will be possible to ... produce radium in unlimited quantity for $1 a pound." Why would this be important to him? In 1835 radium cost roughly £580,000 per gram in today's money. One dollar per pound is roughly $0.002 per gram. It wasn't until the 1950's that government got into regulating nuclear materials.

In a nutshell, today's nuclear power generation is what Dr. Tesla was talking about. While it is possible to convert electricity in the atmosphere caused by cosmic ray collisions with atmospheric elements for use, the amount of power obtainable in this manner by an individual is negligible. The cost of obtaining this kind of power to power a single family home just isn't affordable and once again it is dependent on geography. The higher the elevation above sea level the more power can be obtained in this manner.

I've attached a couple of documents showing my research.

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 05:11:36 PM »


 Time to check this out guys...


http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-685,953-intensifying-transmitted-effects

 Radiant energy is all around us. All we need is a way to find a signal that is stable and create a pll circuit to hold onto that signal then intensify that signal through the use of capacitors.

 There is a lot of information in this patent and pay specific attention to capacitor and the special reference made by Mr. Tesla. Listen to the terms he uses, like weak signals and amplification or intensifying these signals to do work.

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2013, 12:53:40 AM »
TH Moray appears to have built a device that he could tune into the Radiant Energy.

BEYOND THE LIGHT-RAYS Explanations of the Oscillations of Radiant Energy
www.rexresearch.com/beyond/beyond.htm

Morays device produced a high frequency AC output at about 10Kw

Chapter 7   Aerial Systems and Electrostatic Generators: Nikola Tesla's system, Thomas Henry Moray's system...

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter7.pdf


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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 03:34:22 PM »
  Does Moray ever disclose the Universal frequency?   I sometimes wonder if there is some cosmic infrared background radiation.  Even a cosmic microwave background radiation.  By the length of the antennae Moray was using it could be in the microwave bands.  The atmosphere is transparent to a number of these freqs.  With the amount of man made microwave transmissions going on nowadays with a parmetric oscillator and frequency converter you could probably drive a car around on text messaging alone.  Moray refers to a frequency above light so maybe he tuned into some  gamma radiation.  Now your talking about an antennae/observer that is below the neuclear core diameter which would have to be redshifted all the way down to 60hertz.  Only crack at this would be some sort of crystal and agitating the crystal with a vibrational frequency that brings the neuclear cores close enough to observe the miniscule electric field polarization due to the gamma. hmmmmmmmm. 

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 02:48:46 AM »

 Time to check this out guys...


http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-685,953-intensifying-transmitted-effects

 Radiant energy is all around us. All we need is a way to find a signal that is stable and create a pll circuit to hold onto that signal then intensify that signal through the use of capacitors.

 There is a lot of information in this patent and pay specific attention to capacitor and the special reference made by Mr. Tesla. Listen to the terms he uses, like weak signals and amplification or intensifying these signals to do work.
This is for a known transmission. The key to this patent is knowing the frequency of the transmission. Then this device can be used to and intensify it.
Dr. Moray said the energy he was intecepting, when connected to a headphone, sounded like waves in the ocean. I think that is a fairly literal description of radiant energy. See next post.

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 03:46:14 AM »
  Does Moray ever disclose the Universal frequency?   I sometimes wonder if there is some cosmic infrared background radiation.  Even a cosmic microwave background radiation.  By the length of the antennae Moray was using it could be in the microwave bands.  The atmosphere is transparent to a number of these freqs.  With the amount of man made microwave transmissions going on nowadays with a parmetric oscillator and frequency converter you could probably drive a car around on text messaging alone.  Moray refers to a frequency above light so maybe he tuned into some  gamma radiation.  Now your talking about an antennae/observer that is below the neuclear core diameter which would have to be redshifted all the way down to 60hertz.  Only crack at this would be some sort of crystal and agitating the crystal with a vibrational frequency that brings the neuclear cores close enough to observe the miniscule electric field polarization due to the gamma. hmmmmmmmm.
I don't think there is any "universal frequency" in radiant energy. My two years of studying only Dr. Tesla's writings on the subject leads me to believe that he is talking about high energy cosmic rays. There are several kinds - neutrinos, extreme energy cosmic rays, ultra high energy cosmic rays, and high energy cosmic rays. Neutrinos are not a consideration because they have a neutral, or nearly so, charge. These are subatomic charged particles (protons) that have traveled through interstellar space before reaching the earth. Scientists are still theorizing about their source but the most likely candicates are Gamm Ray Bursts, novae, super novae, and possibly the jets being ejected from black holes. Those are the processes that have the ability to accelerate particles to near light speed. The subatomic particles are traveling at near light speed so their energy is huge compared to their size. Dr. Tesla said the had enormous energy. He didn't add the "compared to their size" and that had me baffled for a while.

There are estimated to be 100 billion galaxies in the universe and an average of 100 billion stars in each galaxie so it's no wonder they are arriving at the earth from all directions at all times. But keep in mind that even at relativistic speeds we are talking enormous distances. So those that arrive from relatively far distances and those from relatively near distances but are arriving at the same time have no linkage. So I doubt that there is any basic frequency to them. We should not try to couple to any particular frequency but just accumulate as many impacts as possible. That's why Dr. Tesla said that the larger the elevated, insulated plate, the more power was attainable from them.

Very few, if any, of the primary ray particles reach the earth because they collide with the matter in the atmosphere, give up some of their energy to those collisions which creates other emissions, and continue on their way. I've seen estimates (and I can't remember where right now) that said they could penetrate 10's of meters of solid rock once they reach the surface.
So when we put an elevated, insulated plate up in the air and connect it to a ground conductor the ground conductor gives the plate a charge which attracts charges of the opposite polarity. When you think of the insulation, think of "dielectric insulation". The dielectric around the plate performs a number of functions. One is to align the polarities. That puts the opposite of the ground charge near the plate and the same as the ground charge on the outer surface of the dielectric which attracts charges of the opposite polarity which are those next to the plate. So the dielectric properties of the insulation used play a part in how well the system collects energy. We want as high a dielectric constant as we can get and at the same time as low a dissipation factor as possible. I'm using high density polystyrene (not the foam) at the moment. Another function it serves is to keep the charges collected in the conductors by shielding them from the atmosphere's opposite charges that would equalize with the charges collected. Everything has to be insulated, not just the elevated plate. All wires, connections, etc. must be insulated to keep what little charge that is collected inside the circuit. So the insulation has to be complete - insulate everything.

Going back to what Dr. Moray said about it sounding like waves in the ocean makes you realise that this is not DC electricity but it is surging back and forth between the ground and elevated, insulated plate. But it isn't AC electricity as we think of it as a sine wave signal. It's more like impulses as the particles strike the insulation and the plate. Never the less, it is there. Unfortunately it is very weak and since there is no regularity to the impulses there isn't really much we can do with resonance to enhance it.

What we can do is accumulate it in a condenser and at a regular period partially discharge the condenser through a quenched spark gap and with resonance and constructive intererence slowly build up useable power. The trick here is not to deplete the condenser much faster than it is charged. That rate of charge will depend on the size of the elevated, insulated plate. That also controls how fast we can use the power from the system because it determines how fast the condenser charges.

I'm working on it but slowly. I'm getting some energy but not much because I have a small test setup and my elevation above sea level is low. That is a major factor in the amount of power than can be drawn - the higher the elevation of the ground above sea level, the thinner the atmosphere and the less energy the charged particles have given up before they reach the elevated, insulated plate. The closer to sea level, the less energy is available.

Of course the fact that they are mostly dispersed by the atmosphere is a good thing. Otherwise the earth would be a cinder and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 11:30:14 AM »
This method is the real solution to free energy crisis but the magic is still missing. :-\


They really can't give it.  :(

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 12:06:20 PM »
This method is the real solution to free energy crisis but the magic is still missing. :-\


They really can't give it.  :(

The only way to use it is by small quantities spread uniformly around the world. Quite contrary to current bussiness model, ok ? You should know it better Tito,right ?  ::) Press too much and the governor (he he what a coincidence) will kill you .... Didn't you read Mythology ? [

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Re: Tesla Radiant Energy Collector TREC.
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2013, 05:49:59 PM »
This method is the real solution to free energy crisis but the magic is still missing. :-\


They really can't give it.  :(
Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no magic involved. Everything necessary to understand and implement it is right there in Dr. Tesla's patents, lectures, and interviews. It does, however, take some work to dig it out and connect the dots. It is also very easy to confuse his different systems as parts of the same system which they are not. The collection of radiant energy and the wireless transmission of energy are two different things. The former collects and converts radiant energy into electricity. The latter transmits electricity, no matter what the source of the electricity is, without wires.

 

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