I've been coming to this site for a long time but I just registered to the forum for the first time today. (i should have used my real name as my s/n and i tried to register again but was unable due to just registering this account)

Anyways, I would like to share one of my ideas with you all. I would love suggestions. I would love feedback of anykind. Like, do you think this could work or not? Maybe an explination would be nice.

I'm always thinking about stuff like this and this is not my only idea for overunity. When I get around to do some more designing I will post up my other ideas.

Anyways, this is it.

I believe with the right gear ratios on the wheels, that one wheel (or maybe two) would be enough to run the pump itself. I believe the addition wheels will produce the free electricity. I like to think of this kind of like "harnessing the power of gravity".

Will this work? Will it not? If you think so, then build it, I'll fly down and help with the whole process.

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here's the full sized image
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Good Idea, but seems to be low efficient and a little complex. Try to think about other simple devices more efficients.

Hmm....WOULDENT THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO LIFT THE OIL BE THE SAME OR MORE THAN THE ENERGY MADE BY ITS FALLING?
PUT A BALL ON TOP OF A HILL AND LET IT ROLL TO THE BOTTOM, THE SPEED AT THE BOTTOM IS THE SAME AS YOU WOULD NEED TO ROLL IT BACK UP, LESS ACTUALLY (FRICTION, AIR RESISTANCE, ECT.)

NO MATTER HOW BIG YOUR WHEELS ARE YOU WILL GET ABOUT THE SAME ENERGY, JUST A LEVER REALLY,
TRADE OFF  TIME \ ENERGY

5 UNITS OF FORCE FOR 5 MIN
OR
25 UNITS OF FORCE FOR 1 MIN
WILL DO THE SAME WORK

EXAMPLE
ROLL THE BALL UP SLOWLY TO THE TOP OF THE HILL
OR
PICK THE BALL UP QUICKLY AND SET IT ON THE HILL
EITHER WAY IT ENDS UP ON TOP OF THE HILL

Yes it will take energy to get the oil/water up there to the top, but I dont think it would take as much as would be produced. I could be wrong though. If it's not producing enough power, simply add a few more wheels to it. I know it would take more energy to push to oil up even higher, but I dont think it would be as much as it would put out.




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Good Idea, but seems to be low efficient and a little complex. Try to think about other simple devices more efficients.

You may be right, but we honestly don't know the efficiency of a device like this. I agree its a little complex, really, it's a little big is what it is. This design would be 40feet high. I'm thinking if this works like I think it could, it could be made on a bigger scale. 100+ of these things side by side all turning one big generator. Kind of designed to be a power plant for a small city/town. Everyone's not going to have one of these in there backyard, it's way to big for that. But I'm thinking it could be made into a mini power plant for communities or cities.


Anyways, there deffinetly has to be better ways to generate power, this is just one idea for the drawing board...

Hi, Chopp!

I'm afraid your idea has been considered many times in the past....

Try to Google a "Museum of Unworkable Devices", where you can find thorough explanations why such devices (self-driven waterwheels) could or could not work...

The fact is, waterwheels are relatively inefficient devices, and pumps are even worse...
And - gravity (a driving Force in such setups) is always a conservative mechanism...
So, cascading (multiple) wheels (raising height for recirculating water) or any other improvement method like innovative gearing doesn't help either.
If this principle would work, you would get perpetual motion with only one waterwheel & pump.
Sorry!

You may be right, but we honestly don't know the efficiency of a device like this. I agree its a little complex, really, it's a little big is what it is. This design would be 40feet high. I'm thinking if this works like I think it could, it could be made on a bigger scale. 100+ of these things side by side all turning one big generator. Kind of designed to be a power plant for a small city/town. Everyone's not going to have one of these in there backyard, it's way to big for that. But I'm thinking it could be made into a mini power plant for communities or cities.


Anyways, there deffinetly has to be better ways to generate power, this is just one idea for the drawing board...

Yes, that's true. We don't know the efficiency of your device, I think it can draw maybe... 100KWatt as much each unit?
Watch the next video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-tXe_jnWIs
I haven't seen entire, but I think the man is using a very similar theory as yours, and it works. You can contact with the guy and ask for more information. Maybe you can improve your desing, because I think your design needs some changes to be really effective.
Your device maybe can't power a entire city, but I'm sure that 1 device can power 2 or 3 houses. But we don't know the efficiency, so... start to build one prototype right now!!

ok now say i take the drip end

And I place a two way valve in it or a 4 way valve it is the same principal because it would take 2 or 4 times as much water but when you stack them if you just let out enough water to turn one wheel then shut the water off what would happen the same amount of water would be used thus giving tons of extra power but...
the distance changes so you have to pump it up 4x's the distance as normal...

Remedy the problem with added energy from the sun and I dont mean solar panels but essitially that is what you will have is a mechanical solar collection method and there are plenty of them out there and one big one waiting to be discussed.