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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #435 on: June 09, 2009, 06:04:09 PM »
ferroite works awesome ...

fast release times ...   

 :)   



HAHA about the slowest you can get.
try air ;)

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #436 on: June 09, 2009, 06:45:28 PM »
The magnetic bias of my iron core retained a field to pulse against at very hi speed. It was always there including when it was hit with the previous pulse. Bam, Bam, Bam. No true control. That is the explanation of the spaztic energy output. The iron was impressed at many incident angles around the surface of the wire and the circumference.
It was only meant to be an example of an early conception.
Now imagine if air had been used to gain a higher speed of operation. Jdo300 showed the paper tube tests at that point.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #437 on: June 09, 2009, 06:59:30 PM »
HAHA about the slowest you can get.
try air ;)

yes indeed and with a parabolic alum dish ...   ;D

i have air core coils ...  but

i choose to contain this unit for now  ;)

ist!
« Last Edit: June 09, 2009, 07:27:28 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #438 on: June 09, 2009, 07:05:37 PM »
If you want some PI just shove a single insulated wire into a loop of small copper tubing. Exit the other end and wrap it back onto the outside of that same tubing. The return wrap should be a low pitch, say about 45 deg. With plenty of spacing between turns. Pulse the wire and measure volts from each end of the tubing. Best to use a fast scope. If the handedness of the outer wrap is wrong you will see almost nothing.
All I'm saying is simulate the mag fields going through a single piece of wire. The fields aren't just outside the wire.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #439 on: June 09, 2009, 07:17:13 PM »
Kudos

 ;)

So, the collector or converter can be toroidal or like a ring.

If you want some PI just shove a single insulated wire into a loop of small copper tubing. Exit the other end and wrap it back onto the outside of that same tubing. The return wrap should be a low pitch, say about 45 deg. With plenty of spacing between turns. Pulse the wire and measure volts from each end of the tubing. Best to use a fast scope. If the handedness of the outer wrap is wrong you will see almost nothing.
All I'm saying is simulate the mag fields going through a single piece of wire. The fields aren't just outside the wire.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #440 on: June 09, 2009, 07:24:28 PM »
I don't have a working TPU. This was an experiment I did back when there was an argument about PI. This is also another way I found to make a loop resonate at very low frequencies.
You can get two pulses for the price of one. The tubing should only output during the rise and fall of the winding.
Don't make the loop too short. I had best results with a 15 ft piece of 1/4 inch tubing.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #441 on: June 09, 2009, 07:42:25 PM »
When you do this:

All I'm saying is simulate the mag fields going through a single piece of wire. The fields aren't just outside the wire.

you can use a toroid or a ring or even two separated conductors to convert the energy into electricity.

Hazelton used a toroid.

SM used a ring (and maybe a toroid too)

Tesla used two separated conductors in his Radiant energy convertion devices (the solar ones) to charge capacitors.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #442 on: June 09, 2009, 08:10:57 PM »
here is 1 more pic of the otto test toroide jt config unit ...

it remains unfinished ... 

i will change the config some time when i get to it ..

probally use ..  3 mk2's high self inductance high freq ... and dump the kick high freq to

3 shift coils ...  wound on this ringggggg

ist

btw this is a self induceing coil .....   

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #443 on: June 09, 2009, 08:46:34 PM »
@BEP,
As we lower the angle of the control winding we lower winding count. We get that back by using stranded wire.
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Joseph Henry's first discovery was that the power of a magnet could be immensely strengthened by winding it with insulated wire. He was the first person to make a magnet that could lift thirty-five hundred pounds of weight. Joseph Henry showed the difference between "quantity" magnets composed of short lengths of wire connected in parallel and excited by a few large cells; and "intensity" magnets wound with a single long wire and excited by a battery composed of cells in series.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #444 on: June 10, 2009, 01:50:31 AM »
Sorry GK.

I've had pretty bad luck with my TPU work but while using stranded wire my luck was about as big as a single piece of fly dung.

Like someone said a bit earlier.... good for capacitance and noise. I think I know all the reasons why it should be the way to go...just hasn't done me any good.

I think @Otto mentioned earlier... use high voltage to drive the controls. Well, the same is true for my tubing experiment. Take the number of turns around the outside of the tubing. Use that number to divide the control coil voltage. That should be your output voltage - if you hit resonance of the tubing.

Then there is that trick... figure your tube resonance by dividing the number of turns by 2 (usually works out around 1.65). Use that number to divide your 'normal' tubing resonance. There is where you should find highest output from the tubing.
The math is a little more complicated if the CC is bifilar series opposing.

Got a bug today - feel like excrement. Might as well share in case I head into that vortex  :D

If it doesn't work for ya, sorry. Got some vacation time coming. Maybe I'll finally post something interesting.




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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #445 on: June 10, 2009, 09:08:50 PM »
@all

I saw someone mentioning hiding the load from the source , I pretty sure that is what Hendershot was doing and well he is using magnet and coil for powering the thing but you remove that you get the Sweet device , those 4 coil connected together in a dual closed loop .

I think Otto is also working on some variant of this ?

I my self make it on the joule thief.


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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #446 on: June 10, 2009, 10:40:57 PM »
 
Please pardon the interruption guys  8)

Hi Paul,

Reading further, Method of gravity distortion and time displacement
 Marlin B. Pohlman
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=oH2bAAAAEBAJ


I have quoted your entire post to keep things clear in my mind as I write this. I seriously suspect he is coming from the aspect of a literal and not figurative mass energy relationship.

In essence, that E really is equal to E. n (sub) q would therefor HAVE to be a frequency, since E=hf. It would then have to be true mass/energy relationship as he is using it in reference to mass interchangeably, without constant reference to virtual mass, and would therefor also have an inherent mass frequency as if E=E then hf=mc(super)2. He is then tying all this into his mental framework."


Right, I agree, and he goes into detail about this, then he  turns around and in other parts I mentioned he moves into metaphorical mode with m(sub)q calling it mass instead of mass x frequency.



Do not misunderstand, he is trying to do something I have understood for a long time to be true, yet he makes a separation between the energy of the system and total energy. All energy within the system is accounted for,unless the perception of the system itself is what is inadequate, which I personally think is the case here.

It is a terribly common mistake, which leads to fallacious thinking such as open or closed systems. There is no such critter as an open system, except in the minds of men. THE system is closed (there is only one). We merely tend to ponder utilizing entirely too small of scales of reference.

Paul Andrulis

Could there be some misunderstanding here?  THE "system" in this case is "Energy" -  the whole and "only one", as you say
 (I did not interpret this to mean he made the kind of separation you seem to indicate).  It might have been confusing when he considers the system of the "space-time lattice" like a subset which he separates from the total Energy. 

[0345] "Energy is not Bound by the Space-Time Lattice."

This is an important distinction and relevant to his concept of quintessence as a frequency. He seems to be saying space-time and matter is not a fundamental system, but Energy is.

[0346] "Thus as the EPR experiments suggest the existence of energy separate from matter and thus separate from the three dimensional space time lattice, it is interesting to find that experiments suggest the existence of free energy in a continuum separate from space time and matter to produce the effects of quantum teleportation."

So I would guess the total Energy includes "hyperdimensions" in a holistic scale of reference and possibilities such as those credited to Tesla in the alleged Philadelphia experiment with the rotating magnetic field, a SUPERTPU, if you will.  :D

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #447 on: June 11, 2009, 08:46:50 AM »
heloo  to ALL

WOOOOWWWW  WHAT HAPEND HERE

HEY OTTO THE VERY SMALL TPU  OF S.M  HAS  CORE

THE OPEN TPU HAS CORE

I KNOW AND S.M SAY THE  HIS TPU HAS MAKE SPIN  WHIT  VORTEX AND THAT IS REASON WAY  TPU PRODUCED ONLY DC

I HAVE ASK YOU ALL HERE  WHAT YOU THING IS THAT 4 RED FAT BIFILAR  WIRES  IN THE OPEN TPU
AND I SAY THIS 4 COILS RED WIRES IS NOT CONECTK ENYWHERE 
WAY
AND WAY HE SAY  DC  WHIT AC
<5000HZ  AND DC VOLATGE
 ;)
FOR ALL  ..... TPU MAST BE PRODUCED MASIVE  SPINING ELKTROMAGNET FILD
when he makes that tpu  he get heating problem 
and s.m say the true is get realy hot
all stuf  he tell in the videos  istrue  some words  from  masege  to mannix and s.m 
is true<
move very small magnet whit speed of gun bulyth...........<THIS EXPLANE IS VERY GOOD ..........
ALL TIME IN THE SAME  DIRECTION BANG BANG BANG WHIT THAT DIRECKTIONAL

I HOPE  YOU WHILL FIND TO MAKE SPINING VORTEX



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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #448 on: June 11, 2009, 01:22:30 PM »
heloo  to ALL

WOOOOWWWW  WHAT HAPEND HERE

I'm sure nothing has happened.

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HEY OTTO THE VERY SMALL TPU  OF S.M  HAS  CORE

THE OPEN TPU HAS CORE

Where? All TPUs are handled as if they weigh very little. Do you think a hand operated electric saw will cut through and iron core?

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I KNOW AND S.M SAY THE  HIS TPU HAS MAKE SPIN  WHIT  VORTEX AND THAT IS REASON WAY  TPU PRODUCED ONLY DC

Agreed

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I HAVE ASK YOU ALL HERE  WHAT YOU THING IS THAT 4 RED FAT BIFILAR  WIRES  IN THE OPEN TPU
AND I SAY THIS 4 COILS RED WIRES IS NOT CONECTK ENYWHERE 
WAY
"WHY?"
There should be no question. They are connected somewhere.
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AND WAY HE SAY  DC  WHIT AC
<5000HZ  AND DC VOLATGE

5000Hz can also mean 5000 RPM so it must be like a generator with a virtual rotor. Albeit, the 'fields' mentioned are not described as magnetic.
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;)
FOR ALL  ..... TPU MAST BE PRODUCED MASIVE  SPINING ELKTROMAGNET FILD
when he makes that tpu  he get heating problem 
and s.m say the true is get realy hot
all stuf  he tell in the videos  istrue  some words  from  masege  to mannix and s.m 
is true<
move very small magnet whit speed of gun bulyth...........<THIS EXPLANE IS VERY GOOD ..........
ALL TIME IN THE SAME  DIRECTION BANG BANG BANG WHIT THAT DIRECKTIONAL

I HOPE  YOU WHILL FIND TO MAKE SPINING VORTEX

I hope we do too. I don't think we will if we continue thinking about moving a simple magnet over a piece of wire. That is the weakest way to cause current flow with a magnet. The strongest way is to align that magnetic field radial to the wire. Then rotate it around the wire at very high speeds.

Therefore, the 'core' is a conductor or air AND this conductor is in the center of the TPU. This conductor is created with the operation of the TPU, NOT part of the assembly.

How do you think he could measure current with the clamp meter with no wire in the clamp? Try it. I have. The only way to have a reading is with a current carrying wire inside the clamp or a large change in the local magnetic field strength (also, assumed possible if you had current flowing through air).

I think the TPU is nothing more than a means to emulate the action of magnetic fields around a current carrying wire. When running it causes current to flow through the vertical axis of the TPU.

To tap this potential he adds a Rogowski coil all around the TPU (constant voltage output) and we have confused this coil to be a control coil. The only control coils are the ones on the outside placed in quadrature positions. The FTPU and OTPU use a slightly different method.

 
With that thought in-mind consider this:

You CAN stack Rogowski coils on a current carrying wire. AND you CAN connect them in any method you choose to increase voltage or current output. AND you can have as many as you want.

Our terminology is wrong. The 'collector' IS the complete TPU. The loop in the middle is just the return wire for the Rogowski coil.

While the above is only my opinion I am quite certain I am correct.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #449 on: June 11, 2009, 02:20:13 PM »
heloo @bep
 
you thing the red wire is conected enywhere <NO MAN> NOWHERE THE PORPOSE OF THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THIS SIMPLE  NOWHERE WIRE CONECTION IS  VERY IMPORTANT
FOR  5000HZ  IS NOT  5000 RMP

IS LIKE THIS 5000 SPINING  IN ONE SECOND IN ONE MINUTE.. 300000 SPINIG THIS IS LIKE YOU HAVE  ONE SMALL ELKTROMAGNET HO IS SPINIG WHIT THAT SPEED
 DO YOU HAS ASK  WAY S.M SAY WHEN SAY  <<WHEN I TURN OUT THIS SMALL MAGNET THE VOLTAGE IS DROPING SLOW  IS LIKE  JET ENGINE TURBINE .. THERE IS SPINIG 
FOR THIS TPU   WHEN IS UP DOWN IS  GIVES LOW  OUT
BEACOUSE THAT TPU HAS VERY LOW ELKTROMAGNET FROM SOME SOURCE THER AND THAT FILD  IS WEAK AND  THE EARTH IS ABLE TO GIVE ATHER ATHER MAGNET FILD TO TPU <LIKE  HMM  ..
TPU IS SPINIG LET SAY  IN RAID  SAID  WHERE IS PLACED THAT MAGNET  AND WHEN TPU IS UP DOWN THE MAGNETPERMANET IS IN ATHERE POSITION OF TPU NOW
AND EARTH IS ALLTIME  HIS FORSEOF HIS FILD IS PLACED  AND THAT ERTH FILD IS IN THE ATHER DIRECTION OF THE TPU ELKTROMAGNET ROTARY FILD AND THEN IS SLOW DOWN THE ROTATION FILD IN TO THE  TPU
ALL THAT IS BEACOUSE THE TPU HAS VERY LOW ELKTROMAGNET FILD  INSAID AND IS NO NEED  VERY EXTRNAL FILD TO  CHANGE THIS THE BIGER TPU IS  MORE POWERFULL ELKTROMAGNET FILD AND THIS TPU HAS NO ENY REACTIONS FROM EARTH
S.M SAYS ,<IF I PUT MORE COURENT TO THIS DEVICE I WHILL HAVE MORE
S.M IS MEAN TO MAKE MORE  STRONG ELKTROMAGNET FILD TO SPIN AND THEN TPU  WHIT NOT HAVE ENY INTERACTION FROM EARTH
I LIKE TO SAY AGAIN BUT I DONT MEAN ENY MORE TO SAY THE SAME THING
THE KEY IS  THE RED WIRES FIND AND THING IS NO CONECKTED WHIT NO EXIT NO INPUT WIRES
@marco
way you say  <tube man >> i see now you came to end of your ideas  IF YOU NEED HELP  I WHILL NEVER HELP YOU AND YOU KNOW  THAT I KNOW STUFF  AND  FOR YOU THAT IS  VERY SAD BEACOUSE IM PURE MAN FRM PURE CONTRY HO KNOW MORE THEN YOU
YOU MONEY FOR  YOU EXPERIMENTS IS LOST AND YOU HAVE NOTHING WHITOUT BRAIN NOTHING
NOW I TELL YOU PLEASE NOT FOR ME  BUT FOR PEOPLE HERE BE NICE  AND LEARN HOW TO SPEAK WHIT ATHER  THEN YOU WHILL RICH IN YOU  MIND