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otto · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2009, 05:57:26 AM »

Hello all,

maybe a copper + aluminium core would do the "job"??

Didnt SM told us to use this metals as cores??

Otto

poynt99 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2009, 06:14:09 AM »

I don't know if there is any type of metallic core in any of SM's devices, but we can't see inside all of them. There doesn't appear to be any core of metal description in the devices we can see. Maybe wattsup's new diagrams (when released) will reveal some new aspects of the devices.

Spherics didn't call for any cores at all for his version.

.99

Grumpy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2009, 06:14:43 AM »

Quote from: poynt99 on January 13, 2009, 05:07:34 AM

The delay coil's purpose was just to introduce a delay on the cheap. Any "slow" conductor should do the job.

Spherics spoke little of iron's effects and purpose (aside from providing a delay) in the device and I am not convinced that using its NMRF is integral to achieving a successful design, (geometric or otherwise) esp. since his tetrahedral device contains no iron. Fortunately, we have function generators/oscillators etc.

Spherics left us with some good material, but like all others, there are inconsistencies and gaps, unfortunately. I am not complaining though

.99

btw, I suspect Steven "liked" 35.705 kHz for his 15" TPU, because using 35.7806 kHz is the exact frequency that would cause runaway.

The iron delay stuff has nothing to do with the tetrahedral device - it's apples and oranges.

Iron reacts to things in a way and is not beneficial for this application. That is all you need to know.

Are you building it or just agonizing over the details of how it might work?

otto · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2009, 06:29:57 AM »

Hello all,

maybe a fine guy can find the text where SM said in his way to use copper and aluminium as cores??

Sorry, I dont have the time to do it myself.

Otto

PS: maybe then some people would wake up??

poynt99 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2009, 06:58:18 AM »

Quote from: Grumpy on January 13, 2009, 06:14:43 AM

The iron delay stuff has nothing to do with the tetrahedral device - it's apples and oranges.

No argument here.

Although I did not make it clear, the iron reference was to spherics' mention of SM's use of it in his own devices. I do know the material fairly well btw

One point I am trying to make is with reference to the Fe NMR frequency, and why it was specified for the tetra design. Maybe it is geometry, maybe not. Time will tell.

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Are you building it or just agonizing over the details of how it might work?

The purpose of this thread and the document is outlined in the opening paragraphs. This includes discussion on all aspects of the TPU design and operation.

.99

poynt99 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 13, 2009, 07:09:40 AM »

Quote from: otto on January 13, 2009, 06:29:57 AM

Hello all,

maybe a fine guy can find the text where SM said in his way to use copper and aluminium as cores??

Sorry, I dont have the time to do it myself.

Otto

PS: maybe then some people would wake up??

I really doubt the use of aluminum or copper as a core. SM said that a large piece of aluminum placed near the device changed its operating characteristics to the point it would stop working. I did not find any reference to copper or aluminum cores.

.99

otto · « **Reply #21 on:** January 13, 2009, 07:23:36 AM »

Hello all,

@point99

as said before, maybe somebody can find SMs words where he describes the cores in his fantastic way,ha,ha. I enjoy how he described a lot of the working properties of his devices. Yes, cpooer + aluminium cores are changing the operating characteristics of a TPU. I see this.

Heeeey is it so a big problem to try various cores?

I tried a Metglas core, a copper core, an Aluminium core, an iron core, combinations of all mentioned cores....that are all 5 minutes tests!!

Otto

Antimon · « **Reply #22 on:** January 13, 2009, 10:42:40 AM »

Quote from: poynt99 on January 13, 2009, 06:58:18 AM

No argument here.

Although I did not make it clear, the iron reference was to spherics' mention of SM's use of it in his own devices. I do know the material fairly well btw

One point I am trying to make is with reference to the Fe NMR frequency, and why it was specified for the tetra design. Maybe it is geometry, maybe not. Time will tell.

The purpose of this thread and the document is outlined in the opening paragraphs. This includes discussion on all aspects of the TPU design and operation.

.99

The delay coil is for an other design as said by Grumpy. The delay coil was a cheap way to produce a signal time delay. BUT the iron was contra productive. It caused huge eddy current problems and destroyed the patterns. But they found out a way not to destroy the patterns, so the device is working with the delay coil near the control coils.

A.

Grumpy · « **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2009, 03:51:07 PM »

Quote from: poynt99 on January 13, 2009, 06:58:18 AM

No argument here.

Although I did not make it clear, the iron reference was to spherics' mention of SM's use of it in his own devices. I do know the material fairly well btw

One point I am trying to make is with reference to the Fe NMR frequency, and why it was specified for the tetra design. Maybe it is geometry, maybe not. Time will tell.

The purpose of this thread and the document is outlined in the opening paragraphs. This includes discussion on all aspects of the TPU design and operation.

.99

He said:

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The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron.

I don't think it matters which harmonic, and expect that higher harmonics would produce more stuff.

A better question is: why can you place two rods of copper formed into 3/4 circles (270 degrees) in the field and measure substantial current and voltage?

Super God · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2009, 04:31:55 PM »

@Grumpy HUEG MAGNETIC FIELD!!1111!

Don't forget the the iron delay coil caused the "kick" to appear on the scope when he trimmed it down in length! It seems simple to get a kick after reading Spherics' explanation. I even had an email from him explaining even more. Would you like me to post it?

Super God · « **Reply #25 on:** January 13, 2009, 04:34:29 PM »

I'll post it right now as a matter of fact:

Spherics:

Get 4 pingpong balls. Place 3 on a table all touching. Place the 4th on top of the 3 pingpong balls so it touches all the other balls. This defines 4 locations where you can place 4 solenoids pointing towards the center of this structure and guarantee that all 4 coils are equal distance from all the other coils.

With HCP if you pick any ball it touches the maximum number of balls around it which is 12. If you consider waves moving out from a point source they do so in a perfect sphere if there are no other forces acting. So if you want to influence the ether you need to do so in a way that the waves you create in the ether are perfectly timed in relation to each other. With FCC however if you pick a ball and pick all the balls touching that ball you'll find all the balls are not equidistance from each other, their distances apart are different. This make timing of pulses much more difficult because the waves will reach the other coils at different times.

The ether is the medium out of which everything, all elements, is made. Heat, cold are merely ether waves. Why do some elements react and release heat and other react and release cold ? Why are some elements inert ? Matter is spherical waves of different frequencies and complexities. Different elements have different frequencies. Elements whose frequencies are harmonically related can interfere constructively and destructively resulting in another stable spherical wave of another frequency and complexity. As a result of the interacting waveforms other ether waves are generated and propogated outwards this is the heat and cold. The ether itself has a consistent ripple which interacts with all the spherical waveforms of matter and effectively adds energy into the spherical waves keeping them going. This is why electrons appear to orbit with perpetual motion. Of course electrons don't really exist! Observed electrons are merely the artefact of observing an oscillating wave with another thing made of oscillating waves.

Everything is a wave. The source that keeps the ripple going in the ether is unknown, what the ether IS, is unknown.
Light is a wave.

I paraphrase but "In the beginning was nothing and God said let their be light..."
Can be seen to literally mean "In the beginning was 'ether' and God said let their be waves"
And the idea that God is in everything has a new twist if you believe the ether is the mind of God.
Dont get me wrong - I'm spiritual - not a bible thumping religious nut - I just believe that hand-me-down stories tell more than they let on.
For example read the description of the ark of the covenant in the light of it being an electrical device!!

Why 12 hours in a day, 60 minutes in an hour, 360 degrees in a circle, ALL of which are conincidently divisible by 12 ( maximum number of balls that touch a sphere), and 6 (maximum number of balls that touch a sphere in any plane going through a sphere) ?

Why is there a desert in the Middle East that has a continuous thick layer of glass buried within it that is 10 of kilometers wide ?
Where the isotopes and purity indicate a nuclear device fused the sand ?
Why does the Indian Ramayana, Marabharata describe the effect of nuclear missiles when it was written hundreds of years ago ?

My understanding is Steven Mark was developing his spherical 3d sound system. In general we can place the location of sound because of frequency shifting of moving sound; the doppler effect, the phase shifting of sound because a wave from a point source on your left side, has less distance to travel to your left ear than to travel to your right ear, sound attenuation and frequency suppression (apparently the sounds from different directions hit the ear and ear canal in different ways that cause certain bands of frequencies to be subtly suppressed - I don't confess to understand how it does this!).

Obviously ideas on faking 3D sound placement require electronics to subtly alter phasing etc. High quality voice coils on speakers can be wound in a bifilar fashion and can be considered aircore type coils. He noticed an unusual frequency peak in a spectrum anlyser when pulsing the bifilar with two similar waveforms... like many inventions start with the phrase 'that's really strange why did it do that'. An unusual freq. peak ON TOP of what was expected indicates some sort of incoming energy. The rest is how to utilise the effect to extract the energy in such a way that you can use some of the extracted energy to make the event that caused the initial energy bigger. i.e. A positive feedback loop.

Got to go!

Grumpy · « **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2009, 05:12:24 PM »

Quote from: Super God on January 13, 2009, 04:31:55 PM

@Grumpy HUEG MAGNETIC FIELD!!1111!

Don't forget the the iron delay coil caused the "kick" to appear on the scope when he trimmed it down in length! It seems simple to get a kick after reading Spherics' explanation. I even had an email from him explaining even more. Would you like me to post it?

The iron delay was only used in the bifilar arrangement.

Emails are private, but thanks anyway.

So, why can you place two copper rods, formed into a 270 degree arc, in the field and measure substantial voltage and current (in the field generated in the tetrahedral device)?

This is the basis of "induction", how it really occurs.

Anyone?

wattsup · « **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2009, 06:45:37 PM »

I have done many tests with all sorts of pulsings, some with my computer audio sound card connected too two mosfets that pulsed dc into all sorts of coils. Even direct pulsing with the audio or FGs.

When he says "two similiar waveforms", this is what I have found. Take any coil, pulse it with two same audio frequencies to find the best resonance or voltage rise off the secondary, then drop one frequency by 1 hertz and shift it out of phase by at least 6.84 degrees and you will create real havoc and stronger voltage rises. lol

All the audio frequency control is done with a computer program. You can open more then one frequency generator program at one time so you can have more then two frequencies if you want. This may be good for initial @Spherics control tests. The limitations is 20khz. The same thing happens with two FGs. I think the talk about not going onto the perfect frequency or the coil will dissintegrate is a misnomer or disinformation. The fact is not that there is disentegration but being at the resonance frequency is not the best or most productive point. It is slightly off resonance that you get the stronger outputs. It's as if the whole cadance of the frequency changes with a punch as the main force and the frequency is riding inside the punch. Geez, or kick.

One frequency creates a static resonant condition, two or more frequencies simulate dynamic movement.

Grumpy · « **Reply #28 on:** January 13, 2009, 07:06:55 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on January 13, 2009, 06:45:37 PM

I have done many tests with all sorts of pulsings, some with my computer audio sound card connected too two mosfets that pulsed dc into all sorts of coils. Even direct pulsing with the audio or FGs.

When he says "two similiar waveforms", this is what I have found. Take any coil, pulse it with two same audio frequencies to find the best resonance or voltage rise off the secondary, then drop one frequency by 1 hertz and shift it out of phase by at least 6.84 degrees and you will create real havoc and stronger voltage rises. lol

All the audio frequency control is done with a computer program. You can open more then one frequency generator program at one time so you can have more then two frequencies if you want. This may be good for initial @Spherics control tests. The limitations is 20khz. The same thing happens with two FGs. I think the talk about not going onto the perfect frequency or the coil will dissintegrate is a misnomer or disinformation. The fact is not that there is disentegration but being at the resonance frequency is not the best or most productive point. It is slightly off resonance that you get the stronger outputs. It's as if the whole cadance of the frequency changes with a punch as the main force and the frequency is riding inside the punch. Geez, or kick.

One frequency creates a static resonant condition, two or more frequencies simulate dynamic movement.

OK wattsup, what is occuring with the two pulses, same parameters, one in each wire of a piece of zip cord, one slightly delayed?

Maybe a picture will help:

Grumpy · « **Reply #29 on:** January 14, 2009, 05:01:45 AM »

.99's doc list a quote from "S" that says the aether field spirals around the toroidal conductor and creates longitudinal waves along the conductor.

Clarification:

Induction by longitudinal waves is the "cold current".

Induction by the spirals is conventional current.

Much more to it than that, but that is the gist of it.

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Back to the question:

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So, why can you place two copper rods, formed into a 270 degree arc, in the field and measure substantial voltage and current (in the field generated in the tetrahedral device)?

Answer: I think these are to be placed horizontally, with their center coinciding with the center of the toroidal , or where the toroid would be located. No length is given for the arcs, but I expect a difference in potential between top and bottom of the vortex. As the vortex rotates, current is converted from the potential energy of the aether to kinetic energy in the conductor. Remebmer from Wilbert Smith's work that a magnetic field is the curl of the tempic field and by rotating this field of aether, we just created a curl which is of course inductive.

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