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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #150 on: February 01, 2009, 05:28:14 PM »
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I don't know will it help to understand the mystery of the TPU or not but I found an interesting thing about of vacuum tubes.
There are many difference between SS and tubes but the biggest one is:
tubes can work without supply. (Heating is need!)
No, I'm not fool!
There are two example:
The first one is double diode: without load the output voltage is 2,5 V and 1V with 50 microampere.
The second one is an oscillator with a pentode. Its output is 300mV HF. The inner resistance of the pentode (in that case) is very low and its gain is only 2....3.

Hoping you find it also interesting (maybe useful) information.

Bless you all

Kacor
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http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1826

I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc. The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #151 on: February 01, 2009, 05:33:19 PM »
So I take it that the tubes make a huge difference?

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #152 on: February 01, 2009, 06:11:19 PM »
As far as I know tubes were invented to replace spark gaps, commutators and other strange devices used in oscillators. SM found a way how the process of resonance in tubes+ transformers circuits. I believe it's the same as described by Tesla. He was able to charge a capacitor and discharge it with not diminishing oscillations - every spikes carry the full energy of  capacitor.Then by varying frequency he was able to obtain any power in secondary. That's clearly described in his notes and interview...

If someone has a triode and experience , would be nice to check about those HV hash going back to heater transformer and if that's related to any current applied to the grid at all.


That's not explain how SM was able to go further and eliminate any tubes, spark gaps. commutators. It's hard to believe for me that the same effect may be done efficiently with mosfets....

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #153 on: February 01, 2009, 07:47:38 PM »
    One must consider the bifilar wound coil connected magnetically additive pulsed at a frequency that chokes the acpulse as being quite like SM describes the transformer action that gives rise to the kick.  This kick will also be stored in the capacitance setup between coils.  Succesive pulsing adding charge to this capacitor until such time that the coils insulation or dielectric field is compromised or discharged.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #154 on: February 01, 2009, 08:21:09 PM »
@Mannix

I have looked into Moray for the first time. Thanks. I'm a Moray virgin. But funny most of what he said I had already known instinctively. It is good to get confirmation from the past. Too bad he was concerned about keeping the secrets that got him nowhere. But I learned alot from the reads. Just more mysteries to solve.

We will find parallels with all of the past investigators because we are still dealing with the same energies.

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First of all - very good posts. Thanks.

My question regarding if an anode and cathode have both the north and south or positive and negative polarity was to stress the fact that they should not have both polarities. Looking it up further I have found that they can be one or the other, but not both. An anode can be positive or negative depending on the usage. Same with the cathode. So in essence both the anode and cathode are extremities of a discharge either applied from an outer current source or via an internal "prestored dielectric charge" and are both "mono-polar". They can provide a means of applying an electrical influence on a non-wire mass. A spark gap has a dielectric conductor which is non-wire mass we call space. The same space between the two levels of the rings in the FTPU.

The action in the outer rings of the FTPU cannot be coupling based because there is simply not enough to do a coupling in the traditional sense as in a laminated transformer. The device runs with gain. The vacuum tube needs no coupling. All it knows is that if such and such a small amount of material is electrically heated to x degrees, it will impart the source electrons to the nearest damn thing around, in its case, it's a oppositely charged (not charged by potentialized) plate.

So the problem behind the heating of the TPU is probably due to the fact that it is very normal to get such heat, and if SM said "this was normal", he would have given away too much of the secrets, so he switched it into a problem instead. Let the perceived (pseudo) problem be the distraction. This also gave him good reasons to continue the R&D into the later designs, to try and correct the problem that will always be. Consider that if the heat is normal, who cares, since it is free energy anyways. A light bulb gets hot but it keeps lighting, so if the bulb lit by itself, would you care about the heat. No. But if you made it into a problem that had to be solved, this is a very good distraction.

Why did I ask this question. Well always going back to the TPUs. The toroid and outer coils could not provide such an anode/cathode effect because they hold both polarities. So maybe the outer rings are only connected on one side with the other side left open ended to make an anode and a cathode. Given the proper energy influence, maybe they produce a potential between them and the outer coils then catch this potential. Like the anode/cathode of a capacitor and the dielectric being in this case open space.

The gain aspect would then be normal since if the anode and cathode produce a directional energy transfer through the dielectric of space, and if the outer coils then become electrically charged, and since the outer coils are wound around the anode and cathode, the increase in electric charge of the outer coil will increase the potential surrounding the anode and cathode thus increasing the directional anode/cathode energy flow, thus increasing again the energy in the outer coils and this compounds one on top of the other as an additive effect. It would equal a self-dielectric-exciting-capacitor. And if the potential was right, it could attract energy from the Cosmos as Moray put it.

There are so many possible ways to look at a TPU, it is very easy to stray off in one direction for years and years, but what is keeping me well "grounded" is always looking back to the devices themselves and asking, ok where does this theory physically fit inside a TPU with its limited coils, SS components, etc. If the theory fits, then looking further is justified, if it does not fit, then guys should probably look elsewhere to save time.

Case in point. I made a small insulated iron three loop mobius ring. Put a small one layer primary covering about 25 degrees of the ring and wound a one layer Litz wire (175 strands of 48 awg) secondary all around. And again the only coupling action occurred above 2mhz. Nothing below. Nothing at 5khz range at all. I drove it with AC sine/square and dc pulsed. Otto, I drove it from the positive side, then from the negative side. All of these little tests provide more information but do not point to a logical means of making the TPU work. Could be the same set-up but different use  will get to further down.

The only real odd ball of the TPUs is the OPTU. Two rings but only one with a wind. WTF. This goes against all the other unit designs. It was demoed in a garage with two big table lamps. I have already discussed a step by step method of how to "realistically" fake the demo. The demo could have been faked since SM at that time needed another device to show some progress. That unit was never seen again in other demos. The whole thing is a major quagmire because we are dealing with dark videos, a 2nd rate engineer report, no real serious testing reports, an inventor with a major sob story, many devices that are "all" supposed to work, investors that have most likely been burned, MIB paranoia, and more. So all is possible. The FTPU could have been the device that he got from Europe and all the rest could have been faked. Or all are real and the OPTU (black goose) is a fake. WTF. They could all be real.

Then you think that there is a guy named Madoff could concoct a ponzi scheme and defraud countless billions from what we would consider to be the most sophisticated investors in the world and the organizations that control them, then how easy can it be to defraud a few investors with a nice looking TPU. I know it is hard to read but unfortunately it is the reality any TPUer has to deal with. Working to make a TPU always knowing in the back of your mind that it could have been faked from day one. SOaB.

So we keep going.

I know this is a long post so sorry but I wanted to get back to the anode/cathode theory and how it could fit inside the FTPU.

Give an anode and a cathode a permanently excited dielectric and they will produce an energy output continuously. So let's look at this in the nuts and bolts of how it could fit inside an FTPU.

The toroid has to half wound coils so we can easily see there MUST be a coupling action there or a point of transfer from one to the other. Yes they could be used as regular chokes but such regular chokes are a dime a dozen for smoothing output voltages of 60 volts so why would you use such an elaborate toroid for such a mundane usage. Because it is not a choke.

Take the two rings, one end of each is left open, the other end goes to each side of only one of the half coils in the center toroid. So one of the center toroid coils has one end going to one ring and the other end of the same half toroid going to the other ring. Automatically these simple connections have now transformed the rings into an anode and a cathode. Now pulse the outer coils that surround each ring and find the frequency that may simulate or better still "replicate" a dielectric radiance. Bingo, your rings are now running as the poles of a constant capacitor or battery. Now connect your output to the other half coil in the toroid.

This provides a vacuum tube type design where the source energy in isolated from the load side via the plate, the source energy in the TPU is isolated by the toroid halves. This also would explain why the outer coils where not so diligently wound. The required effect was not winding critical. This also can be extended to all other TPU designs.

Notice in the LTPU his meter showed maximum amperage above the toroids. That confirms that the toroids are the transfer point. Two toroids means four rings, two anodes, two cathodes in the LPTU. Not three.

This is how I try to think about the problem, always bringing the theory back to the nut and bolts of the device itself. The above tells me this is feasible since all the elements are there. There is also room for some variations but the parts physically fit. So this will be the next tests. lol

wattsup

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #155 on: February 01, 2009, 09:14:06 PM »
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The only real odd ball of the TPUs is the OPTU. Two rings but only one with a wind. WTF.

LOL  !    :) :)

I feel you frustration wattsup.   This variety is what holds the secrets in conjuction to knowing the magnetic field orientation and the source of the power.    The upside down shutdown is another powerfull clue in how to wire up the device so one phase is 90 degree lagging, which won't work when upside down.

gosh, there's so much energy to be had from powerlines and the principle is so simple !!!

EM

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #156 on: February 01, 2009, 09:57:53 PM »
    It is important to note how free electrons move.  Wikepedia has a good article on this.  Please also consider that a good conductor needs not be heated it's atomic structure has plenty of free electrons in it's skin.   Free electrons have a preference for migration.  Three poynting vectors must be considered.   Gravity dielectric and magnetic.   Kicked off the mass of the conductor and allowed to not return to the conductor results in the mass of the conductor loosing weight or becoming positively charged.   If the free electrons are propelled by any one of the vector forces away from the cathode the complete mass of the cathode is a positively charged capacitor plate and will become relavent to any scource of negative charge.      In the first tpu it is obvious that SM employs a magnetic flux field and a gravitational field to insure that free electrons do not return to the conductor and leave the conductor cloud with an inordinate amount of holes in it.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #157 on: February 01, 2009, 10:47:47 PM »
LOL  !    :) :)

I feel you frustration wattsup.   This variety is what holds the secrets in conjuction to knowing the magnetic field orientation and the source of the power.    The upside down shutdown is another powerfull clue in how to wire up the device so one phase is 90 degree lagging, which won't work when upside down.

gosh, there's so much energy to be had from powerlines and the principle is so simple !!!

EM

Em, a device that could tap power lines would also be a fantastic invention, think of the applications ,legal or otherwise.

If you can devise a way to do so you would have certain rights to it and it would fit well within our  existing technology.
I stongly urge you to develop this idea as it would be very useful technology and Im sure that you could sell this idea much more easily that one that tunes int something else.

If you were able to prove that Steven used your suggested method then many people here would be very gratefull to you as well.

A working circuit that is simple as you say ...one that you have actually used to extract high power from oh lines.

Even a few videos with qualified engineers reports might to the trick .

There have been many times that it would be much easier to believe what you are suggesting.

Please Do it If you are able and willing and please show it if you succeed


 


But...Please would you create an appropriate  thread for it ..or prove it 100%

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #158 on: February 02, 2009, 07:30:51 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

a 3 loop iron wire .......we need highly accelerated particles!!! An iron core or iron wire will slow down the particles and only heat is the result.. So, you have a contra effect. Instead of an acceleration you have as a start point a slowing down of the particles.

Its better to build a TPU with a copper core, pulse this with tubes and THEN slow down the particles so you can light a bulb.

Ever tried to pulse only the core?

Otto




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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #159 on: February 02, 2009, 09:07:33 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

a 3 loop iron wire .......we need highly accelerated particles!!! An iron core or iron wire will slow down the particles and only heat is the result.. So, you have a contra effect. Instead of an acceleration you have as a start point a slowing down of the particles.

Its better to build a TPU with a copper core, pulse this with tubes and THEN slow down the particles so you can light a bulb.

Ever tried to pulse only the core?

Otto






That would mean that the control windings would be used to control the timing of the core/collector pulses....


That must be  why they are called control windings.

Let me jump ahead here...the control windings would be used to drive the grids ...or be rectified  and only high speed particles would be passed , at the right time to the collector.And would depend on their position in relation to the collector sections ..surely it cant be that simple  or can it?

That would be like a Moray device where the secet was to use electron tubes to prevent feed back from one part of the circuit to the next  BUT would allow FEED FOWARD.of the particles at just the right time if everything is just the right place for the "alledged"acceleration to take place.....

I wonder how many might actually set this accelerator up and see what they can achieve without mollasses screwing things up

Good one Otto!

Be carefull

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #160 on: February 02, 2009, 09:25:49 AM »
Faraday unipolar dynamo is a device which is using such principle at least that is an explanation I found. Electrons in rotating copper disc are speed up by magnetic field interaction and current show itself between shaft and an edge of the disc. It's a closed conductor surface, and also  because of that it is inefficient. Some currents are used up to heat disc because they are flowing in closed path.

What if the same concept is used within TPU for collecting current generated from rotating magnetic field ?
Of course here it's not a disc inside (could be also) but Tesla has given improved schematic of unipolar dynamo with disc shattered  into separate not connected areas.

I think to build TPU we should :

1. Implement efficient rotating magnetic field around ring with high speed
2. Implement collecting coils , maybe based on Faraday unipolar dynamo concept


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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #161 on: February 02, 2009, 09:43:27 AM »
Hello all,

@Mannix

I pulsed a core. Result, wonderful light.
I pulsed only the collectors. Result, wonderful light.
I pulsed a combination of 2 collectors AND just 1 core. Result, best light so far. With a current of say 2A at 20V. Yes I know. Its a lot of current. No, the light was not full lighted. The point was to see how I could use the core. Of course my core is on 1 end open. When I shorted the core I saw the current rising and then I  lost the light.

In the past I pused all kinds of transformers and feeded the signals into the TPU coils. I wanted really big signals. I also tried it with a camera flash unit. It worked great but at lower frequencies then we need.

In this moment I have connected my controls in series with the collector.

Now people imagine to pulse a control coil and the result is feeded into a collector. Have you all enough imagination??

It seems that a nice adventure is waiting. If I fail - no problem - then I have made something wrong and there is no way to be dissapointed. Im not the brightest "lamp" here, ha,ha.

Otto






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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #162 on: February 02, 2009, 09:50:41 AM »
Faraday unipolar dynamo is a device which is using such principle at least that is an explanation I found. Electrons in rotating copper disc are speed up by magnetic field interaction and current show itself between shaft and an edge of the disc. It's a closed conductor surface, and also because of that it is inefficient. Some currents are used up to heat disc because they are flowing in closed path.

What if the same concept is used within TPU for collecting current generated from rotating magnetic field ?
Of course here it's not a disc inside (could be also) but Tesla has given improved schematic of unipolar dynamo with disc shattered into separate not connected areas.

I think to build TPU we should :

1. Implement efficient rotating magnetic field around ring with high speed
2. Implement collecting coils , maybe based on Faraday unipolar dynamo concept




Yes,

but we will need near light speed particles and its the tubes that are the only things with a chance to deal with them.
A rotating mag field I believe is secondary to the particle accelerator which is running at incredibly high speeds in a circle ...which are simply beyond the design paramaters of ss and accidentally/fortuitously   within the characteristics of many tubes which produce particles  of high speed and who really knows how high in different conditions than those for which they were designed.

Its no surprise that ss had taken over for so many things because "WE DO NOT NEED THE SPEED ANY MORE" in energy using devices ..do we?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betatron












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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #163 on: February 02, 2009, 01:00:41 PM »
Now it's clear why TPU does not work when turned  back. It still works but no output, no slowdown electrons appear . Betatron needed an electrons source also. Does copper wire contain enough electrons or must be filled up before speed up action occur ? I'm sorry Mannix that we are so dumb (I am  :'()
it may be interesting for you that I'm quite sure Hubbard used the same principle and magnetic fields are crucial for that action, but that's my personal opinion.It may be interesting because Hubbard used different embodiment which could potentially eliminate problems with core heat and frequency limits.I state that because apparent output from his little device was much higher then TPU.

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« Reply #164 on: February 02, 2009, 01:48:25 PM »
Nobody is dumb we all are learning (hopefully)

Much of the info is only now ringing all the right bells . I do not know why I was  so slow to make the right connections.


Gray, hubbard ,moray, sweet.,.etc etc the only exception is hendershot who had something a bit closer to Stevens devices

they all rely on what I will loosely call dilectric action......did you know that static discharges from unrolling sticky tape  produces xrays?

None of this means that any of us will be able to build a tpu...but we should at least be using all of the specific clues given, and the most important one is the bottles IMHO