great discussions here

I wonder,
 if we were to  introduce electron tubes to our experiments ,might the potentiol of an electron tube to generate and use high speed electrons have any additional characteristics that  silicone devices could not handle?

I do not refer to switching times form dirty pulses but the ability of a tube to react to the high speed particles in the "havoc" that has been mentioned here.

If we create havoc with electron tubes driving flux cancelling bifilar rings  will it be "pure" havoc  ?

We do need to use all the clues, as muddy as they might seem but , we most certainly need to use the actual specifics given .

It might be a long road in either case ..but we all have been given a shortcut.( that very,very few seem to want to include)

Steven said that he would never have discovered it using ss devices...and that tubes are just as important today as they were back then ..


Ultra high speed particles are common to every single device so far ..... dont shunt them with things that were never designed to deal with them.

Just look at the spec sheets of ss...then tubes..You might say that tubes dont have nearly as many "specifications"

It may be that a bunch of wire can be excited to perform like a tube by using ss to initiate the reaction required if the bunch of wire is just right.

Just trying to help with the little that I have Just Ignore this if it doesnt fit .It is  interesting  whatever you do



Lindsay

    In the days preceeding tubes and solidstate there was a need for rectification.
Two inventors that I know of went about this.  Daniel McFarland Cook and Tesla.
Tesla had to make a diode to interface with Edison's dc system to make Westinghouse's new ac system retrofittable to existing dc distribution and loads.    Tesla's dynamic transformer was never used as Westinghouse made more money selling motor generator sets than implementing Tesla's dynamic transformation system.   Both men accomplished this by the use of lumping two chokes on a common core.  The response of the two different inductance rated windings to a common core saturation change were magnetically additive on a close coupled basis between windings.  The resultant dc  then distributed through the dc load.  A diode suffers from the lack of positive and negative charge carriers to handle the current.  Whereas in the skin of a conductor we find ample free electrons and holes.  A conductor can also transmit energy as a longitudinal or sound type wave through the electron cloud.  This phenomenon allows for very rapid communication of a magnetic field anamoly on one end of the wire to appear at the other end of the wire.  This information exchange is not resisted as in conventional current flow as it does not involve electron acceleration but what could be more looked on as diode hole oscillation.

http://www.rexresearch.com/moray/speech.htm

Thomas Moray used cold cathode tubes ,linking several coils in perfect resonance to isolate the resonant circuits so that there was no "feedback"

there are many writings from this man.

Combine Moray's work with Steven Mark's information about tubes and some interesting correlations are found.

It is MY opinion that the electron tube is used to initiate the catalyst in the same way that a spark is used to light a fire.

From all the info that I released, it is clear that unless tubes are used initially we have little chance of seeing the effect.

But of course later units did not have them, but used devices that duplicated their function, devices that took a team 10 years to make .

Personally I think that are a form of mag amp/saturable inductor but we will probably never get the specifics of this part of the device.
Without specific info about that and no running generators what chance would we have to design such a thing from such a long way off.


Those tube pictures are Excellent...I suggest to read morays writings at this point. If nothing else you might see just how different this is from the conventional understanding that we have absorbed for the purpose of maintaining machines that pump from central  source to heat wasting destinations.

After all, we only need information that allows us to contribute to society as we know it. In one strange way , the better your education the harder it might be to absorb..as that does not make any body out to be dumb or stupid...just unaware....yet

Playing with these possibilities will make you isolated from your peers , socially inoperative, and I suggest that it might not be a good idea.

You dont go down to your local and discuss resonance do you?
the party will end..you will have less friends....however your only true friends may admire you more  ...want to test this?


Tell people that you know of devices that will give them free power and they just want to know . Where do you get one? obviously if the power is free they should not have to pay much for it. This is the commercial problem that every inventor of these things has faced. All that is left is for lots of people to nail this down and make common knowledge by their own re discovery and sharing of it.
Put money in the picture and this stuff  becomes priceless, which is the very process that kills it ..we all have played a part in that and may continue to do so.

enough spruke from me ..for now ,thanks for listening

Good hunting

Lindsay

Some additional comments from our friend :

I take a motor having, say eight poles, and wrap the exciting coils of four alternate cores with fine insulated iron wire. When the current is started in these coils it encounters the effect of the closed magnetic circuit and is retarded. The magnetic lines set up at the start close to the iron wire around the coils and no free poles appear at first at the ends of the four cores. As the current rises in the coils more lines are set up, which crowd more and more in the fine iron wire until finally the same becomes saturated, or nearly so, when the shielding action of the iron wire ceases and free poles appear at the ends of the four protected cores. The effect of the iron wire, as will be seen, is two-fold. First, it retards the energizing current; and second, it delays the appearance of the free poles. To produce still greater difference of phase in the magnetization of the protected and unprotected cores, I connect the iron wire surrounding the coils of the former in series with the coils of the latter, in which case, of course, the iron wire is preferably wound or connected differentially, after the fashion of the resistance, coils in a bridge, so as to have no appreciable self-induction. In other cases I obtain the desired retardation in the appearance of the free poles on one set of cores by a magnetic shunt, which produces a greater retardation of the current and takes up at the start a certain number of the lines set up, but becomes saturated when the current in the exciting coils reaches a predetermined strength.

In the transformer the same principle of shielding is utilized. A primary conductor is surrounded with a fine layer of laminated iron, consisting of fine iron wire or plates properly insulated and interrupted. As long as the current in the primary conductor is so small that the iron enclosure can carry all the lines of force set up by the current, there is very little action exerted upon a secondary conductor placed in vicinity to the first; but just as soon as the iron enclosure becomes saturated, or nearly so, it loses the virtue of protecting the secondary and the inducing action of the primary practically begins.

Best regards
Nikola Tesla

   Sorry forest back to the kicks and tubes.  The below is talking about spark gaps but the same can be applied to a tube or diode.  It's about impulse energy or what to do with the kick.

         In most over-voltage spark gaps avalanches of electrons move towards the anode. As the number of electrons increases Coulomb's law states that also the field strength increases. The strong field accelerates the avalanche. A slow rise time of the voltage lets the electrons drift towards the anode before they can generate an avalanche. Electrophilic molecules capture electrons before they can generate an avalanche. Thermal effects destabilize a homogeneous electron discharge and ion diffusion stabilizes it.

@EM

     Tesla did a patent on an improved transformer.  An improvement on the ones being utilized on the poles down the street.  One that creates a rotating magnetic field as described by forrest.  By using magnetic shielding on different EXCITING
coils.  This rotating magnetic field needs only another set of coils to experience the rotation.  Unlike the classical transformer where the magnetic shielding is destroyed by the secondary current draw.  Tesla is shuffling it around. 

   In a torroidal transformer the current draw of the secondary does not effect the impedance of the primary.  The current draw of the secondary is magnetically out of phase with the primary input.  Attention to retainance of the magnetic core material must be adressed.  If the core appears as saturated to the next ac or dc pulse excessive current is drawn from the line.  As most magnetic materials saturation parameters are set by the ambient magnetic field of the Earth the core of a torroidal transformer can effectively capture this diffusion capacity or it's ability to reset the magnetic domains of the core.  When the Sunspots hit this becomes quite apparent to transformers as they go into oversaturation.  Not so apparent is the input from the more constant coronal mass ejections of the Sun creating bow shock waves transmitted into the poles incessantly.

So why are we pulsing our TPUs with positive pulses?

Most are not. The majority of circuits shared have the switch at the negative end of the coil circuit. They are switching the negative side.

However, driving a grid negative is not unusual. It is unusual if you have no applied anode current and scope the anode (plate) anyway. re: SM comments about heater voltage appearing on the plate current...

Hello all,

a few hours ago I saw that my tube transformer can give me only 10V for the tube heating....

I have another very big transformer to drive my tubes.

Its sooooo boring to pulse the coils with transistors. It seems thats finally tube time for me.

I have good coils, very good cores and now its time to figure out what to do with tubes. Maybe you know it but Im always thinking in a contra way to say so.
On the other hand Im always thinking about what SM did. Did he use tube oscillators + amplifiers? If so, what kind of signals did he get on the output of this amplifiers? Sines? Or kicks? Are then the kicks converted into sines inside the TPU? I alreday saw a long time ago.

If we use PNP MOSFETs whats the difference? I mean the difference between NPN and PNP Kicks to say so.

I can imagine there is a difference. Not at all frequencies but at some of them I can imagine that the TPU is then easier "connected" to the earths magnetic field. And in the moment when this "connection" happens ........BOOOOOM!!!!

As you see I have a lot of questions for myself and I know I have to work hard to get all needed questions.

A lot of guessings and speculations. I only wanted to show the people here what I want to do, nothing else.

Otto