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Offline Mannix

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #120 on: January 28, 2009, 09:16:57 AM »



Hi all

You will have to run the sim to see what happens..its not supposed to be an overunity circuit ...they dont exist ! Its just a little circuit that runs in the simulator to portray a turbine. There is nothing special about any of the values.

The Transistors should be replaced with tubes....tubes just wont simulate so i used transistors to show it but I hope that some of you get the idea of an electronic  turbine spinning up from this. I would hope that some of you might  perfect this...even get tubes running on the sim....I couldnt but Im no expert at Multisim.

You have all heard the warnings

what are the limiting factors to the rpm of this thing ?

Please just run the sim and muck around with the values, Each transformer is a collector/control combination.

but just imagine those coils configured in a ring so that they interact with each other any way you think will work....


What if they run at different rates...have we 3 cannons?

Perhaps it's  worth a real build to see if anything different happens. I find it very interesting at least and I hope that it will help us learn  something useful to  pass  on to each other .

Any way its .. a good starting point and I think it asks some pretty good questions of us .And you can stay at the computer if you like ...just dont expect a simulator to show anything but the timings and how the coils interact with each other at lower  speeds.



this is  like professor seike's stuff  check him out ,and jln labs gstrain device


Lindsay
 


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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #121 on: January 28, 2009, 10:07:11 AM »
@sparks

Regarding the FTPU outer rings (2), now if we supposed that each ring is made of insulated iron wire that is one length turned three times and connected end to end to make a mobius type loop. Now, let's say you have one coil wound all around the loop that we would call the secondary. Then you have one coil wound over just 1/3 of the loop called the primary. 

We already know that in standard laminated core coupling, the flux moves in the laminations relative to the primary polarities then to the secondary and thus creates the transfer.

Now in this case, when the primary hits the insulated iron wire (equal to laminate core), since it is insulated and turning three times back onto itself, does this mean with one pulse on primary, the flux will make three turns inside the secondary wind.

This would be equal to what @grumpy showed in his recent document on toroid windings, having one primary over several toroids transfering to many secondaries. The idea behind having a three ring laminate is that if the primary is well timed to expend the least energy possible (most bang for the buck which can be done very easilly with Tesla Ozone Patent shorting method), there may be a cumulative effect over the secondaries and produce some OU.

I know some will say "there goes wattsup again with his standard thinking", but this would not be so standard if the flux can turn three times inside the secondary winding. We are always trying to push current inside a copper condutor to impart coupling to other copper wires when we already know the best way is to move the flux in a laminate and if this flux can turn and turn many times very fast, I think it should make some interesting results.

In any case, I will make one this week and test it.


Interesting idea.However.... In that case the bigger output from TPU the more iron core turns should be there and TPU should be much higher. I don't see that being a case for TPU according to SM videos. Rather different approximation seems true : more output power means higher TPU diameter.Anyway, very good idea.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #122 on: January 28, 2009, 02:12:10 PM »
Has anybody made a request for a Wiki site go along side with the discussions?
It would sure help with consuming all of this data...

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #123 on: January 28, 2009, 05:11:56 PM »
    @wattsup

        You can look on this from a radio wave perspective also.   Any radio man knows in his antennae system how to use a standing wave ratio meter.   If you want to get the signal out there you don't want your waves stuck in the coax.   What if we intentionally create a standing wave field in a virtual piece of coax could this standing wave field turn into a rotating standing wave field?

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #124 on: January 28, 2009, 09:34:13 PM »
@sparks

Exactly my idea except stationary rotating waves. What is the difference ? I don't know ,but I know that Tesla generated stationary waves and electricity is like two electromagnetic curled waves propagating along wire : magnetic over the surface while electric inside.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #125 on: January 28, 2009, 09:38:29 PM »
I have a question : if you put two electric currents into primary of transformer what is the result on secondary ? I mean : are they THE SAME CURRENTS just with different voltage whic are coming out of magnetic field of transformer OR COMPLETLY NEW CREATED currents ?

Why is this important ? If they are the same just with different voltage they will not merge no matter how we try, but if they are NEW just with proper parameters corresponding to primary currents , then we have in really new area.


Can someone propose experiment to validate such concept ?

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #126 on: January 28, 2009, 09:40:37 PM »
I think you SHOULD deep analyze how important is my previous question, I realized that now.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #127 on: January 29, 2009, 12:21:07 AM »
Ride 'em, cowboy!  8)

Any noise in your power supply is like a bur under your saddle. It might be small but it is fast! Kapeesh?
Don't grab the bull by the ring.

There are 2 types of questions. Those that you can google answers and those that you have to test. Start your own desktop rodeo. Everything from goat ropers to bucking broncos.

The GK4 was heterodyned.  ;)

--giantkiller. OMG.

Offline ramset

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #128 on: January 29, 2009, 12:36:50 AM »
 :o ;D

Offline forest

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #129 on: January 29, 2009, 10:17:03 AM »
The answer to my question WILL RESOLVE much of uncertainty about free energy in induction coils (for example in Bedini circuits)

IF currents are new, then THERE IS NOW possibility that EXTERNAL MAGNETIC FIELD when properly applied to magnetic field of inductor WILL SHOW ITSELF in resulting current as ADDED energy.

IF currents are not new, there is no such posssibility.


Sorry for poor English but I'm so exited.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #130 on: January 29, 2009, 01:58:12 PM »
    Three coils wrapped around a common core.   You can use copper wire air whatever depends on the frequency.   Top coil input sine sawtooth whatever as long as it is impeded.
Two ouput coils out of wack as far as impedance matching.  Pull a load.

    Allow time to get some ambient magnetic field input to reset the core.


             KICKS FOR FREE

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #131 on: January 29, 2009, 03:38:40 PM »
@sparks

You are getting better and better with those Egyptian Hieroglyphic designs. Just joking.

On your previous post, if standing waves can be used, please explain how in the FTPU this could be done with what is already there. My idea of the iron ring is because there is a ring and there is winding in the actual TPU. Explanations and ideas should be as close to the device depiction as possible. A coil, ok, which one, where is located, etc. If you guys can keep this to specific parts of the TPU, then maybe we will understand more.

@forest

Regarding your post one more rings for the larger TPU, I don't know. It seems there is still only 6 total loops when you look at the cutaway photos. The 6 looped ring is simply of greater diameter.

About frequencies, yes, guys have done this on the forum for years. Look up Otto's ECD. In some of my coils I have found that if you pulse one frequency to find the resonance, then apply the second frequency at the same frequency minus 1 hertz and shift it's phasing by at least 6.84 degrees, you get real havoc and more voltage production.

But frequencies will depend on the power type AC square/sine, straight dc or pulsed dc or reverse pulsing dc, all of these will produce different effects.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #132 on: January 30, 2009, 11:18:10 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

sorry to jump in but in a TPU is a ring. But not an iron ring. Its a copper ring.

Maybe you can show me where  the cutaway photos are?

Otto

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #133 on: January 30, 2009, 06:11:59 PM »
@otto

Hope you are doing well.

First of all, don't ever be sorry for jumping in otto. We always like what you have to say and teach and reading between the lines. lol

Well,,,,, the FTPU ring could be either iron wire, copper wire or other wire, but to better understand this, unfortunately all types must be tested. The logic behind each wire type must be looked at until we can understand the best methods. Same for the LTPU.

Everything I have on all units, photos, diagrams etc., is now available to everyone on my ftp site which is located here http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/.

Just look in the Steven Mark sub directory to find the TPU type and go from there.

Any file with the word "cut" will be off the cutaway video. I kept one of my companies open just for OU stuff because I can then declare all my R&D expenses. Why not.

I wanted to make this ftp site so I could have an easy way of finding things when I am not at home and also to provide others with all the images, etc., in one convenient location and not have to search the Forum, which is getting to be more and more loaded with so many other things. You and Roberto are on there also. If there are things you would like me to remove, let me know. Or add, then send it to me at contactOU@purco.qc.ca. Remove the "OU" from the e-mail I just gave you.

So I am not saying it is iron wire, but "if" it is iron wire, what would be the dynamics.

One main or major thing about the TPUs is the builds are all made with coil winds that are not that precisely spaced. This indicates that they are all relying on a main principle of operation that has enough leeway to accommodate build variations as long as the main principle is adhered to, the device should work.

Another important note about the FTPU center toroid and the LTPU center toroids. They do not seem to have the same winds. On the FTPU the winds seem to be much more with a finer wire and many layers, so the toroid  in the FTPU could provide a point of high induction. In contrast to the LTPU toroids that have a set and clealy vissible limited number of winds that I have already drawn and identified.

Then the question is why would you have more winds in the FTPU and I think it is related to the fact that the FTPU outer winds could never provide the point of high induction because there is simply not enough wire there, whereas in the LTPU SM could be using the outer winds to also provide the high induction point while using the toroids as an output regulator since the LTPU toroids halves are in parallel and there are two of them to handle the higher voltages.

I could go on and on for pages.

Now regarding the FTPU I know now there is a small transistor that has three long thin legs and there are some capacitors (3) one beside the other, then there is the front EM capacitor and there is also another EM capacitor in the back. There is also a 1" long resistor or fuse resistor. 

If anyone is good with circuits, I would need a table of components that someone would require if they wanted to make a transistor oscillate at 5khz, 10khz, 15khz, 20khz, 2mhz, 5mhz, 10mhz and 20mhz. Based on a driving voltage of 3vdc. If anyone can give me the capacitor values required then I could look them up, see how they look in reality and compare them to what is in the FTPU. So you see, I have been trying to keep a certain level of methodology but my EE to do such a table is not good enough.

I know alot more today on the FTPU wiring and will make a new wiring diagram when time permits. But for now it is really looking, making and testing many variations. What else is possible to do in such circumstances? Those who are on this know of the many variables.

I also sent an e-mail to Jack Durban asking if he found his BETA video but have not received an answer from him. Booo hooo. That would have been great to have a better video copy.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #134 on: January 30, 2009, 08:47:57 PM »
Thankyou Wattsup for your work and sharing!!   So if we take a hf signal and inductively feed it to two chokes with different impedance matching but one is altered by the saturation parameters compared to the iinductance of the copper could we get some voltage between the two chokes that is unexpected.  Both chokes are setup to choke the ac input but one takes a little longer than the other.
    Spherics mentioned SM discovered this effect working with timing elements for his audio timing elements.  This anamolous spike could be captured by a capacitor.  I'm going back to square one on this deal and see if I can get the anamolous spike on my oscope messing with two identical torroidal chokes and changing one so that the copper in one is altered along with the core but still designed to choke the same frequency.